DungeonMasterOne said: My take is, if a model is no longer working, and her material is no longer for sale anywhere, we should let her fade into obscurity. Fondly remembering people in text-based memories is one thing, and celebrating content that's still available, and keeping what we've bought (and backing it up properly - there is *no* excuse for "lost in a drive crash" nowadays). But if someone has gone, let them go.
VegasWam said: I'm surprised nobody mentioned the absolute legendary community members Chainsaw John, Regis, Lovingway, and Marty Penn. Godspeed, you magnificent bastards!
The Marty Penn/Lovingway feud engulfed the forum seemingly forever. Epic!
I heard she was credited to be the co-founder of Splosh as it says on her profile. Is this true? I also remember people discrediting her - saying she was a profile ran by Bill.
Believe it or not, that was all true: Hayley didn't actually exist and was just a profile run by Bill. I was surprised when this was first mentioned on here after Bill died, and said so, but other UK producers who'd met Bill then replied to confirm it. There was a real model, of course, who "played" Hayley in the pictures on Splosh, but she didn't even have a login to the site, and as I recall that caused her a problem when he died as he may have owed her some money (or something like that), but with no access to the forum she was stuck and so couldn't even contact others who had known him.
In fact, look again at the profile you've linked to and note the clue of the last login date: May 2013. As has been noted on here in the past few days, Bill died about six weeks later. So Hayley hasn't logged in since just before Bill died, and nor did she therefore, despite working with him for many years, come on here to comment on his passing. Join the dots...!
I'm so disappointed, it may have been the nativity of my youth but I thought Hayley was a lovely person.
Given how we can all wear various masks it's maybe not the strangest thing.
Yes, I know the legal arguments, once a release is signed the producer owns the content, model has no say. But that's missing the point and is part of the mindset that drives women away. My take is, if a model is no longer working, and her material is no longer for sale anywhere, we should let her fade into obscurity. Fondly remembering people in text-based memories is one thing, and celebrating content that's still available, and keeping what we've bought (and backing it up properly - there is *no* excuse for "lost in a drive crash" nowadays). But if someone has gone, let them go. Support current producers and models, keep things vibrant, rather than a museum of messy memories.
I agree, I worked with Jess Fox who I think was a hero and I still have a few scenes unreleased, but she came out of the industry so as a mark of respect I will not be releasing it unless she she comes back.
As for legends as people have mentioned Messy Jessie is one of mine had a couple of sessions with her. Then theee is Bill shipton who gave me a way in with splash I remember buying his VHS in hmv adult section featuring sammy jane and Louise lamore.
swindy said: I'm so disappointed, it may have been the nativity of my youth but I thought Hayley was a lovely person.
Given how we can all wear various masks it's maybe not the strangest thing.
Well, I never twigged throughout all the time I was looking at the Splosh forum either, so I guess Bill knew how to play a female character.
This is entirely from memory, so don't quote me, but the other producers I referred to explained that the origin was that Bill used to write the problem page, or maybe edit letters or similar, for an adult magazine he worked for, while posing as a woman.
Odd as this may sound, it was apparently standard in the industry due to readers responding better to a female columnist, while also solving the parallel problem that in those days women simply didn't write for porn magazines. So Bill writing columns "as a woman" squared the circle. Again, that may not be 100%, but I think the context was along those lines. To Bill, posing as "Hayley" on WAM forums was just more of the same.
I am quite sure it wasn't intended to deceive anyone in a bad way, and was instead just how things were done at that particular time. I'm not aware there were any instances where female forum members were unknowingly confiding things to Bill while thinking they were talking to another woman - as has unfortunately happened a few times on here, such as when Mike was posing as Jessie - so perhaps Bill used to explain straight away that he was actually Hayley when female users did PM him.
The worst that could be said, as one producer did point out, is that the concept belonged in the analogue era, when people were communicating at arm's length by letter, and perhaps shouldn't have been brought into the digital one, where communications can be more personal, precisely because of the potential for it to go wrong. Which, again, I don't think happened in this case.
So in short, yes, Bill was Hayley, but I don't believe any harm was meant.
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