DungeonMasterOne said: My take is, if a model is no longer working, and her material is no longer for sale anywhere, we should let her fade into obscurity. Fondly remembering people in text-based memories is one thing, and celebrating content that's still available, and keeping what we've bought (and backing it up properly - there is *no* excuse for "lost in a drive crash" nowadays). But if someone has gone, let them go.
VegasWam said: I'm surprised nobody mentioned the absolute legendary community members Chainsaw John, Regis, Lovingway, and Marty Penn. Godspeed, you magnificent bastards!
The Marty Penn/Lovingway feud engulfed the forum seemingly forever. Epic!
I heard she was credited to be the co-founder of Splosh as it says on her profile. Is this true? I also remember people discrediting her - saying she was a profile ran by Bill.
Believe it or not, that was all true: Hayley didn't actually exist and was just a profile run by Bill. I was surprised when this was first mentioned on here after Bill died, and said so, but other UK producers who'd met Bill then replied to confirm it. There was a real model, of course, who "played" Hayley in the pictures on Splosh, but she didn't even have a login to the site, and as I recall that caused her a problem when he died as he may have owed her some money (or something like that), but with no access to the forum she was stuck and so couldn't even contact others who had known him.
In fact, look again at the profile you've linked to and note the clue of the last login date: May 2013. As has been noted on here in the past few days, Bill died about six weeks later. So Hayley hasn't logged in since just before Bill died, and nor did she therefore, despite working with him for many years, come on here to comment on his passing. Join the dots...!
I'm so disappointed, it may have been the nativity of my youth but I thought Hayley was a lovely person.
Given how we can all wear various masks it's maybe not the strangest thing.
Yes, I know the legal arguments, once a release is signed the producer owns the content, model has no say. But that's missing the point and is part of the mindset that drives women away. My take is, if a model is no longer working, and her material is no longer for sale anywhere, we should let her fade into obscurity. Fondly remembering people in text-based memories is one thing, and celebrating content that's still available, and keeping what we've bought (and backing it up properly - there is *no* excuse for "lost in a drive crash" nowadays). But if someone has gone, let them go. Support current producers and models, keep things vibrant, rather than a museum of messy memories.
I agree, I worked with Jess Fox who I think was a hero and I still have a few scenes unreleased, but she came out of the industry so as a mark of respect I will not be releasing it unless she she comes back.
As for legends as people have mentioned Messy Jessie is one of mine had a couple of sessions with her. Then theee is Bill shipton who gave me a way in with splash I remember buying his VHS in hmv adult section featuring sammy jane and Louise lamore.
swindy said: I'm so disappointed, it may have been the nativity of my youth but I thought Hayley was a lovely person.
Given how we can all wear various masks it's maybe not the strangest thing.
Well, I never twigged throughout all the time I was looking at the Splosh forum either, so I guess Bill knew how to play a female character.
This is entirely from memory, so don't quote me, but the other producers I referred to explained that the origin was that Bill used to write the problem page, or maybe edit letters or similar, for an adult magazine he worked for, while posing as a woman.
Odd as this may sound, it was apparently standard in the industry due to readers responding better to a female columnist, while also solving the parallel problem that in those days women simply didn't write for porn magazines. So Bill writing columns "as a woman" squared the circle. Again, that may not be 100%, but I think the context was along those lines. To Bill, posing as "Hayley" on WAM forums was just more of the same.
I am quite sure it wasn't intended to deceive anyone in a bad way, and was instead just how things were done at that particular time. I'm not aware there were any instances where female forum members were unknowingly confiding things to Bill while thinking they were talking to another woman - as has unfortunately happened a few times on here, such as when Mike was posing as Jessie - so perhaps Bill used to explain straight away that he was actually Hayley when female users did PM him.
The worst that could be said, as one producer did point out, is that the concept belonged in the analogue era, when people were communicating at arm's length by letter, and perhaps shouldn't have been brought into the digital one, where communications can be more personal, precisely because of the potential for it to go wrong. Which, again, I don't think happened in this case.
So in short, yes, Bill was Hayley, but I don't believe any harm was meant.
osbaldeston said: What about Maria/Mypierogative? She was great and a big figure in WAM filming for lots of producers but not mentioned much now.
She was wonderful. First and only in person messsy session I had was with her, and it was wonderful that she went around the world doing WAM. I'm not much for traveling, as much as I'd love to go to the UK for a session (much more prevailant over there), it's too much work, so having someone in the US willing to do it was a treat.
Phoebe Rodriguez, MessyFun and GungeGirls were my introduction into the world of "Holy shit, people are actually doing this outside of game shows and it's a thing?"
matt2matt2002 said: As a UK based Sploshing fan my memories started with Bill Shipton and Splosh magazine. I wonder if the UK was ahead of the USA and other countries in bringing our fetish to the for? I know there are some great pie fights in early USA cinema so perhaps it's something that has evolved?
Back to USA v UK - who broke the ground pre internet days?
Purpose made?
In the 'modern era' (ie Video tape - present), it's thought to be WSM.
There was a lot of wet look in stag films and photoshoots both sides of the Atlantic (and in mainland Europe, too).
The GIF below was posted several years ago by WAMTEC who suggested that it was possibly the earliest known pie exchange in an 'adult'/stag film (looks to be 8mm). I believe he has the rest of it on his site. The hair styles and set look to be in period late 1940s/early 1950s.
When I was living back in NY like 25+ years ago, I ordered a VHS from some bizarre production company with burlesque scenes. This was one of the scenes, super basic now compared to today's mess but it was cutting edge at the time. great to see that exchange again.
Im a total Unc compared to a lot of the younger generation currently on here. But for sure, Neil from PieFightGirls was a huge influence for me ( I helped him with some video shoots in LA), Lenny Sorge who loved working with the mature ladies and had an affinity for porn stars who enjoyed getting pied and slimed. Of course Fawn from Canada we used to text all the time, super cool woman. And how can we forget Messy Maddy, surprised she hasn't been mentioned. She was a natural born splosher, she loved getting messy and giving it as well, an awesome lady. Lastly, Persia Monir, the first porn star who really embraced WAM, she absolutely LOVED getting pied and she had fun doing it. She was a mature woman, super curvy, and gorgeous natural bush, she did a bunch of videos with Lenny who she really liked and misses dearly. Im still in contact with her, she told me she misses the pie scene and is always up for a paid mess session.
Anyone remember that PieFightMafia pamphlet that use to come in the mail? Haha, all the pics were black and white so the pie hits were super grainy at best but damn did I look forward to those deliveries. It would have articles and pics of upcoming producers and messy projects.
Kevmo26LA said: Im a total Unc compared to a lot of the younger generation currently on here. But for sure, Neil from PieFightGirls was a huge influence for me ( I helped him with some video shoots in LA), Lenny Sorge who loved working with the mature ladies and had an affinity for porn stars who enjoyed getting pied and slimed. Of course Fawn from Canada we used to text all the time, super cool woman. And how can we forget Messy Maddy, surprised she hasn't been mentioned. She was a natural born splosher, she loved getting messy and giving it as well, an awesome lady. Lastly, Persia Monir, the first porn star who really embraced WAM, she absolutely LOVED getting pied and she had fun doing it. She was a mature woman, super curvy, and gorgeous natural bush, she did a bunch of videos with Lenny who she really liked and misses dearly. Im still in contact with her, she told me she misses the pie scene and is always up for a paid mess session.
Anyone remember that PieFightMafia pamphlet that use to come in the mail? Haha, all the pics were black and white so the pie hits were super grainy at best but damn did I look forward to those deliveries. It would have articles and pics of upcoming producers and messy projects.
I still have some of those Pie Mafia newsletters buried under strata of old letters and documents.
Shout out to a niche guy, my guy: Tarzan and his beautiful legacy of winter wetlook. I really miss his updates and hope he's okay over in Ukraine. Haven't heard from him in a couple years, though he assured me he's in a safe place and still having his wetlook fun last we spoke. Damn, nobody did layers and coats and turtleneck sweaters like him, before or since.
WTFDownloads and WamOnCam. Definitely missed and I keep holding out hope that one day the WTFDownloads producer will release some of the stuff he shot that never got released. Plenty of others to mention, but they don't count as "forgotten" in my view.
GiveMeSlime said: Did anyone say Leah and Keely? I feel like they had some good content but weren't around for long. Both gorgeous girls.
Definitely second this. What little I saw of their videos was a while after Wam on Cam stopped producing but it looked so good. Leah's first time being gunged in that amazing black dress in pink gunge was just glourious.
Extraordinarily, apparently I've been a member here for 28 years, so it's been great to go through this thread and remember some of the characters who've come and gone.
Formative producers/models for me over the years include all the superstars (Rob Blaine, Bill Shipton etc) but a few more niche people who made a big impression on me:
- Messy Brunette. Really beautiful "real" wammer for her husband who I conversed with for a while. Exactly the sort of woman I fantasised about seeing pied as I grew up. - Anyone remember Petra So? She modelled for Bill Shipton and some others, including some private stuff for a guy whose name escapes me but who commissioned some really hot pie videos with her and others. Very hot petite British/thai model who really got it from him.
CosmoSmallpiece said: Charlotte of Mostwam. She was brilliant
I don't know what it was, but Charlotte was the epitome of a perfect WAM model.
She definitely was. She was that sexy girl next door type, she always looked fantastic and nicely dressed and could take massive amounts of pies and mess, and really entered into the spirit of it. She had great screen presence and was good at roleplay, maybe she had done performing arts? One thing she did superbly was one of my favourite wam scenarios, the smart but sexy authority figure whose dignity gets punctured by a barrage of pies
CosmoSmallpiece said: Charlotte of Mostwam. She was brilliant
I don't know what it was, but Charlotte was the epitome of a perfect WAM model.
She definitely was. She was that sexy girl next door type, she always looked fantastic and nicely dressed and could take massive amounts of pies and mess, and really entered into the spirit of it. She had great screen presence and was good at roleplay, maybe she had done performing arts? One thing she did superbly was one of my favourite wam scenarios, the smart but sexy authority figure whose dignity gets punctured by a barrage of pies
You said it much better than I did, so thank you. She was absolutely incredible. My favorite scenes were when she was the host and she ended up getting messy when she wasn't really supposed to.
One of her best was a joint production with Rev Slymsford, where she was used as a demonstration of how to punish inefficient office girls, in front of two other Mostwam girls and she took the most unbelievable amount of pies and custard, cream, chocolate sauce etc, two full trolley loads of it went over her, and at the start, she was immaculate in office clothes and high heels. What a star!!
Love you, too
great to see that exchange again.
