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"Surprised this didn't happen years ago (mostwam)"
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. For years there's been multiple videos of Leon rubbing the girls in mess. He rubs their ass between their thighs and over breast. Im sure Lisa would have told him not to do that and he probably just said it's for the mess not feeling them. But obviously he's getting a feel at the same time. I always thought it was wrong.
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
10/21/22, 5:52pm: moved from Messy to Non-Wam and gender changed from female to n/a
goodtimes said: I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. For years there's been multiple videos of Leon rubbing the girls in mess. He rubs their ass between their thighs and over breast. Im sure Lisa would have told him not to do that and he probably just said it's for the mess not feeling them. But obviously he's getting a feel at the same time. I always thought it was wrong.
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
I'm not sure if this post should be allowed to stay as it seems to me as there is a lot of guessing, conjecture and gossip.
If it is true I don't think it has anything to do with us and we should leave Leon and Lisa to sort their own affairs out in private.
If it is wrong will the OP care to apologise?
I want to get muddy and messy
splat182002 said:
I'm not sure if this post should be allowed to stay as it seems to me as there is a lot of guessing, conjecture and gossip.
If it is true I don't think it has anything to do with us and we should leave Leon and Lisa to sort their own affairs out in private.
If it is wrong will the OP care to apologise?
goodtimes said: I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. For years there's been multiple videos of Leon rubbing the girls in mess. He rubs their ass between their thighs and over breast. Im sure Lisa would have told him not to do that and he probably just said it's for the mess not feeling them. But obviously he's getting a feel at the same time. I always thought it was wrong.
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
I'm not sure if this post should be allowed to stay as it seems to me as there is a lot of guessing, conjecture and gossip.
If it is true I don't think it has anything to do with us and we should leave Leon and Lisa to sort their own affairs out in private.
If it is wrong will the OP care to apologise?
I have not posted any of what their former model told me about Leon and just the conviction details from a newspaper so no guessing,no conjecture,no gossip and no apologising needed. Why do you think a convicted sex offender making thousands of dollars from using fairly young models on this forum should be hushed up?
goodtimes said: There's proof if you go watch there videos. Especially when Jess, Michelle, steffi, charlotte etc was around
I have been told a lot about Leon by their former model and have not put any of that here. Only put the newspaper article stating the conviction,sex offenders course and sentence which is a matter of record.
To be honest it is a shame because I hope this doesn't affect anything for future of Mostwam since they have some of the most classiest looking every day girls in wam. Leon just keep your hands to yourself and respect that you're living everyone's dream by getting beautiful girls messy.
Plus why touch anyone when Lisa is a hottie any way
Plus why touch anyone when Lisa is a hottie any way
I will continue to support Mostwam as its more than just a one man show...
There are full time models, part time models and other staff that make there living doing the job they love... The courts are punished him (if the article is right) I think that is sufficient for us to leave it there.
There are full time models, part time models and other staff that make there living doing the job they love... The courts are punished him (if the article is right) I think that is sufficient for us to leave it there.
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I don't think Leon should be allowed to be associated with the site any more. He should not be able to sell things on the site and should not be approved for customs. That being said, I am not sure what the company of Mostwam is made up of. If Leon was just a photographer that was hired and worked for the company Mostwam or if he is the company Mostwam. If he is the company Mostwam then the store here should be closed in my opinion.
However, this is a very sticky line (No pun intended) for MM. In the T&C for the site it says that we can discuss issues that happen, but that action will not be taken against things that did not happen on the site. Look over the Jurisdiction section of the T&C. It is hard to say where this should fall. We have someone who outside of the site committed a crime and still has an open store. There is another person on the site that stole money from people on the site that even though the importance of contracts has been expressed, is allowed to post but not approved for customs and does not have a store set up. SA is definitely a different beast than theft. I do not envy MM being in this position especially considering the legacy of both people.
However, this is a very sticky line (No pun intended) for MM. In the T&C for the site it says that we can discuss issues that happen, but that action will not be taken against things that did not happen on the site. Look over the Jurisdiction section of the T&C. It is hard to say where this should fall. We have someone who outside of the site committed a crime and still has an open store. There is another person on the site that stole money from people on the site that even though the importance of contracts has been expressed, is allowed to post but not approved for customs and does not have a store set up. SA is definitely a different beast than theft. I do not envy MM being in this position especially considering the legacy of both people.
dalamar666 said: I don't think Leon should be allowed to be associated with the site any more. He should not be able to sell things on the site and should not be approved for customs. That being said, I am not sure what the company of Mostwam is made up of. If Leon was just a photographer that was hired and worked for the company Mostwam or if he is the company Mostwam. If he is the company Mostwam then the store here should be closed in my opinion.
However, this is a very sticky line (No pun intended) for MM. In the T&C for the site it says that we can discuss issues that happen, but that action will not be taken against things that did not happen on the site. Look over the Jurisdiction section of the T&C. It is hard to say where this should fall. We have someone who outside of the site committed a crime and still has an open store. There is another person on the site that stole money from people on the site that even though the importance of contracts has been expressed, is allowed to post but not approved for customs and does not have a store set up. SA is definitely a different beast than theft. I do not envy MM being in this position especially considering the legacy of both people.
However, this is a very sticky line (No pun intended) for MM. In the T&C for the site it says that we can discuss issues that happen, but that action will not be taken against things that did not happen on the site. Look over the Jurisdiction section of the T&C. It is hard to say where this should fall. We have someone who outside of the site committed a crime and still has an open store. There is another person on the site that stole money from people on the site that even though the importance of contracts has been expressed, is allowed to post but not approved for customs and does not have a store set up. SA is definitely a different beast than theft. I do not envy MM being in this position especially considering the legacy of both people.
The only director is Leon as is public record as is the conviction.
10/21/22, 6:25pm: Edited to remove a link and information that links to a physical address as this is being investigated
dalamar666 said:
However, this is a very sticky line (No pun intended) for MM. In the T&C for the site it says that we can discuss issues that happen, but that action will not be taken against things that did not happen on the site. Look over the Jurisdiction section of the T&C. It is hard to say where this should fall. We have someone who outside of the site committed a crime and still has an open store. There is another person on the site that stole money from people on the site that even though the importance of contracts has been expressed, is allowed to post but not approved for customs and does not have a store set up. SA is definitely a different beast than theft. I do not envy MM being in this position especially considering the legacy of both people.
However, this is a very sticky line (No pun intended) for MM. In the T&C for the site it says that we can discuss issues that happen, but that action will not be taken against things that did not happen on the site. Look over the Jurisdiction section of the T&C. It is hard to say where this should fall. We have someone who outside of the site committed a crime and still has an open store. There is another person on the site that stole money from people on the site that even though the importance of contracts has been expressed, is allowed to post but not approved for customs and does not have a store set up. SA is definitely a different beast than theft. I do not envy MM being in this position especially considering the legacy of both people.
Given the nature of this Forum which is a business and a community how can UMD have any credibility to allow this mans business to do business here without losing all credibility. Many banned previously from this forum for much less than sexually assaulting a model that appeared on here. Some teenager not doing a $5 custom is a lot less than sexual assault.
CalGungeFan said: I will continue to support Mostwam as its more than just a one man show...
There are full time models, part time models and other staff that make there living doing the job they love... The courts are punished him (if the article is right) I think that is sufficient for us to leave it there.
There are full time models, part time models and other staff that make there living doing the job they love... The courts are punished him (if the article is right) I think that is sufficient for us to leave it there.
How can a court report not be right? Weird of you to defend a sex offender who owns a company
I would also say the Anglefan producer has also been (as its public knowledge) sexually inappropriate to women and is still on this forum.
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goodtimes said: There's proof if you go watch there videos. Especially when Jess, Michelle, steffi, charlotte etc was around
If you had posted the link of the report I would not have made the above comments. Without the link it looked like it was a second or third hand story. Can you see where I am coming from?
I am sure the mods and MM will make the right decision regarding Leon. They always do.
I want to get muddy and messy
splat182002 said:
If you had posted the link of the report I would not have made the above comments. Without the link it looked like it was a second or third hand story. Can you see where I am coming from?
I am sure the mods and MM will make the right decision regarding Leon. They always do.
goodtimes said: There's proof if you go watch there videos. Especially when Jess, Michelle, steffi, charlotte etc was around
If you had posted the link of the report I would not have made the above comments. Without the link it looked like it was a second or third hand story. Can you see where I am coming from?
I am sure the mods and MM will make the right decision regarding Leon. They always do.
The link to the report has been posted 3 times and removed 3 times. If Mostwam aren't removed then it's a cover up for money reasons as opposed to moral reasons.
Just to clarify no cover-up was intended and the links were removed by me temporarily whilst we investigated the accusations.
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It makes sense admin have removed the link because it includes an address for Leon,the owner of Mostwam so here is the bit of the article about the prosecution with address and surname removed.
"A photographer groped a woman at a shoot, telling her he loved her. Leon J**** started to act weird at the session in an isolated spot and took a private photo for his "w*** bank", a court heard.
When she was changing afterwards he walked up behind her and groped her chest under a towel. J**** appeared for sentence at Bristol Crown Court on Friday (March 11, 2022)
The 48-year-old, of ******* Road, W*****-S****-M***, pleaded guilty to sexual assault. Judge William Hart handed him an 18 month prison sentence, suspended for two years.
The judge told him: "There was nothing to lead you to believe she wanted to engage in that which you undertook on that occasion. I hope she can put this behind her and get over this experience. I hope you can go back to being the man you were before this regretful day."
J**** was ordered to undergo rehabilitation and a sex offender programme. He was told to pay £1,000 compensation and £500 prosecution costs. He was also handed a five-year restraining order to have no contact with the complainant.
David Scutt, prosecuting, told the court J**** flirted with the woman, told her one photo was for his "w**k bank" and admitted he was being "outrageous". When she changed in his van after the shoot he came in and groped her, telling her: "Those are the first proper breasts I've felt in 18 years".
J**** told the woman he loved her, she froze and he then drove her home, the court heard. Later the woman told her father how she felt violated by the assault."
"A photographer groped a woman at a shoot, telling her he loved her. Leon J**** started to act weird at the session in an isolated spot and took a private photo for his "w*** bank", a court heard.
When she was changing afterwards he walked up behind her and groped her chest under a towel. J**** appeared for sentence at Bristol Crown Court on Friday (March 11, 2022)
The 48-year-old, of ******* Road, W*****-S****-M***, pleaded guilty to sexual assault. Judge William Hart handed him an 18 month prison sentence, suspended for two years.
The judge told him: "There was nothing to lead you to believe she wanted to engage in that which you undertook on that occasion. I hope she can put this behind her and get over this experience. I hope you can go back to being the man you were before this regretful day."
J**** was ordered to undergo rehabilitation and a sex offender programme. He was told to pay £1,000 compensation and £500 prosecution costs. He was also handed a five-year restraining order to have no contact with the complainant.
David Scutt, prosecuting, told the court J**** flirted with the woman, told her one photo was for his "w**k bank" and admitted he was being "outrageous". When she changed in his van after the shoot he came in and groped her, telling her: "Those are the first proper breasts I've felt in 18 years".
J**** told the woman he loved her, she froze and he then drove her home, the court heard. Later the woman told her father how she felt violated by the assault."
10/21/22, 7:20pm: Redcacted left in surnames
VAVAVIE said: Given the nature of this Forum which is a business and a community how can UMD have any credibility to allow this mans business to do business here without losing all credibility. Many banned previously from this forum for much less than sexually assaulting a model that appeared on here. Some teenager not doing a $5 custom is a lot less than sexual assault.
I hate that you are putting me in a position to explain things this way, but you are making connections that just are not there. As a business, what dishonest practices has MM or for that matter any mods taken or continue that has to do with people losing money on things? MM has gone out of his way to try to make things right on multiple occasions when people have been scammed here. When it comes to the business dealings MM has done a great job to try and earn the trust of the community in financial dealings. That their money will not be stolen and that the transaction will take place in a secure method and both parties are satisfied.
In what way has what happened to Leon have any impact on the credibility of this forum? The actions were taken outside the forum and had nothing to do with the majority of the people that participate both in the forums and purchase things from the website. Is what was done a shitty thing, yes absolutely 100% you will never get an argument from me that what was done was in any way acceptable. As I have stated Leon should not be allowed to do business here. However, to try and hold the UMD accountable for the actions of someone that happened outside the forums and IRL is ridiculous. Can you choose not to do business with MostWam and let your dollars speak for themselves, absolutely. But to try to say that the other stores on here are some how less reputable because of actions offline makes you look stupid. You are drawing financial conclusions and comparing them with people who have taken actions on the forums that were against the T&C of the forum. Something that MM controls.
As has happened with previous situations, I am sure that statements will be made once information is digested.
dalamar666 said:
I hate that you are putting me in a position to explain things this way, but you are making connections that just are not there. As a business, what dishonest practices has MM or for that matter any mods taken or continue that has to do with people losing money on things? MM has gone out of his way to try to make things right on multiple occasions when people have been scammed here. When it comes to the business dealings MM has done a great job to try and earn the trust of the community in financial dealings. That their money will not be stolen and that the transaction will take place in a secure method and both parties are satisfied.
In what way has what happened to Leon have any impact on the credibility of this forum? The actions were taken outside the forum and had nothing to do with the majority of the people that participate both in the forums and purchase things from the website. Is what was done a shitty thing, yes absolutely 100% you will never get an argument from me that what was done was in any way acceptable. As I have stated Leon should not be allowed to do business here. However, to try and hold the UMD accountable for the actions of someone that happened outside the forums and IRL is ridiculous. Can you choose not to do business with MostWam and let your dollars speak for themselves, absolutely. But to try to say that the other stores on here are some how less reputable because of actions offline makes you look stupid. You are drawing financial conclusions and comparing them with people who have taken actions on the forums that were against the T&C of the forum. Something that MM controls.
As has happened with previous situations, I am sure that statements will be made once information is digested.
VAVAVIE said: Given the nature of this Forum which is a business and a community how can UMD have any credibility to allow this mans business to do business here without losing all credibility. Many banned previously from this forum for much less than sexually assaulting a model that appeared on here. Some teenager not doing a $5 custom is a lot less than sexual assault.
I hate that you are putting me in a position to explain things this way, but you are making connections that just are not there. As a business, what dishonest practices has MM or for that matter any mods taken or continue that has to do with people losing money on things? MM has gone out of his way to try to make things right on multiple occasions when people have been scammed here. When it comes to the business dealings MM has done a great job to try and earn the trust of the community in financial dealings. That their money will not be stolen and that the transaction will take place in a secure method and both parties are satisfied.
In what way has what happened to Leon have any impact on the credibility of this forum? The actions were taken outside the forum and had nothing to do with the majority of the people that participate both in the forums and purchase things from the website. Is what was done a shitty thing, yes absolutely 100% you will never get an argument from me that what was done was in any way acceptable. As I have stated Leon should not be allowed to do business here. However, to try and hold the UMD accountable for the actions of someone that happened outside the forums and IRL is ridiculous. Can you choose not to do business with MostWam and let your dollars speak for themselves, absolutely. But to try to say that the other stores on here are some how less reputable because of actions offline makes you look stupid. You are drawing financial conclusions and comparing them with people who have taken actions on the forums that were against the T&C of the forum. Something that MM controls.
As has happened with previous situations, I am sure that statements will be made once information is digested.
I have not said that Messmaster or any mods have done anything dishonest. You've agreed Mostwam aka Leon should not be allowed to do business here and if he was allowed to still do business here then UMD would lose credibility. I haven't said any other stores,or any other person is a fault or tarnished in any other way. I have faith Messmaster will remove this person and his store.
Just noting that I am watching this thread and I will respond later. Keep rocking everybody
Stay messy, my friends
VAVAVIE said:
How can a court report not be right? Weird of you to defend a sex offender who owns a company
CalGungeFan said: I will continue to support Mostwam as its more than just a one man show...
There are full time models, part time models and other staff that make there living doing the job they love... The courts are punished him (if the article is right) I think that is sufficient for us to leave it there.
There are full time models, part time models and other staff that make there living doing the job they love... The courts are punished him (if the article is right) I think that is sufficient for us to leave it there.
How can a court report not be right? Weird of you to defend a sex offender who owns a company
I am in no way defending him, I am saying that he has been punished by a court of law... I don't think we should be punishing his loved ones and the people that work for the company, that put their time, effort, money and energy into creating incredible content for us... I understand that some of that money does go to Leon... but also is significant amount goes to the women and to the people that work incredibly hard as well.
and just for the record, I said this... (if the article is right) ... as at the time I hadn't read the article as it was removed by UMD.
Philippa Forrester Found
VAVAVIE said: It makes sense admin have removed the link because it includes an address for Leon,the owner of Mostwam so here is the bit of the article about the prosecution with address and surname removed.
Agreed, as this information even without a number could cause serious issues for people other than Leon himself as well.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
If the info is accurate, he wasn't punished, per se - it was a suspended sentence. Suspended sentences in the UK are judgements where the offender does not have to go to prison provided that they commit no further offences and comply with any requirements imposed. TLDR, boys will be boys, don't do it again.
IMO, cut 'em loose; The whole thing reeks of unprofessionalism, and this isn't exactly a business where the models (who could very well have been hired solely *because* they were unknowingly filling the producer's spank-bank) are paying off mortgages by getting some gak dumped on them every eight weeks or so.
IMO, cut 'em loose; The whole thing reeks of unprofessionalism, and this isn't exactly a business where the models (who could very well have been hired solely *because* they were unknowingly filling the producer's spank-bank) are paying off mortgages by getting some gak dumped on them every eight weeks or so.
Also I want to say this, that because of the nature of mostwam as a company... we know that a lot of people that work for the company are all friends and know each other outside.
So probably most of them would know about this (certainly the older ones) and friends of the victim... and they have decided to continue to work for mostwam... I'm sure there are safeguards in place now and things have probably changed to prevent things like this happening.
Also the judge did say "I hope you can go back to being the man you were before this regretful day" I think this means that the judge believe this is not a pattern of conduct that this was just one horrific day, and that he believes he can be the person he was before this terrible day happened.
I don't really know what point I'm trying to make but I do think it's something to consider when commenting on this
So probably most of them would know about this (certainly the older ones) and friends of the victim... and they have decided to continue to work for mostwam... I'm sure there are safeguards in place now and things have probably changed to prevent things like this happening.
Also the judge did say "I hope you can go back to being the man you were before this regretful day" I think this means that the judge believe this is not a pattern of conduct that this was just one horrific day, and that he believes he can be the person he was before this terrible day happened.
I don't really know what point I'm trying to make but I do think it's something to consider when commenting on this
Philippa Forrester Found
One thing to remember, people do plead guilty for crimes they didn't commit. Leon's account.to what happened on his side is very plausible to what thousands of other people have to weigh up in life if there in that position
we will never know the truth of what happened, there will be some people that believe because he pleaded guilt in a court of law. that he is guilty... and I will be other people that believe his Version Of Events...
I think an important part of this is the fact that this happened a long while ago and mostwam and Leon are still producing content and filming with girls that are friends of the victim and know both individuals a lot more than we do... and they are still happy to work with him, they are still happy to work for a fantastic company and eye for one think that carries a lot of weight...
whether I believe or not I don't know and I probably won't know, but I do believe in the people around mostwam and work with him and if they are happy to continue to support him which they are by looking at the fact that they are still filming, still having fun creating content... then I'm happy to support mostwam as well
we will never know the truth of what happened, there will be some people that believe because he pleaded guilt in a court of law. that he is guilty... and I will be other people that believe his Version Of Events...
I think an important part of this is the fact that this happened a long while ago and mostwam and Leon are still producing content and filming with girls that are friends of the victim and know both individuals a lot more than we do... and they are still happy to work with him, they are still happy to work for a fantastic company and eye for one think that carries a lot of weight...
whether I believe or not I don't know and I probably won't know, but I do believe in the people around mostwam and work with him and if they are happy to continue to support him which they are by looking at the fact that they are still filming, still having fun creating content... then I'm happy to support mostwam as well
Philippa Forrester Found
goodtimes said: I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. For years there's been multiple videos of Leon rubbing the girls in mess. He rubs their ass between their thighs and over breast. Im sure Lisa would have told him not to do that and he probably just said it's for the mess not feeling them. But obviously he's getting a feel at the same time. I always thought it was wrong.
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
It looks like he's left to country to shoot somewhere else. Wonder if lisa and him are still together?
No, I'm still here and still producing in the UK, we do from time to time shoot abroad as we always have.
Lisa and myself separated the week before the events that led to my conviction.
Consent was requested for contact and working closely with some of the girls, who mostly were good friends, there was lots of flirting on and off camera. I have 17 years of working with the girls prior to this with no allegations or accusations and girls who stay with us for a long time, the money we pay was never THAT good.
We now have a HR team and policies in place to protect myself and anyone else who works with the girls, along with the girls themselves.
Now, I'm not sure which model has brought this here, but there is a model who I have recently let go, who wanted to continue working for me, but was trying to make compensation from me and who had threatened to go to the newspapers, not sure with what?
An investigation was made into the accusations that she had made against me, which very much concluded that I had done nothing wrong in relation to my convicted offence, other than not advising her about it, which at the time, I was under no obligation to do.
For obvious reasons, I will not work with a girl who has threatened me and as such, I expect that this is why this has blown up here.
I have since been advised to make all of the girls who work for me aware of my conviction, which is exactly what I have done.
Plonk said: Bruh. You're seriously trying to turn this into a witch hunt against some unknown model?
You are now a Registered. Sex. Offender.
Just go.
You are now a Registered. Sex. Offender.
Just go.
Not turning it into a witch hunt, I've not named her?
Simply saying that this has been brought here by someone who, up until a couple of weeks ago still wanted to work for me, who I let go and who is angry because she can't work for me anymore.
Important point being, she still wanted to work for me, despite my conviction.
I perceive only one witch hunt going on here and it isn't for her.
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