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"Punishment WAM"
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Not sure if this counts but I like WAM as comeuppance (e.g. Main protagonist, snooty or annoying person falls in mud) and also as forfeits for losing a game.
Not really into it as Dom or discipline.
Not really into it as Dom or discipline.
Personally, I just enjoy seeing ladies covered in substances. Mud, of course, being my favorite.
For me, bound, gagged, tied up, doom, tend to be more of a turn off. I do know that everyone has their own likes and dislikes. I am not knocking those who do like that type of stuff.
I enjoy it more when the model seems to be enjoying it too; I do also enjoy seeing a model struggling to get out of a pit.
For me, bound, gagged, tied up, doom, tend to be more of a turn off. I do know that everyone has their own likes and dislikes. I am not knocking those who do like that type of stuff.
I enjoy it more when the model seems to be enjoying it too; I do also enjoy seeing a model struggling to get out of a pit.
Only two. That's all. Just two.
Silver_sea said: Not sure if this counts but I like WAM as comeuppance (e.g. Main protagonist, snooty or annoying person falls in mud) and also as forfeits for losing a game.
Not really into it as Dom or discipline.
Not really into it as Dom or discipline.
That's a punishment of sorts -- that'll do for me
Depends on the situation. I do like WAM as a punishment. I actually have plans with a lady friend soon. We have a favorite AirBnB we like to stay at to get away from everything. It's far enough away from anyone else (and a good refuge from coronavirus) that you can do whatever you want without anyone hearing or seeing you. She has a few "kinks" she's into (mainly BDSM) and a few she just wants to try. I'm currently collecting "games" to combine her BDSM kink with my WAM fetish, and you can bet pies and slime will be punishments for her and rewards for myself! 
I have a very odd relationship with the idea of WAM as a punishment! On the one hand, my absolute favourite form of WAM is stuff that is unpleasant and humiliating in a genuine, not over-the-top performed sense. Whether that's as a punishment or "just because" I don't mind too much (though my favourite is probably "I'm going to make you suffer just because I enjoy it"), On the other hand, I like WAM! In and of itself, it's not humiliating to be messy for me - I love it, so it's absolutely not a punishment for me (and I don't particularly go for "funishment"). Even the feelings of humiliation - if they're what I want, how much of a punishment can it really be?
Miss Abigail said: I have a very odd relationship with the idea of WAM as a punishment! On the one hand, my absolute favourite form of WAM is stuff that is unpleasant and humiliating in a genuine, not over-the-top performed sense. Whether that's as a punishment or "just because" I don't mind too much (though my favourite is probably "I'm going to make you suffer just because I enjoy it"), On the other hand, I like WAM! In and of itself, it's not humiliating to be messy for me - I love it, so it's absolutely not a punishment for me (and I don't particularly go for "funishment"). Even the feelings of humiliation - if they're what I want, how much of a punishment can it really be?
I am similar to you in some ways. I love it when someone messes me up in a dominant way i.e. they are enjoying it regardless of how I'm reacting. And it's always the same when I get messy, I try my hardest to stay clean, borderline beg for them not to mess me up but love it when it happens. Great mix of 'urgh' and 'Mmmm'.
I don't know if you really call it punishment but it's CRITICAL for me that it be unpleasant or unwanted, and that it be applied by someone or something else such that the messy victim isn't in control of when the mess will hit her. This really comes through for me in messy game shows where slimings were triggered by specific words or actions, or wrong answers. If you consider that being punished with slime for saying "I don't know" or performing the secret slime action, then sure, punishment is a necessity. But I don't know if punishment is the right word for that.
RyKahn610 said: I don't know if you really call it punishment but it's CRITICAL for me that it be unpleasant or unwanted, and that it be applied by someone or something else such that the messy victim isn't in control of when the mess will hit her. This really comes through for me in messy game shows where slimings were triggered by specific words or actions, or wrong answers. If you consider that being punished with slime for saying "I don't know" or performing the secret slime action, then sure, punishment is a necessity. But I don't know if punishment is the right word for that.
I agree with several of the above.
I don't truly see it as a punishment to say to a woman I want to make you disgustingly filthy.
I want the ' victim' to be willing to be messed up , even if it is my fetish, and not theirs.
I would never use WAM as either a punishment or a reward in a relationship.
I see it as a reward for the person doing the messing., Rather than a punishment for the victim.
Having said that, in a WAM situation, a lot of the enjoyment for me is that the woman who is the ' victim' should be messed up in a way that appears to be unpleasant for her or unwanted. The victim should not be in control of her fate.
The person administering the wam should always be in control by choosing what substances and how much are used. The humiliation of the victim is important.
They should go from looking beautiful to a total wreck. So starting in a pretty dress or similar is important. The worse or more uncomfortable they end, the better.
That is why I like Freddy Blatts treatment of his wife.
She goes from clean to being deluged in mess. It is a turn on that she says that she hates the mess. But allows her husband to do it to her again and again. Not him punishing her, rather her submitting to him and his desire to gunge her.
I like a story or reason who the mess is being applied.
That could be a game situation. I enjoy when the victim just sits there and takes it.
For me the inevitability of a situation is important and I enjoy the humiliation aspect.
The victim cannot stop the messing up when it has started. This could be they are resigned to their fate and just let it happen. Or due to light bondage they cannot escape.
I like situations where I end thinking " most women would not be prepared to allow themselves to get that messy". That is why more mature victims do it for me.
The phrase " they are old enough to know better". That is to say they totally lose their ' dignity'. I
I enjjoy the use of substances such as treacle or paint, where I can think ' no woman would want to end up like that."
getemdown said:
I agree with several of the above.
I don't truly see it as a punishment to say to a woman I want to make you disgustingly filthy.
I want the ' victim' to be willing to be messed up , even if it is my fetish, and not theirs.
I would never use WAM as either a punishment or a reward in a relationship.
I see it as a reward for the person doing the messing., Rather than a punishment for the victim.
Having said that, in a WAM situation, a lot of the enjoyment for me is that the woman who is the ' victim' should be messed up in a way that appears to be unpleasant for her or unwanted. The victim should not be in control of her fate.
The person administering the wam should always be in control by choosing what substances and how much are used. The humiliation of the victim is important.
They should go from looking beautiful to a total wreck. So starting in a pretty dress or similar is important. The worse or more uncomfortable they end, the better.
That is why I like Freddy Blatts treatment of his wife.
She goes from clean to being deluged in mess. It is a turn on that she says that she hates the mess. But allows her husband to do it to her again and again. Not him punishing her, rather her submitting to him and his desire to gunge her.
I like a story or reason who the mess is being applied.
That could be a game situation. I enjoy when the victim just sits there and takes it.
For me the inevitability of a situation is important and I enjoy the humiliation aspect.
The victim cannot stop the messing up when it has started. This could be they are resigned to their fate and just let it happen. Or due to light bondage they cannot escape.
I like situations where I end thinking " most women would not be prepared to allow themselves to get that messy". That is why more mature victims do it for me.
The phrase " they are old enough to know better". That is to say they totally lose their ' dignity'. I
I enjjoy the use of substances such as treacle or paint, where I can think ' no woman would want to end up like that."
RyKahn610 said: I don't know if you really call it punishment but it's CRITICAL for me that it be unpleasant or unwanted, and that it be applied by someone or something else such that the messy victim isn't in control of when the mess will hit her. This really comes through for me in messy game shows where slimings were triggered by specific words or actions, or wrong answers. If you consider that being punished with slime for saying "I don't know" or performing the secret slime action, then sure, punishment is a necessity. But I don't know if punishment is the right word for that.
I agree with several of the above.
I don't truly see it as a punishment to say to a woman I want to make you disgustingly filthy.
I want the ' victim' to be willing to be messed up , even if it is my fetish, and not theirs.
I would never use WAM as either a punishment or a reward in a relationship.
I see it as a reward for the person doing the messing., Rather than a punishment for the victim.
Having said that, in a WAM situation, a lot of the enjoyment for me is that the woman who is the ' victim' should be messed up in a way that appears to be unpleasant for her or unwanted. The victim should not be in control of her fate.
The person administering the wam should always be in control by choosing what substances and how much are used. The humiliation of the victim is important.
They should go from looking beautiful to a total wreck. So starting in a pretty dress or similar is important. The worse or more uncomfortable they end, the better.
That is why I like Freddy Blatts treatment of his wife.
She goes from clean to being deluged in mess. It is a turn on that she says that she hates the mess. But allows her husband to do it to her again and again. Not him punishing her, rather her submitting to him and his desire to gunge her.
I like a story or reason who the mess is being applied.
That could be a game situation. I enjoy when the victim just sits there and takes it.
For me the inevitability of a situation is important and I enjoy the humiliation aspect.
The victim cannot stop the messing up when it has started. This could be they are resigned to their fate and just let it happen. Or due to light bondage they cannot escape.
I like situations where I end thinking " most women would not be prepared to allow themselves to get that messy". That is why more mature victims do it for me.
The phrase " they are old enough to know better". That is to say they totally lose their ' dignity'. I
I enjjoy the use of substances such as treacle or paint, where I can think ' no woman would want to end up like that."
Just to clarify: the punishment delivered would of course be consensual. That said, those points about humiliation, ceding of control, submission, and loss of dignity go right to the heart of the question.
Perhaps the link here between punishment and WAM lies in the inevitability of both? Just as the punishment ineluctably follows a transgression and, once commenced, must be followed through to the very end, so the first pie in the face unleashes a train of messy destruction that, via larger and larger amounts of increasingly disgusting gunge, culminates in the complete trashing of the "victim"?
Absolutely I do. It's really the only WAM I enjoy.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process
, and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all ..
Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process
, and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all .. Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
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RyKahn610 said: I don't know if you really call it punishment but it's CRITICAL for me that it be unpleasant or unwanted, and that it be applied by someone or something else such that the messy victim isn't in control of when the mess will hit her. This really comes through for me in messy game shows where slimings were triggered by specific words or actions, or wrong answers. If you consider that being punished with slime for saying "I don't know" or performing the secret slime action, then sure, punishment is a necessity. But I don't know if punishment is the right word for that.
This is why I don't need any girl to get hit with 20 pies. For me, it's about the unexpected pie hit,or unwanted hit.
That means the first or second pie hit is 99% of the game for me. After that, it's expected and there's zero added enjoyment from the 13th hit to the 14th hit.
johnnypie said:
This is why I don't need any girl to get hit with 20 pies. For me, it's about the unexpected pie hit,or unwanted hit.
That means the first or second pie hit is 99% of the game for me. After that, it's expected and there's zero added enjoyment from the 13th hit to the 14th hit.
RyKahn610 said: I don't know if you really call it punishment but it's CRITICAL for me that it be unpleasant or unwanted, and that it be applied by someone or something else such that the messy victim isn't in control of when the mess will hit her. This really comes through for me in messy game shows where slimings were triggered by specific words or actions, or wrong answers. If you consider that being punished with slime for saying "I don't know" or performing the secret slime action, then sure, punishment is a necessity. But I don't know if punishment is the right word for that.
This is why I don't need any girl to get hit with 20 pies. For me, it's about the unexpected pie hit,or unwanted hit.
That means the first or second pie hit is 99% of the game for me. After that, it's expected and there's zero added enjoyment from the 13th hit to the 14th hit.
We all differ in our preferences.
I must say i do NOT agree with Jonnypie on this. One or two pies are not enough.
My views are much closer to other comments that the issue is about humiliation, ceding of control, submission, and loss of dignity.
As Ooops said - The first pie in the face must unleash a train of messy destruction that, via larger and larger amounts of increasingly DISGUSTING gunge, culminates in the complete TRASHING of the "victim"?
The cleaner, prettier and better dressed a girl starts the better for me.
PROVIDED she (consensualy) ends up totally destroyed. The filthier the better.
RevSlymsford said: Absolutely I do. It's really the only WAM I enjoy.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process , and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all ..
Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process
, and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all .. Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
Thanks very much for this insightful and in a way reassuring response. I couldn't agree more about the delicious scenario of "office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process" -- so well reflected in your own work. Office outfits are positively designed, one might almost think, with WAM punishment in mind -- the blouse to show off the cleavage over which the custard will be poured, the tight skirt to be lifted to reveal the saucy lingerie as she bends over to have her bottom thoroughly covered with pies -- and the pettiness of office rules and regulations are a paradise for HR officers desperate to exercise their WAM-punitive powers
A shame, then, about those sales stats -- at least it suggests my poll is scientifically accurate (
) and I hope you'll still find time to produce some more WAM punishment clips 
This is a really interesting thread, pretty much everyone has mentioned something that I like and then gone on to say they like something that I don't!
For me watching a scene: I hate humiliation and embarrassment, also 'disgust' is a massive no-no, the substances have to be 'nice' (? for want of a better word!).
I like that the model doesn't 'want' to be made a mess of, but is laughing, trying to get out of the situation and enjoys it (in a 'yuck' kind of way) when it happens. Scarlet here is perfect at this https://umd.net/forums/custard-corner-scarlet
She can NOT be in control of the mess, it must be activated by someone else (pied, pulled lever etc)
Punishment/comeuppance is only good for me in a film or TV scene as it feels staged in a porn scene. Forfeit games are good though as there is uncertainty and the models are trying to get out of it.
This mirrors what I like when I get messy, I like for the woman to mess me up either playful Dom or through games (that are rigged to be harder for me to win). I like the "punishment" of getting messy, but only if it's 'fair' and the woman is having fun getting me messy (hell she can stay clean if she wants!)
I guess I live vicariously through the model as I don't like the idea of getting messy but love it being done (build up-release effect). Hate being humiliated/embarrassed and certainly don't want to be disgusted by the whole event.
For me watching a scene: I hate humiliation and embarrassment, also 'disgust' is a massive no-no, the substances have to be 'nice' (? for want of a better word!).
I like that the model doesn't 'want' to be made a mess of, but is laughing, trying to get out of the situation and enjoys it (in a 'yuck' kind of way) when it happens. Scarlet here is perfect at this https://umd.net/forums/custard-corner-scarlet
She can NOT be in control of the mess, it must be activated by someone else (pied, pulled lever etc)
Punishment/comeuppance is only good for me in a film or TV scene as it feels staged in a porn scene. Forfeit games are good though as there is uncertainty and the models are trying to get out of it.
This mirrors what I like when I get messy, I like for the woman to mess me up either playful Dom or through games (that are rigged to be harder for me to win). I like the "punishment" of getting messy, but only if it's 'fair' and the woman is having fun getting me messy (hell she can stay clean if she wants!)
I guess I live vicariously through the model as I don't like the idea of getting messy but love it being done (build up-release effect). Hate being humiliated/embarrassed and certainly don't want to be disgusted by the whole event.
Oops said:
Thanks very much for this insightful and in a way reassuring response. I couldn't agree more about the delicious scenario of "office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process" -- so well reflected in your own work. Office outfits are positively designed, one might almost think, with WAM punishment in mind -- the blouse to show off the cleavage over which the custard will be poured, the tight skirt to be lifted to reveal the saucy lingerie as she bends over to have her bottom thoroughly covered with pies -- and the pettiness of office rules and regulations are a paradise for HR officers desperate to exercise their WAM-punitive powers
A shame, then, about those sales stats -- at least it suggests my poll is scientifically accurate () and I hope you'll still find time to produce some more WAM punishment clips
RevSlymsford said: Absolutely I do. It's really the only WAM I enjoy.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process , and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all ..
Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process
, and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all .. Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
Thanks very much for this insightful and in a way reassuring response. I couldn't agree more about the delicious scenario of "office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process" -- so well reflected in your own work. Office outfits are positively designed, one might almost think, with WAM punishment in mind -- the blouse to show off the cleavage over which the custard will be poured, the tight skirt to be lifted to reveal the saucy lingerie as she bends over to have her bottom thoroughly covered with pies -- and the pettiness of office rules and regulations are a paradise for HR officers desperate to exercise their WAM-punitive powers
A shame, then, about those sales stats -- at least it suggests my poll is scientifically accurate (
) and I hope you'll still find time to produce some more WAM punishment clips Absolutely! And how we love those endless petty rules and regulations, and how they trip up the poor girls, especially when they are meant to be meeting a new boyfriend straight from work and have had their hair and makeup done especially!
Incidentally, I trust you would agree that it also works as a great disciplinary method of punishment, in the home environment too. A mother stuck with adult daughters who won't leave the nest, has to enforce the rules somehow, and if they're too old for a spanking, then WAM is perfect. Of course if she turns out to have broken those same rules, then what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
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RevSlymsford said:
Absolutely! And how we love those endless petty rules and regulations, and how they trip up the poor girls, especially when they are meant to be meeting a new boyfriend straight from work and have had their hair and makeup done especially!
Incidentally, I trust you would agree that it also works as a great disciplinary method of punishment, in the home environment too. A mother stuck with adult daughters who won't leave the nest, has to enforce the rules somehow, and if they're too old for a spanking, then WAM is perfect. Of course if she turns out to have broken those same rules, then what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Oops said:
Thanks very much for this insightful and in a way reassuring response. I couldn't agree more about the delicious scenario of "office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process" -- so well reflected in your own work. Office outfits are positively designed, one might almost think, with WAM punishment in mind -- the blouse to show off the cleavage over which the custard will be poured, the tight skirt to be lifted to reveal the saucy lingerie as she bends over to have her bottom thoroughly covered with pies -- and the pettiness of office rules and regulations are a paradise for HR officers desperate to exercise their WAM-punitive powers
A shame, then, about those sales stats -- at least it suggests my poll is scientifically accurate () and I hope you'll still find time to produce some more WAM punishment clips
RevSlymsford said: Absolutely I do. It's really the only WAM I enjoy.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process , and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all ..
Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
The WAM that works for me is almost always WAM as a punishment and is almost interchangeable with the spanking fetish, in that the person acting the role of 'victim' roleplays her humiliation, and embarrassment and loss of dignity, just like in a good spanking scene.
Before I did this for a living, roughly 95% of my scenes were about office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process
, and even now, when sales figures should have taught me I should plough very different furrows, I still can't resist making loads of those scenes and then weeping slowly as they sell about half as many as scenes I make which have no interest to me at all .. Yes.. Punishment WAM is the bees knees for me. I get the impression we come at this from a very similar angle, Oops
ps: This is one poll where the results DO seem to reflect my experience with sales, with two thirds of people saying this is either not at all, or not very important in their WAM.
Thanks very much for this insightful and in a way reassuring response. I couldn't agree more about the delicious scenario of "office girls breaking rules and being wammed as punishment / part of the disciplinary process" -- so well reflected in your own work. Office outfits are positively designed, one might almost think, with WAM punishment in mind -- the blouse to show off the cleavage over which the custard will be poured, the tight skirt to be lifted to reveal the saucy lingerie as she bends over to have her bottom thoroughly covered with pies -- and the pettiness of office rules and regulations are a paradise for HR officers desperate to exercise their WAM-punitive powers
A shame, then, about those sales stats -- at least it suggests my poll is scientifically accurate (
) and I hope you'll still find time to produce some more WAM punishment clips Absolutely! And how we love those endless petty rules and regulations, and how they trip up the poor girls, especially when they are meant to be meeting a new boyfriend straight from work and have had their hair and makeup done especially!
Incidentally, I trust you would agree that it also works as a great disciplinary method of punishment, in the home environment too. A mother stuck with adult daughters who won't leave the nest, has to enforce the rules somehow, and if they're too old for a spanking, then WAM is perfect. Of course if she turns out to have broken those same rules, then what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
It's true that WAM as a punishment works well in a domestic environment too, although can it ever be said that an adult daughter is too old for a spanking ..?
and why use WAM as an alternative to CP, when both -- a well-reddened bottom and a good thorough gunging -- would help drive home the same message? Now what would be the best sauce for the goose (and indeed -- you're so right -- the gander)? Tomato sauce ... brown sauce ... chocolate sauce ... then again, why not all of them, just to make sure?
Final point: a nice observation that the office girl receives a good trashing prior to the hot date with the new boyfriend. Hairdo, makeup, and that little new dress: all unforgivingly destroyed.
(Apart from their remarkable physical fortitude, top marks to those models who get into the right mindset to allow their gorgeous selves to undergo this sort of treatment before the camera -- they truly suffer for their art! )Miss Abigail said: I have a very odd relationship with the idea of WAM as a punishment! On the one hand, my absolute favourite form of WAM is stuff that is unpleasant and humiliating in a genuine, not over-the-top performed sense. Whether that's as a punishment or "just because" I don't mind too much (though my favourite is probably "I'm going to make you suffer just because I enjoy it"), On the other hand, I like WAM! In and of itself, it's not humiliating to be messy for me - I love it, so it's absolutely not a punishment for me (and I don't particularly go for "funishment"). Even the feelings of humiliation - if they're what I want, how much of a punishment can it really be?
I think that, for the purposes of this discussion, we can count stuff that is unpleasant and humiliating in a "genuine" sense as punishment WAM. After all, you can recognize the need for punishment and in this way "want" it too. But your answer highlights the tricky issue of what it means to want discipline / punishment / humiliation / being trashed and destroyed by pies / gunge / mess.
Humiliation is, after all, a form of -- or part of -- punishment.
Humiliation may not even be the correct word, for what I enjoy seeing.
I want the woman who is to get messed to AGREE to get messy.
The humiliation I like is PERCEIVED humiliation.
A sort of "I don't believe any respectable woman would allow herself to get that filthy"
A TOTAL loss of dignity
That is why I like to see a woman starting VERY smartly dressed, so that her descent into total destruction looks even more of a contrast.
Some examples are
- Cinq Sougoula, who is sweet and sassy.
- Freddy Blatts wife who undergoes total annihilation. She says she hates it, but continues to let him destroy her.
- Wet Nylons wife Karen. She is pretty and well dressed In her Nuttella photos she ends filthy.
- Lisa Moomin in all her sites. She is gorgeous and seems to love dunking herself in all kinds of mess
- Mrs Bee. Lovely in her smart dresses. Willing to be totally covered, even in grease..
I want the woman who is to get messed to AGREE to get messy.
The humiliation I like is PERCEIVED humiliation.
A sort of "I don't believe any respectable woman would allow herself to get that filthy"
A TOTAL loss of dignity
That is why I like to see a woman starting VERY smartly dressed, so that her descent into total destruction looks even more of a contrast.
Some examples are
- Cinq Sougoula, who is sweet and sassy.
- Freddy Blatts wife who undergoes total annihilation. She says she hates it, but continues to let him destroy her.
- Wet Nylons wife Karen. She is pretty and well dressed In her Nuttella photos she ends filthy.
- Lisa Moomin in all her sites. She is gorgeous and seems to love dunking herself in all kinds of mess
- Mrs Bee. Lovely in her smart dresses. Willing to be totally covered, even in grease..
I love the revenge & punishment aspects of getting messy. Punishment is a story that you can be really creative with. I quite like the job interview scenes, where the punishment is disguised as a 'test' for how badly they want the job. I am personally not a great fan of legitimate fear in sploshing because it should ultimately be slapstick (imho). There is also something incredibly hot when the women really, really loves the punishment when it happens.
Flickeronthebigscreen said: I love the revenge & punishment aspects of getting messy. Punishment is a story that you can be really creative with. I quite like the job interview scenes, where the punishment is disguised as a 'test' for how badly they want the job. I am personally not a great fan of legitimate fear in sploshing because it should ultimately be slapstick (imho). There is also something incredibly hot when the women really, really loves the punishment when it happens.
I agree with that.
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