https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL9Ul4MElMg

What I found incredible was that the girl watching did not start masturbating herself, was not moaning in pleasure and didn't even grab a cake to go sit on and rub in her crotch. What the actual fuck? She even yawns out of boredom after the first few hits. She wasn't begging her friend/partner/the-dude to pie her even. What the???

I just don't understand. Are they injured in the head or something? I mean the guy might be okay, he actually said it would be fun to be in a pie fight and mostly watched the whole thing... but that girl... I think she might have some kind of disease or brain injury or was depressed or something. Can someone find out if her parents just died horribly or something, I can't understand her almost bored reaction to all those pies.

Some people are just weird, I guess.

its probaly drugs or that blue wkd people drink nowadays, wait did she say there was photos of a cup cake down her pants ?!?!?!?!?!? ThAtS SooO HOttTT!!!!!

I don't believe. That's not humanly possible. Clearly she is a robot in girl skin.

You mean not everyone is ok with getting in a pie fight? No way. I guess if you want to find out if someone is ok you just have to ask them if they'd like to get slathered in pastries. I guess one WAM pick up line is : "don't you just love pie, even if it's shoved in your face?"

Believe it or not, not everyone is a Patriots fan either....

I ask my girlfriend to watch this scene as well!!! It really turns me on!!!

I liked very much!!! I hope there are more like this on youtube!!!

I love seeing her smiling at a good hit!!!

The fucking locals are doing reaction videos to pie fights now? Fuckin hell, they can't of run out of slightly niche songs to listen to and shitty try not to laugh challenges already

She's not completely dead inside. Witness her reaction to Natalie's first pie in the kisser... she's clearly thinking, "Oh shit! You mean even pretty girls aren't immune to pies in the face?!?"

For what it's worth, Natalie's sister Lana was with her during the shooting of The Great Race, and says in her memoir that, in her opinion, Natalie was at the absolute height of her beauty at this point (see the photos below for some evidence). Lana also notes that the pie fight was done near the very end of filming, which really drew out the displeasure for her sister, who was dreading it for weeks in advance. "It's hard to look pretty with pie on your face," Natalie kept complaining to her sister in the weeks leading up to the pie fight.

well, she chuckled at the beggining but she clearly went to same school of facial expression as Kirsten Stuwart

I remember back in the day, this forum even, there were a few years when the pinnacle of producer WAM videos was this one: Ariel's Pie Shop.

... and it was good even by today's standards and the two girls were certainly cute, but attractive in a vampy kind of stripper way. Back then, you could really only get fetish models I believe, you didn't really see much Girl Next Door stuff at least until Robby @ WLP did his thing.

I don't know why but I remember this specific comment someone made, which struck me as unreasonably ass-kissing, but they were comparing Ariel's Pie Shop to the Great Race (an unfair comparison IMO, directly looking at a multi-million dollar budget Hollywood movie vs a niche fetish shoot probably done under a grand, but I digress). While this is subjective, he was of course touting Ariel's Pie Shop as greatly superior (which the point of it was to get two girls as messy as possible, not a non-fetish slapstick comedy routine)... that was fine but what stuck with me was how he flat out said the main brunette girl from the shoot was "Way better looking than Natalie Wood".

Don't get me wrong, she was not bad looking at all but I was just floored at how utterly ridiculous it was. Natalie Wood is a timeless beauty in an era where plastic surgery was rare or minor. Just shocking how out of touch this was... but the real shock was that Ariel was reading these forums, read what this random poster said, this comment I wrote off as asskissy lunacy, but she saw his words and instantly fell in love with him, tracked him down and begged him to take her as her wife, professing her undying Love for him after reading his glowing praise. /s

I might be the only one who doesn't like the great face pie fight.

Wait, put down those burning torches let me explain before I get run out of town.

For me. I hate "angry wam" which this kind of is. It's hard to explain but when I watched it, I just, felt my skin crawl. I don't know. Maybe there is some thing wrong with me.

I always enjoy putting The Great Race into the context of a WAM production, as it's a bit eye-opening:

"Hey guys, check out this hot new model Natalie! She gets completely covered in pies while stripping down to just a corset and lingerie. This scene was truly EPIC.... We used over 4000 (!!) pies and the whole shoot cost $18,000 (!!!!). But I think you'll find the results were totally worth it!"

"Here's my review of the latest production from WAMBlake. So, I was a bit reluctant to fork over $49.99 for this scene, but I figured.... 4000 pies?? With THAT hottie?? This scene is gonna be amazing!!! Hate to tell you guys, but this scene is a full-blown sausage-fest. Pretty sure 98% of the pies wind up on random dudes. (And is 4000 pies a joke? I counted maybe 150, max!) Natalie looks hot, but she gets MAYBE 3 good hits. Whoever was throwing these pies needs to be fired, as there's not a single direct hit until the very last one (which is really good BTW).
So basically, 30 seconds of good female footage, max, which works out to over $1.50 a second. And the rest is all guys. Biggest WAM rip-off since I paid $200 to that girl on Instagram who turned out to be a sock puppet. MM, I know it's up to the producer, but I REALLY think it was misleading to label this scene Coed."

She managed!

I don't know that I've seen that last (B&W) photo before.

Also....

The girl must know she's being recorded while watching the scene so that effects her reaction.

And I took Rich's comment about the "WAMBlake" review as a joke and pretty funny.

Also, seeing how this board reacts to news of a female celebrity getting messy before the scene happens (i.e. Another Show We Don't Discuss).... I would give ANYTHING to witness the announcement, updates, and final release of The Great Race in real time... via the UMD.

Largest pie fight in Hollywood history + 4000 pies for the scene + Uber-Hot Hollywood Superstar Actress? People would've lost their damn minds.
And then seeing the final result? I feel like there might've been some.... slight disappointment.

I first watched The Great Race with parents when I was about 4 years old and it was on TV (black and white TV at that - a 12" Sony portable) - I didn't get anything wam-related from it but I did go up to my room after it finished and built a model of one of the cars out of Lego. After that I mostly forgot about it until it started getting mentioned on-line in WAM forums. Though I'm afraid it doesn't do anything WAM related for me either - while Natalie Wood is beautiful, I hate her outfit in the pie scene, so it's a complete fail for me, plus as others have said there isn't actually that much of her getting messy in it.

Having said that, last year I rented it on Google at Rosemary's suggestion and we watched it together, it is brilliantly funny and with quite a good story, and still works well as a film now, 70-odd years after it was made, so well worth seeing all the way through.

As to the number of pies, apparently they had to keep reshooting sections because the male lead kept getting splats on his outfit when the joke is meant to be he stays clean till the very end, so it took dozens of takes to get the whole scene right, hence they may well have used way more pies than you actually see in the final edit.

As for Ariel's Pie Shop, that was of course done by the master, Rob Blaine, and he was able to recruit models who genuinely did look like they should have been on the cover of Vogue - mainly because in an era in which there were only six WAM producers world-wide, he could afford to pay his models top rates - they got $250 a scene each, which would probably bankrupt any current regular producer. Also they weren't fetish models, his book "The Art Of Messy Photography" explains, at first he tried to recruit models from strip clubs but realised those girls were already well paid and so weren't tempted by WAM shoots, so instead he recruited college girls, who are always short of money, and they told their friends, and in one case he managed to recruit a shop assistant at a clothes shop while buying outfits with some of his other models, and in another he recruited a waitress who served them at a post-shoot meal who noticed that one of the girls dining still had some mud behind her ears.

The real news story here......Rob Blaine wrote a book?

More of a booklet really. Some of it is now obsolete, lots of info on handling film cameras (and changing film) in the mud, but a lot that is still very valid today, including how to act professionally, the importance of being a decent person and treating your models well, and things like "you cannot shoot good mud scenes unless you're willing to go right into the mud with your model". I think my copy is currently in a box with my MessyFun newsletters in the archive room but I read it cover to cover when I bought it in the 90s and it's still the basic rule set for how we operate here at Saturation Hall. Rob wanted to encourage as many people as possible to produce material and was very generous with advice and information.

No, but Phoebe wrote an ACTUAL book (used to be available on Amazon).

Although, based on what we know now, it was probably just her boyfriend doing the actual writing under her name...?

I'm not a pie guy. Not really even much of a mess lover but I've been watching the scene in question since I was a little kid and I've always taken notice of it. By the time I hit puberty it was all about Natalie and not just the huge mess and Jack Lemmon being funny. To this day it remains a great scene for me.

Hey, if they remade THE GREAT RACE today, you know who'd be really good in the Natalie Wood part?

Olivia Munn.

Wait, what?

You mean you guys are actually jackin' it to all this messy stuff?!?

I mean, I know we talk about that but I thought everybody was just kidding!

Ugh. Gross!

You always got to ask yourself: WWTAD?
What would the aliens do?

The aliens ain't judging us although that's probably the most judge-y face on any creature I've ever seen:

Or, for that matter, any of the other billion species on this planet.

Well, there was a lot of sarcasm in my post, which might not have come across well. (Thanks Internet!) That said, it's never fun to reminisce about some of your more ambitious works only to be told, "Whatever dude, you were always making jerk-off material." I don't really think the community in particular changed my viewpoint, but certainly YouTube viewing everything I release as "adult content" (regardless of ACTUAL content).... or people on [porn site] creating entire playlists devoted to SlapstickStuff (that don't include ANY actual SS clips)..... Well, it certainly makes you feel like you're fighting upstream with the whole, "This isn't porn, this is quirky comedy with some fetish elements!" argument. (And yeah, maybe I'm splitting hairs or protesting too much here...)

I don't mind the label "kink." It's way better than "porn" or "jerk-off material." I think it leaves room for art too.
And I'm not *really* defeated.... I still make ambitious stuff from time to time, but now I make sure it "ticks the boxes" with the larger fetish crowd who doesn't care about plot, or script, or "art." (Exhibit A: The Wonder Woman parody.) But I'm also picking my battles here. Truth be told, the big productions take a LONG time to film and edit.... and I probably get as much (or more) pleasure shooting something off-the-cuff. If anything, that's been the trend for SlapstickStuff over the last 5 years: Loosening up... Be it scripts, or wardrobe.

So sorry for being unclear with my post above. I still don't think of myself as creating "porn" and I tend to get defensive and irrational when that comes up.

ANYWAY. The Great Race! Classic Hollywood film with secret kink properties? Discuss.

Gosh, Rich, if it'll help, I'll stop jerking it when I watch your videos. Or at least I'll try to feel more guilty about it!

You still watch my videos?? The last thing you bought was on VHS, right?

I'm going to try to get this thread back on track with some screencaps of Goddess Natalie taking her first-ever pie to the kisser.

Thanks all, and sorry this thread derailed into an (over?) analysis of my past work.
I deleted the completely irrelevant posts of mine too.

Anyway. The Great Race? Great WAM scene or the GREATEST WAM scene???

As Rich has wisely said, this argument has gone on way too long, so let's bring this thread back to discussing the Great Race itself. Below are screencaps of what is widely considered the finest moment of the pie fight (by pie fetishists anyway, not sure if "normies" would agree...)