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"There is no such thing as "classy" wam-in my opinion-what's yours?"
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I dont know why but it really grinds my gears when I hear people refer to one producer as doing "classy" wam. What it feels like to the rest of us? Is that if we aren't doing "classy"? Then what are we doing? Trashy?
Wam is wam is wam. Everyone gets off to it. Clothed or not, explicit or not-Wam is a form of pornography-it is a fetish that gets ppl off.
There may be people out there that just enjoy it for fun and have zero sexual feelings about it. If there are? I have never heard of them.
In the House of Mess? The girls that come in want to do sexy stuff first. They see the videos of girls covered in sweets and posing beautifully or rubbing all over themselves and THOSE are the videos the girls always gravitate to. So? I try to let them do that kind of stuff first.
Once they fall in love with that kind of mess? Once they do humiliation and things like that? They are used to the mess, they enjoy the mess, and they just end up having the funny reactions of "what the hell?!" when doing humiliation stuff instead of "oh my god-im never coming back"
I also have ppl reach out to me for customs who say "I know you only really do x rated stuff but..."
Not true!
Yes, In the last few years? I have found another part of my sexuality in wam-and I have loved every minute of it!
If you go back into my store? I used to do videos that were not x rated all the time
and I enjoy them very much! I love pie fights in cute clothes-I love doing games-I love all kinds of mess!
So? Getting back to the original thought...
People can call what we do whatever they want but? It really does make people like me? Who is literally finding herself sexually online for all to see...my evolving in wam is literally my store! Showing over the years me finding the things I love in wam-What turns me on-How all kinds of mess can turn me on...
I just feel like calling one producer doing "classy" wam leaves the door open for other producers to be called something opposite of...which? Opposite of "classy" is what??
Do you all see what I mean?
Wam is wam is wam. There is clothed wam, not clothed wam, explicit or not. Either way, No one is "classier" than another.
We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times
I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!)
Anyway, how do you all feel about this? I know-it is just a word. I feel though, that it seems like a knock at other producers-probably unintentionally...but? Getting messages from customers that say "I know you arent really into classy wam but...." or "I know you mostly do x rated but..." no, yall! I like to do it all! My girls enjoy doing sexual wam...they love to have pics taken of them while playing and seeing them later but they also enjoy doing clothed stuff, games, and I have had my girls asking about wrestling in certain outfits in pudding, cake batter, cakes, pie fights and all of that! They also laugh and have a good time doing savory! I mean? during? They are cold and they stink and they are grossed out but after? They are laughing at what they were able to do!
anyway, there is my coffee rant (not really a rant just a thought and opinion) for this Happy Humpday.
I love you guys-In leu of what has been going on with me lately just to update-I was in the ER again on monday- I am waiting on more test results...I am attempting to rest as much as I can to get better and back in the game by the end of this week. Its been a tough month. I apologize. I have been putting up videos from hospital rooms and truly trying to keep up. I am only one person. The only person doing all of this stuff so please, please bear with me and anyone who has had to wait on anything? Will most certainly be given compensation in some form since this isnt their fault
thanks and have a great week!
Wam is wam is wam. Everyone gets off to it. Clothed or not, explicit or not-Wam is a form of pornography-it is a fetish that gets ppl off.
There may be people out there that just enjoy it for fun and have zero sexual feelings about it. If there are? I have never heard of them.
In the House of Mess? The girls that come in want to do sexy stuff first. They see the videos of girls covered in sweets and posing beautifully or rubbing all over themselves and THOSE are the videos the girls always gravitate to. So? I try to let them do that kind of stuff first.
Once they fall in love with that kind of mess? Once they do humiliation and things like that? They are used to the mess, they enjoy the mess, and they just end up having the funny reactions of "what the hell?!" when doing humiliation stuff instead of "oh my god-im never coming back"
I also have ppl reach out to me for customs who say "I know you only really do x rated stuff but..."
Not true!
Yes, In the last few years? I have found another part of my sexuality in wam-and I have loved every minute of it!
If you go back into my store? I used to do videos that were not x rated all the time
and I enjoy them very much! I love pie fights in cute clothes-I love doing games-I love all kinds of mess! So? Getting back to the original thought...
People can call what we do whatever they want but? It really does make people like me? Who is literally finding herself sexually online for all to see...my evolving in wam is literally my store! Showing over the years me finding the things I love in wam-What turns me on-How all kinds of mess can turn me on...
I just feel like calling one producer doing "classy" wam leaves the door open for other producers to be called something opposite of...which? Opposite of "classy" is what??
Do you all see what I mean?
Wam is wam is wam. There is clothed wam, not clothed wam, explicit or not. Either way, No one is "classier" than another.
We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times
I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!) Anyway, how do you all feel about this? I know-it is just a word. I feel though, that it seems like a knock at other producers-probably unintentionally...but? Getting messages from customers that say "I know you arent really into classy wam but...." or "I know you mostly do x rated but..." no, yall! I like to do it all! My girls enjoy doing sexual wam...they love to have pics taken of them while playing and seeing them later but they also enjoy doing clothed stuff, games, and I have had my girls asking about wrestling in certain outfits in pudding, cake batter, cakes, pie fights and all of that! They also laugh and have a good time doing savory! I mean? during? They are cold and they stink and they are grossed out but after? They are laughing at what they were able to do!
anyway, there is my coffee rant (not really a rant just a thought and opinion) for this Happy Humpday.
I love you guys-In leu of what has been going on with me lately just to update-I was in the ER again on monday- I am waiting on more test results...I am attempting to rest as much as I can to get better and back in the game by the end of this week. Its been a tough month. I apologize. I have been putting up videos from hospital rooms and truly trying to keep up. I am only one person. The only person doing all of this stuff so please, please bear with me and anyone who has had to wait on anything? Will most certainly be given compensation in some form since this isnt their fault
thanks and have a great week!
More BTS, clips, messes, wetlook+fetish on my OF!
Oh! And I forgot to show you all! I got my hair cut off a week and a half ago. I literally had to leave the er-go straight there and sit in that chair/and I fell asleep in it. This is me the next morning bc I was so tired and in so much pain I forgot to take a pic right after it was done!
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You bring up some good points.
I'd say maybe preferences play a role when you start wam and than places like umd get you exposure to different takes on how others experience wam.
I'd say maybe preferences play a role when you start wam and than places like umd get you exposure to different takes on how others experience wam.
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Jayce, fair point on everything here. And totally agreed that we shouldn't use classy as positive with unclassy as a negative, because then we start degrading folks.
My only thought is that sometimes we might just say classy when we mean something is restrained or tamer, like "Keep it classy, folks," meaning to keep things under control and PG.
Now, as a fetish? And on a fetish site? Yeah, it's weird to say that we need to keep it PG. I'm Ace so it's odd to think of this porn as being more "restrained" than that porn.
But....I guess if we take out the fetish aspect of it and just look at a video from a more generic perspective....Video A with model in a nice dress, no swearing, and no nudity, playing a game show where she gets pied in the face for each wrong answer, seems "classier" (or maybe less explicit) than Video B with the model losing an article of clothing and getting pied for each wrong answer and then getting fucked and moaning in the mess.
Better or worse? Depends on your interest. I might call one "classier" to say it's less explicit, the same way I might weirdly say one scene is a bit more chic.
So, yeah...I guess I'll keep using the term, but not as an attempt to bring anybody down with the opposite. I see your point there 100%. Especially when people are using classy (or not classy or whatever) as an excuse to put you in a box and summarize you in a single, reductive word.
My only thought is that sometimes we might just say classy when we mean something is restrained or tamer, like "Keep it classy, folks," meaning to keep things under control and PG.
Now, as a fetish? And on a fetish site? Yeah, it's weird to say that we need to keep it PG. I'm Ace so it's odd to think of this porn as being more "restrained" than that porn.
But....I guess if we take out the fetish aspect of it and just look at a video from a more generic perspective....Video A with model in a nice dress, no swearing, and no nudity, playing a game show where she gets pied in the face for each wrong answer, seems "classier" (or maybe less explicit) than Video B with the model losing an article of clothing and getting pied for each wrong answer and then getting fucked and moaning in the mess.
Better or worse? Depends on your interest. I might call one "classier" to say it's less explicit, the same way I might weirdly say one scene is a bit more chic.
So, yeah...I guess I'll keep using the term, but not as an attempt to bring anybody down with the opposite. I see your point there 100%. Especially when people are using classy (or not classy or whatever) as an excuse to put you in a box and summarize you in a single, reductive word.
Right.
WAM is WAM. I mean is sex itself ever classy? The act itself is purely animalistic, which is why we contain ourselves toward classy exteriors for most of our lives - still needing, very much needing that escape valve where anything goes that also happens to keep the human race alive.
WAM is also about imagination - thinking about the marvelous what-if's and then seeing a depiction of it. Those of us who are lucky enough to experience the real thing have it even better and think back on those wonderful releases of emotion and sensuality. Your work - particularly in mud - is in that rare class of doing it because it is a joy and a desire, and that comes right off the screen. That is classy.
WAM is WAM. I mean is sex itself ever classy? The act itself is purely animalistic, which is why we contain ourselves toward classy exteriors for most of our lives - still needing, very much needing that escape valve where anything goes that also happens to keep the human race alive.
WAM is also about imagination - thinking about the marvelous what-if's and then seeing a depiction of it. Those of us who are lucky enough to experience the real thing have it even better and think back on those wonderful releases of emotion and sensuality. Your work - particularly in mud - is in that rare class of doing it because it is a joy and a desire, and that comes right off the screen. That is classy.
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Lord of the Pies
Not a term I've ever used, to me it sounds like a throwback to the way the previous generation (and I'm Gen-X) decsribed things.
There was a time when at least in the UK there were two distinct "levels" of porn. On the one hand you had what was in magazines like Playboy and Penthouse, which was high quality photography, done by photographers who were probably formally trained and understood all the details of model photography, interplay of light on skin, how to light a subject to create different visual effects - basically photographic art that just happened to feature naked subjects. Then there were the much more down-market (and cheaper) magazines which were all about closeups of genitals or breasts, sold to guys who probably never got to see such detail anywhere else.
The more upmarket photography was sometimes referred to as "classy", seen as more highbrow than just "tits and bits". But any such division has lost all meaning now, the entire industry has changed beyond all recognition.
I'll admit I miss the days when you did fully-clothed scenes, but guessing the money is in the ones you do now, and I'd certainly never try and claim one style is "classier" than another, there's such an enormous range of styles and tastes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Or if you're in a brewery, the beer-holder.
PS: the new hair!
There was a time when at least in the UK there were two distinct "levels" of porn. On the one hand you had what was in magazines like Playboy and Penthouse, which was high quality photography, done by photographers who were probably formally trained and understood all the details of model photography, interplay of light on skin, how to light a subject to create different visual effects - basically photographic art that just happened to feature naked subjects. Then there were the much more down-market (and cheaper) magazines which were all about closeups of genitals or breasts, sold to guys who probably never got to see such detail anywhere else.
The more upmarket photography was sometimes referred to as "classy", seen as more highbrow than just "tits and bits". But any such division has lost all meaning now, the entire industry has changed beyond all recognition.
I'll admit I miss the days when you did fully-clothed scenes, but guessing the money is in the ones you do now, and I'd certainly never try and claim one style is "classier" than another, there's such an enormous range of styles and tastes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Or if you're in a brewery, the beer-holder.
PS:
the new hair!Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
The more upmarket photography was sometimes referred to as "classy", seen as more highbrow than just "tits and bits". But any such division has lost all meaning now, the entire industry has changed beyond all recognition.
I think there's a division that pits "glamor erotica" (Rob Blaine's milieu), focusing on the beauty of the models connected to the sexual situation against shoots and videos that accentuate the porn itself or the exploring of a fetish. Video and photography production quality is more of a technical or aesthetic issue.
I'll also point out that a lot of presentations now seem highly-directed, even choreographed - calculated to bring out the most desired scenes toward the very end of a lot of buildup (thus justifying the price being asked).
I prefer the rarer videos where the subject just enjoys the situation and the effort. It's the closest you get to just doing it yourself. "Classy" is really porn without the porn - in other words, safe and often very much unreal.
Firstly, unread your whole rant in the voice of Peter Griffin, the moment I saw "grinds my gears". So thank you for that.
Secondly, as one of the primer distributers of only the most high brow wam for the distinguished gentleman, I take umbridge with at the insinuation that their is no difference betwixt the greatest messy cinema of a generation, and the schlock the peasants consume. I didn't spend years at the finest messy theater schools only to have my masterpieces lumped in with the excrement churned out by the common rabble.
Finally, it's the internet, and a lot of people are somewhat lacking tact in their discussions and descriptions. But I seriously doubt that many of our number look there nose down on the works of a legend such as yourself. Im relatively sure the consensus is that your amazing, and your contributions are held in high esteem. And yes there are those that are so socially inept and self involved as to see anything that doesn't cater to their precise tastes as some sort of affront. But these friendless souls deserve our pity. It sucks to suck, and it sucks worse to not even know you suck.
As far as I'm concerned, every man or woman that takes up a camera, pie and a bucket of slop, for the love of the game, is one hell of a classy bastard.
Secondly, as one of the primer distributers of only the most high brow wam for the distinguished gentleman, I take umbridge with at the insinuation that their is no difference betwixt the greatest messy cinema of a generation, and the schlock the peasants consume. I didn't spend years at the finest messy theater schools only to have my masterpieces lumped in with the excrement churned out by the common rabble.
Finally, it's the internet, and a lot of people are somewhat lacking tact in their discussions and descriptions. But I seriously doubt that many of our number look there nose down on the works of a legend such as yourself. Im relatively sure the consensus is that your amazing, and your contributions are held in high esteem. And yes there are those that are so socially inept and self involved as to see anything that doesn't cater to their precise tastes as some sort of affront. But these friendless souls deserve our pity. It sucks to suck, and it sucks worse to not even know you suck.
As far as I'm concerned, every man or woman that takes up a camera, pie and a bucket of slop, for the love of the game, is one hell of a classy bastard.
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Language is difficult and sometimes the right-sounding word can come across wrong and with unintended subtext. "Classy" isn't the word I would use, but I think I understand the intent:
Like it or not, the same subject matter can be presented in several different ways, some of which are more visually...ummm...flattering than others. It's not a matter of "classy" vs. "trashy" or "pornographic" vs. "not pornographic." Just how much work you are putting into all of the other things outside of your main subject matter to present it in its most flattering light. And yes, that attention to detail makes a big difference. It's why you'll pay one price point for a burger and fries packaged in a cardboard box served in a paper bag and a different price point for a burger and fries served on a plate with real silverware.
To say that wam is wam or none of that detail matters because it's all porn in the end is reductive and dismissive of those who do put in the effort to make their work look a certain way. Everyone's work can't look the same and really, nobody should want their work to look the same as everyone else. People want to emphasize different looks and presentations based on their personal preferences and that's great. Maybe we should avoid using loaded terms like "classy," but not everyone has the vocabulary of an art history major. And at the end of the day, there will always be differences between Producer A, Producer B, and Producer C. And we need to acknowledges those differences some way to get what we want.
But most importantly, whatever language we're using, it's crucial to remember that the language only refers to the images on screen, not the value of the person making those images.
Like it or not, the same subject matter can be presented in several different ways, some of which are more visually...ummm...flattering than others. It's not a matter of "classy" vs. "trashy" or "pornographic" vs. "not pornographic." Just how much work you are putting into all of the other things outside of your main subject matter to present it in its most flattering light. And yes, that attention to detail makes a big difference. It's why you'll pay one price point for a burger and fries packaged in a cardboard box served in a paper bag and a different price point for a burger and fries served on a plate with real silverware.
To say that wam is wam or none of that detail matters because it's all porn in the end is reductive and dismissive of those who do put in the effort to make their work look a certain way. Everyone's work can't look the same and really, nobody should want their work to look the same as everyone else. People want to emphasize different looks and presentations based on their personal preferences and that's great. Maybe we should avoid using loaded terms like "classy," but not everyone has the vocabulary of an art history major. And at the end of the day, there will always be differences between Producer A, Producer B, and Producer C. And we need to acknowledges those differences some way to get what we want.
But most importantly, whatever language we're using, it's crucial to remember that the language only refers to the images on screen, not the value of the person making those images.
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I think you are hitting the nail right on the head. I don't understand out of all the adjectives someone could use why they use classy. It is actually a strange thing to use. When I have heard it used by my dad it usually means someone that is "better" than someone else. It is a pretty degrading compliment word. Maybe it is just how much I don't like that word.
If there are things you don't like, don't look at it. There is a thread in the forum about someone getting gunged with dog food. There is nothing wrong with making those kind of videos. Not my cup of tea so I don't look at it. But to claim something that is not your cup of tea is somehow lesser quality than someone else is what this sounds like. The great thing about this fetish, there are all kinds of substances that can be used and can elicit the reactions the viewer is looking for. We have producers trying new things, you may see the words dog food and think that might not be for me. But then you see the pics and discover, you know what dog food might be for me. There is something about the response from the model that does something for me. That is awesome because you found more about your sexuality.
We need all the varieties of wam that we get here. People should be exploring their sexuality and finding their kinks. That is a huge reason why variety in wam is so important. I see producers try new things all the time. Some of the new things hit, some doesn't. You don't know if you don't try. Try all the new things!
I think you are hitting the nail right on the head. I don't understand out of all the adjectives someone could use why they use classy. It is actually a strange thing to use. When I have heard it used by my dad it usually means someone that is "better" than someone else. It is a pretty degrading compliment word. Maybe it is just how much I don't like that word.
If there are things you don't like, don't look at it. There is a thread in the forum about someone getting gunged with dog food. There is nothing wrong with making those kind of videos. Not my cup of tea so I don't look at it. But to claim something that is not your cup of tea is somehow lesser quality than someone else is what this sounds like. The great thing about this fetish, there are all kinds of substances that can be used and can elicit the reactions the viewer is looking for. We have producers trying new things, you may see the words dog food and think that might not be for me. But then you see the pics and discover, you know what dog food might be for me. There is something about the response from the model that does something for me. That is awesome because you found more about your sexuality.
We need all the varieties of wam that we get here. People should be exploring their sexuality and finding their kinks. That is a huge reason why variety in wam is so important. I see producers try new things all the time. Some of the new things hit, some doesn't. You don't know if you don't try. Try all the new things!
I do see people refer to certain types of WAM as "classy", but I don't think they mean it as a knock to anyone else. I could be misinterpreting it myself, but I picture 'classy' as being more focused on capturing the artistic aspect of WAM, rather than the porn side of it.
These screenshots are what I assume they're referring to when they say 'classy'. In a way, maybe art-focused? High quality video, high quality pictures being shot, beautiful model, visually appealing slime colors and poses, capturing the way slime interacts with light, the way colors mix and splatter, the way water spirals during a hairflip, etc.
I enjoy your videos for having a beautiful girl (or girls) getting covered in pies and slop and getting turned on or being humiliated. I enjoy it like people enjoy porn, basically.
I enjoy WAM Photography for the arty angle. Like you could take screenshots or the pictures being taken during the video and hang them in a public art gallery and they would fit in well. I enjoy it the way people enjoy paintings and photography.
Both kinds of videos are artistic and I enjoy them very much, they just have a different focus. If I had to classify them without using the word "classy", I would categorize yours more as catering more towards porn, and WAM Photography focuses more towards artsy. You've had some pictures yourself that I would put in the artsy category as well, such as your pic that I posted here.
In the end, it's all porn and it's all art. It's just 2 different presentations and 2 different ways of appreciating the beauty of the human body and WAM.
These screenshots are what I assume they're referring to when they say 'classy'. In a way, maybe art-focused? High quality video, high quality pictures being shot, beautiful model, visually appealing slime colors and poses, capturing the way slime interacts with light, the way colors mix and splatter, the way water spirals during a hairflip, etc.
I enjoy your videos for having a beautiful girl (or girls) getting covered in pies and slop and getting turned on or being humiliated. I enjoy it like people enjoy porn, basically.
I enjoy WAM Photography for the arty angle. Like you could take screenshots or the pictures being taken during the video and hang them in a public art gallery and they would fit in well. I enjoy it the way people enjoy paintings and photography.
Both kinds of videos are artistic and I enjoy them very much, they just have a different focus. If I had to classify them without using the word "classy", I would categorize yours more as catering more towards porn, and WAM Photography focuses more towards artsy. You've had some pictures yourself that I would put in the artsy category as well, such as your pic that I posted here.
In the end, it's all porn and it's all art. It's just 2 different presentations and 2 different ways of appreciating the beauty of the human body and WAM.
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TheSpecialist said: Language is difficult and sometimes the right-sounding word can come across wrong and with unintended subtext. "Classy" isn't the word I would use, but I think I understand the intent:
Like it or not, the same subject matter can be presented in several different ways, some of which are more visually...ummm...flattering than others. It's not a matter of "classy" vs. "trashy" or "pornographic" vs. "not pornographic." Just how much work you are putting into all of the other things outside of your main subject matter to present it in its most flattering light. And yes, that attention to detail makes a big difference. It's why you'll pay one price point for a burger and fries packaged in a cardboard box served in a paper bag and a different price point for a burger and fries served on a plate with real silverware.
To say that wam is wam or none of that detail matters because it's all porn in the end is reductive and dismissive of those who do put in the effort to make their work look a certain way. Everyone's work can't look the same and really, nobody should want their work to look the same as everyone else. People want to emphasize different looks and presentations based on their personal preferences and that's great. Maybe we should avoid using loaded terms like "classy," but not everyone has the vocabulary of an art history major. And at the end of the day, there will always be differences between Producer A, Producer B, and Producer C. And we need to acknowledges those differences some way to get what we want.
But most importantly, whatever language we're using, it's crucial to remember that the language only refers to the images on screen, not the value of the person making those images.
Like it or not, the same subject matter can be presented in several different ways, some of which are more visually...ummm...flattering than others. It's not a matter of "classy" vs. "trashy" or "pornographic" vs. "not pornographic." Just how much work you are putting into all of the other things outside of your main subject matter to present it in its most flattering light. And yes, that attention to detail makes a big difference. It's why you'll pay one price point for a burger and fries packaged in a cardboard box served in a paper bag and a different price point for a burger and fries served on a plate with real silverware.
To say that wam is wam or none of that detail matters because it's all porn in the end is reductive and dismissive of those who do put in the effort to make their work look a certain way. Everyone's work can't look the same and really, nobody should want their work to look the same as everyone else. People want to emphasize different looks and presentations based on their personal preferences and that's great. Maybe we should avoid using loaded terms like "classy," but not everyone has the vocabulary of an art history major. And at the end of the day, there will always be differences between Producer A, Producer B, and Producer C. And we need to acknowledges those differences some way to get what we want.
But most importantly, whatever language we're using, it's crucial to remember that the language only refers to the images on screen, not the value of the person making those images.
i guess I need to watch how I say things too. When i mean wam is wam is wam? I mean that everything around here is something that someone gets off to. Everyone that contributes? Has someone who loves it or lots of someones. Hence the phrase "wam is wam is wam"
also? I have a great respect for people really working hard to put out top quality stuff. I mean? I have some top quality stuff I worked so hard to do--and hired crews to help me do. I have just recently spent a lot to upgrade some equipment for this reason. Just like someone will notice a well lit video with smooth transitions and nice camera work? Some people enjoy a homemade style video as it puts you more in the "real raw" of it.
also again, hence, me saying "wam is wam is wam" we all get off to it, I guess is what im saying.
Also, dungeon master? I have SO MANY CLOTHES right now? So many outfits!! dresses, two piece suits, oh my god....i cant even name it all!!! That I will certainly be doing scenes starting with clothing atleast...I have to! I dont have any room in my house anymore! I spent a lot on some stuff I just got too----I am vamped up with gowns, chic nightwear, club wear, workwear, casual wear, the works!
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DungeonMasterOne said: Not a term I've ever used, to me it sounds like a throwback to the way the previous generation (and I'm Gen-X) decsribed things.
There was a time when at least in the UK there were two distinct "levels" of porn. On the one hand you had what was in magazines like Playboy and Penthouse, which was high quality photography, done by photographers who were probably formally trained and understood all the details of model photography, interplay of light on skin, how to light a subject to create different visual effects - basically photographic art that just happened to feature naked subjects. Then there were the much more down-market (and cheaper) magazines which were all about closeups of genitals or breasts, sold to guys who probably never got to see such detail anywhere else.
The more upmarket photography was sometimes referred to as "classy", seen as more highbrow than just "tits and bits". But any such division has lost all meaning now, the entire industry has changed beyond all recognition.
I'll admit I miss the days when you did fully-clothed scenes, but guessing the money is in the ones you do now, and I'd certainly never try and claim one style is "classier" than another, there's such an enormous range of styles and tastes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Or if you're in a brewery, the beer-holder.
PS: the new hair!
There was a time when at least in the UK there were two distinct "levels" of porn. On the one hand you had what was in magazines like Playboy and Penthouse, which was high quality photography, done by photographers who were probably formally trained and understood all the details of model photography, interplay of light on skin, how to light a subject to create different visual effects - basically photographic art that just happened to feature naked subjects. Then there were the much more down-market (and cheaper) magazines which were all about closeups of genitals or breasts, sold to guys who probably never got to see such detail anywhere else.
The more upmarket photography was sometimes referred to as "classy", seen as more highbrow than just "tits and bits". But any such division has lost all meaning now, the entire industry has changed beyond all recognition.
I'll admit I miss the days when you did fully-clothed scenes, but guessing the money is in the ones you do now, and I'd certainly never try and claim one style is "classier" than another, there's such an enormous range of styles and tastes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Or if you're in a brewery, the beer-holder.
PS:
the new hair! i commented back to you in another post but just wanted to say: The reason why I stopped doing as much dressed stuff wasnt because of money or sales...
I came into wam for money and fell in love first time. After that? My store? (which has been completely fucked up because of ariel having me take down videos that I OWN, which left me without hundreds of videos so? seeing my progression is a little harder now)
but? you can still see it. My entire progression of wam and my sexuality is 100 percent on display in my store. I have tried new things on camera, new toys, new ideas, girl on girl, me and a guy, all this stuff was done first time on camera, because I wanted to try it.
It is purely just where I have been at in my fetish.
I am making my way back to outfits, lingerie, heels, jewelry-things like that because I am having a lot of fun finding outfits and imagining what messes will really bring out the look
along with my more erotic stuff.
thanks for commenting!!
you are always too kind and always have good, solid words of wisdom from your standpoint. I appreciate it!More BTS, clips, messes, wetlook+fetish on my OF!
6/13/24, 12:22pm: This post won't bump the thread to the top.
I'm of the opinion that porn can be classy! The execution and tone of it I think is the key. It's interesting, I loooooove seeing candid reactions and genuine arousal and something about that feels very emotionally classy to me!
I think there's a fair amount of work on A Four Chambered Heart that's very artsy wam, and I'd love to see more of bracingly erotic, artsy work here~
I think there's a fair amount of work on A Four Chambered Heart that's very artsy wam, and I'd love to see more of bracingly erotic, artsy work here~
I don't like the word classy or civil as I was told they have been historically used to keep people of color and or lower class people segregated as their cultures or mindsets are incorrect. I think it's just a "nicer" way of saying those savages and barbarians to rationalize lesser treatment if not worse things.
I do think there is a difference in WAM, I personally love the dirtiest messiest stuff for the most part, but def BACK in the day I preferred more tame wam. Clothed and pg stuff but def over the years grew to like more dirty stuff, my wife def gets WAY WORSE wam sessions than my high school/ college gf, even my senior yr gf n college they got pies and maybe a cake or syrup dumped on them. (And they actually liked wam) I think we could use x rated or something to show differences in types of wam, as I do appreciate everyone is in some sort of spectrum of appreciation / amount of kink or stimulation that gets them off.
Love your work and hope you r doing well!
I do think there is a difference in WAM, I personally love the dirtiest messiest stuff for the most part, but def BACK in the day I preferred more tame wam. Clothed and pg stuff but def over the years grew to like more dirty stuff, my wife def gets WAY WORSE wam sessions than my high school/ college gf, even my senior yr gf n college they got pies and maybe a cake or syrup dumped on them. (And they actually liked wam) I think we could use x rated or something to show differences in types of wam, as I do appreciate everyone is in some sort of spectrum of appreciation / amount of kink or stimulation that gets them off.
Love your work and hope you r doing well!
Always love your work Jayce, and I totally get what you're saying!
I don't think I've ever *personally* described my stuff as "classy WAM," although I suspect others have other the years. (Also PG WAM, vanilla WAM, "tame WAM" as the post above me just mentioned.) That does feel insulting.
Really, it's just a difference in degrees, and I feel like PG, R, and X-rated WAM would probably work much better and don't have the positive/negative connotations. (Also, let's be honest.... Folks can shoot hardcore WAM beautifully, with brilliant colors and great camera work. And folks can also make PG stuff that looks like it was shot on a potato in a SAW dungeon. Quality and explicitness are not linked in any way/shape/form.)
With models, they usually set their own "limits," which tend to be non-nude (bikini/lingerie), topless, nude, and explicit nude (spread-leg, etc). Using those categories, standard-def SlapstickStuff is non-nude.... while the last 12 HD years have found me dabbling in topless and nude (especially lately), but I don't see myself moving to explicit anytime soon.
I don't think I've ever *personally* described my stuff as "classy WAM," although I suspect others have other the years. (Also PG WAM, vanilla WAM, "tame WAM" as the post above me just mentioned.) That does feel insulting.
Really, it's just a difference in degrees, and I feel like PG, R, and X-rated WAM would probably work much better and don't have the positive/negative connotations. (Also, let's be honest.... Folks can shoot hardcore WAM beautifully, with brilliant colors and great camera work. And folks can also make PG stuff that looks like it was shot on a potato in a SAW dungeon. Quality and explicitness are not linked in any way/shape/form.)
With models, they usually set their own "limits," which tend to be non-nude (bikini/lingerie), topless, nude, and explicit nude (spread-leg, etc). Using those categories, standard-def SlapstickStuff is non-nude.... while the last 12 HD years have found me dabbling in topless and nude (especially lately), but I don't see myself moving to explicit anytime soon.
While I understand what you're saying, I do think there's value in old school glamour photography, especially in sploshing. Erotic art comes in all forms, and we should appreciate them all.
Pieman said: I do see people refer to certain types of WAM as "classy", but I don't think they mean it as a knock to anyone else. I could be misinterpreting it myself, but I picture 'classy' as being more focused on capturing the artistic aspect of WAM, rather than the porn side of it.
These screenshots are what I assume they're referring to when they say 'classy'. In a way, maybe art-focused? High quality video, high quality pictures being shot, beautiful model, visually appealing slime colors and poses, capturing the way slime interacts with light, the way colors mix and splatter, the way water spirals during a hairflip, etc.
I enjoy your videos for having a beautiful girl (or girls) getting covered in pies and slop and getting turned on or being humiliated. I enjoy it like people enjoy porn, basically.
I enjoy WAM Photography for the arty angle. Like you could take screenshots or the pictures being taken during the video and hang them in a public art gallery and they would fit in well. I enjoy it the way people enjoy paintings and photography.
Both kinds of videos are artistic and I enjoy them very much, they just have a different focus. If I had to classify them without using the word "classy", I would categorize yours more as catering more towards porn, and WAM Photography focuses more towards artsy. You've had some pictures yourself that I would put in the artsy category as well, such as your pic that I posted here.
In the end, it's all porn and it's all art. It's just 2 different presentations and 2 different ways of appreciating the beauty of the human body and WAM.
These screenshots are what I assume they're referring to when they say 'classy'. In a way, maybe art-focused? High quality video, high quality pictures being shot, beautiful model, visually appealing slime colors and poses, capturing the way slime interacts with light, the way colors mix and splatter, the way water spirals during a hairflip, etc.
I enjoy your videos for having a beautiful girl (or girls) getting covered in pies and slop and getting turned on or being humiliated. I enjoy it like people enjoy porn, basically.
I enjoy WAM Photography for the arty angle. Like you could take screenshots or the pictures being taken during the video and hang them in a public art gallery and they would fit in well. I enjoy it the way people enjoy paintings and photography.
Both kinds of videos are artistic and I enjoy them very much, they just have a different focus. If I had to classify them without using the word "classy", I would categorize yours more as catering more towards porn, and WAM Photography focuses more towards artsy. You've had some pictures yourself that I would put in the artsy category as well, such as your pic that I posted here.
In the end, it's all porn and it's all art. It's just 2 different presentations and 2 different ways of appreciating the beauty of the human body and WAM.
It's flattering you view my work as "artsy"
though I would never characterize my work like that myself. wam has so many facettes and niches, that I would have a hard time to generally view a production as either "classy" or "non-classy". For myself it's most important that I enjoy what I see. Usually I like high production value and commitment to detail, but sometimes it can be the lowest production quality or an old LQ tv capture that still can work because one aspect of a video or photo clicks for me.
As for my own productions I started with photography and always tried to produce what I like to see myself in terms of model-look, outfit and substance used. I don't try to cater a certain audience but rather hope that some out there share my taste and return as customers. It's not my preference to go into nudity or explicit content, but I would never regard content of that kind to be non-classy, it's just another aspect of our kink.
I love your work Jayce and how fullfilling that it's also part of your sexuality! Oh and that reminds me that I started a convo about a custom with you loooong ago ... I need to pick up on that again
It's not WAM if the hair stays clean
I think maybe it's just a poor choice of words and that "artistic" might fit better?
I tend to think of this more with wetlook than messy. Expensive outfit, beautiful scenery in the Caribbean or something and high production value. EdwinR immediately comes to mind.
Then on the flip side you have "Human Garbage Disposal"
And you've definitely done you fair share of both ends of that spectrum.
I tend to think of this more with wetlook than messy. Expensive outfit, beautiful scenery in the Caribbean or something and high production value. EdwinR immediately comes to mind.
Then on the flip side you have "Human Garbage Disposal"
And you've definitely done you fair share of both ends of that spectrum.
Damn fool of a tuber
Jayce said: I dont know why but it really grinds my gears when I hear people refer to one producer as doing "classy" wam. What it feels like to the rest of us? Is that if we aren't doing "classy"? Then what are we doing? Trashy?
Wam is wam is wam. Everyone gets off to it. Clothed or not, explicit or not-Wam is a form of pornography-it is a fetish that gets ppl off.
There may be people out there that just enjoy it for fun and have zero sexual feelings about it. If there are? I have never heard of them.
In the House of Mess? The girls that come in want to do sexy stuff first. They see the videos of girls covered in sweets and posing beautifully or rubbing all over themselves and THOSE are the videos the girls always gravitate to. So? I try to let them do that kind of stuff first.
Once they fall in love with that kind of mess? Once they do humiliation and things like that? They are used to the mess, they enjoy the mess, and they just end up having the funny reactions of "what the hell?!" when doing humiliation stuff instead of "oh my god-im never coming back"
I also have ppl reach out to me for customs who say "I know you only really do x rated stuff but..."
Not true!
Yes, In the last few years? I have found another part of my sexuality in wam-and I have loved every minute of it!
If you go back into my store? I used to do videos that were not x rated all the time and I enjoy them very much! I love pie fights in cute clothes-I love doing games-I love all kinds of mess!
So? Getting back to the original thought...
People can call what we do whatever they want but? It really does make people like me? Who is literally finding herself sexually online for all to see...my evolving in wam is literally my store! Showing over the years me finding the things I love in wam-What turns me on-How all kinds of mess can turn me on...
I just feel like calling one producer doing "classy" wam leaves the door open for other producers to be called something opposite of...which? Opposite of "classy" is what??
Do you all see what I mean?
Wam is wam is wam. There is clothed wam, not clothed wam, explicit or not. Either way, No one is "classier" than another.
We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!)
Anyway, how do you all feel about this? I know-it is just a word. I feel though, that it seems like a knock at other producers-probably unintentionally...but? Getting messages from customers that say "I know you arent really into classy wam but...." or "I know you mostly do x rated but..." no, yall! I like to do it all! My girls enjoy doing sexual wam...they love to have pics taken of them while playing and seeing them later but they also enjoy doing clothed stuff, games, and I have had my girls asking about wrestling in certain outfits in pudding, cake batter, cakes, pie fights and all of that! They also laugh and have a good time doing savory! I mean? during? They are cold and they stink and they are grossed out but after? They are laughing at what they were able to do!
anyway, there is my coffee rant (not really a rant just a thought and opinion) for this Happy Humpday.
I love you guys-In leu of what has been going on with me lately just to update-I was in the ER again on monday- I am waiting on more test results...I am attempting to rest as much as I can to get better and back in the game by the end of this week. Its been a tough month. I apologize. I have been putting up videos from hospital rooms and truly trying to keep up. I am only one person. The only person doing all of this stuff so please, please bear with me and anyone who has had to wait on anything? Will most certainly be given compensation in some form since this isnt their fault
thanks and have a great week!
Wam is wam is wam. Everyone gets off to it. Clothed or not, explicit or not-Wam is a form of pornography-it is a fetish that gets ppl off.
There may be people out there that just enjoy it for fun and have zero sexual feelings about it. If there are? I have never heard of them.
In the House of Mess? The girls that come in want to do sexy stuff first. They see the videos of girls covered in sweets and posing beautifully or rubbing all over themselves and THOSE are the videos the girls always gravitate to. So? I try to let them do that kind of stuff first.
Once they fall in love with that kind of mess? Once they do humiliation and things like that? They are used to the mess, they enjoy the mess, and they just end up having the funny reactions of "what the hell?!" when doing humiliation stuff instead of "oh my god-im never coming back"
I also have ppl reach out to me for customs who say "I know you only really do x rated stuff but..."
Not true!
Yes, In the last few years? I have found another part of my sexuality in wam-and I have loved every minute of it!
If you go back into my store? I used to do videos that were not x rated all the time
and I enjoy them very much! I love pie fights in cute clothes-I love doing games-I love all kinds of mess! So? Getting back to the original thought...
People can call what we do whatever they want but? It really does make people like me? Who is literally finding herself sexually online for all to see...my evolving in wam is literally my store! Showing over the years me finding the things I love in wam-What turns me on-How all kinds of mess can turn me on...
I just feel like calling one producer doing "classy" wam leaves the door open for other producers to be called something opposite of...which? Opposite of "classy" is what??
Do you all see what I mean?
Wam is wam is wam. There is clothed wam, not clothed wam, explicit or not. Either way, No one is "classier" than another.
We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times
I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!) Anyway, how do you all feel about this? I know-it is just a word. I feel though, that it seems like a knock at other producers-probably unintentionally...but? Getting messages from customers that say "I know you arent really into classy wam but...." or "I know you mostly do x rated but..." no, yall! I like to do it all! My girls enjoy doing sexual wam...they love to have pics taken of them while playing and seeing them later but they also enjoy doing clothed stuff, games, and I have had my girls asking about wrestling in certain outfits in pudding, cake batter, cakes, pie fights and all of that! They also laugh and have a good time doing savory! I mean? during? They are cold and they stink and they are grossed out but after? They are laughing at what they were able to do!
anyway, there is my coffee rant (not really a rant just a thought and opinion) for this Happy Humpday.
I love you guys-In leu of what has been going on with me lately just to update-I was in the ER again on monday- I am waiting on more test results...I am attempting to rest as much as I can to get better and back in the game by the end of this week. Its been a tough month. I apologize. I have been putting up videos from hospital rooms and truly trying to keep up. I am only one person. The only person doing all of this stuff so please, please bear with me and anyone who has had to wait on anything? Will most certainly be given compensation in some form since this isnt their fault
thanks and have a great week!
I disagree
Example of trashy
Girl wearing rag clothes that don't fit, her hair looks dirty and unbrushed, her feet looks like she's been walking on the streets.
Video recorded on a ordinary phone, dirty lens, bad lighting
Example of majority of wam (nothing wrong with this)
Clothes that fit, nice bikini, mini skirt etc something she normally where's out in public.
Hair clean and brushed or in a nice bun.
Nice shoes, high heels etc or clean feet with painted nails.
Better lighting but still sometimes not the best angles.
But most are good enough.
Example of Classy
Outfits like there going to a nice restaurant for lunch or dresses like there going to a wedding, hair and makeup done, lighting perfect, background and furniture expensive looking.
Don't get me I still like the mid range stuff because it feels more authentic like a hot blonde in a bikini or in a daisy juke style outfit. But there is a difference. Like some videos you can hear kids in the background that's just fucked lol
We had the same debate around 15 years ago in the Wetlook world, when one wetlook producer set up his own forum because he was not happy with the harder wetlook content and nudity on the main wetlook forum, so he decided to create a new forum with the by-line "classy wetlook" for non nude non porn wetlook. Classy was poor choice of words because he was basically he was trying to promote more "artistic wetlook".
Whether it be WAM or Wetlook, there is no distinction between what is classy or not classy. That is not the issue because it is the 'intent" to sexually arouse that is the same. Any producer who attempts to define their fetish media as higher class than other producers is like the old joke about scuba divers ... i.e.
... there are only 2 kinds of scuba divers -- those who relieve themselves in their wetsuits -- and those who lie about it.
In mainstream slapstick movies you had some who felt their work was classier than others. Why do you think Groucho Marx deleted and destroyed the famous Esther Muir slapstick scene from his 1937 film "A Day at the Races". They shot the scene but Groucho had regrets and after seeing the footage he reportedly said "we are not The Three Stooges" and so he binned the footage because he felt strongly that The Marx Brothers were a classier act than The Three Stooges were.
Whether it be WAM or Wetlook, there is no distinction between what is classy or not classy. That is not the issue because it is the 'intent" to sexually arouse that is the same. Any producer who attempts to define their fetish media as higher class than other producers is like the old joke about scuba divers ... i.e.
... there are only 2 kinds of scuba divers -- those who relieve themselves in their wetsuits -- and those who lie about it.
In mainstream slapstick movies you had some who felt their work was classier than others. Why do you think Groucho Marx deleted and destroyed the famous Esther Muir slapstick scene from his 1937 film "A Day at the Races". They shot the scene but Groucho had regrets and after seeing the footage he reportedly said "we are not The Three Stooges" and so he binned the footage because he felt strongly that The Marx Brothers were a classier act than The Three Stooges were.
Do unto others, then run
Jayce said: We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!)
I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!) I'm happy to know that good things are coming in the field of humiliation, for me you're a big star in this kind of messy art. I still dream about your accidental faceplants in mud puddles. A level of filming and acting quality that is rare to find even among pro producers.
I don't know if it's just me but I don't read the words so I don't care if it's called classy, trashy or whatever as long as it follows a simple formula:
1. Girl (or girls) start clean
2. Girl (or girls) end up completely and utterly destroyed in filth.
With lots of mess in the middle to get there.
So just keep up the great work you Guys producing the awesome content for us
1. Girl (or girls) start clean
2. Girl (or girls) end up completely and utterly destroyed in filth.
With lots of mess in the middle to get there.
So just keep up the great work you Guys producing the awesome content for us
Jayce. You are an awesome person! Thank you so much for sharing all your videos and experiences which I love and really enjoy.
goodtimes said:
I disagree
Example of trashy
Girl wearing rag clothes that don't fit, her hair looks dirty and unbrushed, her feet looks like she's been walking on the streets.
Video recorded on a ordinary phone, dirty lens, bad lighting
Example of majority of wam (nothing wrong with this)
Clothes that fit, nice bikini, mini skirt etc something she normally where's out in public.
Hair clean and brushed or in a nice bun.
Nice shoes, high heels etc or clean feet with painted nails.
Better lighting but still sometimes not the best angles.
But most are good enough.
Example of Classy
Outfits like there going to a nice restaurant for lunch or dresses like there going to a wedding, hair and makeup done, lighting perfect, background and furniture expensive looking.
Don't get me I still like the mid range stuff because it feels more authentic like a hot blonde in a bikini or in a daisy juke style outfit. But there is a difference. Like some videos you can hear kids in the background that's just fucked lol
Jayce said: I dont know why but it really grinds my gears when I hear people refer to one producer as doing "classy" wam. What it feels like to the rest of us? Is that if we aren't doing "classy"? Then what are we doing? Trashy?
Wam is wam is wam. Everyone gets off to it. Clothed or not, explicit or not-Wam is a form of pornography-it is a fetish that gets ppl off.
There may be people out there that just enjoy it for fun and have zero sexual feelings about it. If there are? I have never heard of them.
In the House of Mess? The girls that come in want to do sexy stuff first. They see the videos of girls covered in sweets and posing beautifully or rubbing all over themselves and THOSE are the videos the girls always gravitate to. So? I try to let them do that kind of stuff first.
Once they fall in love with that kind of mess? Once they do humiliation and things like that? They are used to the mess, they enjoy the mess, and they just end up having the funny reactions of "what the hell?!" when doing humiliation stuff instead of "oh my god-im never coming back"
I also have ppl reach out to me for customs who say "I know you only really do x rated stuff but..."
Not true!
Yes, In the last few years? I have found another part of my sexuality in wam-and I have loved every minute of it!
If you go back into my store? I used to do videos that were not x rated all the time and I enjoy them very much! I love pie fights in cute clothes-I love doing games-I love all kinds of mess!
So? Getting back to the original thought...
People can call what we do whatever they want but? It really does make people like me? Who is literally finding herself sexually online for all to see...my evolving in wam is literally my store! Showing over the years me finding the things I love in wam-What turns me on-How all kinds of mess can turn me on...
I just feel like calling one producer doing "classy" wam leaves the door open for other producers to be called something opposite of...which? Opposite of "classy" is what??
Do you all see what I mean?
Wam is wam is wam. There is clothed wam, not clothed wam, explicit or not. Either way, No one is "classier" than another.
We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!)
Anyway, how do you all feel about this? I know-it is just a word. I feel though, that it seems like a knock at other producers-probably unintentionally...but? Getting messages from customers that say "I know you arent really into classy wam but...." or "I know you mostly do x rated but..." no, yall! I like to do it all! My girls enjoy doing sexual wam...they love to have pics taken of them while playing and seeing them later but they also enjoy doing clothed stuff, games, and I have had my girls asking about wrestling in certain outfits in pudding, cake batter, cakes, pie fights and all of that! They also laugh and have a good time doing savory! I mean? during? They are cold and they stink and they are grossed out but after? They are laughing at what they were able to do!
anyway, there is my coffee rant (not really a rant just a thought and opinion) for this Happy Humpday.
I love you guys-In leu of what has been going on with me lately just to update-I was in the ER again on monday- I am waiting on more test results...I am attempting to rest as much as I can to get better and back in the game by the end of this week. Its been a tough month. I apologize. I have been putting up videos from hospital rooms and truly trying to keep up. I am only one person. The only person doing all of this stuff so please, please bear with me and anyone who has had to wait on anything? Will most certainly be given compensation in some form since this isnt their fault
thanks and have a great week!
Wam is wam is wam. Everyone gets off to it. Clothed or not, explicit or not-Wam is a form of pornography-it is a fetish that gets ppl off.
There may be people out there that just enjoy it for fun and have zero sexual feelings about it. If there are? I have never heard of them.
In the House of Mess? The girls that come in want to do sexy stuff first. They see the videos of girls covered in sweets and posing beautifully or rubbing all over themselves and THOSE are the videos the girls always gravitate to. So? I try to let them do that kind of stuff first.
Once they fall in love with that kind of mess? Once they do humiliation and things like that? They are used to the mess, they enjoy the mess, and they just end up having the funny reactions of "what the hell?!" when doing humiliation stuff instead of "oh my god-im never coming back"
I also have ppl reach out to me for customs who say "I know you only really do x rated stuff but..."
Not true!
Yes, In the last few years? I have found another part of my sexuality in wam-and I have loved every minute of it!
If you go back into my store? I used to do videos that were not x rated all the time
and I enjoy them very much! I love pie fights in cute clothes-I love doing games-I love all kinds of mess! So? Getting back to the original thought...
People can call what we do whatever they want but? It really does make people like me? Who is literally finding herself sexually online for all to see...my evolving in wam is literally my store! Showing over the years me finding the things I love in wam-What turns me on-How all kinds of mess can turn me on...
I just feel like calling one producer doing "classy" wam leaves the door open for other producers to be called something opposite of...which? Opposite of "classy" is what??
Do you all see what I mean?
Wam is wam is wam. There is clothed wam, not clothed wam, explicit or not. Either way, No one is "classier" than another.
We are all doing the same thing. Getting messy and having a good time doing it (most times
I have done some humiliation videos that I got really mad during them! hahah! but still, laughed about it later...actually? Keep an eye out as I have one Ill be putting up soon that is the most crazy humiliation video ever! It was so out of this world!) Anyway, how do you all feel about this? I know-it is just a word. I feel though, that it seems like a knock at other producers-probably unintentionally...but? Getting messages from customers that say "I know you arent really into classy wam but...." or "I know you mostly do x rated but..." no, yall! I like to do it all! My girls enjoy doing sexual wam...they love to have pics taken of them while playing and seeing them later but they also enjoy doing clothed stuff, games, and I have had my girls asking about wrestling in certain outfits in pudding, cake batter, cakes, pie fights and all of that! They also laugh and have a good time doing savory! I mean? during? They are cold and they stink and they are grossed out but after? They are laughing at what they were able to do!
anyway, there is my coffee rant (not really a rant just a thought and opinion) for this Happy Humpday.
I love you guys-In leu of what has been going on with me lately just to update-I was in the ER again on monday- I am waiting on more test results...I am attempting to rest as much as I can to get better and back in the game by the end of this week. Its been a tough month. I apologize. I have been putting up videos from hospital rooms and truly trying to keep up. I am only one person. The only person doing all of this stuff so please, please bear with me and anyone who has had to wait on anything? Will most certainly be given compensation in some form since this isnt their fault
thanks and have a great week!
I disagree
Example of trashy
Girl wearing rag clothes that don't fit, her hair looks dirty and unbrushed, her feet looks like she's been walking on the streets.
Video recorded on a ordinary phone, dirty lens, bad lighting
Example of majority of wam (nothing wrong with this)
Clothes that fit, nice bikini, mini skirt etc something she normally where's out in public.
Hair clean and brushed or in a nice bun.
Nice shoes, high heels etc or clean feet with painted nails.
Better lighting but still sometimes not the best angles.
But most are good enough.
Example of Classy
Outfits like there going to a nice restaurant for lunch or dresses like there going to a wedding, hair and makeup done, lighting perfect, background and furniture expensive looking.
Don't get me I still like the mid range stuff because it feels more authentic like a hot blonde in a bikini or in a daisy juke style outfit. But there is a difference. Like some videos you can hear kids in the background that's just fucked lol
okay the kids thing? that is fucked.
but? someone who's hair you think looks unclean? maybe they were going for a certain look. YOu are a dude. Dude's dont always understand looks. (that isnt meant to be offensive)
Their clothes- they might enjoy that type of wear. That may be what does it for them. Their filming: That may be all they have or? They want it to look homemade....I did this recently in a sex video. I wanted it to look like a "homemade video by a couple" I went for that look.
Their feet are dirty.....who knows? Ive had ppl ask me to do videos where my feet start off dirty.
I see what you are saying... I really do. It is wam though. No matter how we nit pick it or pick it apart? It is wam. They are enjoying mess, they are making a mess, and no matter how we see it...It is wam.
The only way I feel it should be categorized is "casual wear" or "nude" and even the word "glam" for ppl wearing glamorous gowns and whatnot. I use this word for gowns. That is what makes the umd great. We have a wide variety of wam...
done as it is...people brave enough to share it.
My goal since about 3 years after I started? Was to make my store something for everyone. It was for quite some time until i lost hundreds of videos :/
So? Since then? I have had a lot of girls who want to do more sexual videos and I have let them. NOw? we are moving on to more clothed stufff. Still sexy...or playful....or games or whatever but? My goal for my wetlook store and my messy store is to have "variety wetlook and variety mess" and that also includes a variety of the way my stuff is shot, the way it is done, trying new things, etc.
I dont want people to see my videos and automatically know from a picture its mine. I want to make things different. That is hard to do...and I havent really been able to do that much. It's a goal.
anyhoo- I see what you mean. I really do. I just feel like the word classy? since the opposite of that word is trashy? Is just not the best word to describe.
I feel like its all wam. Its either nude or not. toys or not. sex or not. Its all a contribution to what we all know and love
More BTS, clips, messes, wetlook+fetish on my OF!
From an older admirer of wam, I maybe have a different perspective. Having hit puberty in the 1960s. there were not as many sources for messy or wet scenes as we have today. When good main stream scenes happened, we had to rewind and review them in our minds. As with many in my generation The Great Race and its great (at least for the time) pie scene was a revelation. Before that scene I always enjoyed seeing nicely dressed women in Three Stooges and other shows as wet and messy main stream scenes that occurred more often than now. But seeing Natalie Wood come out of the lake in the wet underwear started a feeling I had never felt before. Then the first pie to her face and wam as a turn on was established in my life.
The 60s also brought nudity back to the movie world. And that is where I think the word classy started making its way into the lexicon of titillating content. One actress after another would poo poo those who appeared topless on screen. And the actresses who performed without clothes stated that the script was "classy" or the scene was "classy". Of course they also would say the nudity was essential to the scene.
I enjoyed your description of your journey in wam. Starting with the clothed and proceeding to sexier content and going back to clothed in the future. It was not long after The Great Race that I started enjoying the turn on of nude scenes as well. Rob Blaine and VHS tapes helped wam grow as a turn on in my life. When some of Rob's models lost clothing after the mess, even better. So I have always thought of this genre of content as a turn on, I gradually have come to enjoy more aspects of sexier content. I never thought of using the word "classy" to describe my the content that still gets me going. But the best turn on is seeing a beautifully dressed and groomed model having pies thrown at her or falling into a muddy mess. As I have matured in watching wam scenes, seeing the ruined dress or clothing removed afterward completes the scene.
I would also like to add my wishes that you feel better soon. And add my thanks for the scenes you have made.
The 60s also brought nudity back to the movie world. And that is where I think the word classy started making its way into the lexicon of titillating content. One actress after another would poo poo those who appeared topless on screen. And the actresses who performed without clothes stated that the script was "classy" or the scene was "classy". Of course they also would say the nudity was essential to the scene.
I enjoyed your description of your journey in wam. Starting with the clothed and proceeding to sexier content and going back to clothed in the future. It was not long after The Great Race that I started enjoying the turn on of nude scenes as well. Rob Blaine and VHS tapes helped wam grow as a turn on in my life. When some of Rob's models lost clothing after the mess, even better. So I have always thought of this genre of content as a turn on, I gradually have come to enjoy more aspects of sexier content. I never thought of using the word "classy" to describe my the content that still gets me going. But the best turn on is seeing a beautifully dressed and groomed model having pies thrown at her or falling into a muddy mess. As I have matured in watching wam scenes, seeing the ruined dress or clothing removed afterward completes the scene.
I would also like to add my wishes that you feel better soon. And add my thanks for the scenes you have made.
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