Since a mod deleted my message about Megan Jones being an animal abusing piece of shit, with the message "Woah, really? Maybe a subject for a different thread if you're really making this accusation?"

I figured I'd just post the evidence here, and not make some wild "accusation" in another thread about her.

https://gawker.com/second-fetish-model-arrested-in-animal-torture-porn-inv-1564450387

https://www.bradenton.com/news/local/crime/article34717635.html

Yes, it happened in 2014, and charges were dropped due to the statute of limitations running out, but just because something happened a few years back, doesn't make it less relevant, or make the person who perpetrated the act less of a sack of shit.

wow, that's despicable.

Thanks for posting this. I had no idea. I really thought she was gorgeous and was looking forward to buying the upcoming MG vid but this makes me pretty bummed.

I realize we all do dumb stuff as kids, and also plausible that Florida is full of crazy dudes getting you to do crazy stuff. But there's no way around the fact that is super sad.

Damn. This is pretty fucked up...

I'm not trying to hurt MessyGirl or their sales, but I think it's important for people to know this story, so they can decide if they want to support a certain model/producer or not.

If you're cool supporting Megan Jones, that's your choice, but I won't be spending a cent on anything with her in it.

Seriously: THANK you, VegasWAM for bringing this to our attention!

I'd be concerned about whether the producer who was involved is active here too, as these things probably don't happen in a vacuum.

For people's information, the films she made seem to be "Crush' films which are basically animal snuff films. Some poor animal is horribly killed on camera for some sick asshole's amusement.

VegasWam, first off this happened in 2004 not 2014, So get your facts straight. We had no idea about this when we hired her. She has worked for Lenny and Anglefan before she worked for us. So where were you then making your point? When she came to shoot for us, she brought her personal pet cat that she paid $1000 for. She is not an animal hater. So she made a mistake at age 20 when she started modeling. You never made mistakes at an early age?

Omg this is horrible and shocking. I hope that person gets what they deserve!

I was not aware of this when she shot before, and regardless of the date, she still tortured and killed animals. So maybe get that fact straight.

Wow, she used a bunch of money to buy a cat, that sure proves she doesn't do horrible things.

Of course I've made mistakes in my youth, but I've never killed or tortured animals, especially on camera for someone to get off to.

Seems you're pretty defensive about this.

I cannot tell anybody what to do with regards to treating those (those who paid Megan Jones & the others responsible for torturing & killing these innocent animals) who did some really bad, that they were arrested & punished for, & probably feel really bad about.
When I first read VegasWam's report, my first thought that it took place yesterday.
Did not realize it was years ago.

One of my best friends is a vegan trucker: she says long ago she hunted animals & feels
really bad about it now.

I am not into endless shaming. (I'm not really into shaming, at all, but I am into threatening,
when it comes to politicians who make & unmake & break laws & who threaten political parties or war against other countries all the time.) But that's just me.

But, I AM into making the next, right practical decision, and make no apologies about:
ending the same amount of per capita (per individual) torture & suffering & pain
as this this Megan Jones case, but inflicted upon billions of equally innocent animals,
forced against their will by forcibly raping/forced insemination of OTHER innocent animals,
to breed, in the mass torture & murder & abuse of innocent animals in factory farms

Habit, tradition, culture is not an excuse. Bleeding hearts whine about the loss such trivial things when those things are used to inflict massive suffering.

Unless going vegetarian or vegan is causing a person an equal or greater amount of suffering than the animals suffer, until biocultured meat becomes widespread, the abuse of animals in factory farming & for meat & fur, is just as bad for the animals, per capita, as whatever Megan Jones was arrested for 20 years ago, & those who contribute to it are just as responsible for that abuse, & should be stopped, & for just as nearly unnecessary & trivial a reason as gaining sexual thrills.

So, whoever I find giving resistance to making the next, right practical
(for the benefit of the innocent, whether animals or whomever) decision
is my next enemy/opponent.

Wow, that's some proper serial killer shit right there in that first link. I'm not sure you can put 'murdering and torturing animals' down as a mistake of youth, that's the acts of a disturbed person.

I thought your post was tedious and left-footed -- you're not going to successfully rally people behind a niche thread by shaming the people in it to hold an even more niche belief -- but I don't recall anything about its contents that was worth being censored.

The only thing I might say is don't post twice in a row, as that makes it look like thread spam / thread bumping.

Skipping a lot of details here but MPV had an opportunity to work with her back in the day and learned about her twisted work before it became public knowledge. That made her radioactive in Dave's book just for business purposes. As critter lovers we doubly hated on her anyway.

I have kinda mixed feelings on this...kinda. From what I'm reading, she was 29 when it happened. There's zero excuse for that at that age. I'm not saying there's an acceptable age for animal abuse but your brain is still forming until age 25.

Then you have to ask yourself if she only stopped doing these kinds of vids because she got caught. Because if she felt harming animal was wrong, she'd have declined the offer.

With that said, I also believe everyone in life deserved a second chance. How long should anyone be punished? The goal is to reform but if you reform yet no one will accept it then what's the reason to reform.

With all of that said, as a producer, it's not something I'd be able to get past and would not book her for anything.

I think she was 20 when it happened, just not arrested till 29, by which point the statute of limitations in that state for that kind of crime had expired, hence she was then released.

Agree with you on rehabilitation, rather than punishment, should be the goal of criminal justice, as that's the best way to reduce crime overall over the longer term.

Complex issue with no simple solutions.

I beg to differ - Simple issue with simple solutions. She and anyone she knowingly worked for become a pariah within the industry. Her stuff won't sell and she never works. All of this is publicized through every means possible. Think it will happen again?

I'm not really sure what you mean by "she never works." She's one of the most in-demand session wrestling girls in the county and is booked solid coast to coast.

Yeah I know. I'm a contradiction because I deplore the "cancel culture" that destroys people based on their past. At the same time I can find no way to overlook the absolute evil of what she's done. I've got the feeling that if more were aware of this then she wouldn't be so popular. Is that right? Guess I'd like to let the world know and then let them decide.

Disclaimer: I fully get it that MG wasn't aware of her past when they commissioned her to do a video. And I have nothing whatsoever against them and fully intend to buy some of their graphic novels as soon as I'm gainfully employed once more!

But y'know? When I was a broke-ass twentysomething, I dumpster-dived for food, I was a paid lab rat at the medical research lab, I curbsided furniture...but it would'a been a cold, dark day in hell before I stomped some helpless fish and rats into the hereafter.

(Edited because I was concerned my wrasslin' match post might be misconstrued as a threat, and I didn't intend it as such whatsoever.)

That comment was actually about criminal justice and retrebution vs rehabilitation in general, rather than this specific case. And I know it's a hard call, someone commits crime against me my gut reaction is I want the bastard hanging from a lamp-post and sprayed down with burning napalm. But I also know that won't actually solve the problem and that what may seem as "soft" sollutions tend to actually be better at reducing crime overall. A very large and complex field of study, with no absolutely right answers.

As to this particular model, while a "total outage" approach might dent her income (TBH I doubt it would stop her entirely, lots of people will just look the other way when there's a good wank in the offing), she probably isn't the one you really want. The real villian here is the person who wanted to produce those scenes in the first place, they are the one who planned and enabled it, and you can be sure as long as they are in business they'll just keep finding more desperate young women in poverty or worse and getting them to repeat the scenes. Most won't go on to be successful anywhere else, so what they've done will never be known outside the circles of people who are into such stuff.

VegasWam I was not defending her actions, I was just stating her current situation at this time of her life. We had no idea what she did at age 20 when we hired her at age 36. We just knew she had worked for other wam producers and had been in the fetish biz for over 15 years. Yes, the scum producer who took advantage of a young Cuban woman who had just arrived to the states, needs to have the light shined on him. I seriously doubt she responded to a print ad he posted that he was looking for models to kill living things. No paper would have allowed that, not even an underground paper. I've been in this business for over 24 years and know what many models have to deal with when it comes to a piece of shit pervert producer that will do the bait and switch when they arrive. Models have been physical abused and molested in many despicable ways, and unfortunately, this has also hit home in the wam community as we all know. I think what she did is awful, but knowing this business, she was in a situation that gave her no outs at the time of her life.

Honestly, this is one of those things where you should go "fuck it", throw civility out the window and render all knowingly and directly involved as pariahs and to hell with any claims of "kink shaming".
There's already plenty of self-righteous wankers targeting people for legitimately trivial stuff and ruining their lives (see: twitter mobs and malicious woke assholes) so i wonder why they cant devote any of that wasted energy to screwing with people who actually deserve it.

i guess the sideline is that with all of this coming out, chances are they are probably already considered persona non grata, or will be, by the industry (except probably the same sick branch that makes and gets off on this kind of twisted shit).

Good post. As a producer, I don't even know the real name of the models I work with until they show up at the shoot. Then we do the paperwork. It's unrealistic that any model I have not yet worked with is gonna send me her real name in advance - they have safety concerns too.

Then, I'm sorry, but it's not my job, even when I take her ID and do the the paperwork to say "Ok, now everyone hold on while I do an internet search and criminal background check."

It's also relevant that you brought up shitty producers. There's no shortage of them. Some are worse than others...much much worse and I can imagine that any producer who wants live animals killed also might be dangerous.

What does indeed happen to many models (the models I work with will tell you all about it) is being asked to do things that are clearly over the line once they're at the shoot.

Then, it can get dicey. Imagine a 20 year old nervous model alone with a man in a hotel room and things start to go sideways. Models have been raped at shoots.

I'm not letting her off the hook, but there's always two sides to every story and we back back to the fact that as a producer I'm not running checks on the models I work with. Sorry...it's just not something I do or will ever do.

It's a reasonable point about the power dynamic between an older, established producer who clearly had a history of this stuff and a 20 year old model who was new to the business. Also, it doesn't look like anything Megan Jones has done since has even hinted in that direction, so it's likely not any inclination of hers. I'd still feel some wariness on reading this history, but it doesn't feel like a simple thing to reach a decision on.