I don't know, seeing all these productions with these beautiful models.. Yet none of them are what I look for, not one. You see, I'm into the "slap-stick" humiliation type of scene. My dream scene would be a girl falling face first into a mud hole/pit .. And act humiliated.. I just can't find them besides the mainstream scenes in movies/tv shows.. The closest thing to this slap-stick approach with reactions, is Wamerica. Those productions are amazing..

SlapStickStuff (Rich) does classic slapstick comedy. It's even in the name of his company!

Norman

I tried a couple times to get my wife to do a scene like that, but she always started laughing her ass off.

I agree! I even had a very similar post a few months back. lol That is why I order customs like the one in my avatar.

Indeed!

You're looking for pratfall-specific comedy, which is tough. Even the models I work with don't often want to take even a faked fall, as it's very hard to sell--and not hurt yourself--without training.

Shelly has quite a few vids where she falls face-first into various messy things (a whole bowl of chocolate, a cake, shaving cream, assorted pies) but I don't shoot outside mud pits so we never did anything like that.

Based on what I know about mud pits in the wild, you would probably hurt yourself falling into a real one! The mainstream scenes usually have a fake "mud pit" filled with chocolate and other foodstuffs on a controlled set.

To me, a successful portrayal of messy slapstick humiliation includes these five stages:

1) Initial shock of being messed.
2) Assessment of the mess they're in.
3) Sadness/Humiliation about how messy they are.
4) Anger about how messy they are.
5) Messy revenge.

In the flurry of a pie fight some of these will be glossed over. But these ingredients form the classic messy slapstick package that a lot of us grew up loving: Laurel & Hardy, Three Stooges, Lucy... etc. Sometimes the aggressor will laugh, but it just doesn't make sense if the receiver does.

So there's my two cents... and lo-res GIF to illustrate:

That's a good start; that's what slapstick comedy is all about - the laughter!

And your wife would look fabulous as a slapstick stooge! :lovestruck:

Norman

Having done a lot of shooting at natural locations the safety issue of falling face first into a real mud pit would be a concern. You would need someone to basically rack though the mud to get out all the sticks, rocks and other potential hazards. At that point the mud pit wouldn't look very natural anymore.

And SStuff is right, you do need a model with experience to be able to do a realistic fall without getting hurt. I used to do them when I was younger but now it's just not worth the risk for me anymore.

It doesn't matter if it's a real pit or not.. Even a home-made one would do.. Basically just simulating the mud.. But the most important thing hands down, is the fall, and the reaction.. Not breaking character is big..

Not breaking character is ESSENTIAL.

Message me or ariel and we can hook u up, brotha!

You speak the truth, young one.

Ahh, gee whiz. Thanks man!

I totally gotta figure out simulated mud for you bro. Drop me a PM if you have an idea of how I could do it.

I agree 100% and try to get this across when I do customs, but even in customs sometimes models don't get it at all because

1) models are models not actresses so sometimes they cannot act emotions/reactions they don't feel
2) models are models not slapstick historians so sometimes they don't the context (whisper it but most have never see Laurel & hardy or the 3 stooges!) so they either go too realistic (appearing genuinely distraught or furious) or don't react at all
3) As people who don't mind being pied it must be difficult to get into the mindset of not liking it.

Provided you really clearly spell out the concepts you want, however, you can usually get some very good results in customs.

Jessie, for example, does the reactions really well, the gloating & laughing when someone else gets it, but equally the indignation, & fury, & desire for revenge when she's on the receiving end. I wish she'd do more of that in her normal clips, but in the meanwhile I just buy customs.

And, as you say, as a producer, wamamerica (trotterpm) clearly is on that page too.

To the OP, I think we are a small minority in WAM now. The mainstream and the big money seems more about nudity, & number of actual pies/pie hits.

The acting/plot/reactions piece seems a minority subset, but you're absolutely not the only one who values the scenario/acting/reactions above looks.

I agree with Reverendsl! It's hard (for some of us) to believe, but a lot of younger models don't know the history of what a lot of us watched in movies or on TV years ago.

While I enjoy the whole spectrum of WAM, I love the slapstick plot/acting/reaction part very much, and just wanted to add myself to that (shrinking) list of wammers!

Norman

I hate to think the slapstick element of WAM is dying out! Lighthearted comedy humiliation is the heart of it for me.

Just a heads up that I'm gonna be unrolling a "Star Wars"-themed clip with Kylie, and while I didn't focus on it during shooting, she really does a great job with the "frustrated/humiliated" angle and staying in character the entire time. (I mean, we goof around some in the Outtakes, but nothing in the scene proper.)

If you're a fan of "struggling young actress excited to get her break, winds up humiliated" angle, this is pretty great. Also slave girl outfits and random Jabba The Hutt cameos.

My ultimate WAM scene that I'd love to see, but rarely ever do, is just what you're talking about. Of course, I applaud the models and producers who put out great products.....but fro once, I'd love to see: A woman dressed all in white. Tight white sweatsuit, or leggings with white turtleneck, white sneakers or shoes...even a white hat.
Perhaps the car breaks down, and she has to walk the rest of the way to her Yoga class, or something to that effect. The only way she can get to it is to cross a thick mud puddle. Not a "quicksand style" puddle, but enough that would be thick and gooey. The hesitation of crossing.........the very careful steps. ......the slight splatter that may leave one or 2 spots on her.....the moaning about "why did she pic today to wear all white".....the ultimate slip and fall.....the trying to get back up only to lose the battle, and fall back in...and then crawling to the other side. Her backside may still be totally white.....her front, an unrecognizable mess. Then, of course, slipping, and falling on her back once she thought she was safe. The total horror of it all! Yeah, something like that. ...oh, just a pic of the outfit I had in mind. Not crazy about her, but the outfit, yep.

You nailed it my friend.. I would love that too. Thankfully, this scene is amazing; if you're into white out-fits, then this is your scene.

http://youtu.be/VJiPaS7rWcg

I agree with much of what has been said above. I've always loved a classic slapstick-type setup complete with the indignant and shocked reactions. I also love it when there is dialogue (or monologue I guess in the case of a single girl scene) where the girls are complaining about their clothes, shoes, hair, makeup, etc getting ruined. I also love seeing a well-dressed lady (especially in white) getting her comeuppance and complaining all the while. Perhaps we are not as much of a minority as you might think.

I've always thought that the folks over at allwam do a pretty good job of producing humiliation-themed material. Unfortunately they seem to have strayed away from messy shoots and now shoot almost exclusively wet and spunk stuff. They do have some fantastic scenes from the past though so hopefully one day they will make some more messy humiliation scenes.

AllWam would have been the greatest site ever if they would have accented pies to the FACE, not the chest and everyplace else.

Oh, and if they spoke English.

How true. Although, for some strange reason the language thing kind of turns me on when the ladies are yelling and bitching at each other. I let my imagination run wild and think their words are what I want to be hearing in the scene. Does that make any sense? Does any of this fetish really make any sense?

I'm a huge fan of physical comedy! When we first met, before he let me in on his wam fetish, JD and I talked about my admiration for Lucille Ball. I'd LOVE to do a humiliation scene like the ones you describe. I've also been drafting out a mud splatter when a car drives by type of scene, and a vaudeville style burlesque scene. If I keep practicing, I think I could pull off a good pratfall, too.

If you've looked at any of our pics or videos, you know that my personality is naturally ebullient; always smiling and giggling. I need to learn to tone that down and get in indignant mode.

To chime in on the discussion here, the reason that this type of content isn't as widely available as say, naked chick gets pied to the chest, is because the work requires more time, talent, editing, and overall craft.

-Janet

Yep, AllWam really misses the mark when it comes to facial mess lovers. They focus almost exclusively on body and hair, which I would believe to be a result of the producer's own personal tastes rather than an appeal to the masses (or small clump considering our fetish community isn't that big haha).

Janet, I think I speak for everyone here when I say I'd love to see you do a slapstick/humiliation type shoot. With your choice of clothes I think you could pull-off the humiliated, snooty-bitch type scene. You are correct, you do tend to laugh and giggle so you would have to get that under control but I'd love to see you give it a try sometime. I think that would be incredibly hot.

No your definitely not the only one. It has always struck me as strange how few WAM producers incorporate humiliation as an aspect of their films beings that the act of Covering someone with food, gunge, pieing someone etc in real life would be done to humiliate. In fact most seem to shy away from it almost as though it is the "WAM that dare not speak it's name."

I agree their old stuff was fantastic, the holy grail in fact, for fans of storyline/humiliation wam but they have gone downhill and seem obsessed with spunk vids. Such a shame

I so agree especially if the receiver laughs instant put off for me.

Yup that about sums it up for me too. Nothing hotter than an indignant look/reaction from a well-dressed girl. Works even better if the "victim" is playing the role of a snobby, snooty bitch who gets her much-deserved comeuppance.