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"Messygirl Customs experience"
Love you, too
I won't take sides on this but I will say.
That I have had SUCH a hard time taking customs bc I have this job and two other important jobs-at home.
Solately? I have tried to get customs together and people will bug me to death and I respond to them and they end up wasting my time and the ppl who really wanted one? Didn't get answered for a while bc I was trying so hard to focus on what was in front of me-that once it was time to pay? They bounced out or "couldn't figure out how to use this app or that app"
As I have gotten older my adhd has gotten sooooo bad- so? I have tried to tell ppl they can message me on what's app or Skype.
I'm working on it. It ccsn be extremely hard.
The way I guess I keep from people getting too upset is that I do not take money. Not until we are ready to shoot it and I'm on my way to the store.
But? I've had a very hard time lately. I am not saying that MG is right or wrong. I do know that he is making great money- and doing well here bc he does release some great material. Maybe he can try what I'm trying to do and do different ways if talking to customers or even hire someorm
wish you ALL the best. Mg and all of you. !
That I have had SUCH a hard time taking customs bc I have this job and two other important jobs-at home.
Solately? I have tried to get customs together and people will bug me to death and I respond to them and they end up wasting my time and the ppl who really wanted one? Didn't get answered for a while bc I was trying so hard to focus on what was in front of me-that once it was time to pay? They bounced out or "couldn't figure out how to use this app or that app"
As I have gotten older my adhd has gotten sooooo bad- so? I have tried to tell ppl they can message me on what's app or Skype.
I'm working on it. It ccsn be extremely hard.
The way I guess I keep from people getting too upset is that I do not take money. Not until we are ready to shoot it and I'm on my way to the store.
But? I've had a very hard time lately. I am not saying that MG is right or wrong. I do know that he is making great money- and doing well here bc he does release some great material. Maybe he can try what I'm trying to do and do different ways if talking to customers or even hire someorm
wish you ALL the best. Mg and all of you. !There isn’t a mess I don’t love!
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
johnnypie said: Correct. There's no reason to take a dime from anyone until you're ready to shoot. That's the ethical way to do customs. Just look a MG's reputation now. No thanks. We have a four girl shoot this coming Thursday and just blasting out for customs today.
That does rather depend on the custom. Leaving aside MG's issues, it's clear from this thread and various predecessors that different people have very different ideas of what a custom actually is. In my case, when we've done customs (for which we have a 100% satisfaction rate) they have often required elaborate setups or complex outfit requirements. Hence we charge 50% in advance, 50% on completion, plus a guarentee that should we not have managed to shoot the scene within three months of taking the deposit, cancel and full refund. But our customs customers generally want a very specific model or combination of models, in very specific outfits and following a reasonably detailed scene plan, things that can take several weeks to organise and get everything delivered.
And as an example of how unpredictable deliveries can be - back in 22 we ordered several outfit items from Shein in China, plus some jodhpurs from a supplier in Devon, for a general scene, not even a custom. Now I knew I was cutting it fine on the Chinese stuff and had contingency fallbacks if they didn't arrive in time, given the delivery date Shein quoted was the day before we were due to shoot. However what actually happened was the stuff from China arrived the preceding Tuesday, while the jodhpurs never showed up and only arrived the week after the shoot. OK, it's a fair distance from Devon to Yorkshire if you do it on horseback but these days we have trains and lorries. Fortunately I'd randomly bought an extra pair of white jeans in a charity shop the weekend before - which is why the scene has both Friday and Maude in white jeans, when in fact Friday was meant to have been in white jodhpurs for it. The scene was this one:
https://saturationhall.umd.net/download_info/three-gloopy-girls-all-in-white
Back to customs: Having the customer pay 50% in advance covers specialist outfit and substance purchases, with the 50% on completion covering the model fees which the producer will have already paid on shoot day, plus expenses and profit.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
Fair enough. For us, (I have a business partner) we only do customs when we're doing shoots. And the main purpose for our shoots is scenes for our business. Customs are nice extra money for the models, but we're very picky.
Models tend not to enjoy customs that are too detailed; where it takes 30 minutes just to read over the scene. It also has to make sense for us financially "start to finish." So if it's WAM custom, then you know the drill; shopping for ingredients, preparing the slime/pies, prepping the location, shoot, area cleanup, models have to shower, etc...and we're charging for that.
We also take model compensation into consideration. A great way to lose a model is to have her get covered head to toe in slime/pies then all the effort that goes into cleaning off and say "perfect, and here's your $100." If they're not going to fairly compensate the model it's a no-go.
We get a fair amount of "what can I get for a pie custom for $100?" The answer is "nothing." But yes, to your point, if the custom requires special ordered outfits then we have to wait until they arrive.
Models tend not to enjoy customs that are too detailed; where it takes 30 minutes just to read over the scene. It also has to make sense for us financially "start to finish." So if it's WAM custom, then you know the drill; shopping for ingredients, preparing the slime/pies, prepping the location, shoot, area cleanup, models have to shower, etc...and we're charging for that.
We also take model compensation into consideration. A great way to lose a model is to have her get covered head to toe in slime/pies then all the effort that goes into cleaning off and say "perfect, and here's your $100." If they're not going to fairly compensate the model it's a no-go.
We get a fair amount of "what can I get for a pie custom for $100?" The answer is "nothing." But yes, to your point, if the custom requires special ordered outfits then we have to wait until they arrive.
Reading through the differences in the way various producers do things, would it make sense to have a thread somewhere, maybe in the groups etc. where producers can spell out how they do things with customs? Who takes 50% up front, who takes the money the day before the shoot, who uses escrow etc. Also with contact information for commissioning a custom. Then some timeline information. Where a producer can say something like our current customs are taking X amount of months from initial agreement on the scene to delivery. Of course there will be some outliers if you want a model that has a tight window, or you want a pair of specific models and trying to arrange schedules that way. I think it might help with the expectations people have for the time to complete a custom. This would also have to be something that producers could update if they get an influx of customs so that people will have the most up to date information. Something like a quarterly update.
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
dalamar666 said: Reading through the differences in the way various producers do things, would it make sense to have a thread somewhere, maybe in the groups etc. where producers can spell out how they do things with customs? Who takes 50% up front, who takes the money the day before the shoot, who uses escrow etc. Also with contact information for commissioning a custom. Then some timeline information. Where a producer can say something like our current customs are taking X amount of months from initial agreement on the scene to delivery. Of course there will be some outliers if you want a model that has a tight window, or you want a pair of specific models and trying to arrange schedules that way. I think it might help with the expectations people have for the time to complete a custom. This would also have to be something that producers could update if they get an influx of customs so that people will have the most up to date information. Something like a quarterly update.
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
No. Because Messygirl lied about all topics. He's a fraud. He's undedicated.
tdk79853 said: Hi everyone,
I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention. Following up on my last post, I still haven't received any refund nor video that I originally commissioned 1 year ago. I was holding off on saying anything but now I know that you cannot trust what they say. They keep asking for extensions because the models are "not available". This to me is very unprofessional when someone keeps giving you the runaround. So, just be careful when doing a commission with Messygirl because there is that chance you might not get the video you pay for or might not get the video at all.
I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention. Following up on my last post, I still haven't received any refund nor video that I originally commissioned 1 year ago. I was holding off on saying anything but now I know that you cannot trust what they say. They keep asking for extensions because the models are "not available". This to me is very unprofessional when someone keeps giving you the runaround. So, just be careful when doing a commission with Messygirl because there is that chance you might not get the video you pay for or might not get the video at all.
thanks for making this and keeping our community informed
Alana of SexyMessyBabes
DungeonMasterOne said:
That does rather depend on the custom. Leaving aside MG's issues, it's clear from this thread and various predecessors that different people have very different ideas of what a custom actually is. In my case, when we've done customs (for which we have a 100% satisfaction rate) they have often required elaborate setups or complex outfit requirements. Hence we charge 50% in advance, 50% on completion, plus a guarentee that should we not have managed to shoot the scene within three months of taking the deposit, cancel and full refund. But our customs customers generally want a very specific model or combination of models, in very specific outfits and following a reasonably detailed scene plan, things that can take several weeks to organise and get everything delivered.
And as an example of how unpredictable deliveries can be - back in 22 we ordered several outfit items from Shein in China, plus some jodhpurs from a supplier in Devon, for a general scene, not even a custom. Now I knew I was cutting it fine on the Chinese stuff and had contingency fallbacks if they didn't arrive in time, given the delivery date Shein quoted was the day before we were due to shoot. However what actually happened was the stuff from China arrived the preceding Tuesday, while the jodhpurs never showed up and only arrived the week after the shoot. OK, it's a fair distance from Devon to Yorkshire if you do it on horseback but these days we have trains and lorries. Fortunately I'd randomly bought an extra pair of white jeans in a charity shop the weekend before - which is why the scene has both Friday and Maude in white jeans, when in fact Friday was meant to have been in white jodhpurs for it. The scene was this one:
https://saturationhall.umd.net/download_info/three-gloopy-girls-all-in-white
Back to customs: Having the customer pay 50% in advance covers specialist outfit and substance purchases, with the 50% on completion covering the model fees which the producer will have already paid on shoot day, plus expenses and profit.
johnnypie said: Correct. There's no reason to take a dime from anyone until you're ready to shoot. That's the ethical way to do customs. Just look a MG's reputation now. No thanks. We have a four girl shoot this coming Thursday and just blasting out for customs today.
That does rather depend on the custom. Leaving aside MG's issues, it's clear from this thread and various predecessors that different people have very different ideas of what a custom actually is. In my case, when we've done customs (for which we have a 100% satisfaction rate) they have often required elaborate setups or complex outfit requirements. Hence we charge 50% in advance, 50% on completion, plus a guarentee that should we not have managed to shoot the scene within three months of taking the deposit, cancel and full refund. But our customs customers generally want a very specific model or combination of models, in very specific outfits and following a reasonably detailed scene plan, things that can take several weeks to organise and get everything delivered.
And as an example of how unpredictable deliveries can be - back in 22 we ordered several outfit items from Shein in China, plus some jodhpurs from a supplier in Devon, for a general scene, not even a custom. Now I knew I was cutting it fine on the Chinese stuff and had contingency fallbacks if they didn't arrive in time, given the delivery date Shein quoted was the day before we were due to shoot. However what actually happened was the stuff from China arrived the preceding Tuesday, while the jodhpurs never showed up and only arrived the week after the shoot. OK, it's a fair distance from Devon to Yorkshire if you do it on horseback but these days we have trains and lorries. Fortunately I'd randomly bought an extra pair of white jeans in a charity shop the weekend before - which is why the scene has both Friday and Maude in white jeans, when in fact Friday was meant to have been in white jodhpurs for it. The scene was this one:
https://saturationhall.umd.net/download_info/three-gloopy-girls-all-in-white
Back to customs: Having the customer pay 50% in advance covers specialist outfit and substance purchases, with the 50% on completion covering the model fees which the producer will have already paid on shoot day, plus expenses and profit.
I think all this pales in comparison to the important factor that no matter what your system is, that communication is 100% throughout the entire process. Still got a couple weeks before the shoot? Ping the client to remind them that the day is coming up and to ask any final questions before the shoot to refine your day. They will appreciate that you are keeping them in mind. Done shooting? Message all your custom clients that you completed the shoot and what the process is going forward. Even if you said it once already, saying it again gives the customer a peace of mind that you are on top of it. They will appreciate it.
1 months after delivery? Check in and ask them how they are enjoying everything! This is customer service 101 and don't tell me how you don't have time. If you have the time to take their money, you got the time to send a short email.
It doesn't matter whether you take 50% now and 50% later or 100% up front, if you fail at communicating with your customer, don't be surprised when they display disappointment when you fall behind in your obligations. They are choosing you for a reason. Don't be the reason they fire you.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
I really don't like MG's mean spirited responses in this thread - They have lost a customer. 
gooeypiefight said:
No. Because Messygirl lied about all topics. He's a fraud. He's undedicated.
dalamar666 said: Reading through the differences in the way various producers do things, would it make sense to have a thread somewhere, maybe in the groups etc. where producers can spell out how they do things with customs? Who takes 50% up front, who takes the money the day before the shoot, who uses escrow etc. Also with contact information for commissioning a custom. Then some timeline information. Where a producer can say something like our current customs are taking X amount of months from initial agreement on the scene to delivery. Of course there will be some outliers if you want a model that has a tight window, or you want a pair of specific models and trying to arrange schedules that way. I think it might help with the expectations people have for the time to complete a custom. This would also have to be something that producers could update if they get an influx of customs so that people will have the most up to date information. Something like a quarterly update.
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
For those of you that have had a negative experience, if some of this information was known ahead of time, would you have still ordered?
No. Because Messygirl lied about all topics. He's a fraud. He's undedicated.
Correct. So this thread is "buyer beware" for anyone wanting to get a custom from Messy Girl.
johnnypie said: So this thread is "buyer beware" for anyone wanting to get a custom from Messy Girl.
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
Shiny-Lycra said:
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
johnnypie said: So this thread is "buyer beware" for anyone wanting to get a custom from Messy Girl.
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
Not any producer, my contracts are pretty clear cut what is going to happen and when. Don't lump everyone into a category as producers won't lump every inquiry as a time waster
I'm a hot mess ;)
Shiny-Lycra said:
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
johnnypie said: So this thread is "buyer beware" for anyone wanting to get a custom from Messy Girl.
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
Yeah, painting all producers with the same brush isn't the answer either
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Brattyshortcakes said:
my contracts are pretty clear cut what is going to happen and when.
my contracts are pretty clear cut what is going to happen and when.
Thank you, that's a really good example of what options are available to people ordering customs.
Not all producers are equal and that's why buyer beware is important.
Both buyer and seller are on their own in the transaction, there is nobody to turn to if one party is unhappy.
It's not lumping anyone into groups or painting anyone with any brushes, buyer beware is a reflection of the practicalities of the market. Neither party has any comeback. Producers must be exercising their due diligence as well otherwise it would all fall apart and nobody would be offering customs.
Shiny-Lycra said:
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
johnnypie said: So this thread is "buyer beware" for anyone wanting to get a custom from Messy Girl.
Buying a custom from any producer is buyer beware.
False. We (my biz partner and I) have never failed once to deliver a custom within two weeks. In over five years of producing customs together we've only had to issue two refunds when a model wasn't available. We shoot two to three times I week and can't possibly count how many customs we've done.
Don't use Messy Girl's con artist reputation to paint all of us as "risky."
johnnypie said:
False. We (my biz partner and I) have never failed once to deliver a custom within two weeks. In over five years of producing customs together we've only had to issue two refunds when a model wasn't available. We shoot two to three times I week and can't possibly count how many customs we've done.
Don't use Messy Girl's con artist reputation to paint all of us as "risky."
False. We (my biz partner and I) have never failed once to deliver a custom within two weeks. In over five years of producing customs together we've only had to issue two refunds when a model wasn't available. We shoot two to three times I week and can't possibly count how many customs we've done.
Don't use Messy Girl's con artist reputation to paint all of us as "risky."
How is buying a custom not caveat emptor? There is no middle man involved so it has to be.
The number of years you've been delivering customs and how many customers you've had doesn't change anything about caveat emptor or the responsibilities of the buyer.
It's got nothing to do with painting anyone as being risky. It's the nature of the type of transaction which means there are risks involved.
Reading through this, I am thinking it is not so much buyer beware for everyone. Maybe more of a do your due diligence so you do not end up creating another thread about a producer who has not fulfilled a custom and is ghosting you. I think we have these threads about once every quarter to 6 months. These threads also bring out at least 2 or 3 more people who are in the same situation. That is precisely why these threads are helpful. People are sometimes embarrassed about admitting they are suffering with a custom. Where they have done everything on their end.
The idea of having a third party broker has been discussed in these kind of threads before, the issue with that is that you would need to be PCI compliant if you store any information on your machines. There are a lot of regulations around being a broker just in the U.S., not to mention in other countries. It is a risk that a lot of people do not want to take on and I do not blame them. I think at the very least when it comes to customs that we should be discouraging people from using payment processing methods that do not provide protections for the purchaser against theft. As soon as you use a service like that or choose friend and family, you lose your protections as a purchaser. You should not be removing your protections under the name of convenience or excess fees for the producer. These fees are a cost of doing business. They are also a side effect of producers not being honest about things. If you are sending money to a business when you have those protections, don't wait until it is too late to file a claim. If you have not received your product 30 days after payment, you should be filing a claim with the company you paid the money through.
The idea of having a third party broker has been discussed in these kind of threads before, the issue with that is that you would need to be PCI compliant if you store any information on your machines. There are a lot of regulations around being a broker just in the U.S., not to mention in other countries. It is a risk that a lot of people do not want to take on and I do not blame them. I think at the very least when it comes to customs that we should be discouraging people from using payment processing methods that do not provide protections for the purchaser against theft. As soon as you use a service like that or choose friend and family, you lose your protections as a purchaser. You should not be removing your protections under the name of convenience or excess fees for the producer. These fees are a cost of doing business. They are also a side effect of producers not being honest about things. If you are sending money to a business when you have those protections, don't wait until it is too late to file a claim. If you have not received your product 30 days after payment, you should be filing a claim with the company you paid the money through.
The number of years you've been delivering customs and how many customers you've had doesn't change anything about caveat emptor or the responsibilities of the buyer.
It's got nothing to do with painting anyone as being risky. It's the nature of the type of transaction which means there are risks involved.
100%. Most of these producers are one man bands. You give them money, they say it will take a few stroke and end up in the hospital, there's not anyone to pick that job up.
johnnypie said: Most scammers only take peer-to-peer payments; CashApp, Venmo or PayPal friends and family. You cannot file chargebacks using those methods. And if a producer only offers these methods, its a big red flag.
The problem is CC processing. Almost none of them will touch fetish or adult. You try it and get caught, they can literally freeze the funds and then you are REALLY screwed. Paypal will absolutely do this. One performer lost thousands this way because some dimwit put "wrestling custom" in the notes and it cost her. P2P sadly is what CC merchants are pushing performers and producers towards if this nonsense doesn't stop.
It's why I been slowly transferring our content to another site with a payment processor that does permit customs and take payments. The caveat is they take a higher percentage out per transaction because of the risk involved with doing biz with fetish/adult producers.
Also, let's not dive down the rabbit hole of how many performers and producers get screwed from wrongful/illegitimate chargebacks. In quite a few cases, p2p is out of necessity because it's the one of the few protections they have against that tactic. Now if we lived in a perfect world where credit card processors were not going out of their way to make our lives harder in an already volatile market, then I could agree with you more on that
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said: Also, let's not dive down the rabbit hole of how many performers and producers get screwed from wrongful/illegitimate chargebacks. In quite a few cases, p2p is out of necessity because it's the one of the few protections they have against that tactic. Now if we lived in a perfect world where credit card processors were not going out of their way to make our lives harder in an already volatile market, then I could agree with you more on that
There should be a warning system for producers just like for customers. If a producer gets screwed by a customer, they should blast them on the forums and any known aliases just like customers should blast producers. We need to look out for each other.
dalamar666 said:
There should be a warning system for producers just like for customers. If a producer gets screwed by a customer, they should blast them on the forums and any known aliases just like customers should blast producers. We need to look out for each other.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said: Also, let's not dive down the rabbit hole of how many performers and producers get screwed from wrongful/illegitimate chargebacks. In quite a few cases, p2p is out of necessity because it's the one of the few protections they have against that tactic. Now if we lived in a perfect world where credit card processors were not going out of their way to make our lives harder in an already volatile market, then I could agree with you more on that
There should be a warning system for producers just like for customers. If a producer gets screwed by a customer, they should blast them on the forums and any known aliases just like customers should blast producers. We need to look out for each other.
Luckily, the ladies have a few systems in place. They're crude but effective. One of which is the pipeline of shared experiences of unscrupulous producers or customers. It's slower and only helps the women who are actively involved with the community of other performers but it works. They, more often than not, find these people out before we ever do. Models talk. Something to be aware of if someone thinks they can pull one over them.
There has been a slew of recent events that took place that outed a few producers who have either violated the boundaries of the talent or have just straight up freaked them out (stalking) that has gotten many of us talking about creating a platform similar to Model Mayhem but specifically made with the performers safety in mind rife with resources for performers and producers alike. Hopefully it will keep this momentum and materialize into something
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Luckily, the ladies have a few systems in place. They're crude but effective. One of which is the pipeline of shared experiences of unscrupulous producers or customers. It's slower and only helps the women who are actively involved with the community of other performers but it works. They, more often than not, find these people out before we ever do. Models talk. Something to be aware of if someone thinks they can pull one over them.
There has been a slew of recent events that took place that outed a few producers who have either violated the boundaries of the talent or have just straight up freaked them out (stalking) that has gotten many of us talking about creating a platform similar to Model Mayhem but specifically made with the performers safety in mind rife with resources for performers and producers alike. Hopefully it will keep this momentum and materialize into something
dalamar666 said:
There should be a warning system for producers just like for customers. If a producer gets screwed by a customer, they should blast them on the forums and any known aliases just like customers should blast producers. We need to look out for each other.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said: Also, let's not dive down the rabbit hole of how many performers and producers get screwed from wrongful/illegitimate chargebacks. In quite a few cases, p2p is out of necessity because it's the one of the few protections they have against that tactic. Now if we lived in a perfect world where credit card processors were not going out of their way to make our lives harder in an already volatile market, then I could agree with you more on that
There should be a warning system for producers just like for customers. If a producer gets screwed by a customer, they should blast them on the forums and any known aliases just like customers should blast producers. We need to look out for each other.
Luckily, the ladies have a few systems in place. They're crude but effective. One of which is the pipeline of shared experiences of unscrupulous producers or customers. It's slower and only helps the women who are actively involved with the community of other performers but it works. They, more often than not, find these people out before we ever do. Models talk. Something to be aware of if someone thinks they can pull one over them.
There has been a slew of recent events that took place that outed a few producers who have either violated the boundaries of the talent or have just straight up freaked them out (stalking) that has gotten many of us talking about creating a platform similar to Model Mayhem but specifically made with the performers safety in mind rife with resources for performers and producers alike. Hopefully it will keep this momentum and materialize into something
Yep, I know about these incidences, especially a recent one that blew up on Twitter where I know all of the models involved. And I'm actually putting together a fetish model/producer site that will function as a directory but also with industry info. Model Mayhem totally sucks. Especially for producers.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
The problem is CC processing. Almost none of them will touch fetish or adult. You try it and get caught, they can literally freeze the funds and then you are REALLY screwed. Paypal will absolutely do this. One performer lost thousands this way because some dimwit put "wrestling custom" in the notes and it cost her. P2P sadly is what CC merchants are pushing performers and producers towards if this nonsense doesn't stop.
It's why I been slowly transferring our content to another site with a payment processor that does permit customs and take payments. The caveat is they take a higher percentage out per transaction because of the risk involved with doing biz with fetish/adult producers.
Also, let's not dive down the rabbit hole of how many performers and producers get screwed from wrongful/illegitimate chargebacks. In quite a few cases, p2p is out of necessity because it's the one of the few protections they have against that tactic. Now if we lived in a perfect world where credit card processors were not going out of their way to make our lives harder in an already volatile market, then I could agree with you more on that
johnnypie said: Most scammers only take peer-to-peer payments; CashApp, Venmo or PayPal friends and family. You cannot file chargebacks using those methods. And if a producer only offers these methods, its a big red flag.
The problem is CC processing. Almost none of them will touch fetish or adult. You try it and get caught, they can literally freeze the funds and then you are REALLY screwed. Paypal will absolutely do this. One performer lost thousands this way because some dimwit put "wrestling custom" in the notes and it cost her. P2P sadly is what CC merchants are pushing performers and producers towards if this nonsense doesn't stop.
It's why I been slowly transferring our content to another site with a payment processor that does permit customs and take payments. The caveat is they take a higher percentage out per transaction because of the risk involved with doing biz with fetish/adult producers.
Also, let's not dive down the rabbit hole of how many performers and producers get screwed from wrongful/illegitimate chargebacks. In quite a few cases, p2p is out of necessity because it's the one of the few protections they have against that tactic. Now if we lived in a perfect world where credit card processors were not going out of their way to make our lives harder in an already volatile market, then I could agree with you more on that
I would write a book about this, charging for videos since 1999. Of course, back then it was money order lol. Yes there's a huge push for everyone to use Venmo/Cashapp because chargebacks aren't allowed. However, it's a scammers paradise. Also Zelle completely pulled their app due to scams.
Cashapp definitely protects the producer/model but offers zero buyer protection. I've taken a bit of a risk for years using my Square account to take payments. Square has no idea what the payment is for. My risk is a chargeback where the buyer states that it's fetish/adult related. But so far so good with that method (for years) and I only pay 3% processing.
We do use Cashapp to sell videos direct. No platform. We blast out a preview, anyone who wants to buy it emails us, pays, we send the video. Perfect for almost zero fees.
johnnypie said: Most scammers only take peer-to-peer payments; CashApp, Venmo or PayPal friends and family. You cannot file chargebacks using those methods. And if a producer only offers these methods, its a big red flag.
hey hey hey now....
I know and have read how well you get your customs out-and that is fantastic!
but? There are plenty of producers that use these methods of payment bc that is all their customer has or? that is what is the most simple.
I, myself? Offer cash app, venmo, google pay, western union, wize, apple pay, or? they can mail me visa gift cards from my amazon wish list.
or? they can mail me a check. However works best for them. I just do not do P.P. BC they will literally take your money and hold it. Sometimes? They wont give it back. and rightfully so-their terms are clear.
but? Just because you dont use those doesnt mean people that do? Are wrong. You can request money back via venmo, and wize I do believe. I have never had anyone have to ask for it back so I dont know...but I know for sure you can on venmo - request funds. Just because I saw it as an option one day.
and yes, I do agree that I have had to take money sooner than usual if someone wants an outfit ordered or if their supplies are in bulk and coming from a distribution center. I used to just cover it with my own funds until time to pay the rest but? I had people who had me buy the supplies (LOTS of them, hundreds of dollars worth) and then? they dipped out. Or? They bought all these supplies and I went and got all of them and then? They were gone. Knowing that I would have to use this stuff because it is perishable? They ended up buying a 13 dollar video with all the supplies they purchased in it-Where I had to pay the models, the camera man, tarps, and TIME. So? As a producer I can say.....that I am just as scared of customers as they may be of me.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
There isn’t a mess I don’t love!
Jayce said:
hey hey hey now....
I know and have read how well you get your customs out-and that is fantastic!
but? There are plenty of producers that use these methods of payment bc that is all their customer has or? that is what is the most simple.
I, myself? Offer cash app, venmo, google pay, western union, wize, apple pay, or? they can mail me visa gift cards from my amazon wish list.
or? they can mail me a check. However works best for them. I just do not do P.P. BC they will literally take your money and hold it. Sometimes? They wont give it back. and rightfully so-their terms are clear.
but? Just because you dont use those doesnt mean people that do? Are wrong. You can request money back via venmo, and wize I do believe. I have never had anyone have to ask for it back so I dont know...but I know for sure you can on venmo - request funds. Just because I saw it as an option one day.
and yes, I do agree that I have had to take money sooner than usual if someone wants an outfit ordered or if their supplies are in bulk and coming from a distribution center. I used to just cover it with my own funds until time to pay the rest but? I had people who had me buy the supplies (LOTS of them, hundreds of dollars worth) and then? they dipped out. Or? They bought all these supplies and I went and got all of them and then? They were gone. Knowing that I would have to use this stuff because it is perishable? They ended up buying a 13 dollar video with all the supplies they purchased in it-Where I had to pay the models, the camera man, tarps, and TIME. So? As a producer I can say.....that I am just as scared of customers as they may be of me.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
johnnypie said: Most scammers only take peer-to-peer payments; CashApp, Venmo or PayPal friends and family. You cannot file chargebacks using those methods. And if a producer only offers these methods, its a big red flag.
hey hey hey now....
I know and have read how well you get your customs out-and that is fantastic!
but? There are plenty of producers that use these methods of payment bc that is all their customer has or? that is what is the most simple.
I, myself? Offer cash app, venmo, google pay, western union, wize, apple pay, or? they can mail me visa gift cards from my amazon wish list.
or? they can mail me a check. However works best for them. I just do not do P.P. BC they will literally take your money and hold it. Sometimes? They wont give it back. and rightfully so-their terms are clear.
but? Just because you dont use those doesnt mean people that do? Are wrong. You can request money back via venmo, and wize I do believe. I have never had anyone have to ask for it back so I dont know...but I know for sure you can on venmo - request funds. Just because I saw it as an option one day.
and yes, I do agree that I have had to take money sooner than usual if someone wants an outfit ordered or if their supplies are in bulk and coming from a distribution center. I used to just cover it with my own funds until time to pay the rest but? I had people who had me buy the supplies (LOTS of them, hundreds of dollars worth) and then? they dipped out. Or? They bought all these supplies and I went and got all of them and then? They were gone. Knowing that I would have to use this stuff because it is perishable? They ended up buying a 13 dollar video with all the supplies they purchased in it-Where I had to pay the models, the camera man, tarps, and TIME. So? As a producer I can say.....that I am just as scared of customers as they may be of me.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
PP shut me down years back for taking money for customs. No notes, no idea how in the world they determined it was adult. Because PP ownes Venmo, they also shut me down.
I take CashApp or Square. I've had Square for countless years and maybe I have a leg up since I run a FT business using it so I process a lot. Sending out invoices for customs doesn't even show up on their radar but yes, I risk a chargeback with that method. I've never been charged back or had a customer threaten to charge me back since 1999.
I'll be honest and state we take very little WAM customs. We are very picky with the scripts and absolutely are going to charge for the time/ingredients. We don't need the money. So if someone's gonna come at us with a 2-girl 30 minute slime custom with "my budget is $300" we don't even reply to that crap.
Jayce said: and yes, I do agree that I have had to take money sooner than usual if someone wants an outfit ordered or if their supplies are in bulk and coming from a distribution center. I used to just cover it with my own funds until time to pay the rest but? I had people who had me buy the supplies (LOTS of them, hundreds of dollars worth) and then? they dipped out. Or? They bought all these supplies and I went and got all of them and then? They were gone. Knowing that I would have to use this stuff because it is perishable? They ended up buying a 13 dollar video with all the supplies they purchased in it-Where I had to pay the models, the camera man, tarps, and TIME. So? As a producer I can say.....that I am just as scared of customers as they may be of me.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
You should not be dicked around, that is fucked up. We really need to do better with each other.
I would LOVE to see MM put something in place where if you dick around a producer he does what he can to make sure you are not allowed here. Yeah there are other platforms and places to find people for customs, but we should be able to do what we can for our little section of the community. Name names Jayce! Let other producers know about these people. Let other customers know about these people. I can see where amateurs who are just starting out would leave the scene if they get screwed over by people. These people make doing customs harder.
I really like the idea of the site that Johnnypie is talking about. I want to say backpages had something similar. Where the escorts could rate the johns and vice versa. I think that if a site did not offer any services through the site it just let you see reviews of people. There should not have to be an underground network of information sharing. Don't host the site in the U.S., make sure it is hosted somewhere that all kinds of sex work is legal. If backpage had done that I think we would still have them today.
johnnypie said:
PP shut me down years back for taking money for customs. No notes, no idea how in the world they determined it was adult. Because PP ownes Venmo, they also shut me down.
I take CashApp or Square. I've had Square for countless years and maybe I have a leg up since I run a FT business using it so I process a lot. Sending out invoices for customs doesn't even show up on their radar but yes, I risk a chargeback with that method. I've never been charged back or had a customer threaten to charge me back since 1999.
I'll be honest and state we take very little WAM customs. We are very picky with the scripts and absolutely are going to charge for the time/ingredients. We don't need the money. So if someone's gonna come at us with a 2-girl 30 minute slime custom with "my budget is $300" we don't even reply to that crap.
Jayce said:
hey hey hey now....
I know and have read how well you get your customs out-and that is fantastic!
but? There are plenty of producers that use these methods of payment bc that is all their customer has or? that is what is the most simple.
I, myself? Offer cash app, venmo, google pay, western union, wize, apple pay, or? they can mail me visa gift cards from my amazon wish list.
or? they can mail me a check. However works best for them. I just do not do P.P. BC they will literally take your money and hold it. Sometimes? They wont give it back. and rightfully so-their terms are clear.
but? Just because you dont use those doesnt mean people that do? Are wrong. You can request money back via venmo, and wize I do believe. I have never had anyone have to ask for it back so I dont know...but I know for sure you can on venmo - request funds. Just because I saw it as an option one day.
and yes, I do agree that I have had to take money sooner than usual if someone wants an outfit ordered or if their supplies are in bulk and coming from a distribution center. I used to just cover it with my own funds until time to pay the rest but? I had people who had me buy the supplies (LOTS of them, hundreds of dollars worth) and then? they dipped out. Or? They bought all these supplies and I went and got all of them and then? They were gone. Knowing that I would have to use this stuff because it is perishable? They ended up buying a 13 dollar video with all the supplies they purchased in it-Where I had to pay the models, the camera man, tarps, and TIME. So? As a producer I can say.....that I am just as scared of customers as they may be of me.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
johnnypie said: Most scammers only take peer-to-peer payments; CashApp, Venmo or PayPal friends and family. You cannot file chargebacks using those methods. And if a producer only offers these methods, its a big red flag.
hey hey hey now....
I know and have read how well you get your customs out-and that is fantastic!
but? There are plenty of producers that use these methods of payment bc that is all their customer has or? that is what is the most simple.
I, myself? Offer cash app, venmo, google pay, western union, wize, apple pay, or? they can mail me visa gift cards from my amazon wish list.
or? they can mail me a check. However works best for them. I just do not do P.P. BC they will literally take your money and hold it. Sometimes? They wont give it back. and rightfully so-their terms are clear.
but? Just because you dont use those doesnt mean people that do? Are wrong. You can request money back via venmo, and wize I do believe. I have never had anyone have to ask for it back so I dont know...but I know for sure you can on venmo - request funds. Just because I saw it as an option one day.
and yes, I do agree that I have had to take money sooner than usual if someone wants an outfit ordered or if their supplies are in bulk and coming from a distribution center. I used to just cover it with my own funds until time to pay the rest but? I had people who had me buy the supplies (LOTS of them, hundreds of dollars worth) and then? they dipped out. Or? They bought all these supplies and I went and got all of them and then? They were gone. Knowing that I would have to use this stuff because it is perishable? They ended up buying a 13 dollar video with all the supplies they purchased in it-Where I had to pay the models, the camera man, tarps, and TIME. So? As a producer I can say.....that I am just as scared of customers as they may be of me.
Ive been dicked over so many times trusting people? Losing tons of money? I have lost track. So? It can go both ways.
PP shut me down years back for taking money for customs. No notes, no idea how in the world they determined it was adult. Because PP ownes Venmo, they also shut me down.
I take CashApp or Square. I've had Square for countless years and maybe I have a leg up since I run a FT business using it so I process a lot. Sending out invoices for customs doesn't even show up on their radar but yes, I risk a chargeback with that method. I've never been charged back or had a customer threaten to charge me back since 1999.
I'll be honest and state we take very little WAM customs. We are very picky with the scripts and absolutely are going to charge for the time/ingredients. We don't need the money. So if someone's gonna come at us with a 2-girl 30 minute slime custom with "my budget is $300" we don't even reply to that crap.
This is why I don't have a store on here but would love to. Using paypal for anything that can be considered adult can get your access removed.
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