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"Resisting the urge to buy more WAM videos"
Love you, too
As a lot of you here probably know, it can get pretty addicting sometimes wanting to buy more WAM videos for your collection, which can get rather costly, so I'm curious to see how some of you control your urge to buy more WAM videos. And in case anyone is wondering, no, this post is not some sorta covert way for me to figure out how to deal with a "WAM video buying addiction" (that was really weird to type out 
), I'm just curious to see how fellow wamers chose what videos to buy and how to resist going crazy when buying WAM videos.
), I'm just curious to see how fellow wamers chose what videos to buy and how to resist going crazy when buying WAM videos.I am Sam Fisher - I am a Splinter Cell
It's the same as my other hobbies and interests. Rent and groceries are first priority. Adulting,bro!
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
I suppose jack off to something you've already got before shopping?
I already have everything that matches what I like so it's more a matter of wanting more content that I want to see in order to buy it.
When I see something I like I have to have it, so even if prices were much higher it wouldn't effect my purchasing decision, however for marginal scenes that are like a model I like but not my favorite mess / situation, it does make me not buy.
I've also had times where i see something is like 20 minutes long and 3 gigabytes, and that stops me.
I already have everything that matches what I like so it's more a matter of wanting more content that I want to see in order to buy it.
When I see something I like I have to have it, so even if prices were much higher it wouldn't effect my purchasing decision, however for marginal scenes that are like a model I like but not my favorite mess / situation, it does make me not buy.
I've also had times where i see something is like 20 minutes long and 3 gigabytes, and that stops me.
I apologize for nothing
I was so completely unable to resist buying that after I had everything that could be purchased within my genre at the time, I threw all the surplus sweat and treasure I had for the next 20+ years into creating and buying more. Yeah you can use some prudent discretion but someday you'll be dead and then what will you do? 
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
DuncanEdwards said: Yeah you can use some prudent discretion but someday you'll be dead and then what will you do?
Lets all hope that the afterlife is an amazingly beautiful place where we get to live out our WAM fantasies for the rest of our lives
I am Sam Fisher - I am a Splinter Cell
Randyrex said: Interesting. I'd actually be willing to spend a lot more money if there were more pie in the face videos available that checked most of my boxes. I've been purchasing pie videos for over 20 years and the last 3 are easily the leanest years I remember as far as availability of products I'm interested in. As it is I probably spend $1000 or so a month only to find myself instantly deleting 2/3 of the videos I buy.
I can't even manage to spend 1K a month even with spending on customs there aren't enough new models.
I apologize for nothing
Randyrex said: Interesting. I'd actually be willing to spend a lot more money if there were more pie in the face videos available that checked most of my boxes. I've been purchasing pie videos for over 20 years and the last 3 are easily the leanest years I remember as far as availability of products I'm interested in. As it is I probably spend $1000 or so a month only to find myself instantly deleting 2/3 of the videos I buy.
Is the issue that you haven't found the right model to do a custom? Or not enough pies? Or the pies are the wrong type?
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In my case it's by being incredibly fussy about a large range of things.
# Low-rise clothes? No sale.
# Filmed so we can't see below the waist? No sale.
# Obvious from preview that model doesn't get completely messy? No sale.
# Insufficient previews to tell what happens in a scene? No sale.
# PVC but then turns out to be a short dress instead of jeans or catsuit? No sale.
# Those horrid short "office" skirts that barely reach mid-thigh? No sale.
# Clothed-to-nude scene where it's obvious the model strips when parts of outfit are still clean? No sale.
# Horrible skimpy outfits, or claiming a bikini is "clothed"? No sale.
# Can't tell from previews if model gets fully messy or not? No sale.
# Model sitting on a chair with their legs crossed, ruining view of trunk/legs getting messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a nice top but just horrible-looking baggy shorts on lower half? No sale.
# Long top left hanging down blocking view of waist / upper trouser area? No sale.
# Those stockings-and-suspenders contraptions that were all the rage in 1970s British porn? No sale.
# Swimsuit filling scenes filmed with the model's crotch out of view? No sale.
# "Game" scenes where the previews don't show you which model got messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a boilersuit that's 8 sizes too big, and that they clearly aren't enjoying? No sale.
# Clothes cutting/ripping where the clothes are removed while still mostly clean? No sale.
# Any scene where the model(s) don't appear to be enjoying themselves? No sale.
# Any scene where the previews don't give enough information? No sale.
# Any scene that doesn't have clean and dry shots of the outfit(s) in the previews? No sale.
Despite that I've still managed to accumulate a fairly impressive collection, but basically a whole lot of things have to line up before I'll buy something, and even then there are scenes I'll never watch again. Part of why I became a producer in the first place is no-one else was shooting the scenes I wanted to see, and over the years I've also realised a lot of what could be good scenes are ruined by idiotic camera work. I once bought a scene where the previews looked reasonable but in reality it appeared to have been filmed by someone with St Vitus Dance, making it basically unwatchable. Then there are the people who'll frame a perfect shot - only to then either constantly jig the camera about (just stop!) or pointlessly zoom in and cut out all the money shots. In those cases I may buy once but am unlikely to retun.
Obviously this is very specific to my tastes, but in terms of not spending too much, taking time to have a good critical think about a scene before adding it to the basket, and then again before actually making the purchase, can reduce both spending and disappointment.
Sometimes though you see something and know it's right and you need to buy it. I've had that a few times recently with scenes featuring Rachel from Mostwam. Awesome high-waist outfits, sensibly filmed, no crossed legs, we can see her legs get messy, useful previews. Purchase, purchase, purchase!
# Low-rise clothes? No sale.
# Filmed so we can't see below the waist? No sale.
# Obvious from preview that model doesn't get completely messy? No sale.
# Insufficient previews to tell what happens in a scene? No sale.
# PVC but then turns out to be a short dress instead of jeans or catsuit? No sale.
# Those horrid short "office" skirts that barely reach mid-thigh? No sale.
# Clothed-to-nude scene where it's obvious the model strips when parts of outfit are still clean? No sale.
# Horrible skimpy outfits, or claiming a bikini is "clothed"? No sale.
# Can't tell from previews if model gets fully messy or not? No sale.
# Model sitting on a chair with their legs crossed, ruining view of trunk/legs getting messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a nice top but just horrible-looking baggy shorts on lower half? No sale.
# Long top left hanging down blocking view of waist / upper trouser area? No sale.
# Those stockings-and-suspenders contraptions that were all the rage in 1970s British porn? No sale.
# Swimsuit filling scenes filmed with the model's crotch out of view? No sale.
# "Game" scenes where the previews don't show you which model got messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a boilersuit that's 8 sizes too big, and that they clearly aren't enjoying? No sale.
# Clothes cutting/ripping where the clothes are removed while still mostly clean? No sale.
# Any scene where the model(s) don't appear to be enjoying themselves? No sale.
# Any scene where the previews don't give enough information? No sale.
# Any scene that doesn't have clean and dry shots of the outfit(s) in the previews? No sale.
Despite that I've still managed to accumulate a fairly impressive collection, but basically a whole lot of things have to line up before I'll buy something, and even then there are scenes I'll never watch again. Part of why I became a producer in the first place is no-one else was shooting the scenes I wanted to see, and over the years I've also realised a lot of what could be good scenes are ruined by idiotic camera work. I once bought a scene where the previews looked reasonable but in reality it appeared to have been filmed by someone with St Vitus Dance, making it basically unwatchable. Then there are the people who'll frame a perfect shot - only to then either constantly jig the camera about (just stop!) or pointlessly zoom in and cut out all the money shots. In those cases I may buy once but am unlikely to retun.
Obviously this is very specific to my tastes, but in terms of not spending too much, taking time to have a good critical think about a scene before adding it to the basket, and then again before actually making the purchase, can reduce both spending and disappointment.
Sometimes though you see something and know it's right and you need to buy it. I've had that a few times recently with scenes featuring Rachel from Mostwam. Awesome high-waist outfits, sensibly filmed, no crossed legs, we can see her legs get messy, useful previews. Purchase, purchase, purchase!
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
DungeonMasterOne said: In my case it's by being incredibly fussy about a large range of things.
# Low-rise clothes? No sale.
# Filmed so we can't see below the waist? No sale.
# Obvious from preview that model doesn't get completely messy? No sale.
# Insufficient previews to tell what happens in a scene? No sale.
# PVC but then turns out to be a short dress instead of jeans or catsuit? No sale.
# Those horrid short "office" skirts that barely reach mid-thigh? No sale.
# Clothed-to-nude scene where it's obvious the model strips when parts of outfit are still clean? No sale.
# Horrible skimpy outfits, or claiming a bikini is "clothed"? No sale.
# Can't tell from previews if model gets fully messy or not? No sale.
# Model sitting on a chair with their legs crossed, ruining view of trunk/legs getting messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a nice top but just horrible-looking baggy shorts on lower half? No sale.
# Long top left hanging down blocking view of waist / upper trouser area? No sale.
# Those stockings-and-suspenders contraptions that were all the rage in 1970s British porn? No sale.
# Swimsuit filling scenes filmed with the model's crotch out of view? No sale.
# "Game" scenes where the previews don't show you which model got messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a boilersuit that's 8 sizes too big, and that they clearly aren't enjoying? No sale.
# Clothes cutting/ripping where the clothes are removed while still mostly clean? No sale.
# Any scene where the model(s) don't appear to be enjoying themselves? No sale.
# Any scene where the previews don't give enough information? No sale.
# Any scene that doesn't have clean and dry shots of the outfit(s) in the previews? No sale.
Despite that I've still managed to accumulate a fairly impressive collection, but basically a whole lot of things have to line up before I'll buy something, and even then there are scenes I'll never watch again. Part of why I became a producer in the first place is no-one else was shooting the scenes I wanted to see, and over the years I've also realised a lot of what could be good scenes are ruined by idiotic camera work. I once bought a scene where the previews looked reasonable but in reality it appeared to have been filmed by someone with St Vitus Dance, making it basically unwatchable. Then there are the people who'll frame a perfect shot - only to then either constantly jig the camera about (just stop!) or pointlessly zoom in and cut out all the money shots. In those cases I may buy once but am unlikely to retun.
Obviously this is very specific to my tastes, but in terms of not spending too much, taking time to have a good critical think about a scene before adding it to the basket, and then again before actually making the purchase, can reduce both spending and disappointment.
Sometimes though you see something and know it's right and you need to buy it. I've had that a few times recently with scenes featuring Rachel from Mostwam. Awesome high-waist outfits, sensibly filmed, no crossed legs, we can see her legs get messy, useful previews. Purchase, purchase, purchase!
# Low-rise clothes? No sale.
# Filmed so we can't see below the waist? No sale.
# Obvious from preview that model doesn't get completely messy? No sale.
# Insufficient previews to tell what happens in a scene? No sale.
# PVC but then turns out to be a short dress instead of jeans or catsuit? No sale.
# Those horrid short "office" skirts that barely reach mid-thigh? No sale.
# Clothed-to-nude scene where it's obvious the model strips when parts of outfit are still clean? No sale.
# Horrible skimpy outfits, or claiming a bikini is "clothed"? No sale.
# Can't tell from previews if model gets fully messy or not? No sale.
# Model sitting on a chair with their legs crossed, ruining view of trunk/legs getting messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a nice top but just horrible-looking baggy shorts on lower half? No sale.
# Long top left hanging down blocking view of waist / upper trouser area? No sale.
# Those stockings-and-suspenders contraptions that were all the rage in 1970s British porn? No sale.
# Swimsuit filling scenes filmed with the model's crotch out of view? No sale.
# "Game" scenes where the previews don't show you which model got messy? No sale.
# Model wearing a boilersuit that's 8 sizes too big, and that they clearly aren't enjoying? No sale.
# Clothes cutting/ripping where the clothes are removed while still mostly clean? No sale.
# Any scene where the model(s) don't appear to be enjoying themselves? No sale.
# Any scene where the previews don't give enough information? No sale.
# Any scene that doesn't have clean and dry shots of the outfit(s) in the previews? No sale.
Despite that I've still managed to accumulate a fairly impressive collection, but basically a whole lot of things have to line up before I'll buy something, and even then there are scenes I'll never watch again. Part of why I became a producer in the first place is no-one else was shooting the scenes I wanted to see, and over the years I've also realised a lot of what could be good scenes are ruined by idiotic camera work. I once bought a scene where the previews looked reasonable but in reality it appeared to have been filmed by someone with St Vitus Dance, making it basically unwatchable. Then there are the people who'll frame a perfect shot - only to then either constantly jig the camera about (just stop!) or pointlessly zoom in and cut out all the money shots. In those cases I may buy once but am unlikely to retun.
Obviously this is very specific to my tastes, but in terms of not spending too much, taking time to have a good critical think about a scene before adding it to the basket, and then again before actually making the purchase, can reduce both spending and disappointment.
Sometimes though you see something and know it's right and you need to buy it. I've had that a few times recently with scenes featuring Rachel from Mostwam. Awesome high-waist outfits, sensibly filmed, no crossed legs, we can see her legs get messy, useful previews. Purchase, purchase, purchase!
DungeonMasterOne: I was confused by your list. Are these things you wanted but couldn't find or things you have produced that didn't sell?
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Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
JasonPinaster said:
DungeonMasterOne: I was confused by your list. Are these things you wanted but couldn't find or things you have produced that didn't sell?
DungeonMasterOne said: In my case it's by being incredibly fussy about a large range of things.
DungeonMasterOne: I was confused by your list. Are these things you wanted but couldn't find or things you have produced that didn't sell?
Neither, these are things that other producers have done over the years that guarentee I will *not* buy those scenes. I hate low rise outfits, not being able to see the model's lower trunk and legs get messy, etc. The OP question was how to control spending on scenes, I'm suggesting being very, very critical before purchasing. Everyone will have their own list - but the trick is to check and double-check you really want something, and that as far as you can tell it will deliver, before buying. This is why I've always provided plentiful previews with my own scenes, I want people to know what they're getting, and that it's been well filmed.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
Buying individual scenes is so old fashioned, streaming is much better value for money in my opinion. 
The struggle is real. I have close to 20 years worth of stuff I've been collecting...and you'd think that would be enough, but it's just like anything else in life (movies, music, comics, books, art), while I love going back and seeing the older stuff, I want to see more new stuff too. I try to limit myself, to a couple videos/photo sets a month, I'd probably go crazier buying more if it wasn't for my art addiction...I spend waaaaaaaay more on art...I'd be more interested on how I could stop that urge. So I guess my solution is to find another "addiction" to spend your money on so you have less money to spend on WAM videos?
#DontLookUp
Twenty years ago, there were only a handful of producers PERIOD, most of whom only released a single video every couple months, with only a relative few even specializing in a "single" type of WAM.
If you found even one video that checked a couple boxes, you bought it, and got past the elements that weren't your personal cup of tea.
Now that the amount of producers has exploded 100 times over, customers have a near limitless range of options for models, mess, and scenarios.... But ironically, the end result has made customers more choosy and (sometimes) more frustrated than ever. And elements that would've easily been overlooked 20 years ago now result in a "no sale." (I speak from personal experience as well.)
Sometimes, too much choice can be paralyzing.... plus, it's very easy to get spoiled when there's "too much" content. To put it another way: I had more personal attachment to the music of my youth, when I only listened to the handful of albums I could borrow or purchase with my limited funds, than now, when I can instantly access every song ever recorded with one keystroke.
If you found even one video that checked a couple boxes, you bought it, and got past the elements that weren't your personal cup of tea.
Now that the amount of producers has exploded 100 times over, customers have a near limitless range of options for models, mess, and scenarios.... But ironically, the end result has made customers more choosy and (sometimes) more frustrated than ever. And elements that would've easily been overlooked 20 years ago now result in a "no sale." (I speak from personal experience as well.)
Sometimes, too much choice can be paralyzing.... plus, it's very easy to get spoiled when there's "too much" content. To put it another way: I had more personal attachment to the music of my youth, when I only listened to the handful of albums I could borrow or purchase with my limited funds, than now, when I can instantly access every song ever recorded with one keystroke.
As with any sort of spending, I control it by setting a budget (easy part) and sticking to it (not so easy part).
Spending also depends upon your tastes and what's available.
Spending also depends upon your tastes and what's available.
Shiny-Lycra said: Buying individual scenes is so old fashioned, streaming is much better value for money in my opinion.
Yeah, if you buy lots of individual scenes from a particular producer then a flat rate for streaming makes it easier to budget. You might have to wait a while for a particular scene to appear, but I'm ok with that.
(Going a bit off-topic, there's a similar thing for digital comics. I buy some comics through Comixology on a "pick and mix" basis, but I pay an annual subscription to Marvel Unlimited which gives me all new issues on a 6 month timelag, as well as their back catalogue.)
Haven't seen a good pie video that appeals to me personally for a while to be honest so haven't felt the need to purchase, although might get that Jayce POV one released today as I love POV and they are rare.
Have found myself trawling for old videos I might have missed from obscure producers, I even reverse searched Clips4sale and that site is terrible to navigate.
To be fair, with Covid and lockdowns the supply of new producers and models have dried up also so its not suprising. Hoping to see things pick up later in the year.
In terms of the question, the urge to buy more, I find this goes in waves, I can happily trawl my massive collection for months and then if I'm bored I might buy a lot in a short spell.
Have found myself trawling for old videos I might have missed from obscure producers, I even reverse searched Clips4sale and that site is terrible to navigate.
To be fair, with Covid and lockdowns the supply of new producers and models have dried up also so its not suprising. Hoping to see things pick up later in the year.
In terms of the question, the urge to buy more, I find this goes in waves, I can happily trawl my massive collection for months and then if I'm bored I might buy a lot in a short spell.
Shiny-Lycra said: Buying individual scenes is so old fashioned, streaming is much better value for money in my opinion.
Unfortunately for you many of the scenes out there were produced with a cost structure that won't support streaming and making money at the same time. Streaming may be the next wave but it's going to be a while before everyone is set up to make money with it.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
HappyCamper said: It's the same as my other hobbies and interests. Rent and groceries are first priority. Adulting,bro!
Basically this. Be mindful of your spending. Set a budget and stick to it. Have fun money aside that you can use for stuff like this.
Then the hard part. Figuring out what to get.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
Stealthman said: so I'm curious to see how some of you control your urge to buy more WAM videos.
By filming my own...
Wait... you said,
Stealthman said: buy more WAM videos for your collection, which can get rather costly.
Noo this hasn't reduced costs in the slightest!!
[Insert witty comment here]
Jeremy Custard said:
By filming my own...
Wait... you said,
Noo this hasn't reduced costs in the slightest!!
Stealthman said: so I'm curious to see how some of you control your urge to buy more WAM videos.
By filming my own...
Wait... you said,
Stealthman said: buy more WAM videos for your collection, which can get rather costly.
Noo this hasn't reduced costs in the slightest!!
Ditto! Although I've found selling them on takes care of that.
DungeonMasterOne said: In my case it's by being incredibly fussy about a large range of things
Ditto again. I won't list my preferences but, again, there are relatively few new releases that do much for me. But when I do find one the most frequently disappointing aspect is the camera work. Excessive movement, unnecessary, extreme close ups at the wrong moment. Mount it on a tripod in an optimum position.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
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Richard Trouso said: But when I do find one the most frequently disappointing aspect is the camera work. Excessive movement, unnecessary, extreme close ups at the wrong moment. Mount it on a tripod in an optimum position.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
You and I agree on this! I remember one video in particular, from a long-gone producer, where the girl got an excellent hit.... and the handheld camera panned DOWN her body at the moment of impact, completely missing the "money shot" altogether.
I think I'm still an anomaly among producers, as I run THREE separate cameras, all mounted on tripods, and I've been doing this since.... [checks calendar] 2005?!? [long aging sigh]
ANYWAY. Is three cameras overkill? Maybe. Do I use that wide-angle, "fly on the wall" camera more than 5% in any final edit? Probably not. BUT there's always certain models, or certain scenes, or even certain MOMENTS within scenes.... where I'm really glad I have that wide angle running. [Lots of Toshia scenes come to mind. Something about her legs and the heels she wore.....]
And while it hasn't happened in many years (knock on wood), I used to have occasional mishaps where one camera didn't record certain footage, for whatever reason.... But I could always "cover" with the other two. That's a lot trickier with just 2 cameras, and of course, you're absolutely screwed if ANYTHING goes wrong with a single cam.
I do occasional handheld, but only for short sections, and usually just to provide a "straight on" closeup of a particular pratfall gag.... or to give the audience a bird's eye view of what I'm seeing after a particularly good sliming. But 99% of the time, keeping the model centered in the frame with multiple cameras locked on tripods is all you need.
SStuff said:
You and I agree on this! I remember one video in particular, from a long-gone producer, where the girl got an excellent hit.... and the handheld camera panned DOWN her body at the moment of impact, completely missing the "money shot" altogether.
I think I'm still an anomaly among producers, as I run THREE separate cameras, all mounted on tripods, and I've been doing this since.... [checks calendar] 2005?!? [long aging sigh]
ANYWAY. Is three cameras overkill? Maybe. Do I use that wide-angle, "fly on the wall" camera more than 5% in any final edit? Probably not. BUT there's always certain models, or certain scenes, or even certain MOMENTS within scenes.... where I'm really glad I have that wide angle running. [Lots of Toshia scenes come to mind. Something about her legs and the heels she wore.....]
And while it hasn't happened in many years (knock on wood), I used to have occasional mishaps where one camera didn't record certain footage, for whatever reason.... But I could always "cover" with the other two. That's a lot trickier with just 2 cameras, and of course, you're absolutely screwed if ANYTHING goes wrong with a single cam.
I do occasional handheld, but only for short sections, and usually just to provide a "straight on" closeup of a particular pratfall gag.... or to give the audience a bird's eye view of what I'm seeing after a particularly good sliming. But 99% of the time, keeping the model centered in the frame with multiple cameras locked on tripods is all you need.
Richard Trouso said: But when I do find one the most frequently disappointing aspect is the camera work. Excessive movement, unnecessary, extreme close ups at the wrong moment. Mount it on a tripod in an optimum position.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
You and I agree on this! I remember one video in particular, from a long-gone producer, where the girl got an excellent hit.... and the handheld camera panned DOWN her body at the moment of impact, completely missing the "money shot" altogether.
I think I'm still an anomaly among producers, as I run THREE separate cameras, all mounted on tripods, and I've been doing this since.... [checks calendar] 2005?!? [long aging sigh]
ANYWAY. Is three cameras overkill? Maybe. Do I use that wide-angle, "fly on the wall" camera more than 5% in any final edit? Probably not. BUT there's always certain models, or certain scenes, or even certain MOMENTS within scenes.... where I'm really glad I have that wide angle running. [Lots of Toshia scenes come to mind. Something about her legs and the heels she wore.....]
And while it hasn't happened in many years (knock on wood), I used to have occasional mishaps where one camera didn't record certain footage, for whatever reason.... But I could always "cover" with the other two. That's a lot trickier with just 2 cameras, and of course, you're absolutely screwed if ANYTHING goes wrong with a single cam.
I do occasional handheld, but only for short sections, and usually just to provide a "straight on" closeup of a particular pratfall gag.... or to give the audience a bird's eye view of what I'm seeing after a particularly good sliming. But 99% of the time, keeping the model centered in the frame with multiple cameras locked on tripods is all you need.
As a buyer of multiple videos, including the greatness of Rich, as well as Ariel, Jayce, Bill Shipton, Rob Blaine, etc..., I can't agree with Rich more about the wide angle aspect. I never understand why a lot of producers cut off a shoot at the ankles. Messing up the legs and feet can be just as sexy as a shot to the boobs.
SStuff said:
You and I agree on this! I remember one video in particular, from a long-gone producer, where the girl got an excellent hit.... and the handheld camera panned DOWN her body at the moment of impact, completely missing the "money shot" altogether.
I think I'm still an anomaly among producers, as I run THREE separate cameras, all mounted on tripods, and I've been doing this since.... [checks calendar] 2005?!? [long aging sigh]
ANYWAY. Is three cameras overkill? Maybe. Do I use that wide-angle, "fly on the wall" camera more than 5% in any final edit? Probably not. BUT there's always certain models, or certain scenes, or even certain MOMENTS within scenes.... where I'm really glad I have that wide angle running. [Lots of Toshia scenes come to mind. Something about her legs and the heels she wore.....]
And while it hasn't happened in many years (knock on wood), I used to have occasional mishaps where one camera didn't record certain footage, for whatever reason.... But I could always "cover" with the other two. That's a lot trickier with just 2 cameras, and of course, you're absolutely screwed if ANYTHING goes wrong with a single cam.
I do occasional handheld, but only for short sections, and usually just to provide a "straight on" closeup of a particular pratfall gag.... or to give the audience a bird's eye view of what I'm seeing after a particularly good sliming. But 99% of the time, keeping the model centered in the frame with multiple cameras locked on tripods is all you need.
Richard Trouso said: But when I do find one the most frequently disappointing aspect is the camera work. Excessive movement, unnecessary, extreme close ups at the wrong moment. Mount it on a tripod in an optimum position.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
The camera is an observer, not a probe!
A single hand held camera rarely cuts the mustard. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an exception to this. I always have a static second camera to cut to if I inadvertently miss something or I make a bad move.
You and I agree on this! I remember one video in particular, from a long-gone producer, where the girl got an excellent hit.... and the handheld camera panned DOWN her body at the moment of impact, completely missing the "money shot" altogether.
I think I'm still an anomaly among producers, as I run THREE separate cameras, all mounted on tripods, and I've been doing this since.... [checks calendar] 2005?!? [long aging sigh]
ANYWAY. Is three cameras overkill? Maybe. Do I use that wide-angle, "fly on the wall" camera more than 5% in any final edit? Probably not. BUT there's always certain models, or certain scenes, or even certain MOMENTS within scenes.... where I'm really glad I have that wide angle running. [Lots of Toshia scenes come to mind. Something about her legs and the heels she wore.....]
And while it hasn't happened in many years (knock on wood), I used to have occasional mishaps where one camera didn't record certain footage, for whatever reason.... But I could always "cover" with the other two. That's a lot trickier with just 2 cameras, and of course, you're absolutely screwed if ANYTHING goes wrong with a single cam.
I do occasional handheld, but only for short sections, and usually just to provide a "straight on" closeup of a particular pratfall gag.... or to give the audience a bird's eye view of what I'm seeing after a particularly good sliming. But 99% of the time, keeping the model centered in the frame with multiple cameras locked on tripods is all you need.
I regret not doing so now but I was going to mention you by name, Rich, as an example of how to do it RIGHT for having mainly tripod mounted cameras. Many producers who should know better could take a leaf out of your book. It's not that they shouldn't be used, but it's so easy to inadvertently miss something. With WAM: you only get one shot and it's gone. Forever.
Noise is a notable exception on handheld camera as someone who is particularly competent at manoeuvring an action shot - but that's going back.
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