Hey All,

Sorry been busy with work etc but have made a couple of new discoveries but that is not the point of this post.

So far the following producers have been kind enough to test the recipe, although they have had some slightly different versions.

Cheeky Luna - she was kind enough to post a vid and some sample pics.

https://umd.net/profile/i/cheekyluna/section/videos/video/cheekylunas-pie-sandwich-with-messyrob19

Rev Slymsford - I have seen some pics so expect some of these on the forum soon.

It's All About Anni - Some of her recent pie pics are using this recipe.

Messy Leena - Is going to be testing them soon, but how do we bring back a classic pie per reply?

Question is what now. I have spent a bit working out the recipe do I sell it or do I just share the recipe and change UK pies. Well.for a few people at least

Ultimately it is your call. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to trying your recipe. I particularly like pics 1 & 4. Think a new texture would be fun to try. As I said it is your call. Thanks for posting the pics and inputs..

Yes, we said we were happy to try out Rob's new recipe.

He sent several bottles of mix and on the day of the shoot we followed the instructions and got to work.

Each bottle took about 6 minutes to prepare and contained enough mix for 2 pies. The instructions were easy to follow and everything worked as detailed in the simple instructions. 3 mins to make a pie may be a luxury on set, but equally they did look very good at the end.

The pies looked very good to us, and a person on set, not directly connected with Slymsford's said they looked impressive.

We used them across several scenes and here are some results pics.

I thought they looked great and worked really well.

I have been very straight with Rod that I wouldn't pay for a pie mix as, from a business pov, I don't think it would work for me as I do have other pie recipes that I am also happy with (skyr yoghurt, dream topping or whipped cream etc etc) and every penny counts when trying to make a living from wam, but I equally honestly said I thought his pies looked very good and had great coverage and were another strong option for UK Sploshers.

If the recipe was in the public domain I would definitely use it, as I was very impressed with the look and coverage of the pies.

Thanks Rob for allowing us to test drive them for you.

Your pies are quite outstanding, Rob. Top notch.

I wonder if your markets's not actually producers at all, though- but as a recreational product for wam sessions?

Rev and I discussed pies years ago (when Slymford's was still small enough to consider advice from me 'helpful' LOL) But even my pies and method (which are simply dairy double cream or a catering chef's cream whipped up for a few minutes - the 'secret' being only the large quantities used!) were, for his purposes, too time consuming to use commercially.

For producers, I think the holy grail is something you can buy in buckets, already whipped, that you can just dollop onto tins and bases.

Recreational wammers often have more time to enjoy the prep as part of the whole experience.

So, my question is, can you make your mixture and retail it at the same price as the same amount of chef's cream (which is long life and doesn't have the smell problem)?

Interesting, how much is chef's cream?

My mix can be done in bulk and then depending on the recipe can last overnight or longer at room temperature as it doesn't really melt. I though this would make larger scale pie shoots easier as normal cream etc melts.

Issue with the buckets of pre mixed would be finding a cost effective delivery service.

Firstly: Thank you for you're work.

Honestly, I doubt you will be able to sell it. You can't stop people just telling others the recipe once one person has bought it.
Also how much do you think a recipe is worth? At some level a lot of folks will just say "Meh, mine are good enough" or "I can experiment too".

On a personal note (others MMV), selling the recipe (after your advertising campaign) just feels cynical too me. I like the social aspect of our kink with lots of sharing of advice. I made a gunge tank and am more than happy to tell people what I did, and in return some have told me of other ways to improve it. This has lead to everyone being happy and it costs nothing. The post that stopped me lurking was to tell folks how to fill a balloon with any liquid (no one knew 25 years ago. I was hero of the day back then! The method is in my profile).
Maybe I am just not that into capitalism? But like I said, this is a personal feeling, others will jump at the chance if you price it properly.

To so answer your question. Just let everyone know. The community will thank you and probably improve on your recipe for the furtherment of the kink.

It's about £6-7 a litre now (see photos). But it's a lot more available. Used to be trade only - that's why nobody really knows about it. The nearest thing to it in the supermarket is Elmlea.

Tesco did their own (£1 per 600ml) double cream alternative and I used this for about 5 years from 2015 until they discontinued it. I recommended this endlessly but people just can't be arsed with the whipping!

Chef's cream takes a little longer to whip than dairy to an optimal consistency but it never goes off (really!). I used to stockpile it as it lasts 6 months or more and requires no refrigeration.

Why don't you just say what it is. Jesus.

Interesting mine definitely comes in under that amount. Well depending on what variant I make some are around that cost

To be honest I may start doing videos and remember the only producer with a unique mix kept it very secret.

I'd love to try the recipe out!

Your pies are amazing, may be difficult you being U.S. based but dropped you a message

Ah, that makes more sense and is already a good (?) business model (See messy supplies). Again, it would depend on the price and quality for repeat customers, but only time will tell if it's a winner or not. If cheap enough I would possibly buy one out of interest, I do love pies.

The 'advertising campaign' quip was a bit cynical on my part, just seems that way when you announced you might be selling it; the old games workshop model of create and build hype before selling the product.

Good luck though. (I'm obviously more cheerful after 4 cups of tea).

I have used Rob's recipe and had a lot of fun with it. I managed to do a scene with stock and pies and being a very small producer I do have the time to make the pies. It does take time but any mess making takes time.

The pies in my latest scene were left for a food 4 hours or more after being made up and using them in the shoot they were really stable and didn't smell. Also kept in the fridge for a few days before being made up. I also have to admit I didn't clean the pool till a couple of days later and the mess didn't start to smell at all and melted away under hot water making it easy to clean.

https://umd.net/download_info/cheekylunas-pied-and-gunged-in-stocks-an

So far it's the best thing I've found to use for pies.

As to SIlver_sea's comment I did come across your balloon method and have used it myself on a couple of occasions and I'm very thankful that you have shared. xxxx

Just need to clarify here, that your advice is always, and will always be, really helpful.

I am still totally winging it, and am always really appreciative of the amazing advice I get from you, and so many others.

I'm with you, I don't think it's a capitalism thing (I'm as capitalist as they come in most areas). But wam has always been a social thing for me, and while I understand some people enjoy making a living off it, I miss the old days of the UMD when it was about experimenting and helping each other have more fun with themselves or their partners. Before every producer felt like they held the recipe for Coke or KFC, ha ha.

All that said, the recipe looks great, Rob. Congrats.

Your pies look good, I would probably use that recipe to fill the bottom of an inflatable pool. I understand you want to protect your intellectual property with the intent to start making your own videos, and that's fine you worked for that. As for commercialising the product shipping will make it very expensive unless your product is in dry form before mixing.

If the ingredients are all store bought, sharing them and making sure people now refer to that recipe as MessyRob's style would make sense and help the community produce material you enjoy too.

Cheers!

Fair point and if the forum was still a social style community I would probably be with you. It's now a very commercial beast. Who knows what will happen. Also I am not a mega mind I am sure if people forestry could come up.with their own unique recipes. If I was US based there would have been no need but UK pies are not the best lol