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"Wam and bisexuality"
Love you, too
I wanna know how many bisexuals are in here that love to get messy. I feel like there are a lot of men in here prepared to eat pussy, suck dicks and take pies. I think that's hot and I hope I'm not the only one. It's even hotter when you're into crossdressing and being feminine while getting pied in the face
Me.
I want to get muddy and messy
My first bisexual experience was with a guy who pied me when I was 18. At the time I though of my self as piesexual, meaning I would only hookup with guys when messy. Over the years I realized how good I clean hookups felt too. Now it doesn't matter if I'm messy or clean, if it's a dick or a pussy. If it feels good I say do it.
Bi/pan dude here but weirdly my interest in WAM only extends to other dudes.
Bi pie guy here. I appreciate different aspects of all genders, especially with regards to wam. There are certain things about guys' bodies and mannerisms that I really like, and I certainly also enjoy seeing women getting messy too.
I think the bottom line for me has more to do with the mess and context than the gender of those involved. Same sex, solo or co-ed - I like a good mess. I will say there's unfortunately not been a lot of great co-ed wam in the past, but that seems to be changing. A lot of things seem to be changing on this site, imo, for the better.
I appreciate that the UMD is an especially inclusive place. I'm glad to see more content producers (quite a lot of female producers lately, which is awesome!) making more varied content and the improvements to the site and its store and policies have made it easy to find decades worth of good old stuff among the fantastic new stuff tailored to one's specific interests.
As someone who doesn't use the gender filters, when I see a user get all up in arms because a woman appeared in a tagged male thread, it does seem a little overly dramatic. It's odd because 20 years ago, it was often the other way around... only female content was being promoted and if a dick appeared in a photoshoot it was an issue.
I'm not into xdressing myself, (lol I would probably look pretty silly - maybe that's the point) but I can get the appeal and there's definitely something interestingly kinky about it.
I think the bottom line for me has more to do with the mess and context than the gender of those involved. Same sex, solo or co-ed - I like a good mess. I will say there's unfortunately not been a lot of great co-ed wam in the past, but that seems to be changing. A lot of things seem to be changing on this site, imo, for the better.
I appreciate that the UMD is an especially inclusive place. I'm glad to see more content producers (quite a lot of female producers lately, which is awesome!) making more varied content and the improvements to the site and its store and policies have made it easy to find decades worth of good old stuff among the fantastic new stuff tailored to one's specific interests.
As someone who doesn't use the gender filters, when I see a user get all up in arms because a woman appeared in a tagged male thread, it does seem a little overly dramatic. It's odd because 20 years ago, it was often the other way around... only female content was being promoted and if a dick appeared in a photoshoot it was an issue.
I'm not into xdressing myself, (lol I would probably look pretty silly - maybe that's the point) but I can get the appeal and there's definitely something interestingly kinky about it.
I think I've always had a Bi-sexual side and it has grown as I've aged. as far as wam yes I am definitely in touch with the sexual side of wam and as I have had some bi experiences I still want to experience bi sex while getting wet, pied of covered in whatever whether it be messaging a woman's nether regions or going down on a hard cock or.... 
Give it to me Good!
Very definitely bi, but my WAM has to be with guys only! 
Caution said: Bi pie guy here. I appreciate different aspects of all genders, especially with regards to wam. There are certain things about guys' bodies and mannerisms that I really like, and I certainly also enjoy seeing women getting messy too.
I think the bottom line for me has more to do with the mess and context than the gender of those involved. Same sex, solo or co-ed - I like a good mess. I will say there's unfortunately not been a lot of great co-ed wam in the past, but that seems to be changing. A lot of things seem to be changing on this site, imo, for the better.
I appreciate that the UMD is an especially inclusive place. I'm glad to see more content producers (quite a lot of female producers lately, which is awesome!) making more varied content and the improvements to the site and its store and policies have made it easy to find decades worth of good old stuff among the fantastic new stuff tailored to one's specific interests.
As someone who doesn't use the gender filters, when I see a user get all up in arms because a woman appeared in a tagged male thread, it does seem a little overly dramatic. It's odd because 20 years ago, it was often the other way around... only female content was being promoted and if a dick appeared in a photoshoot it was an issue.
I'm not into xdressing myself, (lol I would probably look pretty silly - maybe that's the point) but I can get the appeal and there's definitely something interestingly kinky about it.
I think the bottom line for me has more to do with the mess and context than the gender of those involved. Same sex, solo or co-ed - I like a good mess. I will say there's unfortunately not been a lot of great co-ed wam in the past, but that seems to be changing. A lot of things seem to be changing on this site, imo, for the better.
I appreciate that the UMD is an especially inclusive place. I'm glad to see more content producers (quite a lot of female producers lately, which is awesome!) making more varied content and the improvements to the site and its store and policies have made it easy to find decades worth of good old stuff among the fantastic new stuff tailored to one's specific interests.
As someone who doesn't use the gender filters, when I see a user get all up in arms because a woman appeared in a tagged male thread, it does seem a little overly dramatic. It's odd because 20 years ago, it was often the other way around... only female content was being promoted and if a dick appeared in a photoshoot it was an issue.
I'm not into xdressing myself, (lol I would probably look pretty silly - maybe that's the point) but I can get the appeal and there's definitely something interestingly kinky about it.
Interesting I've always been curious about the xdressing not in being curious in trying it out but more about how far away it is for me to consider something I'd be interested in. Their are aspects to it that I can't connect with at all.
Paint with play and surrender
Caution said:
I'm not into xdressing myself, (lol I would probably look pretty silly - maybe that's the point) but I can get the appeal and there's definitely something interestingly kinky about it.
I'm not into xdressing myself, (lol I would probably look pretty silly - maybe that's the point) but I can get the appeal and there's definitely something interestingly kinky about it.
Go get a dress and wear it! If it's something you even think you may enjoy please explore it!
pieboy992000 said: My first bisexual experience was with a guy who pied me when I was 18. At the time I though of my self as piesexual, meaning I would only hookup with guys when messy. Over the years I realized how good I clean hookups felt too. Now it doesn't matter if I'm messy or clean, if it's a dick or a pussy. If it feels good I say do it.
This is exactly my journey. First male sexual experience happened when a guy covered me in fluff that helped me fully realize I'm just into dudes fully don't even need to be messy
I can definitely say that that I am str8 but also a bit bi curious especially when it comes to WAM dew to the lack of open genuine females into WAM. I have played online many times with other males and definitely had some naughty fun and enjoyed it.
I love both genders....naked, painted, covered, plastered...messy 
Regards from Germany
Regards from Germany
Gender isn't really a thing for me when it comes to WAM. I'm more concerned with the level of coverage than what gender the person getting messy identifies as.
WAM slut
This thread has been an interesting read! I'm bi, but only interested in wam if there are women involved in some way-- even if they stay clean and just clobber some hot guy with pies.
Either way, glad to see I'm not the only bi guy who's only into wam with one specific gender of partner. (no strong opinion either way on the idea of non-binary wam-- I've dated a couple NB folks, but it never came up.)
Either way, glad to see I'm not the only bi guy who's only into wam with one specific gender of partner. (no strong opinion either way on the idea of non-binary wam-- I've dated a couple NB folks, but it never came up.)
jjwam said: Don't consider myself bi, but women gunging men does do something for me. 
Something about the inverted power dynamic.
That old yahoo group was great for that.
Something about the inverted power dynamic.
That old yahoo group was great for that.
What happened to the yahoo group?
I thought this was interesting social commentary
https://www.amazon.com/Dick-Documentary-Brian-Fender/dp/B071FVBHC6
Paint with play and surrender
I love this thread it's fascinating. I consider myself as straight but for WAM, and for me that means mud, it's only guys that interest me. I've not had many opportunities to have mud fun with other people but sliding around in skinny clothes with another lad, hard dicks straining under our glistening muddy jeans and ultimately either squirting hot loads into our jeans or over eachothers muddy bods is what it's all about
Another interesting aspect I've been reading about
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r12zK1EoctE
Not as much wam stuff just found it interesting again an a social level
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r12zK1EoctE
Not as much wam stuff just found it interesting again an a social level
Paint with play and surrender
piecub said:
About that straight thing...
mudmatt said: I consider myself as straight [...] hard dicks straining under our glistening muddy jeans and ultimately either squirting hot loads into our jeans or over eachothers muddy bods is what it's all about
About that straight thing...
So far str8 encounters only, but definetly becoming more interested in men grewing older and esp. in combination with WAM fantasies and tight leather/jeans: grinding, caressing, sucking(?), who knows. Beiing in a LTR I am still ponderiing on how to make it possible.
So others would probably label me as heteroflexible and as crossdressing has been mentioned a few times I'll contribute a few words as whilst I may be a bit of an odd case I don't know if any of what I might say may resonate with anyone else.
WAM and crossdressing have always sort of been connected for me. When I completely drill down to the core of what I think motivates my interest in WAM it is for me has been the subversion of the ego to seek emotional connection.
What do I mean by this? Well the ego is motivated by a craving to receive recognition. It is the part of us that seeks as many likes/friends as possible on social media, the part of us that has us working our arse off to afford socially accepted status symbol number 5, the part of us that plays it cool rather than let those close to us know how we feel about them. Ultimately our egos if we let them will make us miserable. It leads to people with millions of followers feeling like nobody really knows the real them. It leads to people who waste years of their life chasing one thing after another that they lose most of their interest in shortly after they've got it and it leads us to regretting not reaching out more to maintain friendships that become ever more distant.
The ego makes us miserable as it denies our inner desires by using the social rules the ego has internalised. It tells us we shouldn't do anything as silly as playing with our food. Whilst my inner desire is to be playing in the mess with someone having fun and connecting on a raw emotional level with them. Because of how image centric our society is getting covered in gunk almost sort of temporarily shed's one ego for a period. Even my enjoyment of messy humiliation whether giving or receiving is sort of like temporary punishment for the ego in a way that either mine or the other person's ID (inner desires) secretly enjoys. I do actually want the victim in those scenes to enjoy it in the end whether secretly or not so secretly.
However given the ego is made up of so many social rules and expectations there was a difference in the social expectations regarding gender that got internalised when I grew up. Whilst society was busy putting pressure on girls to be beautiful and "all things nice," the message of boys being horrid, gross and "made of snips of snails" got sent my way. Indeed coming home the muddiest on the rugby team was more a position of pride amongst us and would be written off as 'boys will be boys,' if anything. If anything getting messy as a man by myself does nothing for me, it isn't socially transgressive, though it is a different story if playing a messy game with someone else. But with crossdressing I was sort of shedding my male ego and transgressing what society expected me to be as a man and then getting messy having prettied myself up was much more transgressive, naughty or taboo.
I do however now appreciate the irony that whatever mental acrobatics that led me to crossdressing to temporarily put aside my ego to be vulnerable enough to play and connect with a woman in a puddle of goo has probably done the opposite in reality as I've found my crossdressing to be met with pretty much universal revulsion from women. Whilst this used to bother me a bit I've since found I can be happy regardless of what anyone else things or who I have in my life don't get me wrong it would be great to find a relationship or play partnership to explore a whole bunch of things and connect over, it's more a life bonus than a necessity.
So whilst my crossdressing and WAM interests sort of evolved together they have both since diverged to the point I've explored each on their own and it was through exploring my crossdressing I'm heteroflexible or bicurious or whatever. I've reflected long and hard about both my gender identity and sexuality and came to the following conclusions. Firstly I'm completely comfortable being a man and am happy to be that the vast majority of the time. Secondly I enjoy being able to tap into either my masculine or feminine side at will either for practical real world use say to be more nurturing at times when needed or for the purposes of role play/fun. Thirdly tapping into either of my gendered sides is independent of any power dynamics I can play a masculine or feminine dominant or submissive. Fourthly I am happy to vary the degree of masculinity or femininity I tap into for any role play from man-beast all the way to uber-feminine. And finally my sexuality sort of depends on my current gender role. Whilst my masculine side is exclusively interested in women, my femme side is much more open. When in femme mode I'm looking to fully embrace and experience my feminine side and am receptive to any gender in that role. This doesn't mean being a power bottom as I said I'm happy to play femdom role either non-sexually or with a strap-on, but it means my cock and balls are off-limits. I don't want them being touched or played with whilst I'm in femme mode as they take me out off my femme headspace.
Now between the fact I have no interest in casual one off flings with any gender (I don't need exclusive commitments or anything, I'm poly myself, I just don't just lust off of appearance. Attraction for me comes from the chemistry I have with a person and I don't pursue anything sexual with anyone without trust and respect having first been established) and my no touching the male junk when I'm in femme mode means I've not had much opportunity to explore the bicurious side of my femme side as I don't think there are that many men looking to jump through those requirement hoops either and to be fair there is also the concern that many of those that will say that they are may only be saying that to get their rocks off who might then turn violent later when no longer aroused but anyway I digress.
But as I said earlier whether I explore it at all ultimately won't bother me if I don't, would be nice if I can but my priority remains finding a female play partner or relationship to explore both the wider kink world and WAM before looking to explore the bi-tendencies of my femme side. Anyway I should stop blathering now, having answered "it's complicated" so many times to gender and sexuality questions I sort of got carried away laying it all out.
WAM and crossdressing have always sort of been connected for me. When I completely drill down to the core of what I think motivates my interest in WAM it is for me has been the subversion of the ego to seek emotional connection.
What do I mean by this? Well the ego is motivated by a craving to receive recognition. It is the part of us that seeks as many likes/friends as possible on social media, the part of us that has us working our arse off to afford socially accepted status symbol number 5, the part of us that plays it cool rather than let those close to us know how we feel about them. Ultimately our egos if we let them will make us miserable. It leads to people with millions of followers feeling like nobody really knows the real them. It leads to people who waste years of their life chasing one thing after another that they lose most of their interest in shortly after they've got it and it leads us to regretting not reaching out more to maintain friendships that become ever more distant.
The ego makes us miserable as it denies our inner desires by using the social rules the ego has internalised. It tells us we shouldn't do anything as silly as playing with our food. Whilst my inner desire is to be playing in the mess with someone having fun and connecting on a raw emotional level with them. Because of how image centric our society is getting covered in gunk almost sort of temporarily shed's one ego for a period. Even my enjoyment of messy humiliation whether giving or receiving is sort of like temporary punishment for the ego in a way that either mine or the other person's ID (inner desires) secretly enjoys. I do actually want the victim in those scenes to enjoy it in the end whether secretly or not so secretly.
However given the ego is made up of so many social rules and expectations there was a difference in the social expectations regarding gender that got internalised when I grew up. Whilst society was busy putting pressure on girls to be beautiful and "all things nice," the message of boys being horrid, gross and "made of snips of snails" got sent my way. Indeed coming home the muddiest on the rugby team was more a position of pride amongst us and would be written off as 'boys will be boys,' if anything. If anything getting messy as a man by myself does nothing for me, it isn't socially transgressive, though it is a different story if playing a messy game with someone else. But with crossdressing I was sort of shedding my male ego and transgressing what society expected me to be as a man and then getting messy having prettied myself up was much more transgressive, naughty or taboo.
I do however now appreciate the irony that whatever mental acrobatics that led me to crossdressing to temporarily put aside my ego to be vulnerable enough to play and connect with a woman in a puddle of goo has probably done the opposite in reality as I've found my crossdressing to be met with pretty much universal revulsion from women. Whilst this used to bother me a bit I've since found I can be happy regardless of what anyone else things or who I have in my life don't get me wrong it would be great to find a relationship or play partnership to explore a whole bunch of things and connect over, it's more a life bonus than a necessity.
So whilst my crossdressing and WAM interests sort of evolved together they have both since diverged to the point I've explored each on their own and it was through exploring my crossdressing I'm heteroflexible or bicurious or whatever. I've reflected long and hard about both my gender identity and sexuality and came to the following conclusions. Firstly I'm completely comfortable being a man and am happy to be that the vast majority of the time. Secondly I enjoy being able to tap into either my masculine or feminine side at will either for practical real world use say to be more nurturing at times when needed or for the purposes of role play/fun. Thirdly tapping into either of my gendered sides is independent of any power dynamics I can play a masculine or feminine dominant or submissive. Fourthly I am happy to vary the degree of masculinity or femininity I tap into for any role play from man-beast all the way to uber-feminine. And finally my sexuality sort of depends on my current gender role. Whilst my masculine side is exclusively interested in women, my femme side is much more open. When in femme mode I'm looking to fully embrace and experience my feminine side and am receptive to any gender in that role. This doesn't mean being a power bottom as I said I'm happy to play femdom role either non-sexually or with a strap-on, but it means my cock and balls are off-limits. I don't want them being touched or played with whilst I'm in femme mode as they take me out off my femme headspace.
Now between the fact I have no interest in casual one off flings with any gender (I don't need exclusive commitments or anything, I'm poly myself, I just don't just lust off of appearance. Attraction for me comes from the chemistry I have with a person and I don't pursue anything sexual with anyone without trust and respect having first been established) and my no touching the male junk when I'm in femme mode means I've not had much opportunity to explore the bicurious side of my femme side as I don't think there are that many men looking to jump through those requirement hoops either and to be fair there is also the concern that many of those that will say that they are may only be saying that to get their rocks off who might then turn violent later when no longer aroused but anyway I digress.
But as I said earlier whether I explore it at all ultimately won't bother me if I don't, would be nice if I can but my priority remains finding a female play partner or relationship to explore both the wider kink world and WAM before looking to explore the bi-tendencies of my femme side. Anyway I should stop blathering now, having answered "it's complicated" so many times to gender and sexuality questions I sort of got carried away laying it all out.
Totally bi, love and get turned on by the sight of female WAM but doing it for real its men I would want to slime me if I'm not solo (trans also). Maybe comes from my teens playing with makeup and a 'very nearly' boyfriend at school before realising fancy dress and mess are easier places and following my straight side is the simpler life too. UMD is the safe place for my gay, kinky and transformation sides. More likely to be a fantasy character than a female role though, odd that I've never cross dressed in spite of a major dressing up and makeup thing.
It definitely appears from the replys that bisexuality and WAM is actually quite common
WetAndMuddyFun said: It definitely appears from the replys that bisexuality and WAM is actually quite common
Yep.
