great video, thanks for spotting

The header for this post is misleading, although not intentionally so. This is not an excerpt from an "amateur" clip at all, but rather an excerpt from an early example of a WAM producer video, done with paid models and sold over the internet in DVD and then download form (It might even be old enough that it was sold on VHS before home-burnable DVDs were around). It's still for sale as a DVD and download, actually, at:
http://vidown.com/cgi/store2.pl?site=piefightgirls.com

For a look at many photos from the spectacular early pie vids produced by this company, see these threads:
https://umd.net/forums/a-slapstick-salute-to-neils
https://umd.net/forums/a-salute-to-neils-old-classi

And here's some info on what the creator of these videos, no longer affiliated with the Pie Fight Girls business, has been up to in the last six years:
https://umd.net/forums/seven-umd-member-testimonials

Great bit around the 2.20 mark.

Model takes four pies successively in around four seconds!

In his day, Neil was widely recognized as the master of the "pie barrage."

Actually, Neil's original name was Amateur Pies, and this video is from that era. This is from his very early days.

So you're saying that, when the man we've come to know as "Neil" first came screaming out of his mother's womb and the doctor slapped the bloody newborn into taking his first breath in our cold, hard world, this babe was christened "Amateur Pies Edwards."

This makes a great deal of sense. The writer Ralph Ellison, author of The Invisible Man (the classic African-American novel, not the sci-fi thing), was cursed/blessed with a middle name of Waldo. So as a child, when adults asked him for his full name, he had so say that he was Ralph Waldo Ellison, which elicited a lot of jokes and caused him no end of misery as a child. But Ellison does attribute this painful name to driving him to ultimately become a writer himself, a field in which he had huge success.

Similarly, that other great albatross of a name, "Amateur Pies Edwards," must've hung heavily around young Neil-to-be's neck. He probably got the shit kicked out of him on the playground more than once for this preposterous name, as well as having to deal with a lot of very puzzled teachers on the first day of class each year. But in the end, his unique moniker became the catalyst that drove him on to great success in later life, during which he became one of the world's foremost producers of pie fetish videos in the genre's early years.

I wouldn't say Neil came screaming out of his mom's vagina.
But I would sure bet he was the first baby to pop out & throw a pie in his mom's face!

Incest!

Awesome video. Thank you for posting

Rush Limbaugh calls himself the mayor of Literalville, but the everyone who produces anything started out as an amateur. We seem to have found the town crier.
The above video is volume 5 of Amateur Pies.

This is Volume 1, the first. Note whose channel it is, but Pie Fight Girls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIVtOTWnAPk

Yup, that's the official channel. I started uploading sample videos and was going sequentially. Got to Amateur Pies 2 and YouTube denied the upload stating copyright violations. I tried contacting YouTube many times to resolve without any helpful responses and now they just won't reply to any of my correspondences anymore. So that explains why there's only one video on the channel. YouTube is such a pain.

No. In face.

It's terrible that Neil's last days as a contributing member of this community have been tarnished by personal misfortunes that obviously caused the business end of things to unravel. Unfortunately, this is a serious occupational hazard when you're at the helm of a one-man operation.

My own dealings with him back in the day, both when his operation was called "Amateur Pies" and in the early days of "PieFightGirls", were always very pleasant, and he was always both responsive and very prompt in shipping those VHS tapes to me. I wish him the best wherever he is right now and am very grateful for his contributions.

As a matter of fact, Volume 20 of "Amateur Pies" (which, for some reason, is the ONLY volume that is missing from the PieFightGirls Website--there must be some story behind that) is one of my all-time favorite WAM shoots, and one I think I've revisited more than any other--it features a gorgeous short-haired blonde and an auburn-haired cutie getting nailed perfectly by Neil and an unseen assistant, then absolutely plastering each other in an amazing tit-for-tat faceoff...after which the cute brunette basically confesses that she's getting REALLY turned on by the whipped cream all over her body! Anybody here remember that one?

Finally, not to engage in histrionics (which, of course, means that I'll do just that...), but for me, Rob Blaine, Neil Edwards and Hurley Coward will always be the George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin (or perhaps Thomas Paine?) of American WAM!

Yeah one of my all-time favorites from any producer ever. The first four-pie barrage on the blonde is epic, especially the chocolate pudding pie up-and-over. Her kind of nervous-but-still-willing face before the first hit, her reactions during, and the way she says, "Well....." after it all are just perfect. Topping it all off she asks, without touching her face at all, "How do I look?" When Neil responds with, "Awesome", she smiles this crooked smile through all the pie. Just one of those things that could never be scripted or acted out. The backstory of the blonde having a crush on the brunette (from Neil himself) makes the whole thing that much more fun to watch.

Neil's stuff was never that big for me but, shit, now I want to see this.

Someone posted the trailer for Volume 20 a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZups4Z36UU

My favorite part in the actual video is the twenty pie barrage at the end, with the brunette getting nine and the blonde eleven.

It's great to hear that someone else remembers this scene so fondly! I have perhaps 20 of Neil's scenes (including some the later PieFightGirls work)--some of which are pretty great--but on this one EVERYTHING just clicks! I didn't know the backstory about the blonde having a crush on the brunette, but that absolutely makes sense now--there's just a certain "chemistry" between these two that is impossible to manufacture. In addition to this, Neil really outdoes himself here both in the quality of pies used (as The Dude mentions, that Chocolate Pudding and Whipped Cream pie that the blonde is plastered with is one of THE best pie hits I've ever seen) and in the delivery of the pies (Neil does his usual yeoman's work from behind the camera, but both girls also REALLY get into smashing pies in each other's faces and deliver some amazing hits)--even the relatively lo-fi, pre-digital videotape quality does absolutely nothing to detract from the scene.

So: Cute brunette discovering that she gets turned on by WAM after a barrage of pies ----> Gorgeous blonde with a crush on Cute brunette getting even MORE turned on WATCHING Cute brunette get turned on as she and Neil smash pies in her face ----> Absolute WAM serendipity!

Also--thanks for the short Amateur Pies promo clip, smess! That gives a good sense of the chemistry at work in the scene.

I agree that Neil's work in the field of pie videos was outstanding. And even right after leading the public charge against the man, I posted two large photo tribute threads to his old work, because I wanted people to remember that he DID do some great stuff in his day, no matter what later became of him.

But I have to say, in response to your statement above, that it wasn't personal misfortunes that caused the business end of things to unravel for Neil. Maybe the unspecified health crisis he had contributed to this for a time, but it cannot come even close to excusing five years of bad business practice. The mist of nostalgia in many people's minds makes them want to think Neil didn't turn into a human shitstain in later years, but the facts are pretty conclusive.

For a period of five years, he actively sought out large DVD sales through spamming his mailing list, offering large discounts on quantity purchases. But it seems he rarely if ever actually sent the large DVD orders customers placed during this period. If you think I'm exaggerating, here's our sample set: During the whole shitstorm surrounding Neil here in July, seven different people (six of them long-term UMD members) spoke up about having been screwed over by Neil between 2010 and 2014. Not a single person spoke up to say they actually did get what they ordered from him during this five-year period. One of the seven respondents got a partial order, the rest got nothing. If you'd like evidence of this but don't want to wade through three or four different very long threads, here's a condensed version:
https://umd.net/forums/seven-umd-member-testimonials

It's possible Neil's misfortunes led to challenges in delivering his DVDs and customs for a time. But somehow he had no trouble in sending out those spam emails. He had no trouble in answering dozens upon dozens of emails from the people who'd sent him money for DVDs. He had no problem generating endless strings of increasingly more ridiculous excuses and lies in these email responses as to why said DVDs had not been received. (One of his customers testified that Neil claimed to have mailed him his DVDs three different times, only to have them returned each time due to various forms of postal incompetence on Neil's part -- insufficient postage, wrong delivery, improper packaging. And this was the LUCKY one of the seven -- the guy who eventually got SOME of the DVDs he ordered. The rest of us got nothing at all.)

Furthermore, far from being a helpless victim of misfortune, Neil has actually turned into quite a bully to protect his interests. Back in July, when all the accusations against Neil began to fly, I was his most outspoken critic. But Neil's second most vocal critic was suddenly silenced in the middle of the debate. He left a final message in the first of the threads on the Neil scandal to the effect that Neil was forcing him out of the conversation and told people to PM him for the details. I did PM him, and although he asked me to keep said details to myself [for reasons totally understandable once I'd heard the full story], I will just say that Neil's actions against this guy were appalling. If you doubt me, go back and check the second page of the first thread I started about Neil in July (now resting comfortably in the Off-Topic Forum, the header begins "Neil Edwards, Ripoff Artist...") If you're really curious to see how far Neil sank in his desperation, perhaps this long-time UMD member is still willing to tell others his story.

This item is now available for download, but only for a limited time, vdo-27-0038.

I didn't mean to offend you, pieromaniac_too, and since I haven't kept up with PiefightGirls or the threads related to it on this website for a number of years didn't realize the severity of the issues that you and other buyers had encountered with Neil's operation. I certainly didn't mean to condone or "mist up" the severity of the problems that buyers had--the last I'd heard (and this was quite a while ago) Neil had some health problems which resulted in trouble keeping up with orders, and that's what I was referencing. It's very unfortunate that this happened to so many people--obviously, no one who purchases product online should ever be subjected to the poor business practices that you and others describe, and as someone who's sold (non-WAM) products online in the past I'm the last person to condone this in any way.

I'm glad to see that a few people remember that legendary "Volume 20" Amateur Pies scene as fondly as I do, and that a few more have discovered it for themselves as a result of this post, however. Mongoose very aptly describes the scene here:

"The coverage is incredible, the interplay between the two--It's like Neil ran into them at a bar and convinced them to come back to his place to have a pie fight. The vibe is playful, goofy, a little(?) drunk and with a definite sexual tension."

I'd contend that this is one thing that made some of those early "Amateur Pies" shoots so unique at that time--there was a real sense of spontaneity and fun at play that wasn't present in the vast majority of other purely amateur stuff being produced around the same time. It's pretty clear from the context that in several cases the girls--usually already good friends --WERE rather casually invited back for an "after hours" pie fight after a night of clubbing, and before the buzz from the evening's libations had worn off (the 3-girl Volume 19 scene--another favorite of mine--is another definite example of this). Oddly, his scenes had the effect of seeming both playfully innocent and a bit edgy at the same time (some of these girls HAD to be wondering what the HELL they were doing going off with some guy asking if they'd mind engaging in AND filming a late-night pie fight for some quick cash, after all), and I'm sure that a lot of these girls were even more "into it" and excited about the whole thing as a result of this--all of which translates to the screen and gives Neil's early work a certain vibe that no one else has quite recaptured.

Sometimes as I was watching Neil's videos, in fact, I'd imagine these girls calling their friends up ("Guess what I did last night?") to tell them that they spent the wee hours of their Friday night out getting smashed in the face with dozens of cream pies by some weird dude with a camcorder. I'd also bet that a fair number of them--almost 20 years later, in some cases--would still cite this experience when someone asks: "What's the craziest thing you're ever done?"

Anyway...great stuff!

Thanks for at least acknowledging some of the issues I raise, Baker. Since downloads have almost totally eclipsed DVD sales in this (and presumably every other) market, this particular brand of scamming should largely become a thing of the past.

What should be more troubling for everyone here is the fact that Neil Edwards was able to threaten a UMD member into silence. We've heard an awful lot of stories about corrupt producers on the UMD lately -- but we've certainly never heard this particular twist on it before. Neil has acted as though he were the godfather of a more literal version of Hurley Coward's old "Pie Mafia."

So congratulations, Neil Edwards, even in your retirement from the wam community, you're a "pioneer" in the field once again.

[EDIT: This wasn't a physical threat. It was a threat much better suited to the "information age" in which we live. I can't go into details but if you doubt me, I urge you to privately contact the man I refer to in my previous post, a member of this community for 17 years.]

MM has assured me that if Neil ever tries to post all my private personal information on the forum or elsewhere (b/c it was me that was the threat was against), he's gone for good. MM has insured me that actions like that would definitely violate UMD policy and Neil would never set foot here again. Neil doesn't like the truth so much that he was willing to threaten to put all my personal info here if I didn't stop posting the truth. That's the man he's become. I hate that he's had health conditions, but an honorable person cannot do that to people, be they customers he wronged, the new business owner, or me in this crazy ordeal.

I'm just glad the new owner was nice enough to help out all the people that Neil left abandoned. That's pretty awesome.

Many thanks to Baker in the Rye and others who recommended Vol. 20 - and to PFG for making it available again!

I definitely remember seeing the preview clip for this when it was initially released, but it never seemed like a particular must-buy to me. So glad all these glowing reviews led me to reconsider and purchase after all these years because it's truly a phenomenal scene!! I have a decent collection of Neil's vids, but this is a real standout, remarkably funny, sexy, and playful at once. The girls are clearly having a fantastic time enjoying the mess and each other and it's a delight to watch.

I highly encourage others to grab this while it's available!

P.S. Baker et al - any other recommends??

Try Vol 19, it's my favorite video ever. The blond chick makes that video so great b/c of her personality. Plus the whipped cream mushing into each others faces at the end is fantastic!

I love Vol 19 as well; that little short haired redhead does it for me, though. Her bashfulness(is that a word?) when she takes her first two pies is adorable.

That's funny--I was going to recommend Volume 19 also! I mentioned it briefly in my last reply, but this is also a very fun scene, and probably a "first runner up" to the increasingly legendary Volume 20 from among Neil's "Amateur Pies" line of videos--there's a wonderful moment when the shorter redhead is smothered repeatedly with facefuls of whipped cream goo and says "I love it!" in a mess-muffled voice...it really feels like a genuine "WAM-eureka" moment, and she certainly seems to be having a LOT of fun and getting a bit "stimulated" by the experience as the scene unfolds. I also love it when the blonde girl (who has an adorable southern accent--does anyone else enjoy a WAM scene just a bit more when the "victim's" voice is so sexy?) ends the video by casually mentioning that she's going to have to introduce her husband to pie play. Wow...I've wondered for YEARS if she went through with this!

Unfortunately, I made a terrible mistake and accidentally TAPED OVER the last half of this scene a number of years ago (remember those damned removable tabs on a VHS tape?), but I still remember the whole scene quite vividly and heartily recommend it.

Of the other "Amateur Pies" scenes I've seen, Volume 23 is great but another notch below the above two (partly due to some slightly unfortunate "creative" video tricks that I find a bit distracting), and has a cute-as-a-button short blonde who's also very enthusiastic, has an adorable giggle, and is lots of fun to watch. There's a good two girl scene on Volume 15, though this one is marred a bit by the fact that both girls seem pretty obviously sick of being so messy by the end of the scene. Volume 5 has a really nice three girl scene that includes a cute asian girl who is an instant pro at "indignant" WAM reactions and seems to be having the time of her life--though the fact that the other two participants are mother and daughter is a pretty big hurdle for me. Finally, it's also worth mentioning is Neil's legendary "Blondie", who appears in several different solo scenes and is also a real pro at taking a pie in the face (and REALLY seems to enjoy being covered with chocolate)--I would have LOVED seeing her in a two-girl scene, but, alas, this never happened.

It's been so much fun revisiting these scenes! This was some of the first WAM stuff I purchased (along with Hurley Coward's cliptapes), and there are some highlights here and there that can easily hold their own (or, occasionally, even surpass) today's more polished product.

Man, this stuff was in the first proper wave of WAM productions, it's such a simple formula, and yet no-one makes videos like this any more! Those pies, those barrages, those lame gags, I really miss PFGs.

Protostar, I'm SO glad to hear that you finally have assurance of protection from Messmaster and so you can now publicly discuss that horrible situation with Neil.

Obviously, if Neil stooped so low as to threaten to reveal another UMD member's identity in order to shut him up, the man had some serious shit to hide, and he's not afraid to use really underhanded means to aid his cause.

I know it's too much to ask, but I hope after this latest revelation, nobody will ever excuse Neil's shitty actions of the last five years based on his health crisis or the fact that he was running a one-man operation. He may have been a good guy at one point, but he clearly turned into a moral sewer when his back was against the wall.