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"Unpopular WAM opinions"
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VanillaXSlime said:
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
WAMOptimist93 said: Not surprised to see this thread has devolved into the gatekeeping behavior that is all too typical for some of the longtime members of this site (in terms of downright attacking producers and women's bodies, tattoos, etc.).
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
Don't like women shutting their eyes or keeping them closed after the gunging. The reaction from the eyes is part of the humiliation.
Perhaps it's me as a gay chap of plus size (UK XL shirt) but when you get to see skinny lads in their 20s in videos - for a split moment it's good but ultimately does very little for me. Now a more rougher bloke, stubble, a few extra pounds and bingo. There was a video with a lad called Jamie recently on Messy world lads , bit of a jack the lad type, rough and that's ideal - bit like my type in real life.
I mean I kind of like some of the more commercial lads but to me that's what they are. Commercial.
I mean I kind of like some of the more commercial lads but to me that's what they are. Commercial.
GungedHairFan said:
...coming soon... ::holds a cat:: ...the messiest video ever made...
I kid I kid...but when you pick up a cat, you got cat hair all over ya...there's probably someone out there who is into that. Cat hair on clothes fetish.
Jayce said:
if you have to clean it off, isnt it messy?
if you have to clean it off, isnt it messy?
...coming soon... ::holds a cat:: ...the messiest video ever made...
I kid I kid...but when you pick up a cat, you got cat hair all over ya...there's probably someone out there who is into that. Cat hair on clothes fetish. Looking at the word 'messy' within the context of wam, cat hair wouldn't be included, as it's neither wet or messy as a material. It's dry. Example: Empty cake boxes all over a bed would be messy in a general context, but cakes all over a bed would be messy in the wam context.
CKCP said:
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
VanillaXSlime said:
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
WAMOptimist93 said: Not surprised to see this thread has devolved into the gatekeeping behavior that is all too typical for some of the longtime members of this site (in terms of downright attacking producers and women's bodies, tattoos, etc.).
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
There are unpopular opinions, and then there's making shit up. You've strayed into that territory.
All flesh is equal when gunged.
Messmaster said:
There was no doubt this thread would draw out some strong preferences against BBW models. That's ok, but to judge them as not caring for themselves is not really a personal opinion, it's prejudging a community of people. You don't really know why they're that big, and a lot of us like meat! Also some prefer realism to the dolled-up look. To call them "models" in quotes, as if no-one else should even objectively consider them models, or to say they're doing it to mislead somebody? That's projecting an agenda onto people just because they're big.
Why does it have to go there?
Bobographer said: If someone who isn't model-material wants to wam and sell videos, that's great, but please stop referring to them as 'models'... I'm referring to the really out-of-shape, no makeup, no attention to hair or even smiling or having any expression at all being referred to as 'models'... Again, the 'ordinary girl next door' can still do wam videos, but without the 'model' title to mislead the potential purchaser.
simplepies99 said: I like curvy women just fine, but morbidly obese, not so much... In fact, if a "model's" appearance tells me they don't care much about their health
There was no doubt this thread would draw out some strong preferences against BBW models. That's ok, but to judge them as not caring for themselves is not really a personal opinion, it's prejudging a community of people. You don't really know why they're that big, and a lot of us like meat! Also some prefer realism to the dolled-up look. To call them "models" in quotes, as if no-one else should even objectively consider them models, or to say they're doing it to mislead somebody? That's projecting an agenda onto people just because they're big.
Why does it have to go there? I'm not against BBW models, they are just not my preference. Some take the time to do hair, makeup, etc. and look awesome, and the title 'model' fits. I'm not talking about over-done makeup, just enough applied to enhance a woman's appearance, the way 99% of the female population does. If a wondeful BBW wants to shoot wam videos, that's great. My only point was in their producer referring to them as a 'model' when we all know that the word implies some level of attention placed on how they look, even if it's just minor makeup and fixing their hair. If they are the BBW next door, then just say so. That was all I was saying, not at all to be 'projecting an agenda' onto them in any way.
VanillaXSlime said:
There are unpopular opinions, and then there's making shit up. You've strayed into that territory.
CKCP said:
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
VanillaXSlime said:
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
WAMOptimist93 said: Not surprised to see this thread has devolved into the gatekeeping behavior that is all too typical for some of the longtime members of this site (in terms of downright attacking producers and women's bodies, tattoos, etc.).
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
There are unpopular opinions, and then there's making shit up. You've strayed into that territory.
Hmmm, in what way? 56% of young women now have tattoos:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/08/15/tattoo-usa-one-third-of-americans-have-ink-as-industry-projected-to-hit-4-billion/?sh=15739b3621e0
If you can point me to "such vocal hatred" in this thread that outweighs pro-tattoo statements, I would like to see it. Look, I get it, tattooed folks like to see themselves as rebels, as being under attack. "Hey, man, you just can't accept my ink!" You see people who don't like tattoos as "the man" or "the establishment" but it ain't true anymore my friend. If you are not the majority, you soon will be. Embrace it. People in this thread who state they don't like tattoos are stating AN UNPOPULAR OPINION IN THE WAM WORLD.
I wanted to get in on the 'wasting food' debate.
Ok, if I were to buy a pie and eat the whole thing, it would be unhealthy for me, but I wouldn't be wasting it. Yet if I bought the same pie to play with, I would be 'wasting' it.
This is like spending money on entertainment, such as going to a movie. One person won't 'waste' their money on overpriced popcorn, drinks and a movie, where another person will not feel it is a waste.
It's the same with wam. If I had the money and opportunity to buy gallons and gallons of honey and hire a model to shoot a video with, is it a waste? It's many things. It would bring me happiness, it could make money from video sales, but it's not 'wasting' because it was put to use. Not the use it may have been intended for, but a use, nonetheless.
What about when a film is made in Hollywood, but it bombs? They may have spent many millions and destroyed cars and buildings in the process, yet we don't consider anything wasted, because it was used in an artistic manner.
Same with wam substances. We all use them in artistic manners, or self-gratifying manners, similar to buying cigarettes or alcohol, or anything else we desire.
So, no, to me using food products in wam is not wasting.
Ok, if I were to buy a pie and eat the whole thing, it would be unhealthy for me, but I wouldn't be wasting it. Yet if I bought the same pie to play with, I would be 'wasting' it.
This is like spending money on entertainment, such as going to a movie. One person won't 'waste' their money on overpriced popcorn, drinks and a movie, where another person will not feel it is a waste.
It's the same with wam. If I had the money and opportunity to buy gallons and gallons of honey and hire a model to shoot a video with, is it a waste? It's many things. It would bring me happiness, it could make money from video sales, but it's not 'wasting' because it was put to use. Not the use it may have been intended for, but a use, nonetheless.
What about when a film is made in Hollywood, but it bombs? They may have spent many millions and destroyed cars and buildings in the process, yet we don't consider anything wasted, because it was used in an artistic manner.
Same with wam substances. We all use them in artistic manners, or self-gratifying manners, similar to buying cigarettes or alcohol, or anything else we desire.
So, no, to me using food products in wam is not wasting.
Bobographer said: I'm not against BBW models, they are just not my preference. Some take the time to do hair, makeup, etc. and look awesome, and the title 'model' fits. I'm not talking about over-done makeup, just enough applied to enhance a woman's appearance, the way 99% of the female population does. If a wondeful BBW wants to shoot wam videos, that's great. My only point was in their producer referring to them as a 'model' when we all know that the word implies some level of attention placed on how they look, even if it's just minor makeup and fixing their hair. If they are the BBW next door, then just say so. That was all I was saying, not at all to be 'projecting an agenda' onto them in any way.
Sorry but you are totally wrong about this.
A model, in the fetish context, is any person who performs on camera in a fetish scene. So anyone who participates in a wam scene is by definition a wam model.
You are entitled to your preferences, all of us are. But none of us are entitled to deny someone else's rightful title and job description.
Given every scene offered for sale usually has both a description and preview pics, you can easily just skip past anything you're not interested in, as any of us can. I have less than zero interest in nude scenes but I don't demand that nude scene producers are banned from claiming to be selling wam scenes.
Anyone appearing in a wam scene is, by definition, a model.
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Yirma said: How are there people on here making comments about folks hair, tattoos and weight? That's not a wam opinion that's just you're terrible personal opinion. It's 2024 ffs.
Jesus Christ!! Nobody has pointed out anyone's tattoos ! It is OK not to like tattoos. Nobody has said, "Hey Yirma, your tattoo of Calvin pissing on a Ford logo sucks!" They have just said they prefer models with no tattoos.
Some people don't like short hair on models, some people do. Some people like thin models, some like curvy. It is just preference.
You might say, "I would prefer not to see middle-aged men, with beer bellies appearing in my WAM." Guess what? OK. No surprise there. So why is it an affront when someone says they don't like tattoos.
By the way, you might not like middle-aged guys with beer bellies NORMALLY, but you haven't seen me in a speedo dumping gunge on my head...
DungeonMasterOne said:
Sorry but you are totally wrong about this.
A model, in the fetish context, is any person who performs on camera in a fetish scene. So anyone who participates in a wam scene is by definition a wam model.
You are entitled to your preferences, all of us are. But none of us are entitled to deny someone else's rightful title and job description.
Given every scene offered for sale usually has both a description and preview pics, you can easily just skip past anything you're not interested in, as any of us can. I have less than zero interest in nude scenes but I don't demand that nude scene producers are banned from claiming to be selling wam scenes.
Anyone appearing in a wam scene is, by definition, a model.
Bobographer said: I'm not against BBW models, they are just not my preference. Some take the time to do hair, makeup, etc. and look awesome, and the title 'model' fits. I'm not talking about over-done makeup, just enough applied to enhance a woman's appearance, the way 99% of the female population does. If a wondeful BBW wants to shoot wam videos, that's great. My only point was in their producer referring to them as a 'model' when we all know that the word implies some level of attention placed on how they look, even if it's just minor makeup and fixing their hair. If they are the BBW next door, then just say so. That was all I was saying, not at all to be 'projecting an agenda' onto them in any way.
Sorry but you are totally wrong about this.
A model, in the fetish context, is any person who performs on camera in a fetish scene. So anyone who participates in a wam scene is by definition a wam model.
You are entitled to your preferences, all of us are. But none of us are entitled to deny someone else's rightful title and job description.
Given every scene offered for sale usually has both a description and preview pics, you can easily just skip past anything you're not interested in, as any of us can. I have less than zero interest in nude scenes but I don't demand that nude scene producers are banned from claiming to be selling wam scenes.
Anyone appearing in a wam scene is, by definition, a model.
1000000000000% This right here
There is absolutely no need for the body shaming what so ever
OK so I'm not gonna comment on anyone's looks or size because that is being hurtful, rather then a unpopular opinion.
For me it's looking up when being gunged. I know a lot of people love it but, I like to see the reaction on the person's face!
That's my unpopular WAM opinion, I think just remember that commenting on people's body's is not nice. A lot of people, both men and women struggle with body confidence, wam helps them to Embracetheir Sexiness
Also models have feelings and commenting on their bodies will make them feel like crap! That goes for male and female models, who I feel are amazing and bring us great wam content
For me it's looking up when being gunged. I know a lot of people love it but, I like to see the reaction on the person's face!
That's my unpopular WAM opinion, I think just remember that commenting on people's body's is not nice. A lot of people, both men and women struggle with body confidence, wam helps them to Embracetheir Sexiness
Also models have feelings and commenting on their bodies will make them feel like crap! That goes for male and female models, who I feel are amazing and bring us great wam content
CKCP said:
Jesus Christ!! Nobody has pointed out anyone's tattoos ! It is OK not to like tattoos. Nobody has said, "Hey Yirma, your tattoo of Calvin pissing on a Ford logo sucks!" They have just said they prefer models with no tattoos.
Some people don't like short hair on models, some people do. Some people like thin models, some like curvy. It is just preference.
You might say, "I would prefer not to see middle-aged men, with beer bellies appearing in my WAM." Guess what? OK. No surprise there. So why is it an affront when someone says they don't like tattoos.
By the way, you might not like middle-aged guys with beer bellies NORMALLY, but you haven't seen me in a speedo dumping gunge on my head...
Yirma said: How are there people on here making comments about folks hair, tattoos and weight? That's not a wam opinion that's just you're terrible personal opinion. It's 2024 ffs.
Jesus Christ!! Nobody has pointed out anyone's tattoos ! It is OK not to like tattoos. Nobody has said, "Hey Yirma, your tattoo of Calvin pissing on a Ford logo sucks!" They have just said they prefer models with no tattoos.
Some people don't like short hair on models, some people do. Some people like thin models, some like curvy. It is just preference.
You might say, "I would prefer not to see middle-aged men, with beer bellies appearing in my WAM." Guess what? OK. No surprise there. So why is it an affront when someone says they don't like tattoos.
By the way, you might not like middle-aged guys with beer bellies NORMALLY, but you haven't seen me in a speedo dumping gunge on my head...
Calm down dude. If you read the full thread there are, not specifics like your calvin and Hobbs tattoo, classic btw, no one's that dumb to name specific performers or specific tattoos at least. I get people do or don't like tattoos, fine, but that is someone's body so why do people feel the need to comment about here in a borderline authoritarian and horrid way. Body parts aren't an unpopular wam opinion that's just someone's body, have the common curiosity to be respectful .One instance on this thread where the webmaster stepped in, calling out someone who commented about ' obese "models"'. The hair comment I saw was not about length, it was about brades. This should be a safe space for everyone and if you come on here and comment bs like obese people are a definite no and brades are disgusting then that's not really acceptable in my opinion. I know guys get it as well but I'm just sick of predominantly men commenting on mainly women's bodies. The point being if you don't like the way someone looks that not an unpopular wam opinion that's you comment on people's bodies, to what end? You don't have to watch stuff you don't like. It's the old classic if you ain't got nothing nice to say don't say anything especially relating to people's bodies. Talk to me all day long about your wam opinions and if you think a pie is foam on a plate or if savoury is too much or if sex is a part of it or not and sexual preferences but why comment about people's bodies, everyone's out here trying their best
SecretSquelcher said: My biggest fears at my favourite mudspot are:
a) spooking an innocent passer by who's them traumatised at seeing a mudmonster they didn't expect on their dog walk
b) someone spotting me in the (tidal) goo and dialling 999 because they think I'm stuck - giving me surprise company in the form of the local rescue service.
A quick search of local news articles for the area in which I play reveal that I'm in no way paranoid in having these thoughts - there's been several reports of people in distress with nobody found, which are quite clearly relating to mudders. Plus something more sinister on the TV years ago, same area, a guy pretending to be stuck and luring women passers by to his 'help' before asking if they were having fun "Police believe the incidents to be sexually motivated".
Every time I go there, to a location with the second biggest tide in the World, I'm risking all sorts, so I'd disagree that it's not rebellious.
a) spooking an innocent passer by who's them traumatised at seeing a mudmonster they didn't expect on their dog walk
b) someone spotting me in the (tidal) goo and dialling 999 because they think I'm stuck - giving me surprise company in the form of the local rescue service.
A quick search of local news articles for the area in which I play reveal that I'm in no way paranoid in having these thoughts - there's been several reports of people in distress with nobody found, which are quite clearly relating to mudders. Plus something more sinister on the TV years ago, same area, a guy pretending to be stuck and luring women passers by to his 'help' before asking if they were having fun "Police believe the incidents to be sexually motivated".
Every time I go there, to a location with the second biggest tide in the World, I'm risking all sorts, so I'd disagree that it's not rebellious.
That part B is just nuts!!! Anyone luring someone into a situation just to trap them no matter what their motivations are should be seen as assault and or kidnapping depending on if they can get out and leave. They should be charged etc.
I will totally own I did smile a little bit at the reaction from the authorities when they get to the site to find it is just someone enjoying a good mud bath.
Tattoos or no tattoos, nothing to do with WAM. What classifies a model, nothing to do with WAM. Hating on people because of their looks, nothing to do with WAM.
Despite my opinion about mud, I would hope that no one uses that as a reason to not enjoy mud. Just because I don't enjoy it or I don't classify it, don't stop your enjoyment. Make the content you like, experience the WAM you like. If you are selling stuff let the sales speak for themselves. There are a lot of producers out there that make a lot of content that includes some of the opinions in this thread. They continue to make that content because they enjoy it, their models enjoy it, it sells, or any combination of those 3 and other factors. For every WAM related opinion in this thread there are at least 5 other people that feel the exact opposite. There is nothing wrong with that.
Despite my opinion about mud, I would hope that no one uses that as a reason to not enjoy mud. Just because I don't enjoy it or I don't classify it, don't stop your enjoyment. Make the content you like, experience the WAM you like. If you are selling stuff let the sales speak for themselves. There are a lot of producers out there that make a lot of content that includes some of the opinions in this thread. They continue to make that content because they enjoy it, their models enjoy it, it sells, or any combination of those 3 and other factors. For every WAM related opinion in this thread there are at least 5 other people that feel the exact opposite. There is nothing wrong with that.
CKCP said:
Hmmm, in what way? 56% of young women now have tattoos:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/08/15/tattoo-usa-one-third-of-americans-have-ink-as-industry-projected-to-hit-4-billion/?sh=15739b3621e0
VanillaXSlime said:
There are unpopular opinions, and then there's making shit up. You've strayed into that territory.
CKCP said:
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
VanillaXSlime said:
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
WAMOptimist93 said: Not surprised to see this thread has devolved into the gatekeeping behavior that is all too typical for some of the longtime members of this site (in terms of downright attacking producers and women's bodies, tattoos, etc.).
The fact that there's such a vocal hatred for tattoos (not just here, mind) is exactly why "tattoos are hot" feels like a genuinely unpopular opinion. Especially since it reads like more than just a preference, but outright vitriol.
This is actually the opposite of what occurred in this thread. I think, maybe 3 people stated a dislike for tattoos. In response about 10 people have stated that they LURV tattoos. Tattoo people seem very sensitive about people not liking tattoos. It ain't a personal attack, just stating an opinion, which we are allowed to do. Also, you should note, that a very rough estimate of the number of female WAM models with tattoos runs about 65%. Note the title of this thread "Unpopular WAM opinions"-- an unpopular WAM opinion is preferring no tattoos. Apparently a POPULAR WAM opinion is tattoos are either peachy or awesome.
There are unpopular opinions, and then there's making shit up. You've strayed into that territory.
Hmmm, in what way? 56% of young women now have tattoos:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/08/15/tattoo-usa-one-third-of-americans-have-ink-as-industry-projected-to-hit-4-billion/?sh=15739b3621e0
Not quite. How many of those women in the article are models? I know a plethora of women in the industry who have trouble landing gigs because of their tattoos. Conversely, I know women who despite wanting to get tattoos, are afraid to because it may cost them work. I even know producers and photographers alike who refuse to work with women with any sort of body art including tattoos, piercings, brands, etc. Why do you think most model sites have a section for models to put this information on their profiles?
Has it gotten more acceptable? Yes. Is it mainstream? Not really.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Not quite. How many of those women in the article are models? I know a plethora of women in the industry who have trouble landing gigs because of their tattoos. Conversely, I know women who despite wanting to get tattoos, are afraid to because it may cost them work. I even know producers and photographers alike who refuse to work with women with any sort of body art including tattoos, piercings, brands, etc. Why do you think most model sites have a section for models to put this information on their profiles?
Has it gotten more acceptable? Yes. Is it mainstream? Not really.
As a producer running 3 large fetish Patreons and 1 fetish Gumroad I can 100% confirm that most (as in an overwhelming majority) of my members cannot stand overly-tatted models and we simply cannot hire them or members will simply react by canceling. It's every model's absolute right to get as many tats as they want, and they also very much undertand that it will and does cost them a lot of work. Simply put, most guys find them ugly and off-putting. Don't kill the messenger. I have no problem with models who have tats or even a lot of tats, but I also have a business to run. The same goes to weight. Do most guys want to pay to see overweight women? Nope.
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Sorry but you are totally wrong about this.
A model, in the fetish context, is any person who performs on camera in a fetish scene. So anyone who participates in a wam scene is by definition a wam model.
You are entitled to your preferences, all of us are. But none of us are entitled to deny someone else's rightful title and job description.
Given every scene offered for sale usually has both a description and preview pics, you can easily just skip past anything you're not interested in, as any of us can. I have less than zero interest in nude scenes but I don't demand that nude scene producers are banned from claiming to be selling wam scenes.
Anyone appearing in a wam scene is, by definition, a model.
You're splitting some very fine hairs here. As a producer I only hire fetish models. That doesn't mean some IG girl who happened to film on fetish scene a few months back or someone's wife who appeared on camera.
Maybe this is just me, but I'm not that into certain types of clothes in sessions, but am also not that into nudity during sessions either. Maybe I'm just a bit vanilla when it comes to sessions but I prefer to just get pied wearing ordinary clothes.
I'm not completely against them. They're just not my go-to in a session
I'm not completely against them. They're just not my go-to in a session
SlapstickStuff said:
I'm fairly sure that everything I do in my videos has been disliked by someone in this thread already. (More than 3 pies a waste?? The horror!!) But as NEP said so eloquently, you gotta be true to yourself. I set a high bar for myself personally, and I know when I clear it.... And that's the best feeling in the world. Popularity is nice, but in the end, I'm really just trying to shoot the kind of content *I* like to see.... And then the rest follows....
I'm fairly sure that everything I do in my videos has been disliked by someone in this thread already. (More than 3 pies a waste?? The horror!!) But as NEP said so eloquently, you gotta be true to yourself. I set a high bar for myself personally, and I know when I clear it.... And that's the best feeling in the world. Popularity is nice, but in the end, I'm really just trying to shoot the kind of content *I* like to see.... And then the rest follows....
100%! At it's core, that's all you (or anyone for that matter) can do. All producers and models even are gonna have haters, skeptics and critics; myself included. I don't care about them. I am not here for them nor am I here to appease them. That's not my job.
My job is create and maintain a stable and safe environment for the women WHO ENTRUSTED ME with the task so I can create awesome content for the fans of our work and our custom client base who EQUALLY entrusted us to create something magical for them. The end.
If you keep your eyes on the skeptics then you lose the point of what brought us all to the dance, and moreover we take our eyes off the faithful who have stood by us since the beginning.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
My unpopular opinion?
There are only two kinds of WAM scene.
Scenes you like.
Scenes you don't.
And don't let anybody tell you you're wrong.
(And Honeysuckle saying "Ooh, you cheeky mare!" improves any scene)
There are only two kinds of WAM scene.
Scenes you like.
Scenes you don't.
And don't let anybody tell you you're wrong.
(And Honeysuckle saying "Ooh, you cheeky mare!" improves any scene)
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BlueMeanie said: My unpopular opinion?
There are only two kinds of WAM scene.
Scenes you like.
Scenes you don't.
And don't let anybody tell you you're wrong.
(And Honeysuckle saying "Ooh, you cheeky mare!" improves any scene)
There are only two kinds of WAM scene.
Scenes you like.
Scenes you don't.
And don't let anybody tell you you're wrong.
(And Honeysuckle saying "Ooh, you cheeky mare!" improves any scene)
I am liking this post, not because you're right but because your name is Blue Meanie and I had Blue World Order flashbacks from the ECW days
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Wamlanta said: .
- Off screen direction and random hairy arms pieing people isn't great. The off screen direction received the most criticism.
- Off screen direction and random hairy arms pieing people isn't great. The off screen direction received the most criticism.
Heh. This reminds of a video series involving two models, all filmed on the same day, but clearly one of the models had needed to leave early, and, for the final video, a male arm posed as the model's arm.
DungeonMasterOne said:
Agree with this but for different reasons - I couldn't care less about the face, I want to see what's going on down below. But if the producer would just put the camera on a tripod where it can see from top of head to mid-thighs and let the viewers choose where to look, everyone's happy.
A lot of people don't seem to realise, with a few exceptions, the zoom control is indended to be used to frame the shot **before shooting starts**, and should not usually then be zoomed during shooting.
Note though this thread is really meant for things that may be unpopular across the entire commuinty, rather than our individual pet peeves.
ABGamma said: * Zooming in is awful. I want to look where *I* want to look. It's not like resolution is an issue, just film a wide shot in 4k and upload. There is a certain producer who does AMAZING swimsuit fillings with great swimsuits and beautiful women, but constantly zooms in on the crotch when I also want to see the face... WAM is all about the emotions of the scene and zooming like that completely removes that element. I still pay for their stuff here and there, but it kills me every time.
Agree with this but for different reasons - I couldn't care less about the face, I want to see what's going on down below. But if the producer would just put the camera on a tripod where it can see from top of head to mid-thighs and let the viewers choose where to look, everyone's happy.
A lot of people don't seem to realise, with a few exceptions, the zoom control is indended to be used to frame the shot **before shooting starts**, and should not usually then be zoomed during shooting.
Note though this thread is really meant for things that may be unpopular across the entire commuinty, rather than our individual pet peeves.
I call it 1980s dad syndrome, where the dad would take his camcorder on holiday, point his camera at something, zoom in, zoom out, then point at something else, zoom in, zoom out...
To Flora French
Golly, I certainly did not mean to offend you or hurt your feelings or insult you in any way. I'm sorry for that. Please do not take what I said personally, it was never intended as such.
I think my post made clear that it is the over-use (not ALL use) of black underwear/lingerie that bugged me -- and THAT only in commercial wam videos (videos meant to be sold to a larger crowd, i.e., 'popular')...
I have NO problem or issue with amateur videos or those by individual wam afficionados featuring black underwear/lingerie. I've seen many such wam vids with the performer in black lingerie that I liked and thought were well done.
It is mostly an aesthetic thing for me -- but it is connected to a sense of eroticism, for sure.
I guess this thread did go off the rails a bit...but it asked for 'unpopular' opinions...so, since black is a popular 'color' choice, I offered my critique of the color (in the context of underwear/lingerie).
That's all.
Golly, I certainly did not mean to offend you or hurt your feelings or insult you in any way. I'm sorry for that. Please do not take what I said personally, it was never intended as such.
I think my post made clear that it is the over-use (not ALL use) of black underwear/lingerie that bugged me -- and THAT only in commercial wam videos (videos meant to be sold to a larger crowd, i.e., 'popular')...
I have NO problem or issue with amateur videos or those by individual wam afficionados featuring black underwear/lingerie. I've seen many such wam vids with the performer in black lingerie that I liked and thought were well done.
It is mostly an aesthetic thing for me -- but it is connected to a sense of eroticism, for sure.
I guess this thread did go off the rails a bit...but it asked for 'unpopular' opinions...so, since black is a popular 'color' choice, I offered my critique of the color (in the context of underwear/lingerie).
That's all.
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I don't know if its unpopular, but i hate when the camera person is breathing heavly into the mic.
I also hate people off camera who talk all the time through scenes, i like to hear the sound of the mess not somebody telling people which bucket or what to do next.
Mess wise i hate Porridge but it also makes me gag as a food as well.
I also hate people off camera who talk all the time through scenes, i like to hear the sound of the mess not somebody telling people which bucket or what to do next.
Mess wise i hate Porridge but it also makes me gag as a food as well.
