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"How mainstream is Wam?"
So I came across this article today, it's from October and it talks about wam, or more specifically slime, being used in fashion shows. It then explores the fetish, and adds the question we've all probably asked ourselves at some point; how common is this fetish?
I've always thought of wam (which is such a general term anyway) as an oddity, a curiosity, not something the average person would be in to. But is that because they've never tried it? Or never heard of it? My wam fetishis, like most peoples, can be quite substance and scenario specific. Most food doesn't do it for me, beans, peas, gravy... savoury mess. I'm a gunge guy, pies and mud too. Whereas others go another way. Making it almost separate fetishises under one umbrella...
Anyway. So my question is, how mainstream is wam, and how much popular should it, or could it become? Interested on your thoughts guys and gals.
I'd love it to be more mainstream, and dare I say it.. more 'acceptable' whatever the hell that means. Though the mire it becomes known, the less 'accidental wam' we might see. Saturday morning gungings (im looking at you Willoughby) pie in the face routines, slapstick scenes in movies... scensorship will increase.
Anyway I thought it was an interesting topic.
Link below for the article
https://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/61162/1/slime-fetishists-turned-on-by-fashion-obsession-goo-gunge-prada-kink-shoes-ss24
I've always thought of wam (which is such a general term anyway) as an oddity, a curiosity, not something the average person would be in to. But is that because they've never tried it? Or never heard of it? My wam fetishis, like most peoples, can be quite substance and scenario specific. Most food doesn't do it for me, beans, peas, gravy... savoury mess. I'm a gunge guy, pies and mud too. Whereas others go another way. Making it almost separate fetishises under one umbrella...
Anyway. So my question is, how mainstream is wam, and how much popular should it, or could it become? Interested on your thoughts guys and gals.
I'd love it to be more mainstream, and dare I say it.. more 'acceptable' whatever the hell that means. Though the mire it becomes known, the less 'accidental wam' we might see. Saturday morning gungings (im looking at you Willoughby) pie in the face routines, slapstick scenes in movies... scensorship will increase.
Anyway I thought it was an interesting topic.
Link below for the article
https://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/61162/1/slime-fetishists-turned-on-by-fashion-obsession-goo-gunge-prada-kink-shoes-ss24
It's like any other fetish, sometimes it's considered taboo while other times it makes its way into the mainstream. I think Nickelodeon has made getting slimed more acceptable in the mainstream esp when celebs are getting in on the action. Ellen's talk show made it more palatable for certain audiences too. It's always been a part of comedy and will always be, but as far as it being widely acceptable as a fetish it's hard to say.
Americans tend to publicly pretend like they're not into kinks or fetishes, but behind closed doors they're willing to try anything. It seems to me that folks in the UK are more open about their love of WAM, which I think is awesome and frankly makes me jealous as an American. lol I think the internet has helped people like us realize that there's a lot of people who share in this fetish and want to explore and sites like this allow that. It's an interesting topic to discuss.
Americans tend to publicly pretend like they're not into kinks or fetishes, but behind closed doors they're willing to try anything. It seems to me that folks in the UK are more open about their love of WAM, which I think is awesome and frankly makes me jealous as an American. lol I think the internet has helped people like us realize that there's a lot of people who share in this fetish and want to explore and sites like this allow that. It's an interesting topic to discuss.
Get slimed at least once in your life!
"How common is this fetish? How mainstream is wam?": For most, what they see is nothing more than a tv-trope used for entertainment. It used to make music videos more arty or advertisements edgy. It is used by a runway fashion show to create a unique show just once and never to be repeated or copied. I think that when most people view it on mainstream media, they are not aware that what they are seeing is a fetish for other people (or a kink, pleasure, or whatever brings us here).
This was recently discussed: https://umd.net/forums/what-percentage-of-people-do-you-think-h
* As a kink or fetish, its is not common. It seems very rare.
* As a mainstream trope, it does not seem to be used as much as it used to be.
"How much popular should it become?": It does not even show up in most top kink/fetish lists. It should at least be popular enough to make most top-25 kink/fetish lists.
I read about other kinks and fetishes that are out there and they do not appeal to me. Some are repulsive to me. I wonder why they exist, and in the same way I think someone wonders why wam exists because it is repulsive to them. I feel like wam is a "better" fetish compared to some other ones on these lists, and it should be more popular compared to some other fetishes that make these top-25 lists.
* As a kink or fetish, I wish it was more popular, but I don't want it too popular because then the sex industry will take over and probably ruin it.
* As a mainstream trope, I don't know because I lost interest in tv and movies. I guess it should be more popular, but Hollywood does not seem capable of doing anything creative with wam. Small studios producing music videos seem to be better these days hehe.
"How much popular could it become?": I don't think it will become any more popular. It would need some heavy influence. Most people bring up tv shows or movies that had an influence. Now, there is an abundance of shows, movies, youtube, tiktoks, internet, and other forms of media. There is an abundance of other adult content on adult entertainment sites. Exposure to the concept either visually or physically seems limited. Google trends show decreasing popularity.
* As a kink or fetish, I don't think it could become more popular.
* As a mainstream trope, I don't think it could become popular as it was in the past. It might become more popular on music videos, ads, or even fashion shows to make their work seem more arty.
In TV there has been a noticeable decline of messy action. There's still some out there but I guess health & safety got involved and the whole thing probably isn't worth the effort for some production companies.
As a fetish it's appears largely unheard of or ignored. There are loads around that seem to be spoken of before wam is mentioned. Some seem crazy to me and I get it's each to the own and all that but wam has always been lighthearted and fun at heart (even when pretending to be humiliating or punishing). Whereas some of the stuff that appears to come up before wam in lists or articles just seem downright sadistic & harmful.
As for the future, who knows. There's always someone on one of the social platforms over dramatising a pie in the face post they're planning to gain online attention & popularity. Will these spark something in people and create a popular everyday wam world, unlikely. Take the ice bucket challenge, it started as a celeb thing for charity but it filtered down to everyone, the cause got lost and people were just doing it for their own attention, trying to top the last person by doing something bigger, better, more extreme. When it all went away the number of true wetlook fans probably remained the same.
I believe if you took away the likes a lot of people wouldn't be interested in doing any sort of wet or messy challenge or post. We get messy/watch messy for the sheer hell of it, no other personal gain other than the pure enjoyment it brings us and I think because of that we'll always remain quite niche.
As a fetish it's appears largely unheard of or ignored. There are loads around that seem to be spoken of before wam is mentioned. Some seem crazy to me and I get it's each to the own and all that but wam has always been lighthearted and fun at heart (even when pretending to be humiliating or punishing). Whereas some of the stuff that appears to come up before wam in lists or articles just seem downright sadistic & harmful.
As for the future, who knows. There's always someone on one of the social platforms over dramatising a pie in the face post they're planning to gain online attention & popularity. Will these spark something in people and create a popular everyday wam world, unlikely. Take the ice bucket challenge, it started as a celeb thing for charity but it filtered down to everyone, the cause got lost and people were just doing it for their own attention, trying to top the last person by doing something bigger, better, more extreme. When it all went away the number of true wetlook fans probably remained the same.
I believe if you took away the likes a lot of people wouldn't be interested in doing any sort of wet or messy challenge or post. We get messy/watch messy for the sheer hell of it, no other personal gain other than the pure enjoyment it brings us and I think because of that we'll always remain quite niche.
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
WAM is quite hard work compared to many fetishes, because of the complexity of preparation and the amount of effort needed to clean up afterwards. This means even people who are into it will mostly do it way less often than people who are into things you can just do in bed as normal sex play, like spanking or being chained up or non-messy performance stuff like dressing in PVC or latex.
It's also only sexy to a minority of people. There may be many people out there who don't mind getting wet and/or messy in a fun way, but still won't get anything sexual from it. I think there are basically three types of people when it comes to WAM:
1. People who actively dislike any form of being wet or messy. The kind of folk for whom even being out in the rain is horribly unplesant and something to avoid.
2. People who don't mind getting wet or messy in general and would happily take part in mud runs or assault courses or dunk tanks, or run into the sea with their clothes on for a laugh on a hot day, but don't get any form of erotic reaction from doing so, it's just fun.
3. People who actively find being wet and/or messy a sexual turn-on. That's us here, and we are a very tiny minority of the population.
In terms of "sexual or fetish awakening", some folk will be influenced by things like TV. Slapstick comedy has declined over the years, but at the same time I gather various reality shows often use gunge-type scenarios as challenges for their contestants. So there's a fairly steady flow of messy play on mainstream TV. The most recent Jurassic franchise movie had a scene where a woman had to hide from a dinosaur by entirely submerhing in a pond. From a "wam-watching" point of view it was a complete blow-out, you couldn't see anything worthwhile. But there probably will be people who watched it and got an unexpected reaction thinking "I want to do that." But it's going to be very hit and miss how people respond to things they happen to see or experience.
I doubt there's any risk of WAM dying out, and in theory at least as the world gradually becomes less puritanical and religion, and obsessions with modesty, decline in influence, more people of all genders will feel happier to express themselves fetishistically, so the total numbers should slowly rise. But there's unlilely to be any mass awakening of hitherto unknowing wammers who just need to see the right show to be awakened. It'll always be a gradual thing.
Plus these days of course mainstream scheduled TV has way less influence than it did 30 years ago. People can choose what they watch and when they watch it, and potentially wam scenes can crop up in the weirdest places.
It's also only sexy to a minority of people. There may be many people out there who don't mind getting wet and/or messy in a fun way, but still won't get anything sexual from it. I think there are basically three types of people when it comes to WAM:
1. People who actively dislike any form of being wet or messy. The kind of folk for whom even being out in the rain is horribly unplesant and something to avoid.
2. People who don't mind getting wet or messy in general and would happily take part in mud runs or assault courses or dunk tanks, or run into the sea with their clothes on for a laugh on a hot day, but don't get any form of erotic reaction from doing so, it's just fun.
3. People who actively find being wet and/or messy a sexual turn-on. That's us here, and we are a very tiny minority of the population.
In terms of "sexual or fetish awakening", some folk will be influenced by things like TV. Slapstick comedy has declined over the years, but at the same time I gather various reality shows often use gunge-type scenarios as challenges for their contestants. So there's a fairly steady flow of messy play on mainstream TV. The most recent Jurassic franchise movie had a scene where a woman had to hide from a dinosaur by entirely submerhing in a pond. From a "wam-watching" point of view it was a complete blow-out, you couldn't see anything worthwhile. But there probably will be people who watched it and got an unexpected reaction thinking "I want to do that." But it's going to be very hit and miss how people respond to things they happen to see or experience.
I doubt there's any risk of WAM dying out, and in theory at least as the world gradually becomes less puritanical and religion, and obsessions with modesty, decline in influence, more people of all genders will feel happier to express themselves fetishistically, so the total numbers should slowly rise. But there's unlilely to be any mass awakening of hitherto unknowing wammers who just need to see the right show to be awakened. It'll always be a gradual thing.
Plus these days of course mainstream scheduled TV has way less influence than it did 30 years ago. People can choose what they watch and when they watch it, and potentially wam scenes can crop up in the weirdest places.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
I think it is seen publicly in two ways:
1. The Three Stooges style slapstick pure comedy
2. The kinky 'hire a hooker and bring whipped cream and chocolate' sexual way.
Of course these often combine for many of us.
I watched an event in a local mall where contestants dove into a giant pool of jello to find prize vouchers at the bottom. Two teen-age girls were watching curiously. When a contestant dove in, the one girl smiled and said 'yeees' while the other frowned and said, 'gross'. So to me, this shows we each have some level of attraction or repulsion for it built in.
As for 'mainstream', WAM as we know it is a sexual fetish. I don't think the public sees it as a sexual thing, other than the hooker reference above. I would guess that most have not tried getting messy or even watching a wam video that includes some nudity or sexual content.
So I would say it is not very mainstream at all for those reasons. The average person might enjoy the feeling of having mess all over their body, but will never know because they would never think of trying it. Our numbers are small.
1. The Three Stooges style slapstick pure comedy
2. The kinky 'hire a hooker and bring whipped cream and chocolate' sexual way.
Of course these often combine for many of us.
I watched an event in a local mall where contestants dove into a giant pool of jello to find prize vouchers at the bottom. Two teen-age girls were watching curiously. When a contestant dove in, the one girl smiled and said 'yeees' while the other frowned and said, 'gross'. So to me, this shows we each have some level of attraction or repulsion for it built in.
As for 'mainstream', WAM as we know it is a sexual fetish. I don't think the public sees it as a sexual thing, other than the hooker reference above. I would guess that most have not tried getting messy or even watching a wam video that includes some nudity or sexual content.
So I would say it is not very mainstream at all for those reasons. The average person might enjoy the feeling of having mess all over their body, but will never know because they would never think of trying it. Our numbers are small.
I honestly believe even though she never admitted it Lucille ball was a die hard sploshist or wammer its been called Kelly ripa is another one and i think shes admitted it once Lucydid some wild scenes more brazen than the 3 stooges Ester Muir was another one the list goes on
I think there are two ways for WAM to become mainstream
-A super celebrity comes out of the closet or I should say from the gungetank, the obvious options would be Kati Perry or Heidy Klum
-A novel about WAM becomes a bestseller and is adapted to film like 50 shades of Gray did with BDSM
-A super celebrity comes out of the closet or I should say from the gungetank, the obvious options would be Kati Perry or Heidy Klum
-A novel about WAM becomes a bestseller and is adapted to film like 50 shades of Gray did with BDSM
Egged me!
MessMaster has kindly appointed me the role of WAM Ambassador because of my continued interactions with mainstream media. The content I produce tends to be more digestible to the not-so-fetish-oriented eye it would seem. There is most certainly an increasing mainstream awareness of the kink. How mainstream SHOULD it become? That's an interesting question. Everybody likes to be part of something special. Does it become less special when everybody knows about it? I've experienced this a bit with music. I absolutely LOVE UK Hardcore. It's always been a niche genre here in the USA. This being the case, it was somewhat affordable to book some of the top talent in the genre for shows I throw. Over the last several years, artists like Gammer and Darren Styles have found MAJOR exposure at large USA festivals. This has resulted in them getting significantly higher booking fees. While I love seeing my favorite artists getting higher salaries, the selfish side of me hates that I can no longer afford to book them to perform at the shows I host. If there's suddenly a huge mainstream adoption of this fetish, maybe that'll allow your favorite producers and models to really step up their game and produce better content for you!
I'll include a few links that touch on my involvement with mainstream media:
Larz and I interviewed on The Doctors:
https://youtu.be/Nq7zXRvAhV0?si=JJXM5M3O9soCv52d
The trailer for an extreme love reality tv episode featuring Lum and Larz
https://youtu.be/PLI44n4xHXE?si=dHGlp-OZbiVjGdtt
I'll include a few links that touch on my involvement with mainstream media:
Larz and I interviewed on The Doctors:
https://youtu.be/Nq7zXRvAhV0?si=JJXM5M3O9soCv52d
The trailer for an extreme love reality tv episode featuring Lum and Larz
https://youtu.be/PLI44n4xHXE?si=dHGlp-OZbiVjGdtt
DungeonMasterOne said: WAM is quite hard work compared to many fetishes, because of the complexity of preparation and the amount of effort needed to clean up afterwards. This means even people who are into it will mostly do it way less often than people who are into things you can just do in bed as normal sex play, like spanking or being chained up or non-messy performance stuff like dressing in PVC or latex.
It's also only sexy to a minority of people. There may be many people out there who don't mind getting wet and/or messy in a fun way, but still won't get anything sexual from it. I think there are basically three types of people when it comes to WAM:
1. People who actively dislike any form of being wet or messy. The kind of folk for whom even being out in the rain is horribly unplesant and something to avoid.
2. People who don't mind getting wet or messy in general and would happily take part in mud runs or assault courses or dunk tanks, or run into the sea with their clothes on for a laugh on a hot day, but don't get any form of erotic reaction from doing so, it's just fun.
3. People who actively find being wet and/or messy a sexual turn-on. That's us here, and we are a very tiny minority of the population.
In terms of "sexual or fetish awakening", some folk will be influenced by things like TV. Slapstick comedy has declined over the years, but at the same time I gather various reality shows often use gunge-type scenarios as challenges for their contestants. So there's a fairly steady flow of messy play on mainstream TV. The most recent Jurassic franchise movie had a scene where a woman had to hide from a dinosaur by entirely submerhing in a pond. From a "wam-watching" point of view it was a complete blow-out, you couldn't see anything worthwhile. But there probably will be people who watched it and got an unexpected reaction thinking "I want to do that." But it's going to be very hit and miss how people respond to things they happen to see or experience.
I doubt there's any risk of WAM dying out, and in theory at least as the world gradually becomes less puritanical and religion, and obsessions with modesty, decline in influence, more people of all genders will feel happier to express themselves fetishistically, so the total numbers should slowly rise. But there's unlilely to be any mass awakening of hitherto unknowing wammers who just need to see the right show to be awakened. It'll always be a gradual thing.
Plus these days of course mainstream scheduled TV has way less influence than it did 30 years ago. People can choose what they watch and when they watch it, and potentially wam scenes can crop up in the weirdest places.
It's also only sexy to a minority of people. There may be many people out there who don't mind getting wet and/or messy in a fun way, but still won't get anything sexual from it. I think there are basically three types of people when it comes to WAM:
1. People who actively dislike any form of being wet or messy. The kind of folk for whom even being out in the rain is horribly unplesant and something to avoid.
2. People who don't mind getting wet or messy in general and would happily take part in mud runs or assault courses or dunk tanks, or run into the sea with their clothes on for a laugh on a hot day, but don't get any form of erotic reaction from doing so, it's just fun.
3. People who actively find being wet and/or messy a sexual turn-on. That's us here, and we are a very tiny minority of the population.
In terms of "sexual or fetish awakening", some folk will be influenced by things like TV. Slapstick comedy has declined over the years, but at the same time I gather various reality shows often use gunge-type scenarios as challenges for their contestants. So there's a fairly steady flow of messy play on mainstream TV. The most recent Jurassic franchise movie had a scene where a woman had to hide from a dinosaur by entirely submerhing in a pond. From a "wam-watching" point of view it was a complete blow-out, you couldn't see anything worthwhile. But there probably will be people who watched it and got an unexpected reaction thinking "I want to do that." But it's going to be very hit and miss how people respond to things they happen to see or experience.
I doubt there's any risk of WAM dying out, and in theory at least as the world gradually becomes less puritanical and religion, and obsessions with modesty, decline in influence, more people of all genders will feel happier to express themselves fetishistically, so the total numbers should slowly rise. But there's unlilely to be any mass awakening of hitherto unknowing wammers who just need to see the right show to be awakened. It'll always be a gradual thing.
Plus these days of course mainstream scheduled TV has way less influence than it did 30 years ago. People can choose what they watch and when they watch it, and potentially wam scenes can crop up in the weirdest places.
The prep and clean up is such a valid point. Most people these days are lazy as hell, and a proper messy session needs a ton of work. Its a big commitment, if you do it right... and possibly a reason more people don't try it. How many regular people fall asleep straight after sex? Not an option after a big wam session, unless you like stains and destroyed property!
Definitely requires a commitment, for me, I need a full day to do it properly, or at least 6 or 8 hrs. That's a fair bit different to slapping on a pair of handcuffs or a latex catsuit.
Probably some people would never try it, as its too much work.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
Born Sloppy said:
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
Promethereal said: From Robocop to Ghostbusters for some reason the USA really did have a short lived slime hayday.
I am curious what you meant by Robocop. I just remember the "I'd but that for a dollar" cake scene.
In the Robocop 2, there was a commercial for sunblock 5000 which showed the actress Fabiana Udenio applying blue sunblock on her arm and the rest of her body was blue and green. I am pretty sure that this scene is why I am on this forum today. I never had cable so I never watched gameshows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oJzfmWO3CU
WildThang said:
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
Born Sloppy said:
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
That's sounds like another forum topic in the works!! I actually know that MudBunny was a cleaner as a job, I guarantee this is a common theme!.
Though it's lucky we enjoy cleaning, as it comes with the territory! Lol
Genuinely though I think the two things are linked. It makes sense to me.
But anyway, getting off topic here. Part of my reason for this thread, besides the article, was my wife's shocked reaction to me revealing my fetish to her. She looked at me like I was a serial killer. She just doesn't get it... and then I got to thinking, how rare is this? Then the article came up, and I thought... maybe not so rare, maybe people just act like it's taboo for fear of humiliation or judgement.
Easy for me to say, but how sure can you be until you try something? Honestly, the feeling I get from seeing, or being part of a sexy gunging.... irreplaceable. God knows I've tried.
Indeed. There are certainly some mainstream WAM out there but they also have to walk the fine line between slapstick and actually catering to a fetish crowd. There have been multiple threads in here over the years showcasing simple pie in the face type antics at sports events and simple youtube videos where a participant gets messy to prove some strange idea but I think it is mostly perceived as just funny and slightly humiliating. But I do find it difficult to imagine any of them feeling the same way we do when we get messy or see somebody getting messy.
I would say as a trope, it used to be relatively common although the trend has fallen a bit since the 80's and 90's era of TV.
It really wasn't uncommon to see a WAM scenario on daytime TV, prime time or even on Saturday mornings BUT, I think there is, at least, a mild understanding that there exists a sect of folks like ourselves who actively seek content of that nature so creators/producers are a bit more selective in how or when it is employed. It will never truly go away unless you completely eradicate slapsick comedy from the face of entertainment but I think we can expect mainstream media to be more picky and choosey on it's placement.
For the fetish world, we have always been the outliers. This is nothing new which is kinda why I sought to start Fighting-Fems first and foremost as it encapsulates both my interests. Now I have female wrestling fans kinda tipping their toe into WAM and I have WAM fans kinda expressing interest into female wrestling. It isn't pies in the face or slime, but it's a start, right? It's kinda a beautiful thing seeing two groups of the fetish community kinda coming together over something they both enjoy.
As for how mainstream should it be? Eh. Not sure. That's a great question! I kinda enjoy being the proverbial black sheep. There is a uniqueness with WAM you won't find anywhere else. On the other, I dunno. I wouldn't mind catching a good mud or oil wrestling scene on mainstream TV/cinema but as I mentioned before in previous posts, Fighting-fems came about in spite of the cruddy efforts of mainstream TV (I am looking at you Netflix).
Would it be nice to see a resurgence? Sure. Would they shoot it as if they were committed to the efforts of yesteryear? Jury is out on that one.
It really wasn't uncommon to see a WAM scenario on daytime TV, prime time or even on Saturday mornings BUT, I think there is, at least, a mild understanding that there exists a sect of folks like ourselves who actively seek content of that nature so creators/producers are a bit more selective in how or when it is employed. It will never truly go away unless you completely eradicate slapsick comedy from the face of entertainment but I think we can expect mainstream media to be more picky and choosey on it's placement.
For the fetish world, we have always been the outliers. This is nothing new which is kinda why I sought to start Fighting-Fems first and foremost as it encapsulates both my interests. Now I have female wrestling fans kinda tipping their toe into WAM and I have WAM fans kinda expressing interest into female wrestling. It isn't pies in the face or slime, but it's a start, right? It's kinda a beautiful thing seeing two groups of the fetish community kinda coming together over something they both enjoy.
As for how mainstream should it be? Eh. Not sure. That's a great question! I kinda enjoy being the proverbial black sheep. There is a uniqueness with WAM you won't find anywhere else. On the other, I dunno. I wouldn't mind catching a good mud or oil wrestling scene on mainstream TV/cinema but as I mentioned before in previous posts, Fighting-fems came about in spite of the cruddy efforts of mainstream TV (I am looking at you Netflix).
Would it be nice to see a resurgence? Sure. Would they shoot it as if they were committed to the efforts of yesteryear? Jury is out on that one.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Born Sloppy said: ........
Just wanted to say thanks
for starting this thread! The article in your original post was a very interesting read. I don't follow or otherwise know the first thing about that whole fashion scene, but I loved reading Adam's story of when his fetish started because you could basically just swap his name for mine. I've finally felt "seen" thanks entirely to this community, but I love feeling seen from random stuff out there in vanilla land!! and @WildThang:
Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
LOL
that's hilariously terrible .. Godspeed @WildThang lol!Keep the change you filthy animal
umd105790 said: 4
and @WildThang:
LOL that's hilariously terrible .. Godspeed @WildThang lol!
and @WildThang:
Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
LOL
that's hilariously terrible .. Godspeed @WildThang lol! I am not sure why you feel the need to ridicule this. Not all of us are alike. You should embrace our differences rather than shame them.
WildThang said:
I am not sure why you feel the need to ridicule this. Not all of us are alike. You should embrace our differences rather than shame them.
I am not sure why you feel the need to ridicule this. Not all of us are alike. You should embrace our differences rather than shame them.
I'm sorry @WildThang, I didn't mean to come off as making fun of you. I was trying to convey that to me at least there is something ironically comical about a person who likes things clean so much that they will go as far as to make a mess just for the satisfaction of cleaning it. It's kinda a funny mental image I think (maybe even a premise for a scene!). but, I'm not intending to ridicule you, or me, or any others who like things clean. The ironic twist of God's humor (if you will) makes me giggle 
Keep the change you filthy animal
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
Born Sloppy said:
The prep and clean up is such a valid point. Most people these days are lazy as hell, and a proper messy session needs a ton of work. Its a big commitment, if you do it right... and possibly a reason more people don't try it. How many regular people fall asleep straight after sex? Not an option after a big wam session, unless you like stains and destroyed property!
Definitely requires a commitment, for me, I need a full day to do it properly, or at least 6 or 8 hrs. That's a fair bit different to slapping on a pair of handcuffs or a latex catsuit.
Probably some people would never try it, as its too much work.
DungeonMasterOne said: WAM is quite hard work compared to many fetishes, because of the complexity of preparation and the amount of effort needed to clean up afterwards. This means even people who are into it will mostly do it way less often than people who are into things you can just do in bed as normal sex play, like spanking or being chained up or non-messy performance stuff like dressing in PVC or latex.
The prep and clean up is such a valid point. Most people these days are lazy as hell, and a proper messy session needs a ton of work. Its a big commitment, if you do it right... and possibly a reason more people don't try it. How many regular people fall asleep straight after sex? Not an option after a big wam session, unless you like stains and destroyed property!
Definitely requires a commitment, for me, I need a full day to do it properly, or at least 6 or 8 hrs. That's a fair bit different to slapping on a pair of handcuffs or a latex catsuit.
Probably some people would never try it, as its too much work.
I wouldn't even call it laziness, just not wanting to have to do a load of drudgery. Those of us with actual proper gunge dungeons that can be hosed down and swept out have a huge advantage but even here there's a bunch of work involved after a messy scene, which is why most of the time when Lady Jasmine and I play together we just stick to wetlook in the dungeon pool, perhaps with some golden syrup poured into each other's clothes first. A couple of hours fully dresssed in the warm water together, then clean up is just pull the pool air plugs and sit on the collapsing edge with the flood of water flowing past as it empties, and leave to dry while we head back upstairs.
If on the other hand we do full messy, even with the hose and facilities it's a good half hour minimum, often longer, before can retire, esp if custard has been used.
WildThang said:
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
Born Sloppy said:
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
I've always hated getting my hands messy. Back when I was younger and would cycle down the coast to play in the mud, I'd dress in shorts, t-shirt, long-sleeve check work shirt, denim overalls, wellies, and black rubber gauntlets with the shirt sleeves tucked in. I'd wade, kneel, sit, lie down, and roll around in liquid quarry clay, getting the entire outfit coated and drenched so I was dripping wet through and soaked in mud, buy my hands stayed clean in the gloves.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
WildThang said:
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
Born Sloppy said:
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
While not a clean freak, I am definitely someone who likes to keep their house AND yard clean. Everything has it's place. I hate clutter in the house and in the yard. When it comes to WAM, I much prefer the clean-up to the prep. I think it's the feeling of 'we just got done with a shoot and have accomplished something.'
Not necessarily because I LIKE the cleanup. WAM has got to be on the top 10 list of most inconvieniant fetishes.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Born Sloppy said:
That's sounds like another forum topic in the works!! I actually know that MudBunny was a cleaner as a job, I guarantee this is a common theme!.
Though it's lucky we enjoy cleaning, as it comes with the territory! Lol
Genuinely though I think the two things are linked. It makes sense to me.
But anyway, getting off topic here. Part of my reason for this thread, besides the article, was my wife's shocked reaction to me revealing my fetish to her. She looked at me like I was a serial killer. She just doesn't get it... and then I got to thinking, how rare is this? Then the article came up, and I thought... maybe not so rare, maybe people just act like it's taboo for fear of humiliation or judgement.
Easy for me to say, but how sure can you be until you try something? Honestly, the feeling I get from seeing, or being part of a sexy gunging.... irreplaceable. God knows I've tried.
WildThang said:
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
Born Sloppy said:
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
That's sounds like another forum topic in the works!! I actually know that MudBunny was a cleaner as a job, I guarantee this is a common theme!.
Though it's lucky we enjoy cleaning, as it comes with the territory! Lol
Genuinely though I think the two things are linked. It makes sense to me.
But anyway, getting off topic here. Part of my reason for this thread, besides the article, was my wife's shocked reaction to me revealing my fetish to her. She looked at me like I was a serial killer. She just doesn't get it... and then I got to thinking, how rare is this? Then the article came up, and I thought... maybe not so rare, maybe people just act like it's taboo for fear of humiliation or judgement.
Easy for me to say, but how sure can you be until you try something? Honestly, the feeling I get from seeing, or being part of a sexy gunging.... irreplaceable. God knows I've tried.
I think you just have to explain to her WHY it's such a turn on for you. BUT, make it about HER. The Wife knows that I think she's incredibly attractive, and that's why it's so hot to get to hit her with pies and dump chunky green slime on her. I also let her know the reactions I love seeing, and why, and how good I think she is at them. There's even more detail I could get into, but you get what I mean!
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Anyone fans of Better Call Saul? I got a great laugh when he faked WAM videos as an idea to get his client out of trouble, and explained what was on the videos in great detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQ-s_P5mwM&ab_channel=BreakingBad%26BetterCallSaul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQ-s_P5mwM&ab_channel=BreakingBad%26BetterCallSaul
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The Man and The Wife said:
I think you just have to explain to her WHY it's such a turn on for you. BUT, make it about HER. The Wife knows that I think she's incredibly attractive, and that's why it's so hot to get to hit her with pies and dump chunky green slime on her. I also let her know the reactions I love seeing, and why, and how good I think she is at them. There's even more detail I could get into, but you get what I mean!
I think you just have to explain to her WHY it's such a turn on for you. BUT, make it about HER. The Wife knows that I think she's incredibly attractive, and that's why it's so hot to get to hit her with pies and dump chunky green slime on her. I also let her know the reactions I love seeing, and why, and how good I think she is at them. There's even more detail I could get into, but you get what I mean!
it's a nice idea, I thought so too, but you've got to be with someone like The Wife for it to work. The approach is important don't get me wrong, but.. well this is a topic that comes up over and over again. My two cent unsolicited opinion is it's more like 80-90% the partner, and 10-20% how you go about letting them into your world, but I'm not a salesman or lawyer so I could just totally suck at talking about things
Keep the change you filthy animal
I think the wet part of "WAM" is fairly mainstream. It shows up all the time in television and movies, and not just in comedies. How often are there catfights in swimming pools in soap operas?
Muhmy2 said: Anyone fans of Better Call Saul? I got a great laugh when he faked WAM videos as an idea to get his client out of trouble, and explained what was on the videos in great detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQ-s_P5mwM&ab_channel=BreakingBad%26BetterCallSaul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQ-s_P5mwM&ab_channel=BreakingBad%26BetterCallSaul
This is hilarious because I didn't know "squat cobbler" was referring to WAM. I heard the reference from Trinity May from MessyHot's video https://umd.net/download_info/trinity-may-first-messy-scene-of-2022
During the scene I am trying to understand what she is talking about and why is she referencing a pie recipe from Better Call Saul. I need to watch this show.
Is anyone doing any marketing outside if UMD?
Like I bet theres tons of people that would be into it if they knew about it.
Someone just needs to like slime everyones favorite TikTok star, post previews telling them the rest is on UMD, and then loads of new people would get into it maybe?
Like I bet theres tons of people that would be into it if they knew about it.
Someone just needs to like slime everyones favorite TikTok star, post previews telling them the rest is on UMD, and then loads of new people would get into it maybe?
I apologize for nothing
Born Sloppy said: Part of my reason for this thread, besides the article, was my wife's shocked reaction to me revealing my fetish to her. She looked at me like I was a serial killer. She just doesn't get it... and then I got to thinking, how rare is this?
There are other fetishes that warrant giving a "serial killer look". I wish wam was not one. Other fetishes seem like they are more well known, popular, more people try it, and more people accept it.
Perhaps if wam was more popular, people would be willing to try it because they heard of it. If it was more popular, it might not get a surprised, confused, or rejected reaction.
Born Sloppy said:
Easy for me to say, but how sure can you be until you try something? Honestly, the feeling I get from seeing, or being part of a sexy gunging.... irreplaceable.
Easy for me to say, but how sure can you be until you try something? Honestly, the feeling I get from seeing, or being part of a sexy gunging.... irreplaceable.
100% agree. Worth trying. It is irreplaceable. I have no advice on how to get a try but maybe others do. Maybe that is a separate topic.
Born Sloppy said: Definitely requires a commitment, for me, I need a full day to do it properly, or at least 6 or 8 hrs.
The only grain of salt suggestion I have is that instead of a full day huge session that has a lot of prep and cleanup work, maybe try a small session.
Born Sloppy said: Probably some people would never try it, as its too much work.
Yeah the work involved is one good reason why some people never try it. I could create a list of reasons:
* Too much work to prepare
* Too much work to clean up
* Cost of substances
* Cold substances
* Undesirable substances
* Unwilling to be humiliated
* Unwilling to humiliate someone else
* Unwilling to get mess on specific body parts
* No desire for the sensation
* Repulsion to get messy
* Lack of knowledge or understanding
I think wam being more popular and mainstream mostly help with the last point. Maybe it would make it easier to empathize if there was more knowledge and awareness. It is also important to have empathy and understand why someone is unwilling to try.
I'm wondering what the acceptance rate is.
I used to think this was binary, yes or no. People either accept it, or reject it. I had guessed it was a coin flip. Maybe their are strategies for discussing it, easing into it, gateway stuff, or compromises... In the end, it happens, or it doesn't.
I like sous chef's scale of 0-5: https://umd.net/forums/what-percentage-of-people-do-you-think-h#postid_973411 . So it is not as simple as yes or no. Here is the scale in my own words:
0. Not discussed.
1. Said no, will not try it.
2. Tried once, didn't like it, and likely never again.
3. Willing to do it on special occasions.
4. Wants to do it frequently when ever in the mood for it.
5. Loves it, initiates it, and experiments.
This could probably be broken into many different scales, but this one is very good.
I am wondering, if it was more popular and mainstream, would the acceptance rate rise? Would more 2's become 3's and so on? Or, are the reasons for people not liking wam strong enough that it does not matter if it was more mainstream?
umd105790 said:
it's a nice idea, I thought so too, but you've got to be with someone like The Wife for it to work. The approach is important don't get me wrong, but.. well this is a topic that comes up over and over again. My two cent unsolicited opinion is it's more like 80-90% the partner, and 10-20% how you go about letting them into your world, but I'm not a salesman or lawyer so I could just totally suck at talking about things
The Man and The Wife said:
I think you just have to explain to her WHY it's such a turn on for you. BUT, make it about HER. The Wife knows that I think she's incredibly attractive, and that's why it's so hot to get to hit her with pies and dump chunky green slime on her. I also let her know the reactions I love seeing, and why, and how good I think she is at them. There's even more detail I could get into, but you get what I mean!
I think you just have to explain to her WHY it's such a turn on for you. BUT, make it about HER. The Wife knows that I think she's incredibly attractive, and that's why it's so hot to get to hit her with pies and dump chunky green slime on her. I also let her know the reactions I love seeing, and why, and how good I think she is at them. There's even more detail I could get into, but you get what I mean!
it's a nice idea, I thought so too, but you've got to be with someone like The Wife for it to work. The approach is important don't get me wrong, but.. well this is a topic that comes up over and over again. My two cent unsolicited opinion is it's more like 80-90% the partner, and 10-20% how you go about letting them into your world, but I'm not a salesman or lawyer so I could just totally suck at talking about things
You have to be confident, even if you are pretending to be confident, lol.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
The Man and The Wife said:
While not a clean freak, I am definitely someone who likes to keep their house AND yard clean. Everything has it's place. I hate clutter in the house and in the yard. When it comes to WAM, I much prefer the clean-up to the prep. I think it's the feeling of 'we just got done with a shoot and have accomplished something.'
Not necessarily because I LIKE the cleanup. WAM has got to be on the top 10 list of most inconvieniant fetishes.
WildThang said:
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
Born Sloppy said:
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
As a side note... im a clean freak. Always cleaning my house, hate it being messy. I genuinely think that's linked to my fetish. But that's another topic for another day.
I often question how many wammers are actually clean freaks. I am as well so it is interesting to think deep into why clean freaks are into getting messy to offset that clean part in their mind. Or even deeper thought I have pondered, is the cleanup actually what gives us enjoyment......
While not a clean freak, I am definitely someone who likes to keep their house AND yard clean. Everything has it's place. I hate clutter in the house and in the yard. When it comes to WAM, I much prefer the clean-up to the prep. I think it's the feeling of 'we just got done with a shoot and have accomplished something.'
Not necessarily because I LIKE the cleanup. WAM has got to be on the top 10 list of most inconvieniant fetishes.
I was just thinking about this. I had an accidental mud sploshing last night and still cleaning the house from it as I had no way to prepare.
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