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"Poor people should not be allowed to have fetishes."
Basically if you dont have money to indulge even if you buy one or two videos and thats all you ever buy you should not be able to have any sexual fetishes. This is the vibe I get from this place. How dare anyone suggest ideas without being FORCED to buy a custom that I can not afford and people are not open to payment plans.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
You're probably just venting but are you ok?
You don't need to spend money to enjoy this site. Some of the members create fetish content to sell but a lot of us just do it in our own time.
You don't need to spend money to enjoy this site. Some of the members create fetish content to sell but a lot of us just do it in our own time.
Axios
You are such an insufferable human being. Many people have commented on your other threads about mud. MANY producers comment on your threads and then you just ghost people. Quit with this gas lighting attention seeking behavior. It is not doing you any favors on here. People run businesses, there is a little something called supply and demand as well as cost of doing business. If you don't like the realities of the situation, go out and try doing it on your own. Just one session and see what it costs and what you run into.
IlikeGirlsinMud said: Basically if you dont have money to indulge even if you buy one or two videos and thats all you ever buy you should not be able to have any sexual fetishes. This is the vibe I get from this place. How dare anyone suggest ideas without being FORCED to buy a custom that I can not afford and people are not open to payment plans.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
To add to this most producers charge on low end, $200-300 for a custom and on higher end, $400-600. If you cannot save up or pay for a custom, you have problems in other place and should not be spending money there. Struggling to afford food, shelter or anything pertaining to living is one thing. But at end of day, this fetish/kink is not a need it is a want.
Rusalka said:
To add to this most producers charge on low end, $200-300 for a custom and on higher end, $400-600. If you cannot save up or pay for a custom, you have problems in other place and should not be spending money there. Struggling to afford food, shelter or anything pertaining to living is one thing. But at end of day, this fetish/kink is not a need it is a want.
IlikeGirlsinMud said: Basically if you dont have money to indulge even if you buy one or two videos and thats all you ever buy you should not be able to have any sexual fetishes. This is the vibe I get from this place. How dare anyone suggest ideas without being FORCED to buy a custom that I can not afford and people are not open to payment plans.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
To add to this most producers charge on low end, $200-300 for a custom and on higher end, $400-600. If you cannot save up or pay for a custom, you have problems in other place and should not be spending money there. Struggling to afford food, shelter or anything pertaining to living is one thing. But at end of day, this fetish/kink is not a need it is a want.
Some even higher than that. It depends what they want. Wrestling is paying for 2 models minimum out the gate. In any event, customs are a bespoke luxury. No one owes you a custom. You can either afford it or not. If you are seeking a producer out, then clearly there is something that they are doing that you enjoy and want them to be in charge of your vision for a reason. If you are just tossing out ideas into a forum hoping one of us will toss our ideas aside in the hopes people other than yourself will buy it, you will be waiting a while.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
I really want to know about this new program to force people to buy customs, that sounds like a real moneyspinner. Where do we find the people to force, is it like just grab some randoms coming out of the nearest mall and tell them the Lords Sploshable of the Grand High Temple Of WAM have decreed they need to immediately commission and pay for a custom? 
At the end of the day, in any fetish, if the version of it you specifically want to see isn't available, you have four choices:
1. Make do with your own imagination. The most powerful sexual organ in the body is the brain, just use your imagination to visualise the scene. That's what we all did before the Internet.
2. Just buy the closest to what you want that someone somewhere has produced. Unless your tastes are really hyper-specific you can usually find something that works for you.
3. Commission someone who does bespoke scenes to shoot exactly what you want for you.
4. Hire models, buy equipment and outfits, shoot it yoursef.
The whole reason I got into WAM production was no-one was shooting and selling the kind of WAM I wanted to see, with girls in real medical unifiorms, overalls, or boilersuits and wellies, getting messy. But doing so wasn't cheap.
At the end of the day, in any fetish, if the version of it you specifically want to see isn't available, you have four choices:
1. Make do with your own imagination. The most powerful sexual organ in the body is the brain, just use your imagination to visualise the scene. That's what we all did before the Internet.
2. Just buy the closest to what you want that someone somewhere has produced. Unless your tastes are really hyper-specific you can usually find something that works for you.
3. Commission someone who does bespoke scenes to shoot exactly what you want for you.
4. Hire models, buy equipment and outfits, shoot it yoursef.
The whole reason I got into WAM production was no-one was shooting and selling the kind of WAM I wanted to see, with girls in real medical unifiorms, overalls, or boilersuits and wellies, getting messy. But doing so wasn't cheap.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
Every time you ever comment anything, it's always with this mentality that you're owed the content you want for free because you have a mud fetish. It's gotten very tiresome by this point. But based on other things you're saying, it sounds like you're in a dark place in general. I doubt UMD can help much in that regard.
I was hanging out in my 2000 room mansion with my harem of supermodel girlfriends and we were laughing at the poors, like we usually do before Jeeves the hired help brings us our Dom and fresh lobster.
"Why do the impoverished bother having fetishes?" I asked while waving around my solid gold scepter.
Also, have you ever been to a restaurant and heard one of these creatures whine about how they could make the food better and cheaper? Peak poor behavior!
"Why do the impoverished bother having fetishes?" I asked while waving around my solid gold scepter.
Also, have you ever been to a restaurant and heard one of these creatures whine about how they could make the food better and cheaper? Peak poor behavior!
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
My guy over here talking like custom mud fetish videos are as valuable and life sustaining as water 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8&ab_channel=Kurisu-pyon
Also, to a degree, I can sympathize with feeling a bit miffed if a producer gets a tad hostile at someone making a video suggestion, but there comes a point where harmless suggestions ("Hey, this would be a cool idea for a video if you like the idea and think it would sell well IMO") turn into demands (repeatedly messaging producers over and over and over). Nobody likes SPAM, and no business likes entitled patrons. Combining those two just makes someone into a menace.
Porn is a business. It's been a business for decades. It costs money to produce just like any video production. And unfortunately WAM is one of those fetishes that are more costly and labor intensive and can defiantly be a money sink. So are so many other hobbies. It's an unfortunate fact of life, but goods and services cost money, and porn is a non-essential service.
Honestly, at risk of sounding like a dick for being blunt, if you have access to a computer that can connect to the internet to visit this site while having a warm roof over your head with indoor plumbing, you're doing alright in life compared to much of the rest of the world. It sucks when money gets tight, but equating the right to custom fetish porn to the right to be alive is absolutely absurd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8&ab_channel=Kurisu-pyon
Also, to a degree, I can sympathize with feeling a bit miffed if a producer gets a tad hostile at someone making a video suggestion, but there comes a point where harmless suggestions ("Hey, this would be a cool idea for a video if you like the idea and think it would sell well IMO") turn into demands (repeatedly messaging producers over and over and over). Nobody likes SPAM, and no business likes entitled patrons. Combining those two just makes someone into a menace.
Porn is a business. It's been a business for decades. It costs money to produce just like any video production. And unfortunately WAM is one of those fetishes that are more costly and labor intensive and can defiantly be a money sink. So are so many other hobbies. It's an unfortunate fact of life, but goods and services cost money, and porn is a non-essential service.
Honestly, at risk of sounding like a dick for being blunt, if you have access to a computer that can connect to the internet to visit this site while having a warm roof over your head with indoor plumbing, you're doing alright in life compared to much of the rest of the world. It sucks when money gets tight, but equating the right to custom fetish porn to the right to be alive is absolutely absurd.
All this cake, there must be a princess somewhere.
HappyCamper said: I was hanging out in my 2000 room mansion with my harem of supermodel girlfriends and we were laughing at the poors, like we usually do before Jeeves the hired help brings us our Dom and fresh lobster.
"Why do the impoverished bother having fetishes?" I asked while waving around my solid gold scepter.
Also, have you ever been to a restaurant and heard one of these creatures whine about how they could make the food better and cheaper? Peak poor behavior!
"Why do the impoverished bother having fetishes?" I asked while waving around my solid gold scepter.
Also, have you ever been to a restaurant and heard one of these creatures whine about how they could make the food better and cheaper? Peak poor behavior!
*tilts his head up in the air* A righteous flex on the poors, good sir. Very righteous, indeed.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
IlikeGirlsinMud said: Basically if you dont have money to indulge even if you buy one or two videos and thats all you ever buy you should not be able to have any sexual fetishes. This is the vibe I get from this place. How dare anyone suggest ideas without being FORCED to buy a custom that I can not afford and people are not open to payment plans.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
Why are you so angry? Most of your posts you seem very demanding. Do you really think producers make videos for free? The costs of even setting up shoots/equipment isn't cheap. If you want free videos there may be some on "tube" sites etc but a lot of them as just small clips. If you want specific fetish videos you should have to pay for the privilege of watching a video that was made for sploshers. If you want a specific video made to your specifications you should have to pay for a custom as producers may not get enough sales from a custom
IlikeGirlsinMud said: Basically if you dont have money to indulge even if you buy one or two videos and thats all you ever buy you should not be able to have any sexual fetishes. This is the vibe I get from this place. How dare anyone suggest ideas without being FORCED to buy a custom that I can not afford and people are not open to payment plans.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
I dunno what you're ranting about, you're not required to buy anything by being here, unless you think that your needs are not being met and you really need a particular thing produced for you that you have to pay for...well, that's the way services work. On a similar note...I collect and kind of obsess over art. I know that people don't do art for free, generally artist's also don't have payment plans...it's a service and a luxury item, and you do your research and pick out who works for you with what you have to spend. It's really not that expensive, just like customs. Unless you're so addicted that you feel you need dozens of them a year...which I do with my art, thank god I'm single and have no kids
#DontLookUp
My 2 cents that no one asked for-
Photos and free trailers- It gets tiresome to hear that folks are getting off to just photos. Are they allowed to? Absolutely! Do I need to hear that I need to put up more free content so you can get off for free? No. I love this and it's my fetish. And as a consumer as well, I love all the pics but I am not going to tell anyone that they need to release free stuff bc I know how much time, effort and money that goes into it.
Sex chat- I don't really use the chat feature for many reasons but mostly bc most folks want free sex chats. Most models I know charge for this. Don't get annoyed if they charge, again it's their time and effort.
Customs- Don't say you can only pay $20 because we will get insulted. Don't then get annoyed because we turn you down. And great that one time back in '02 you convinced some chick to do this for $5. She probably learned from it and never did it again. The prep, material, and clean up that goes into this is way beyond what you think it is. And yes, again, it's my fetish and I love this but it gets expensive and selling is how I fund this. That goes for all models and producers. It's way more effort and money than you think.
~Chloe
Photos and free trailers- It gets tiresome to hear that folks are getting off to just photos. Are they allowed to? Absolutely! Do I need to hear that I need to put up more free content so you can get off for free? No. I love this and it's my fetish. And as a consumer as well, I love all the pics but I am not going to tell anyone that they need to release free stuff bc I know how much time, effort and money that goes into it.
Sex chat- I don't really use the chat feature for many reasons but mostly bc most folks want free sex chats. Most models I know charge for this. Don't get annoyed if they charge, again it's their time and effort.
Customs- Don't say you can only pay $20 because we will get insulted. Don't then get annoyed because we turn you down. And great that one time back in '02 you convinced some chick to do this for $5. She probably learned from it and never did it again. The prep, material, and clean up that goes into this is way beyond what you think it is. And yes, again, it's my fetish and I love this but it gets expensive and selling is how I fund this. That goes for all models and producers. It's way more effort and money than you think.
~Chloe
PieroProductions said: My 2 cents that no one asked for-
Photos and free trailers- It gets tiresome to hear that folks are getting off to just photos. Are they allowed to? Absolutely! Do I need to hear that I need to put up more free content so you can get off for free? No. I love this and it's my fetish. And as a consumer as well, I love all the pics but I am not going to tell anyone that they need to release free stuff bc I know how much time, effort and money that goes into it.
Sex chat- I don't really use the chat feature for many reasons but mostly bc most folks want free sex chats. Most models I know charge for this. Don't get annoyed if they charge, again it's their time and effort.
Customs- Don't say you can only pay $20 because we will get insulted. Don't then get annoyed because we turn you down. And great that one time back in '02 you convinced some chick to do this for $5. She probably learned from it and never did it again. The prep, material, and clean up that goes into this is way beyond what you think it is. And yes, again, it's my fetish and I love this but it gets expensive and selling is how I fund this. That goes for all models and producers. It's way more effort and money than you think.
~Chloe
Photos and free trailers- It gets tiresome to hear that folks are getting off to just photos. Are they allowed to? Absolutely! Do I need to hear that I need to put up more free content so you can get off for free? No. I love this and it's my fetish. And as a consumer as well, I love all the pics but I am not going to tell anyone that they need to release free stuff bc I know how much time, effort and money that goes into it.
Sex chat- I don't really use the chat feature for many reasons but mostly bc most folks want free sex chats. Most models I know charge for this. Don't get annoyed if they charge, again it's their time and effort.
Customs- Don't say you can only pay $20 because we will get insulted. Don't then get annoyed because we turn you down. And great that one time back in '02 you convinced some chick to do this for $5. She probably learned from it and never did it again. The prep, material, and clean up that goes into this is way beyond what you think it is. And yes, again, it's my fetish and I love this but it gets expensive and selling is how I fund this. That goes for all models and producers. It's way more effort and money than you think.
~Chloe
^All of this!
It's a sad state of affairs but a general trend I have seen is that some of y'all never had to wait 30 minutes to download a 5 minute clip on dial up and it shows. Enjoy what is out there. Not to sound like my mom here, but trust me and some of the older folks on here when we say that you have no idea just how good you all have it. We are a far cry from the days of AOL and mail order clip tapes with tracking issues. Be thankful.
On the same note: RESPECT A MODEL'S TIME! She doesn't owe you a 30 minute chat exchange for free. Tip them if you like them. Buy their content if you really like them. Order a custom if you really REALLY like them. It's not a hard concept. I hear a lot of griping on "this such and such model is either unavailable, rude or transactional". People's failure to respect another person's time and effort is why. Be a reason that changes!
And for the love of all that is holy, stop bringing up "well so and so did this for this amount". We don't care. We are not them. The price is the price. We have our reasons and no, we are not obligated to "price match" some Onlyfans model who you managed to convince to do a 30 minute custom for 50.00 bucks. This isn't TJ Maxx and you clearly asked that producer or model for a custom for a reason. Honor them by paying their worth if you like their stuff. You might get surprised of what you get in return.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
^All of this!
It's a sad state of affairs but a general trend I have seen is that some of y'all never had to wait 30 minutes to download a 5 minute clip on dial up and it shows. Enjoy what is out there. Not to sound like my mom here, but trust me and some of the older folks on here when we say that you have no idea just how good you all have it. We are a far cry from the days of AOL and mail order clip tapes with tracking issues. Be thankful.
On the same note: RESPECT A MODEL'S TIME! She doesn't owe you a 30 minute chat exchange for free. Tip them if you like them. Buy their content if you really like them. Order a custom if you really REALLY like them. It's not a hard concept. I hear a lot of griping on "this such and such model is either unavailable, rude or transactional". People's failure to respect another person's time and effort is why. Be a reason that changes!
And for the love of all that is holy, stop bringing up "well so and so did this for this amount". We don't care. We are not them. The price is the price. We have our reasons and no, we are not obligated to "price match" some Onlyfans model who you managed to convince to do a 30 minute custom for 50.00 bucks. This isn't TJ Maxx and you clearly asked that producer or model for a custom for a reason. Honor them by paying their worth if you like their stuff. You might get surprised of what you get in return.
PieroProductions said: My 2 cents that no one asked for-
Photos and free trailers- It gets tiresome to hear that folks are getting off to just photos. Are they allowed to? Absolutely! Do I need to hear that I need to put up more free content so you can get off for free? No. I love this and it's my fetish. And as a consumer as well, I love all the pics but I am not going to tell anyone that they need to release free stuff bc I know how much time, effort and money that goes into it.
Sex chat- I don't really use the chat feature for many reasons but mostly bc most folks want free sex chats. Most models I know charge for this. Don't get annoyed if they charge, again it's their time and effort.
Customs- Don't say you can only pay $20 because we will get insulted. Don't then get annoyed because we turn you down. And great that one time back in '02 you convinced some chick to do this for $5. She probably learned from it and never did it again. The prep, material, and clean up that goes into this is way beyond what you think it is. And yes, again, it's my fetish and I love this but it gets expensive and selling is how I fund this. That goes for all models and producers. It's way more effort and money than you think.
~Chloe
Photos and free trailers- It gets tiresome to hear that folks are getting off to just photos. Are they allowed to? Absolutely! Do I need to hear that I need to put up more free content so you can get off for free? No. I love this and it's my fetish. And as a consumer as well, I love all the pics but I am not going to tell anyone that they need to release free stuff bc I know how much time, effort and money that goes into it.
Sex chat- I don't really use the chat feature for many reasons but mostly bc most folks want free sex chats. Most models I know charge for this. Don't get annoyed if they charge, again it's their time and effort.
Customs- Don't say you can only pay $20 because we will get insulted. Don't then get annoyed because we turn you down. And great that one time back in '02 you convinced some chick to do this for $5. She probably learned from it and never did it again. The prep, material, and clean up that goes into this is way beyond what you think it is. And yes, again, it's my fetish and I love this but it gets expensive and selling is how I fund this. That goes for all models and producers. It's way more effort and money than you think.
~Chloe
^All of this!
It's a sad state of affairs but a general trend I have seen is that some of y'all never had to wait 30 minutes to download a 5 minute clip on dial up and it shows. Enjoy what is out there. Not to sound like my mom here, but trust me and some of the older folks on here when we say that you have no idea just how good you all have it. We are a far cry from the days of AOL and mail order clip tapes with tracking issues. Be thankful.
On the same note: RESPECT A MODEL'S TIME! She doesn't owe you a 30 minute chat exchange for free. Tip them if you like them. Buy their content if you really like them. Order a custom if you really REALLY like them. It's not a hard concept. I hear a lot of griping on "this such and such model is either unavailable, rude or transactional". People's failure to respect another person's time and effort is why. Be a reason that changes!
And for the love of all that is holy, stop bringing up "well so and so did this for this amount". We don't care. We are not them. The price is the price. We have our reasons and no, we are not obligated to "price match" some Onlyfans model who you managed to convince to do a 30 minute custom for 50.00 bucks. This isn't TJ Maxx and you clearly asked that producer or model for a custom for a reason. Honor them by paying their worth if you like their stuff. You might get surprised of what you get in return.
You mentioning waiting on dial up to finish downloading a clip made me jump back to an even rougher period of time trying to watch the Spice channel scrambled. Now THOSE were the dark times
Submachines said: On the flip side...
I'll do anything for £1 and a latte
I'll do anything for £1 and a latte
I mean, I probably have done worse for my favorite coffee made by my favorite lady at the coffee shop because she knows exactly how I like it LOL
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
jaybee4769 said:
You mentioning waiting on dial up to finish downloading a clip made me jump back to an even rougher period of time trying to watch the Spice channel scrambled. Now THOSE were the dark times
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
^All of this!
It's a sad state of affairs but a general trend I have seen is that some of y'all never had to wait 30 minutes to download a 5 minute clip on dial up and it shows. Enjoy what is out there. Not to sound like my mom here, but trust me and some of the older folks on here when we say that you have no idea just how good you all have it. We are a far cry from the days of AOL and mail order clip tapes with tracking issues. Be thankful.
On the same note: RESPECT A MODEL'S TIME! She doesn't owe you a 30 minute chat exchange for free. Tip them if you like them. Buy their content if you really like them. Order a custom if you really REALLY like them. It's not a hard concept. I hear a lot of griping on "this such and such model is either unavailable, rude or transactional". People's failure to respect another person's time and effort is why. Be a reason that changes!
And for the love of all that is holy, stop bringing up "well so and so did this for this amount". We don't care. We are not them. The price is the price. We have our reasons and no, we are not obligated to "price match" some Onlyfans model who you managed to convince to do a 30 minute custom for 50.00 bucks. This isn't TJ Maxx and you clearly asked that producer or model for a custom for a reason. Honor them by paying their worth if you like their stuff. You might get surprised of what you get in return.
^All of this!
It's a sad state of affairs but a general trend I have seen is that some of y'all never had to wait 30 minutes to download a 5 minute clip on dial up and it shows. Enjoy what is out there. Not to sound like my mom here, but trust me and some of the older folks on here when we say that you have no idea just how good you all have it. We are a far cry from the days of AOL and mail order clip tapes with tracking issues. Be thankful.
On the same note: RESPECT A MODEL'S TIME! She doesn't owe you a 30 minute chat exchange for free. Tip them if you like them. Buy their content if you really like them. Order a custom if you really REALLY like them. It's not a hard concept. I hear a lot of griping on "this such and such model is either unavailable, rude or transactional". People's failure to respect another person's time and effort is why. Be a reason that changes!
And for the love of all that is holy, stop bringing up "well so and so did this for this amount". We don't care. We are not them. The price is the price. We have our reasons and no, we are not obligated to "price match" some Onlyfans model who you managed to convince to do a 30 minute custom for 50.00 bucks. This isn't TJ Maxx and you clearly asked that producer or model for a custom for a reason. Honor them by paying their worth if you like their stuff. You might get surprised of what you get in return.
You mentioning waiting on dial up to finish downloading a clip made me jump back to an even rougher period of time trying to watch the Spice channel scrambled. Now THOSE were the dark times
Ya know, dark times indeed but no one could deny that we burst with imagination when we just had to pretend we saw a boob.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Hi,everyone! I'm just checking in to see if MM has banned the poor people from using the forum yet!
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
HappyCamper said: Hi,everyone! I'm just checking in to see if MM has banned the poor people from using the forum yet!
I'm afraid not, my good man. Just this afternoon, a fucking poor was begging for a crumb of pie crust and a single picture to sling some ham to as I was getting ready to mess one of my many models.
The scandal!
VegasWam said:
I'm afraid not, my good man. Just this afternoon, a fucking poor was begging for a crumb of pie crust and a single picture to sling some ham to as I was getting ready to mess one of my many models.
The scandal!
HappyCamper said: Hi,everyone! I'm just checking in to see if MM has banned the poor people from using the forum yet!
I'm afraid not, my good man. Just this afternoon, a fucking poor was begging for a crumb of pie crust and a single picture to sling some ham to as I was getting ready to mess one of my many models.
The scandal!
This scene comes to mind
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
I kinda feel like this is directed towards me because of my response to the "Unpopular WAM Opinions" thread. (I don't remember what page I replied on)
https://umd.net/forums/unpopular-wam-opinions
The thread eventually devolved into publicly shaming people's body types, personal style preferences, and the kind of content producers create. Instead of unpopular opinions it was just an "I Hate This/Don't Like This" thread. Which then became a "Why don't I see what I prefer/Why don't producers make what I like/I think certain producers make bad content" kind of thread, which is not on topic. After I noticed people getting upset and offended I called out the shit behavior for what it was. I basically told them my Unpopular WAM Opinion was to stop being cheap and instead of complaining about what they don't like they can just order a custom for fuck's sake. Or something like that. Either way, I did accuse the people complaining that they were just trying to influence us to make something specialized for free to avoid paying for customs. I was fucking irritated so I kinda went off. But I stand by my words.
I've been a new content creator here, trying to get popular and take these suggestions and spend the money to make it. And it doesn't sell at all and the person who suggests it never buys it. Then I reach out to say, "Hey, I made the thing" but it turns out that the person who suggested it isn't into how I look, but if I could find a model who looks the way they like, they'll buy the scene. You know, after I pay a model hundreds of dollars for it. Do you see how incredibly frustrating that is? So it's not just that you're making suggestions. These are never suggestions for what you want to see. These are requests, and they're meant for a specific model or a specific producer, not just for anybody to make. And I think it's manipulative at a certain point, I think it's taking advantage of people who are new to creating content who don't realize how much actual money and work goes into making this content.
And let's talk about how the content gets pirated. So then these vids we make from a suggestion never sell, at least not through our stores. But soon we're getting notifications that someone is putting that video up on a tube site and saying "DM me for the full video". Definitely problematic.
Everything in this fetish costs money. Time, is actually money. Most of us have day jobs to afford making content. So taking the time to set up a scene, film it and clean it up, that takes a lot of time out of the few days off some of us have. Equipment, having the right cameras, lighting, audio, these things are needed to make the quality you want. Supplies, buying supplies absolutely costs money and inflation makes it worse every year. Wardrobe, because obviously some things are not going to wash out, even cheap clothes adds up. Models, like seriously, this isn't a perpetual slumber party, there isn't an endless supply of friends who want to do this for free. These are performers who are paid to get messy. And this fetish is sometimes more expensive to a model because getting messy can ruin a pedicure or a professional hairstyle, or they can't film anything else that day and you have to make it worth their time. So you have to pay them for multiple scenes in a day if you're gonna get your money's worth. You see, it's really hard for us to just make scenes on a whim.
Instead of making suggestions about scenes you want to see, just post your fantasies to the threads. I love sharing fantasies, that's fun to do and it's harmless, no pressure to make anything out of it.
https://umd.net/forums/unpopular-wam-opinions
The thread eventually devolved into publicly shaming people's body types, personal style preferences, and the kind of content producers create. Instead of unpopular opinions it was just an "I Hate This/Don't Like This" thread. Which then became a "Why don't I see what I prefer/Why don't producers make what I like/I think certain producers make bad content" kind of thread, which is not on topic. After I noticed people getting upset and offended I called out the shit behavior for what it was. I basically told them my Unpopular WAM Opinion was to stop being cheap and instead of complaining about what they don't like they can just order a custom for fuck's sake. Or something like that. Either way, I did accuse the people complaining that they were just trying to influence us to make something specialized for free to avoid paying for customs. I was fucking irritated so I kinda went off. But I stand by my words.
I've been a new content creator here, trying to get popular and take these suggestions and spend the money to make it. And it doesn't sell at all and the person who suggests it never buys it. Then I reach out to say, "Hey, I made the thing" but it turns out that the person who suggested it isn't into how I look, but if I could find a model who looks the way they like, they'll buy the scene. You know, after I pay a model hundreds of dollars for it. Do you see how incredibly frustrating that is? So it's not just that you're making suggestions. These are never suggestions for what you want to see. These are requests, and they're meant for a specific model or a specific producer, not just for anybody to make. And I think it's manipulative at a certain point, I think it's taking advantage of people who are new to creating content who don't realize how much actual money and work goes into making this content.
And let's talk about how the content gets pirated. So then these vids we make from a suggestion never sell, at least not through our stores. But soon we're getting notifications that someone is putting that video up on a tube site and saying "DM me for the full video". Definitely problematic.
Everything in this fetish costs money. Time, is actually money. Most of us have day jobs to afford making content. So taking the time to set up a scene, film it and clean it up, that takes a lot of time out of the few days off some of us have. Equipment, having the right cameras, lighting, audio, these things are needed to make the quality you want. Supplies, buying supplies absolutely costs money and inflation makes it worse every year. Wardrobe, because obviously some things are not going to wash out, even cheap clothes adds up. Models, like seriously, this isn't a perpetual slumber party, there isn't an endless supply of friends who want to do this for free. These are performers who are paid to get messy. And this fetish is sometimes more expensive to a model because getting messy can ruin a pedicure or a professional hairstyle, or they can't film anything else that day and you have to make it worth their time. So you have to pay them for multiple scenes in a day if you're gonna get your money's worth. You see, it's really hard for us to just make scenes on a whim.
Instead of making suggestions about scenes you want to see, just post your fantasies to the threads. I love sharing fantasies, that's fun to do and it's harmless, no pressure to make anything out of it.
2/5/24, 2:20pm: [admin] Had to remove section on crowd-funding as that's not allowed here.
CreamMeAgain said: I kinda feel like this is directed towards me because of my response to the "Unpopular WAM Opinions" thread. (I don't remember what page I replied on)
https://umd.net/forums/unpopular-wam-opinions
The thread eventually devolved into publicly shaming people's body types, personal style preferences, and the kind of content producers create. Instead of unpopular opinions it was just an "I Hate This/Don't Like This" thread. Which then became a "Why don't I see what I prefer/Why don't producers make what I like/I think certain producers make bad content" kind of thread, which is not on topic. After I noticed people getting upset and offended I called out the shit behavior for what it was. I basically told them my Unpopular WAM Opinion was to stop being cheap and instead of complaining about what they don't like they can just order a custom for fuck's sake. Or something like that. Either way, I did accuse the people complaining that they were just trying to influence us to make something specialized for free to avoid paying for customs. I was fucking irritated so I kinda went off. But I stand by my words.
I've been a new content creator here, trying to get popular and take these suggestions and spend the money to make it. And it doesn't sell at all and the person who suggests it never buys it. Then I reach out to say, "Hey, I made the thing" but it turns out that the person who suggested it isn't into how I look, but if I could find a model who looks the way they like, they'll buy the scene. You know, after I pay a model hundreds of dollars for it. Do you see how incredibly frustrating that is? So it's not just that you're making suggestions. These are never suggestions for what you want to see. These are requests, and they're meant for a specific model or a specific producer, not just for anybody to make. And I think it's manipulative at a certain point, I think it's taking advantage of people who are new to creating content who don't realize how much actual money and work goes into making this content.
And let's talk about how the content gets pirated. So then these vids we make from a suggestion never sell, at least not through our stores. But soon we're getting notifications that someone is putting that video up on a tube site and saying "DM me for the full video". Definitely problematic.
Everything in this fetish costs money. Time, is actually money. Most of us have day jobs to afford making content. So taking the time to set up a scene, film it and clean it up, that takes a lot of time out of the few days off some of us have. Equipment, having the right cameras, lighting, audio, these things are needed to make the quality you want. Supplies, buying supplies absolutely costs money and inflation makes it worse every year. Wardrobe, because obviously some things are not going to wash out, even cheap clothes adds up. Models, like seriously, this isn't a perpetual slumber party, there isn't an endless supply of friends who want to do this for free. These are performers who are paid to get messy. And this fetish is sometimes more expensive to a model because getting messy can ruin a pedicure or a professional hairstyle, or they can't film anything else that day and you have to make it worth their time. So you have to pay them for multiple scenes in a day if you're gonna get your money's worth. You see, it's really hard for us to just make scenes on a whim.
Instead of making suggestions about scenes you want to see, just post your fantasies to the threads. I love sharing fantasies, that's fun to do and it's harmless, no pressure to make anything out of it.
https://umd.net/forums/unpopular-wam-opinions
The thread eventually devolved into publicly shaming people's body types, personal style preferences, and the kind of content producers create. Instead of unpopular opinions it was just an "I Hate This/Don't Like This" thread. Which then became a "Why don't I see what I prefer/Why don't producers make what I like/I think certain producers make bad content" kind of thread, which is not on topic. After I noticed people getting upset and offended I called out the shit behavior for what it was. I basically told them my Unpopular WAM Opinion was to stop being cheap and instead of complaining about what they don't like they can just order a custom for fuck's sake. Or something like that. Either way, I did accuse the people complaining that they were just trying to influence us to make something specialized for free to avoid paying for customs. I was fucking irritated so I kinda went off. But I stand by my words.
I've been a new content creator here, trying to get popular and take these suggestions and spend the money to make it. And it doesn't sell at all and the person who suggests it never buys it. Then I reach out to say, "Hey, I made the thing" but it turns out that the person who suggested it isn't into how I look, but if I could find a model who looks the way they like, they'll buy the scene. You know, after I pay a model hundreds of dollars for it. Do you see how incredibly frustrating that is? So it's not just that you're making suggestions. These are never suggestions for what you want to see. These are requests, and they're meant for a specific model or a specific producer, not just for anybody to make. And I think it's manipulative at a certain point, I think it's taking advantage of people who are new to creating content who don't realize how much actual money and work goes into making this content.
And let's talk about how the content gets pirated. So then these vids we make from a suggestion never sell, at least not through our stores. But soon we're getting notifications that someone is putting that video up on a tube site and saying "DM me for the full video". Definitely problematic.
Everything in this fetish costs money. Time, is actually money. Most of us have day jobs to afford making content. So taking the time to set up a scene, film it and clean it up, that takes a lot of time out of the few days off some of us have. Equipment, having the right cameras, lighting, audio, these things are needed to make the quality you want. Supplies, buying supplies absolutely costs money and inflation makes it worse every year. Wardrobe, because obviously some things are not going to wash out, even cheap clothes adds up. Models, like seriously, this isn't a perpetual slumber party, there isn't an endless supply of friends who want to do this for free. These are performers who are paid to get messy. And this fetish is sometimes more expensive to a model because getting messy can ruin a pedicure or a professional hairstyle, or they can't film anything else that day and you have to make it worth their time. So you have to pay them for multiple scenes in a day if you're gonna get your money's worth. You see, it's really hard for us to just make scenes on a whim.
Instead of making suggestions about scenes you want to see, just post your fantasies to the threads. I love sharing fantasies, that's fun to do and it's harmless, no pressure to make anything out of it.
Sheesh, If I wasn't already spoken for, I might have to marry this woman. All this, folks^.
Every.
Single.
Word.
And it needed to be said so thank you!
Truthfully, You and myself along with a couple of others were all on that same train. Like I get we all have "our thing" but I just felt that entire thread turned into a bunch of whining and crying because people were not getting exactly what they wanted and to your point, that is what customs are for. That is the whole point of having a commissioned piece in the first place. An artist is not obligated to change their medium simply because you suggested it. A song writer isn't going to amend their lyrics simply because you ask them to. You want something specific, you have to pay for the privilege. I am sure as hell am not going to rewrite and revise my intended vision for a "suggestion" or promise of "ya know what would really sell?!". Neither should anyone else.
I do wanna touch a bit more on the "frustration" bit of being a producer because I don't think people fully understand the effort it takes to put these shoots together.
Firstly, unless our fanbase manages to pay enough to make a livable wage, most of us work. We have a life outside the life. I have a family and people who depend on me. I have obligations that far exceed shooting content. The same goes for the models we work with and even the models on here. They are not sitting by the phone waiting for wee lil ol' me to call them up and get them into the studio. That being said, scheduling can be a lil tough. It's even harder if the models tour. The more models you work with, the more you have to coordinate and make sure everyone knows what, when and how things are going to go down or you will be stuck trying to resolve scheduling conflicts days or even hours before the shoot.
Second, set up, materials, labor. You all have NO IDEA how much effort a lot of us go through to set up a scene. Some may debate it is too much but to a select few of us producers, it is worth it. No one told me that I would be lugging 8-10 50 pound bags of clay up two flights of stairs along with gear, cameras, and lighting. No one warned me about the late nights getting home, long hours editing, color grading footage and rewatching the same scene over and over again to make sure it was right. I knew all that going in and it was worth it because I knew the result of what we would create was worth it as well as the response to what we managed to pull off. Posts like this and remarks in the "unpopular opinion" thread honestly comes off as entitled and takes away what little joy we do have in doing this.
I know some of you think all of us are just a bunch of lifestylers doing this for kicks and pay a bare minimum of expense to the next guy but that doesn't reduce the amount of effort, time (something we will never get back), energy and commitment some of us have towards the craft. It is LITERALLY a labor of love. Have some respect and treat it as such.
Now as for sharing of ideas? I am all for that. It's fun and we do it all the time with our fans. It gets the creativity going and even in one off occasion, it's helped free me from some writers block. Just make sure that your ideas are ideas and not "well I don't like blah blah blah" or some cheesy con to get content specifically made for you without having to buy a custom.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
2/5/24, 2:22pm: [admin] edited quote to match admin edit of original post.
CreamMeAgain said: Instead of making suggestions about scenes you want to see, just post your fantasies to the threads. I love sharing fantasies, that's fun to do and it's harmless, no pressure to make anything out of it.
100% agree. I was thinking the same thing. Participation is fun and it is free. I love reading other's fantasies. Creating a post like "My ultimate mud fantasy", or "Does anyone else like ...", or "Can we recognize ..." - this might inspire a producer to incorporate it or it might inspire a customs customer to want it.
At the same time, I do see quite a lot of posts from producers like "How should we make this next model messy" or "How should I get messy next". When I see these threads, I don't feel encouraged to share ideas because I feel the real intent is to find customs customers and not find ideas. I have so many ideas sometimes, but sometimes I just feel discouraged from sharing them. It does feel bad when you share an idea that you feel is ignored, or when a producer messages asking if you want a custom that you cannot afford. - Still, it might worth sharing ideas in these threads if there is a rare chance that a producer is actually looking for things to try or if a customs customer might see the idea and really want it too.
Mud videos seem the most challenging to deal with if you also have specific kinks or sub-niches. There are all sorts of different kind of mud videos:
* Mud wrestling videos
* Quicksand videos
* Fully clothed mud videos
* Nude mud videos
* Male and homosexual mud videos
* Lesbian mud videos
* Coed or sex mud videos
* Indoor mud/clay smearing videos
* Indoor mud bath videos
* Outdoor real mud or quarry videos
A lot of mud videos are made and there are plenty of producers that make them. I would guess that most producers would not make any idea for free, and producers of one category would not make a mud video of a different category. So it seems challenging to get an idea out on a budget.
Edit: reworded final sentence a few times to try and make the final point clear.
Edit2: I saw "2/5/24, 2:22pm: [admin] edited quote to match admin edit of original post." above. I edited my post to match the quote correctly too. This removes some discussion which is not allowed on this forum.
mFeelzGood said: At the same time, I do see quite a lot of posts from producers like "How should we make this next model messy" or "How should I get messy next". When I see these threads, I don't feel encouraged to share ideas because I feel the real intent is to find customs customers and not find ideas.
Gotta give Rich (SlapstickStuff) credit here for some rare truth in advertising. He said in a previous thread: "Full disclosure: All "Do you want to see this model get messy?" posts are, basically, rhetorical questions.
When myself--or any other producer--make such a post, the shoot is ALWAYS a done deal. We're just trying to drum up some excitement early on. (It's the reason why you see a variety of different requests for wardrobe and substances in the comments... and yet the end result is ALWAYS exactly what particular producer always does. (Unless you paid tons of $$ for a custom.)
Think of these posts as a movie trailer. It's less "do you want to see this" and more "coming soon, go see this!" "
You can see his original post here: https://umd.net/forums/another-potential-slapstickstuff-star#postid_962718
-JD
CreamMeAgain said:
Instead of unpopular opinions it was just an "I Hate This/Don't Like This" thread.
Instead of unpopular opinions it was just an "I Hate This/Don't Like This" thread.
Got to admit, I saw that thread, and I thought of things that I don't like about WAM, and I saw what I liked the most dissed, and then I just moved on silently without typing a word...after 25 years online, I have learned those painful lessons.
Nessie
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
This scene comes to mind
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c
VegasWam said:
I'm afraid not, my good man. Just this afternoon, a fucking poor was begging for a crumb of pie crust and a single picture to sling some ham to as I was getting ready to mess one of my many models.
The scandal!
HappyCamper said: Hi,everyone! I'm just checking in to see if MM has banned the poor people from using the forum yet!
I'm afraid not, my good man. Just this afternoon, a fucking poor was begging for a crumb of pie crust and a single picture to sling some ham to as I was getting ready to mess one of my many models.
The scandal!
This scene comes to mind
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c
One of my all time favourite movies this is from
IlikeGirlsinMud said: Basically if you dont have money to indulge even if you buy one or two videos and thats all you ever buy you should not be able to have any sexual fetishes. This is the vibe I get from this place. How dare anyone suggest ideas without being FORCED to buy a custom that I can not afford and people are not open to payment plans.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
How dare anyone who doesn't have any money be allowed here. Or alive for that matter.
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