So I've started a poll to find out if I'm the only one who's annoyed by this? I really hate when producers take a scene and chop it into multiple pieces to try to sell it in parts when it was clearly one scene. (I'm not talking about multiple angles) I've seen multiple producers doing this over the years and I'm just curious what everyone else thinks of this??? It actually puts me off of buying clips from those producers b/c I feel like I'm not getting the whole scene unless I buy multiple clips.
I completely understand where you're coming from but to play devils advocate, Back in the day it was necessary because of file sizes and down load/ computer capabilities.
Other devil's advocate: I've "chopped" scenes into separate male & female mess as some folks get turned off with one or the other.
But most times when I do this, the "Complete" scene is the same price as the "Female Only" version, so it's just a matter of pref. The "Male Only" is usually much shorter so that's a lower price.
SStuff said: Other devil's advocate: I've "chopped" scenes into separate male & female mess as some folks get turned off with one or the other.
But most times when I do this, the "Complete" scene is the same price as the "Female Only" version, so it's just a matter of pref. The "Male Only" is usually much shorter so that's a lower price.
Honestly that's understandable to me. I am more so referring to scenes that SHOULD be one longer scene, but are cut up in parts to try to increase sales.
I would ultimately too like to know if sales are negatively impacted because of this tactic? Like do the sales of the split clips justify the split, or do the producers miss out on enough sales that the split is a bad idea?
Well, I'll try and tackle this head on as I do this.
Firstly, I can say that without it, I wouldn't still be making clips now. In my early days I sold my long build-up scenes as one whole scene with a fair price reflecting costs/effort etc and was nearly broke before I started. Splitting the clips into manageable and affordable sizes has kept me afloat
I do get that it is not ideal and in a perfect world I wouldn't do it, but my experience has been that people have an idea in their head of what a fair price for a clip is, and unless there is a real edge-case exception (like the 45 min 9 girl piefight) my experience has been that it is (understandably) tough for people to commit to paying more than around $10-13 for a scene..no matter how long or how many girls...and I get that.
So my long multi girl scenes were really going nowhere and so I started splitting them into short punchy messy scenes that were more affordable.
My reasoning is people almost always buy the clips for 'a certain purpose'. Provided there is enough mess there to achieve that purpose, I am confident they will take the view this isn't Brideshead Revisited and people won't want to know what the plot outcome was (or can buy part 2 if they do)
If there is more mess than can also yield the 'desired outcome' in another affordable clip, I have to hope the fact there are two scenes not one doesn't cause too much unhappiness, as it's a necessary evil for me at the mo.
For those who don't mind waiting, I'll always bundle things down the line anyway meaning people can get both parts at a reduced price if they don't need to have the scene while it's hot and new
The bottom line is for me, it has kept me in business..and that has meant I've been able to make better scenes, and do collaborations..and that has brought us to things like the 9 girl piefight collab with the Moomins.
So I know it's not ideal, but I hope that as it's meant that rather than UMD reading of yet another producer calling it quits through not making it work financially, the fact that I am still here and making scenes means it's a trade off worth bearing.
Finally if anyone ever buys one of my scenes and is unhappy for any reason..dm me and we will sort it. I would never want anyone to feel unhappy.
Sometimes it's super annyoing...but sometimes I don't mind and it might even make sense. Rich's example is a good one and I know I've only bought one part out of two or three if I really only wanted to see one of the models messy. (That sometimes happens even with g/g scenes.) So I would say it depends on circumstances/context.
Not something I'd usually do, but last summer we shot two three-girl mud scenes, with Felicity, Maude, and Maria. Both were long scenes with the girls going in one by one and each getting fully covered before the next joined her, then ending up in a three-girl free-for-all once all three were in and covered.
These were deliberately shot to be split into sections and sold individually, as otherwise the scene would be very long and would have to be quite expensive - three sets of model fees, three lots of food and drink for the girls, etc, all have to be covered by sales. By splitting it up into manageable sections we make it more affordable for people, and easier to download as several smaller files.
Another good reason for splitting might be if someone shoots a scene that starts clothed, then part way through goes to nude. Personally I never buy scenes that are clothed to nude all in one section, as often the clothed section, which is the only bit I'm interested in, will be just a fleeting prelude to what's basically a naked scene, sometimes the models will strip when parts of their outfits are still clean. But if the producer shoots and sells it as two halves, then I can see exactly how long the clothed section is, and (assuming reasonable previews) whether or not the girls got fully messed up while still dressed. Which might persuade me to buy the clothed section, though this will still depend on lots of other factors (outfit style, camera work, etc) too.
I fully understand the business reasons for splitting clips into parts (cost, download speed, file size etc), and I have no problem with buying in multiple parts as a result of that... however I do get very frustrated when part 1 is released and you have to wait months for part 2 (or even occasionally prompt the producer if they've forgotten about it), as I like to watch the who video in one go!
I'm not a fan of splitting up clips, but I understand why it is necessary for some producers to do.
More frustrating to me is when one producer has his or her videos divided among 3-6 different stores and then does a buy-X-get-1-free-type sales. You can never combine videos from the same producer for these deals when they are in different stores. I suppose there are economic reasons for this practice, too, but I find it pretty frustrating, especially when you're dealing with a smaller catalog and there aren't a lot of videos in any one of the producer's stores.
Rev, I don't mean to single you out, you know I love your work, but you are definitely one of the people I'm thinking about with this complaint. Can you explain the purpose behind dividing up your catalog into so many smaller stores?
pieromaniac_too said: I Rev, you know I love your work, but you are definitely one of the people I'm thinking about with this complaint. Can you explain the purpose behind dividing up your catalog into so many smaller stores?
Thanks for the kind words re my work. The honest answer re the stores is I have/had no idea what I am doing. I thought as I had 3 distinctive types of scenes..the more sexual ones, the more pg stuff , and the vintage Jayce, Jilly, Ariel, Kaydens stuff, it made sense to have a separate store for each. With hindsight I probably should have stuck to one store, and I may yet end up merging them etc. But I am on a massively steep learning curve. I am just an ordinary bloke picking stuff up as I go. Always hit me up if you can't take advantage off an offer due to something like that, and I will make it right for you. Meahwhile, thanks for the positive feedback re the content, and thanks for the helpful feedback about the 3 stores
It's annoying (particular pet peeve: when multi-part scenes get released separately, sometimes with delays in between, and/or it's unclear at the outset how many parts there will be). And I can think of some producers who use it to inflate prices.
But, like Rich, I miss the days when elaborate scenes with storylines and more than one or two models were a regular thing. If breaking those into bite-sized chunks helps make them economically viable in today's wankin' market, I'll go along with it. (As long as there's no shaving cream involved.)