PieromaniacAttack-ack-ack said: In addition to the debt of gratitude WAM fans owe Phoebe for her own stellar pioneering work in the field, we should also be grateful to her for the strong influence she had on an extremely popular amateur female wammer of more recent times. I'm talking about the incredible kittenish.
SStuff said: Here's her last ever post on the UMD. It's a very interesting read. No wonder she hasn't posted since. https://umd.net/forums/how-can-we-make-the-umd-safer-for-women
Holland said: Sorry. I don't see her posting anywhere on that thread.
I was confused by that at first. kittenish posted the thread that SStuff linked to above, not Phoebe.
As for Phoebe, I'm sorry to hear about her death. I bought her book a few years ago, but never read it, so I should really get round to that.
Found a memorial photo set of her on her online obituaries. She really was a beautiful woman. I first discovered UMD the summer of 2000 and Phoebe was the first producer I got into. Before I found her and this site, I thought I was the only person on the planet who got turn on to woman getting slimed/pied. Discovering UMD made me feel like I wasn't alone and I am grateful to this site and her memories for becoming the person I am today.
Wow this is crazy to read! I found her site over 20 years ago, she was my inspiration. Sad to see she was only 46 and scary because that's not that much more then my own age.
SStuff said: I'm really sorry to hear that. Phoebe was a pivotal member of this community, arguably the first big "amateur" model at a time when pretty much all the content was big producers like MessyFun, Splosh, and SSS. (MessyGirl Leah also started around this same time too.)
Of course, I was bummed to find out years later (via the late Lenny Sorge) that Phoebe wasn't really a "WAMmer," and actually it was her BF-at-the-time doing everything. But still.... At the time, when the illusion was real, I LOVED her stuff. I suspect many others did too. The fact that we all still remember the famous "Phoebe pie sandwich".... which is now something like 23 years old (!!).... oughta tell you how influential she was.
Rob Blaine... Lenny Sorge.... Bill Shipton.... and now Phoebe.... We've lost a lot of the greats of the "early era" of WAM over the years. (Someone check on WAMTEC Mark!! )
What? She wasn't a WAMmer? You ruined it Rich!
So sad that she was only 46... She was also one of the first, if not the first WAM material I saw on the internet when I got my first dial-up connection.
Rich is correct. I met Phoebe and her then boyfriend in 1998, when they came to my house for 2-3 days to do a series of video shoots with me and also with Lenny who was staying at my house. Lenny and I shot a few pie scenes and then I shot some carwash and hot tub scenes with Phoebe. In all the shoots she did she always looked extremely nervous and uncomfortable, but was being egged on by her boyfriend, who appeared to be the real wam fan. She was "the reluctant wammer" whose persona and wam fame was a myth created by her boyfriend. Lenny and I had planned to do a lot more shoots with her, but we stopped after 5-6 shoots because the footage did not look good, she was not enjoying herself and it showed on camera, she could not even crack a smile.
It is not a good idea to push your partner into doing what they do not feel comfortable doing, which is what her boyfriend pressured her to do. I leaned that from my wife, who lost interest in doing wam shoots about 2 years after we married, and when she she lost interest I gave her a rest and I asked her if she minded me hiring models for my shoots, and she was happy for me to hire models, because it let her off the hook.
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