Not to mention most of the people commenting on here probably don't buy content, customs or otherwise.

A saying my mom taught me as a child was "The most vocal critics usually sit in the cheapest seats".

This is awesome!

Noted

I didn't see all the body-shaming in this thread till after i posted.

I just want to add, BBWs are beautiful and i actively look for BBWs doing WAM

To me anybody who loves WAM regardless of shape, size, looks, tattoos whatever is welcome.

I think we can all agree that biggest turn off is people judging people for their likes or looks.

Opinions, that's what it is. We all like different things, not everyone can like the same stuff, outside WAM, I don't like beetroot, cucumber, the X factor, Eastenders, Ed Sheeran and so it goes...

I can't stand tattoos, but that's just me, some people like them, each to their own...

My biggest fustration is seeing great looking mud videos and they only feature men. >_>

The anarchist in me sees the humor in this. But the intellectual in me recognizes the sociopathy in it as well. When the narrative gets out of control, just change the story in your mind, good plan

These days it kinda feels like to get a brand new professionally made video of a pretty woman, wearing a nice summer dress, getting gunged with bright green semi-transparent gunge, while sitting on a chair, I'd have to order a custom.

I feel there's a decently sized segment of this forum whose specific needs were being met 10-15 years ago and aren't being met now. Maybe I've just got more particular about what I enjoy, I don't know.

Am I alone in thinking these sorts of threads are kind of healthy?

I guess whether a custom is waranted or not will depend on how specific the requirement is. Attractive girls in nice summer clothing of various kinds getting messy - I know I've done that and I guess other producers have too, as it's pretty mainstream - though I think in my case our girls have tended to do it more in mud, with playsuits, shors, or minidresses.

Also producers tend to shoot a combination of what works for them personally, and what sells. Which is going to skew things somewhat. Going back 10 or 15 years, would have been the heyday of Gungegirls I think, who released new scenes of girls sitting on chairs getting gunged with actual gunge on a very frequent basis, but I don't think I've seen a promo for them for some time now?

Because the overall scene and marketplace is so small, the comings and goings of individual producers or sponsors can make a big impact in the kind of material that's produced. If I ever give up production, I imagine there will be rather fewer girls getting messy in boilersuits and overalls, for example, likewise the whole shiny sports shorts phenomenon is largely down to one person who provided the shorts to multiple different producers (including us) to use in scenes.


I kind of feel this thread derailed rather badly away from the intent of the original question, which I took to be looking for opinions that were unpopular (or at least uncommon) across the community in general. Not individual preferences like skirts vs trousers or long hair vs short hair, but more genuinely unusual viewpoints. We did get a few in the first few pages, like someone who doesn't regard mud as WAM, that the "I don't know" trigger thing has been over-used to death, someone who didn't think PVC was sexy, my comment about never having really understoof pie-in-the-face on its own as erotic, and the (two I think) people who made the case that pee-play should be regarded as part of wam.

Unfortunately those kind of posts soon got buried under the tide of personal preferences, and then some some truly horrendous views and sweeping statements were made and it turned into a train-wreck.

I do think the thread may have been instructive in that hopefully a few people were made to stop and think about what they were saying by the reaction of female participants, so perhaps not a total loss, and I know MM prefers to let things like this run so people can learn from them rather than locking or deleting at the first hint of trouble.

It depends on what they regularly shoot. If a producer typically shoots outdoors for the sake of it being easier to manage and they might not have the budget for decent lighting but you reach out saying you prefer indoor locations which will probably be more labor intensive, more costly as now they have to find the venue and equipment to shoot such a scene, then YES, you need to pay for that. Time to film, location, models desired, even the amount of mess all play a factor in what the producer needs to pay out of pocket to make the whole thing come together. Rule of thumb is If it is beyond what they typically do for their stock offerings, then yes, expect your request to fall under a custom.

This is my point (and possibly an actual unpopular wam opinion): my preference sounds like it should be mainstream, but when I look at what's actually available to buy, it isn't.

The conclusion is that as a model and producer, these threads are a completely different experience and it's degrading. People in this thread are completely trashing how some of us look, how some of us are trying to break into producing content, and the kind of content we're producing. I'm sick of listening to what people don't like about the hard work and fucking money we're spending to make this content. There's nothing beneficial, nothing productive or constructive about this kind of thread. And since you didn't seem to read the earlier comment from the OP, he was trying to cause dissension in this community, he outright admitted this was the purpose of this entire thread. So for you, you're admitting things you like that others may not, but that's not what everyone on this thread has been doing, and it's really hurtful and unfair to others in this community. It is entirely without compassion, and really degrading.

The other thing you need to be educated on is that pirating is an issue in this community. I'm not just making loose accusations, I've had my stuff pirated, and so have most of the producers here. It's so common its almost proverbial. There are Instagram accounts that blatantly do this. They call themselves fan accounts, but they're not just appreciation posts. They post photos of the scenes they bought and tell people to dm them for the video. These accounts used to follow me and when I followed them back, I'm seeing them post my friends and fellow producers content and offering to sell their videos. It happens on Twitter too. You report the account, it gets shut down and then another one pops up immediately. And a few years ago, I was alerted to a certain subreddit forum that I was able to view where there were an alarming number of members from here that had a whole fucking scheme planned on how they are pirating our content so that they don't all have to pay for it. It is also a practice on this subreddit to make these suggestions publicly to create the content they want to see to make producers think this is what is in demand and it's a good way to avoid paying for a custom. This was something that was already exposed in the producers forum, so I don't know if this subreddit still exists.

So this is what I'm addressing in my post, this is what I'm calling out. And because the OP admitted he was just starting shit, I know I was right.

I thought that reply was sarcasm. It certainly reads as such:


As if anyone would seriously think a thread about opinions would bring down the whole site.

I mean, it might be sarcasm, but unless he specifies, it might actually be literal. I'd prefer he be a little more sensitive to the people who have been offended by this thread rather than flippant. That doesn't feel very compassionate.

A positive effect of it is that it's challenged some assumptions of what WAM fans like, and made people realise they're not alone in not liking something others seem to rave about.

People calling for a maximum of 3-4 pies certainly surprises me. Provided there's some variety in the pies, their delivery and the model's reactions, I think the more the merrier. Then again I have seen some clips where the pies are a bit bland and after the first couple they're not really adding anything.

But yeah, it turned into some dog-whistle digs at certain producers and mean comments about models. If you're getting angry about someone daring to call themself a model just because you don't find them attractive, that's on you, sorry.

Agree with you on that. I guess people realised that they were posting genuinely unpopular opinions when people didn't like those opinions.

These kind of situations are why I am in favor of streaming type services for WAM. But, the cost involved is pretty hefty to make every attempt to protect the stream. There would still be ways to pirate things along the reaction video line. But it is a lot more of a pain that just copying files to a torrent site. Or even a system of DRM where you had to enter a password that is verified on the back end and that the password can be turned off at any time. Yes there are even ways to bypass that. Short of streaming things in a masturbation shop where you rent the video I don't know how to avoid the situation. It is real shitty that producers have to fight this and I don't know how they keep up with it. I remember that a few years ago when there was a massive movie dump around Oscar time it was revealed that the studios had watermarked the videos that were sent out with the name of the person they were sent to and that you had to use special software to see the watermark so they knew who was sending things out. Unfortunately nothing ever came of that either. I know that a some of the major movie theaters stream the movies that they get. That there is a back end server that controls the times the movies are allowed to be shown. If you have ever watched anything from Fandango, that is how it is done and it is controlled with hopper units that are owned by dish that Fandango basically rents.

What happened to all the mud wrestling. There used to be a lot of it on here now it seems theres only one dedicated producer who does mud wrestling content and Club MPV who releases videos shot decades ago. Other than that nothing. Maybe someone sharing a youtube link but other than that nothing.

Ok, REALLY?! LOL. GLAM, Us, there is a couple of others on here as well. Take your pick!

You seem a bit all over the place today. Earlier it was fun. But that is ok, some threads are hard threads to go through. Hopefully tomorrow will feel better for you.

My unpopular WAM opinions are...

1 - Producers saying their models are wearing jeans and they turn out to be leggings with a jeans print...

2 - AI WAM. NOT good, as the faces and eyes are horribly distorted, although there have been a very small amount of pics that have been acceptable.

3 - Goggles. JUST DON'T!

4 - Videos where the producers only have pics of what their models are wearing on the top half and never the bottom half.

A lot of it's crap. Some of us know what we are doing

That's probably the singular most popular WAM opinion!

Not just this site. Seen quite a few piss, scat and ABDL folks popping up in other WAM spaces.

To be honest that's been a problem since the days of usenet, as "Wet And Messy" can be interpreted a variety of ways. The original wish was for a newsgroup for "sploshing" which would have been more descriptive but various ubergeeks had a problem with that being too close to the name of Splosh! magazine, and there were rules about not naming newsgroups after commercial entities, hence wet-and-messy as a fallback, which gave us WAM as the acronym, and confusion has reigned ever since.

Not seen much mention of watersports here, other than a couple of posts in this thread saying it should be included, which were answered (by me) as "won't happen, billing companies would shut the site down if we allowed it."

If you do encounter what you think might be piss or scat content anywhere on UMD, use the Report links (thumbs-down symbol in some places) to flag it to admin, we'll nuke anything that is (or appears to be) that kind of content, as it's absolutely not allowed here.

That is why I love vintage and retro WAM.
A well dressed 1940s woman getting messed up by a guy, is better to me than some of the recent stuff.

Not keen on self WAM, or shaving foam.

Custard is the spawn of the devil.

That's kinda true for me. Like first Human Garbage Disposal scene was like an amazing novelty. but now Human Garbage Disposal is the baseline for me. pie in the face or basic sliming is like nothing.

I do not find this to be true for me. I like what I like and someone making content with dog food or fish guts to serve whatever disordered impulse they are afflicted with does not move me an inch toward enjoying such content.

Then again, I have never understood the "humiliation" angle that so many here seem to be so enthusiastic about. For me, WAM is tactile, visual and playful. I cannot grasp how something that someone willingly participates in is "humiliating".

Now, if I make my girl pay the pizza delivery guy with a load of my cum on her face, or "slut" written on her forehead in lipstick I understand that may be humiliating to her
vis-vis the pizza guy, but if I push her face into a cake while doing her doggie-style that's an act of trust, passion and vulnerability.

What a great discussion

- not a great fan of red gunge or slime (makes it look like a horror movie)