Those of you that like models with there clothes off, and highly charged sexual situations your dream will come true after I edit this. There is no tag in the UMD for Penetration in video's witch is a pity as there is quite a bit in this one.

Just getting to edit Carmen Valentina's last video she did for me, and its amazing. The video meets all the things I think are hot, Sexy Lingerie, full coverage, nice creamy Mud, sucking a dick, fucking a dick and the twisted shit I like, pounding her beautiful face a in the mud and her resisting, consistently pushing her head under the mud, in fact Carmen ever fucks the dick on a stick while her face is under the mud. Nice

My question for UMD members is this: As a producer there (I think)there are many levels for Sexuality in WAM videos, for some its full clothed messing up the furniture in a yellow rain coat, for some like me its a very sexual thing. There is only one tag in the UMD and that is: 'Explicit' This can range from showing naughty bits to full on sex, how many of you think there should be different levels to describe just how explicit a video is? Some people are offended by very explicit video, some love it.

Phil

Currently there are basically two levels, "Explicit" or "Not". I think there should be three:

Explicit (with full frontal nudity and full sexual activity)
Sexual (kissing, groping, fondling, may not involve nudity, and no full sex or penetration)
Not

I have scenes where the girls grope each other through clothes - it's sexual, and way more explicit than PG, but it's definitely not XXX. By the guidelines I'm supposed to tag such content explicit but I'm always worried that people are going to start screaming at MM for refunds thinking they've been scammed if they don't read the description thoroughly and find that "explicit" doesn't mean what they assume it means (full on porn/sex).

Penetration should probably be added to the list here:
https://umd.net/categories

It is possible to query for tags that are not on that list:
https://umd.net/downloads/penetration

The "explicit" label tends to catch my eye when I'm browsing for scenes. But, I do think a good wam scene doesn't even need masturbation or penetration if the scene features the things I like. A scene with good wam concepts is more satisfying that a scene with pornographic concepts.

I tend to look at preview images to see if the scene is more sexual but not explicit. A new label might help catch my eye if I'm craving some more sexual scenes, but I don't want to see penetration. I am more accustomed to some producers that make more explicit stuff, so I go to them when I want more. I don't really see myself using it to limit content to only one type though. For newcomers browsing the overwhelming amount of scenes, an extra label might help them out more.

We should always question how we can improve things. We are such a niche group that having specific tag groupings would ease the user experience for sure.

Honestly why bother. Nothing is going to change because change requires money and its something many of us dont have.

I think nudity that is portrayed in an innocent and natural way is at the other end of the extreme of portraying sexual acts, with or without clothing.

How does one measure this? You could have a very straight looking model in the nude, or a sexy-looking model in a bikini, and the bikini would 'out-sex' the nude one easily.

Penetration is certainly one way to measure the 'sex scale' of a video, but there would have to be other factors as well.

I would start at the low end of the scale with full nudity, then add some touching of themselves, then masturbation, then masturbation with toys, then penetration and/or sucking of toys, then with an actual partner, then full-on sex with penetration. Even at that, it would be tricky to define things as a lot depends on the actual comfort level of each model, and how extreme they are going to get.

I think though, an attempt ought to be made to broaden the categories so people have a better idea of what to expect when they buy a video.

it would be nice to be able to filter by Explicit or not.

I think the current system works, yet also think a distinction between the types of "explicit" content could add additional "flavor" when searching up specific content.

But I think we'd need more examples to be sure, Phil. Lol

It was really a general question. But we could break it down something like this:

G Rated: Fully Clothed
PG: Topless
PG 13: Nudity
PG18: Close up Nudity
X Rated: Use of Toys
XX Rated: Penetration
XXX Rated: Sex Male/Female

Just a suggestion, so if a customer was looking for just Nudity he/she could find all video's like that.

Phil

i think this, at least, would be a very good initial step, perhaps with an extra rating "erotic" for nudity not involving any sexual movements (kissing, groping, rubbing etc) which would sit between "not" and "sexual".

i figure once a basic ranking was in place, then discussion could be had to clarify (and divide out if need be) 'sub-rankings' for sexual and explicit content.

When buying a scene I'm looking at the description of the scene & sample media before making a purchase not the tags so pretty much know what I'm gonna get.

But I get your point, could be useful for someone who expected an explicit scene to go a lot further than just a bit of nipple on show.

Keep it simple. No need to assign ratings to everything. We as a people tend to overthink what doesn't need overthinking.

Explicit should only apply to waist-down exposed-orifice nudity and any sexual content. Otherwise, waist-up and buttcheeks should be acceptably non-explicit.

At the end of the day, this is, for what it's worth, a kink/fetish site. Content of the explicit type should almost be expected from my point of view. In fact, the very first line in the "About" on this site is:

"Some folks might fancy a little whipped cream and chocolate to kink up a sexy evening."

this right here...hell...you can even veer off from just these! There are SO MANY different scenarios. I mean? I have done fully clothed fuck scenes BUT im getting fucked. By the time that you could have "full nudity" Im covered in mud. outfit around my waist. Which I find to be super fucking hot....but its like? Where is the line?
This has me thinking! Good topic!

Just throwing the idea out there. Even though I am a producer I buy video's from other producers, I like to see fucking or penetration in the video's I buy, would be nice if I could search for those video's as they are few are far between and hard to find normally. I mean Jayce how would I find your fuck video's? Can you tell me the procedure?

I am curious, am I in a minority as a person who gets turned on by seeing WAM Fucking? I know Viking is the same as I.

Phil

How about a "fucking" tag under:
https://umd.net/categories

All "fucking" scenes:
https://umd.net/downloads/fucking

Jayce "fucking" scenes:
https://wammerific.umd.net/downloads/fucking

MudMadPhil "fucking" scenes:
https://mudmadphil.umd.net/downloads/fucking

The tagging system is not perfect though. It might miss some scenes, or add some scenes that are incorrect.

I would only buy explicit scenes if it involves women. If theres any men whatsoever its a waste of time. I dont want to see men get messy whatsoever. Women only.

Ideally you should be able to use the search to find these scenes. I tried. I couldn't get any results.

Sometimes I know an exact scene, but I forgot the producer. For example, I was thinking of this scene:
https://creamy-creamed.umd.net/download_info/lust-and-thrust-in-the-mud

I found it nearly impossible to get this scene in a search. I couldn't remember that CreamMeAgain produced it because normally her scenes are not mud ones. I remembered the preview images and the inflatable pool. I search for "lesbian mud inflatable pool" and I get 6K results.

The search defaults to OR and not AND between terms. It is not useful. I wouldn't just blame the site/MM though. The description of that scene does not use the word "lesbian", "inflatable", nor "pool".

This happens to me a lot where I can remember a scene but I cannot find it. The worst is spending hours searching to find that the store was deleted.

Edit: For context, I was trying to find CreamMeAgain's scene to recommend it for this post: https://umd.net/forums/best-lesbian-acene#postid_952789 . Also another problem I have is searching for scenes in my own collection lol.

One suggestion might be that when a producer uploads a video, they fill in specific tags, such as inflatable pool, green slime, 2 women, etc. These tags could then be used when someone conducts a search, rather than trying to pick the words out of the video description or title.

My thoughts are that if it involves good mud and subjects get covered in it, I'm going to enjoy it.! I sometimes like seeing the girls get their clothes muddy, but I also enjoy their naked bodies covered in mud. I'm probably in the minority but I also like to see a guy join the ladies in some sort of scenario. And once again, I don't care if he remains clothed or if the girls rip his clothes off! I like a wide variety of scenes, so some with just some playful wrestling and some with the girls getting fucked by the lucky guy.. i especially enjoy "free for alls" where there are several people that join in on the mud fun. I know this is the most difficult hiring a large group of people to get covered in mud. But would be one of my favorites!

Reading through the thread, I think a couple of things are getting conflated - tags / search terms, and categories.

Descriptions

A lot of the problem of not being able to search effectively is down to lots of producers writing poor descriptions which lack all detail, which then can't be effectively searched for. The search function works on all the text in both the scene description, and the scene keywords boxes, but if producers don't fill them in properly, search becomes useless.

The keywords box allows a producer to add additional relevant terms that can't be easily got into the main description and is mainly meant for similes. For instance, if one of my scenes features say a girl in a boilersuit and wellies, then the keywords box will have "wellingtons, welly boots, rubber boots" (while the main description includes "wellies" in the body of the text), and will also have "overalls, jumpsuit, coverall, boiler suit, workwear" in the keywords box while "boilersuit" is in the main body text.

That way, if anyone searches for any of the common similes for boilersuit, or for wellies, that scene will come up in the results.

But the most important thing is to write a detailed and comprehensive description that accurately describes ***exactly*** what the scene contains.

If a scene contains fucking, then the word fucking needs to be in the actual description or keywords. Descriptions like "Jane Doe and John Smith turn in an incredibly sexy performance in the mudpit" are completely useless, the only keywords there are the models names and "mudpit" and it tells you noting at all about what actually happens. A scene like that should be described as "Jane Doe and John Smith start out in tight fitting designer underwear. They playfully strip each other naked, and then help each other slowly step down into the mudpit, wading in until the clay is waist deep. (possibly add descriptions of their bodies, and particularly sexy areas, sliding into the mud here). Once they're both completely covered and with serious hots for each other, they fuck hard in the mud. Eventually, once they've come up for air, they relax in a mud-coated embrace floating on the surface of the pit. The scene also includes a separate wash-off video and high-res photoset."

And the keyword box should have "nude, nudity, nakedness, full frontal, fucking, intercourse, hardcore, xxx, penetration, real sex, hetrosexual".

Note this isn't a dig at any particular producer, but its something I've been aware of as a general problem with scene descriptions for years. It doesn't matter how good someone's preview pics are, if the relevant text isn't in the descriptions, no-one will ever find them.

Categories

As well as the description, there are a few tickboxes, in terns of this thread the relevant one, and currently there is only one, is "Explicit", which can basically be on or not. I believe this mainly exists so people who don't want explicit content in their results can filter it out. Adding additional categories would be extra work for MM so if there were to be any more they'd need to be carefully chosen and done from consideration both of people who want to restrict their searched to only things that contain that category, and people who want to exclude that category from their results. I'd also suggest it should be possible to overlap categories, both in terms of selecting what's valid and when doing searches.

For example, someone might want scenes that are sexual, but have no nudity. Or find scenes with nudity but exclude all scenes with penetration / sex.

So having through about it a bit more, and mindful that there is an enormous amount of existing content that no-one is going to want to have to re-classify en-masse, I'm thinking the following additional categories would be useful:

Explicit (already exists): Fucking, actual sex, penetration.
Nudity: Scene contains nudity, including everything from female topless to any gender full frontal.
Sexual: Scene contains kissing / groping / fondling.

The producer can then tick whatever combination of those most accurately reflects what's in their scene, and search could be enhanced to have the same three items, with both "Must include" and "Exclude" for each option (so two tickboxes per category).

It would also be handy if the results, when on or more exclusion has been used, could finish with:

In addition to the results above, other also matched your search criteria but were excluded by the filter (specify which filter(s)), Click/Tap here to re-run the search without that exclusion. Which would allow people to explore results they'd have otherwise missed, which could be useful when the original search returns few/no results.

However all of this would require significant work from MM so while a suggestion, it's absolutely not a demand. In the mean time, producers should try searching for their own scenes using relevant keywords, and if the scenes aren't showing up, re-write the descriptions and keywords. Note, the important details should all be in the main description. The keywords box is only meant for additional important terms that can't be sensibly got into the main description, such as the simile examples I've given above.