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"Messygirl Customs experience"
Love you, too
I won't take sides on this but I will say.
That I have had SUCH a hard time taking customs bc I have this job and two other important jobs-at home.
Solately? I have tried to get customs together and people will bug me to death and I respond to them and they end up wasting my time and the ppl who really wanted one? Didn't get answered for a while bc I was trying so hard to focus on what was in front of me-that once it was time to pay? They bounced out or "couldn't figure out how to use this app or that app"
As I have gotten older my adhd has gotten sooooo bad- so? I have tried to tell ppl they can message me on what's app or Skype.
I'm working on it. It ccsn be extremely hard.
The way I guess I keep from people getting too upset is that I do not take money. Not until we are ready to shoot it and I'm on my way to the store.
But? I've had a very hard time lately. I am not saying that MG is right or wrong. I do know that he is making great money- and doing well here bc he does release some great material. Maybe he can try what I'm trying to do and do different ways if talking to customers or even hire someorm
wish you ALL the best. Mg and all of you. !
That I have had SUCH a hard time taking customs bc I have this job and two other important jobs-at home.
Solately? I have tried to get customs together and people will bug me to death and I respond to them and they end up wasting my time and the ppl who really wanted one? Didn't get answered for a while bc I was trying so hard to focus on what was in front of me-that once it was time to pay? They bounced out or "couldn't figure out how to use this app or that app"
As I have gotten older my adhd has gotten sooooo bad- so? I have tried to tell ppl they can message me on what's app or Skype.
I'm working on it. It ccsn be extremely hard.
The way I guess I keep from people getting too upset is that I do not take money. Not until we are ready to shoot it and I'm on my way to the store.
But? I've had a very hard time lately. I am not saying that MG is right or wrong. I do know that he is making great money- and doing well here bc he does release some great material. Maybe he can try what I'm trying to do and do different ways if talking to customers or even hire someorm
wish you ALL the best. Mg and all of you. !There isn’t a mess I don’t love!
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
johnnypie said: Correct. There's no reason to take a dime from anyone until you're ready to shoot. That's the ethical way to do customs. Just look a MG's reputation now. No thanks. We have a four girl shoot this coming Thursday and just blasting out for customs today.
That does rather depend on the custom. Leaving aside MG's issues, it's clear from this thread and various predecessors that different people have very different ideas of what a custom actually is. In my case, when we've done customs (for which we have a 100% satisfaction rate) they have often required elaborate setups or complex outfit requirements. Hence we charge 50% in advance, 50% on completion, plus a guarentee that should we not have managed to shoot the scene within three months of taking the deposit, cancel and full refund. But our customs customers generally want a very specific model or combination of models, in very specific outfits and following a reasonably detailed scene plan, things that can take several weeks to organise and get everything delivered.
And as an example of how unpredictable deliveries can be - back in 22 we ordered several outfit items from Shein in China, plus some jodhpurs from a supplier in Devon, for a general scene, not even a custom. Now I knew I was cutting it fine on the Chinese stuff and had contingency fallbacks if they didn't arrive in time, given the delivery date Shein quoted was the day before we were due to shoot. However what actually happened was the stuff from China arrived the preceding Tuesday, while the jodhpurs never showed up and only arrived the week after the shoot. OK, it's a fair distance from Devon to Yorkshire if you do it on horseback but these days we have trains and lorries. Fortunately I'd randomly bought an extra pair of white jeans in a charity shop the weekend before - which is why the scene has both Friday and Maude in white jeans, when in fact Friday was meant to have been in white jodhpurs for it. The scene was this one:
https://saturationhall.umd.net/download_info/three-gloopy-girls-all-in-white
Back to customs: Having the customer pay 50% in advance covers specialist outfit and substance purchases, with the 50% on completion covering the model fees which the producer will have already paid on shoot day, plus expenses and profit.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
Fair enough. For us, (I have a business partner) we only do customs when we're doing shoots. And the main purpose for our shoots is scenes for our business. Customs are nice extra money for the models, but we're very picky.
Models tend not to enjoy customs that are too detailed; where it takes 30 minutes just to read over the scene. It also has to make sense for us financially "start to finish." So if it's WAM custom, then you know the drill; shopping for ingredients, preparing the slime/pies, prepping the location, shoot, area cleanup, models have to shower, etc...and we're charging for that.
We also take model compensation into consideration. A great way to lose a model is to have her get covered head to toe in slime/pies then all the effort that goes into cleaning off and say "perfect, and here's your $100." If they're not going to fairly compensate the model it's a no-go.
We get a fair amount of "what can I get for a pie custom for $100?" The answer is "nothing." But yes, to your point, if the custom requires special ordered outfits then we have to wait until they arrive.
Models tend not to enjoy customs that are too detailed; where it takes 30 minutes just to read over the scene. It also has to make sense for us financially "start to finish." So if it's WAM custom, then you know the drill; shopping for ingredients, preparing the slime/pies, prepping the location, shoot, area cleanup, models have to shower, etc...and we're charging for that.
We also take model compensation into consideration. A great way to lose a model is to have her get covered head to toe in slime/pies then all the effort that goes into cleaning off and say "perfect, and here's your $100." If they're not going to fairly compensate the model it's a no-go.
We get a fair amount of "what can I get for a pie custom for $100?" The answer is "nothing." But yes, to your point, if the custom requires special ordered outfits then we have to wait until they arrive.
Reading through the differences in the way various producers do things, would it make sense to have a thread somewhere, maybe in the groups etc. where producers can spell out how they do things with customs? Who takes 50% up front, who takes the money the day before the shoot, who uses escrow etc. Also with contact information for commissioning a custom. Then some timeline information. Where a producer can say something like our current customs are taking X amount of months from initial agreement on the scene to delivery. Of course there will be some outliers if you want a model that has a tight window, or you want a pair of specific models and trying to arrange schedules that way. I think it might help with the expectations people have for the time to complete a custom. This would also have to be something that producers could update if they get an influx of customs so that people will have the most up to date information. Something like a quarterly update.
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
dalamar666 said: Reading through the differences in the way various producers do things, would it make sense to have a thread somewhere, maybe in the groups etc. where producers can spell out how they do things with customs? Who takes 50% up front, who takes the money the day before the shoot, who uses escrow etc. Also with contact information for commissioning a custom. Then some timeline information. Where a producer can say something like our current customs are taking X amount of months from initial agreement on the scene to delivery. Of course there will be some outliers if you want a model that has a tight window, or you want a pair of specific models and trying to arrange schedules that way. I think it might help with the expectations people have for the time to complete a custom. This would also have to be something that producers could update if they get an influx of customs so that people will have the most up to date information. Something like a quarterly update.
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
No. Because Messygirl lied about all topics. He's a fraud. He's undedicated.
tdk79853 said: Hi everyone,
I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention. Following up on my last post, I still haven't received any refund nor video that I originally commissioned 1 year ago. I was holding off on saying anything but now I know that you cannot trust what they say. They keep asking for extensions because the models are "not available". This to me is very unprofessional when someone keeps giving you the runaround. So, just be careful when doing a commission with Messygirl because there is that chance you might not get the video you pay for or might not get the video at all.
I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention. Following up on my last post, I still haven't received any refund nor video that I originally commissioned 1 year ago. I was holding off on saying anything but now I know that you cannot trust what they say. They keep asking for extensions because the models are "not available". This to me is very unprofessional when someone keeps giving you the runaround. So, just be careful when doing a commission with Messygirl because there is that chance you might not get the video you pay for or might not get the video at all.
thanks for making this and keeping our community informed
Alana of SexyMessyBabes
DungeonMasterOne said:
That does rather depend on the custom. Leaving aside MG's issues, it's clear from this thread and various predecessors that different people have very different ideas of what a custom actually is. In my case, when we've done customs (for which we have a 100% satisfaction rate) they have often required elaborate setups or complex outfit requirements. Hence we charge 50% in advance, 50% on completion, plus a guarentee that should we not have managed to shoot the scene within three months of taking the deposit, cancel and full refund. But our customs customers generally want a very specific model or combination of models, in very specific outfits and following a reasonably detailed scene plan, things that can take several weeks to organise and get everything delivered.
And as an example of how unpredictable deliveries can be - back in 22 we ordered several outfit items from Shein in China, plus some jodhpurs from a supplier in Devon, for a general scene, not even a custom. Now I knew I was cutting it fine on the Chinese stuff and had contingency fallbacks if they didn't arrive in time, given the delivery date Shein quoted was the day before we were due to shoot. However what actually happened was the stuff from China arrived the preceding Tuesday, while the jodhpurs never showed up and only arrived the week after the shoot. OK, it's a fair distance from Devon to Yorkshire if you do it on horseback but these days we have trains and lorries. Fortunately I'd randomly bought an extra pair of white jeans in a charity shop the weekend before - which is why the scene has both Friday and Maude in white jeans, when in fact Friday was meant to have been in white jodhpurs for it. The scene was this one:
https://saturationhall.umd.net/download_info/three-gloopy-girls-all-in-white
Back to customs: Having the customer pay 50% in advance covers specialist outfit and substance purchases, with the 50% on completion covering the model fees which the producer will have already paid on shoot day, plus expenses and profit.
johnnypie said: Correct. There's no reason to take a dime from anyone until you're ready to shoot. That's the ethical way to do customs. Just look a MG's reputation now. No thanks. We have a four girl shoot this coming Thursday and just blasting out for customs today.
That does rather depend on the custom. Leaving aside MG's issues, it's clear from this thread and various predecessors that different people have very different ideas of what a custom actually is. In my case, when we've done customs (for which we have a 100% satisfaction rate) they have often required elaborate setups or complex outfit requirements. Hence we charge 50% in advance, 50% on completion, plus a guarentee that should we not have managed to shoot the scene within three months of taking the deposit, cancel and full refund. But our customs customers generally want a very specific model or combination of models, in very specific outfits and following a reasonably detailed scene plan, things that can take several weeks to organise and get everything delivered.
And as an example of how unpredictable deliveries can be - back in 22 we ordered several outfit items from Shein in China, plus some jodhpurs from a supplier in Devon, for a general scene, not even a custom. Now I knew I was cutting it fine on the Chinese stuff and had contingency fallbacks if they didn't arrive in time, given the delivery date Shein quoted was the day before we were due to shoot. However what actually happened was the stuff from China arrived the preceding Tuesday, while the jodhpurs never showed up and only arrived the week after the shoot. OK, it's a fair distance from Devon to Yorkshire if you do it on horseback but these days we have trains and lorries. Fortunately I'd randomly bought an extra pair of white jeans in a charity shop the weekend before - which is why the scene has both Friday and Maude in white jeans, when in fact Friday was meant to have been in white jodhpurs for it. The scene was this one:
https://saturationhall.umd.net/download_info/three-gloopy-girls-all-in-white
Back to customs: Having the customer pay 50% in advance covers specialist outfit and substance purchases, with the 50% on completion covering the model fees which the producer will have already paid on shoot day, plus expenses and profit.
I think all this pales in comparison to the important factor that no matter what your system is, that communication is 100% throughout the entire process. Still got a couple weeks before the shoot? Ping the client to remind them that the day is coming up and to ask any final questions before the shoot to refine your day. They will appreciate that you are keeping them in mind. Done shooting? Message all your custom clients that you completed the shoot and what the process is going forward. Even if you said it once already, saying it again gives the customer a peace of mind that you are on top of it. They will appreciate it.
1 months after delivery? Check in and ask them how they are enjoying everything! This is customer service 101 and don't tell me how you don't have time. If you have the time to take their money, you got the time to send a short email.
It doesn't matter whether you take 50% now and 50% later or 100% up front, if you fail at communicating with your customer, don't be surprised when they display disappointment when you fall behind in your obligations. They are choosing you for a reason. Don't be the reason they fire you.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
I really don't like MG's mean spirited responses in this thread - They have lost a customer. 
gooeypiefight said:
No. Because Messygirl lied about all topics. He's a fraud. He's undedicated.
dalamar666 said: Reading through the differences in the way various producers do things, would it make sense to have a thread somewhere, maybe in the groups etc. where producers can spell out how they do things with customs? Who takes 50% up front, who takes the money the day before the shoot, who uses escrow etc. Also with contact information for commissioning a custom. Then some timeline information. Where a producer can say something like our current customs are taking X amount of months from initial agreement on the scene to delivery. Of course there will be some outliers if you want a model that has a tight window, or you want a pair of specific models and trying to arrange schedules that way. I think it might help with the expectations people have for the time to complete a custom. This would also have to be something that producers could update if they get an influx of customs so that people will have the most up to date information. Something like a quarterly update.
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
No. Because Messygirl lied about all topics. He's a fraud. He's undedicated.
Correct. So this thread is "buyer beware" for anyone wanting to get a custom from Messy Girl.
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