Hey guys. Here's a poll to find out which forum messages should be included when you select the "male" option.

Right now we are showing more than just the male posts: We're showing any post marked as male, coed, or n/a. Coed is included because it means females AND males together, so there's males in it. N/a is shown because it's meant for everybody, and I thought letting those regular discussions in would be a good idea even for the male forum.

I believe some want to restrict it to being NO content with females in it whatsoever, even if there were guys in it, too. So I'll let this poll run for 4 days and see what happens. I'm just gauging opinion and don't guarantee any changes based on this, but I think it'll be informative to see what you all think.

MM, I don't envy your position at all... Trying to please EVERYONE! But you do an amazing job

I'm afraid I can't actually add anything helpful in regards to the post.
It's such a shame it has to be so very complicated.... Guys, remember when you FIRST found this place and it didn't matter about some posts containing boy bits or girls bit or ankle socks and watches. All that mattered is that this place existed and you weren't alone!!! Ah, a simpler time when all that mattered was the mess! on that note, I'm off to make to custard.

Jessie xx

surely having boxes where you click what you want to see would be good. its not good only allowing one selection at a time. also think it would sort out the issue

And you're not asking female-WAM fans how "pure" we want our experience because...?

Got to agree - i only come here for female content, yet even though i have the female only filter set to on, some male wam slips though if it's with another girl. Don't like that one bit. I just want female wam only, no mixed etc, just female. Sorry to be blunt and to the point there, but i've always believed it to be better to just have separate forums with the choices rather than filters, because with filters, things slip through, with separate forums, at least mods and admin can move things to the right place. None the less, i know you are trying to improve the site MM, and you are doing such a wonderful job with it, as Jessie said, i don't envy you trying to please everyone, but i do appreciate what you are trying to do

Checkboxes aren't there for technical reasons, but I've tried to make the bubbles give you the same experience as you're used to--without having to actually click them if you don't want to.


I am taking a step-by-step process of updating things because too many changes at once will create an uproar. Right now, the only people complaining are some Male Wam forum visitors, so I'm tackling that first. Also the reality is that any updates or features I create for male wam are really being installed for the whole forum, so any new setting can be applied to any forum if need be.


See, the thing is that other people expect to actually see all posts that contain any female wam, if they've got "female" selected. Coed content contains both genders, so it makes sense to a lot of people that it should be included whether Male or Female is selected. The Messy forum and the Male Wam forums have always allowed coed content at the poster's discretion, so that's nothing new. It has nothing to do with any filters.

We are not doing separate forums for all the interests anymore, because there are too many interests and combinations of interests to satisfy everyone. One extra forum for Male Wam would satisfy you, but it is a backend headacke, plus where would we put the new Male Wetlook forum, or the Trans forums? What about the Coed folks?

I have to join the blunt brigade. I'm a gay dude who comes here becomes it makes me horny. Girls do not turn me on in any way. I feel like all I see since this change was implemented is girls' boobs. Now, that's great if girls' boobs are your thing, but they are absolutely not mine. Show me a girls' boobs and you deflate my erection.

I loved this site. Loved it. And now it doesn't work any more. This used to be the hottest site on the internet. Now you may as well include pictures of kids' birthday parties.

What was wrong with the way it was? I'm tempted to register a ton of accounts just so I can stuff the ballot box for the "men should mean men only" a thousand times. Please, please, please separate it out. Maybe I'm a gay separatist asshole but can we please have it so boys who only want their WAM to be with other boys still have a place on here? Because WAM with girls, any girls at all, completely makes my dick wilt and renders it useless.

There are so few places on the web for this, I'd hate to lose this one. Please, please let there be a way to filter out female content, even if men are in it.

(And I love women! Just not when I'm trying to get off, which let's be honest, is the reason I come to UMD.)

I think people forget that the Male Wam forum had always included coed content from day 1, as per site policy. It has nothing to do with any recent change, so it's weird that people are wanting to bring it back for that particular reason.

A lot of people clearly do not want to exclude content that has combined males and females just because there are females in it (see the above poll). Doing so would prevent them from seeing actual male content even though they have Male selected, which can be confusing. This poll is to see how we are split on the idea of changing it from inclusive, to exclusive: male wam including coeds, which it has always been, or exclusively male-only.

I also gotta note that these updates actually make it possible for me to move forward with the forums from a code and moderation standpoint. There are a lot of reasons why things are the way they are, but I am always tweaking it to try and make everybody happy and comfortable.

I don't get why this is such a big deal. Personally I am not turned on by nude men but accidentally seeing a post with a dick in it isn't ruin my day and make me not want to masturbate.

Honestly the separate forums seemed like a better system but since this is a free site I'm not gonna complain about something that isn't really that much of an inconvenience.

People nowadays are extremely particular about what they see, and the trick is that no matter how many customization options you offer, they don't want to be bothered. They just want to see what they want to see.

The Male Wam forum was an anomaly that I created because there were a significant number of visitors who wanted to only see male wam, but I didn't have any way at the time to tag the posts as such. So I created an extra forum to dump all the posts in. But posts would get flagged all day from people posting Male WAM stuff to the Wetlook and Messy forums, because they did not understand that they were only for females (nobody reads the forum descriptions). It was confusing, and it took a significant portion of my day responding to those flags, moving posts, and then getting yelled at by the people who didn't understand why their stuff was moved.

Now people are free to just post in Wetlook or Messy which is more intuitive, and their posts are tagged now so that we can refine how they are displayed to you guys later. It also means that there are effectively two separate Male Wam forums now--Wetlook and Messy!

If I had a strong preference to view only Male WAM threads and there was no option to automatically, whether via a tag or seperate forum, filter out non-male posts, I'd be frustrated just because so much more female content is posted and trying to find what I'm looking for would be all the more frustrating.

I like the selector but I also liked the seperate forum just because it was what I was used to.

The separate Male Wam forum that used to exist always had Coed content in it. Bringing it back would not change anything in that regard. It has nothing to do with any change at all.

To be clear, "coed" does not mean that we're including female posts in the results. A coed post must have female and male wam inside it, combined together. This is why we are currently including coed content whether you've got Female or Male selected. This poll is to find out how people feel about that.

I hope my post didn't come off as critical--I didn't mean to imply that the old system and rules didn't work. From my perspective as the end user who used to browse both, I thought it worked really well and I appreciate all of the thought being put into this.

Oh, no problem! I appreciate the feedback. My goal is to for there to be little effort for you to see what you want. There is such a strong predilection over gender around this entire site, that the only feasible way to future-proof us without me going crazy was to make it a site-wide setting that can be tapped into and refined over time.

Making extra forums not only didn't help, but it favored only one particular type of preference (we didn't have any Trans or Coed options), plus it confused our new users and caused years of moderation headaches. It's these other people I'm trying to accommodate while still catering to the WAM OG's, and that's where all the preference settings come in.

I've just added an experimental "strict" setting that you can turn on in your preferences. It will make the forums ONLY show your preference, and exclude anything that also contains anything else. Works for female and male wam forums for now. Let's see how that goes.

I echo what Leila and Jessie said. Straight guys throwing a tantrum about occasionally having to see men in co-ed wam and gay guys throwing a tantrum about occasionally having to see women in co-ed wam, as if it'll threaten their respective sexualities, is pathetic - it seems like too many men are so entitled about seeing ONLY the material that arouses them and being offended at having to suffer even the slightest glimpse of anything else. I'm gay but I find the claim by Milo above that boobs are a boner-killer ridiculous - I'm not aroused by women's breasts but it's ridiculous to be repelled by them, if you're gay they should just be a neutral rather than an active turn-off.

It's not about "tantrums" or "having our sexuality threatened". It's about convenience, and having to sift through more content than necessary because the filter system isn't ideal? That's pretty inconvenient.

Personally, I would have just the four checkboxes we currently have - male, female, co-ed and trans. If you select a checkbox, you get content that's tagged just with that particular box. Like, if you had just female, you would get just female, no male, no co-ed and no trans. However, I would also have it that you can select multiple boxes. Therefore if you wanted female or trans content, you could select women and trans, filtering out anything male or co-ed.

It's convenient, and you wouldn't get anyone complaining about male content when they've specified female or vice-versa. Sure, you'll get mistagged content, but that's one of the reasons the report button exists.

The original Male Wam forum always included coed. But now some people want en even tighter control over the gender. I invite you to try the new experimental "Strict" option, and see how you like it.

We went with radio buttons instead of checkboxes for reasons of code complexity and site performance. So I am attempting to offer a simple set of options that pleases the most people by default, and offer preference options for the rest.

Thanks everyone for weighing in!

Just from an organizational standpoint, why is there a Coed selection for what content gets displayed? If those who have Male or Female selected will see things tagged as Coed, then it seems there is no need for this choice -- the tagging maybe, but not that display option.

The most streamlined method would be to make that "Strict" setting the rule (so, no checkbox needed in Preferences). Could some users miss out on content because they don't get what the "Coed" option is all about? Maybe, but I'll bet most of those would find out eventually out of sheer curiosity about that option choice.

The Coed option shows you content that has both male and female in it, combined. Not just one or the other--it has to be guys AND girls in the content. This was put in as a response to people who were only interested in seeing this mixed coed type of wam.

Of course this content does have guys and girls in it at the same time, so that's why it also comes up when you have Female, or Male selected. But now there is a way to tell UMD to be strict and not allow that to happen. This was never an option before.

I wouldn't make strict the default--that's not how the original Male Wam forum was (it always has allowed coed content), so I don't want to jar people too much by making it the new default.

Just adjusted my settings. Still getting a bit of male WAM from one particular user in the videos section.

Glad you're using the settings! I think you might mean splathq? In that case, they do male wam and female wam, and for right now at least, all their content shows up under female. That'll be updated later.

I'm more worried about user error. Make something idiot-proof, and they'll just build a better idiot.

When perusing the video section, I would search for male, and come across a lot of female wam, because there was a guy giving it, even though he remained clean.

I'm more worried that a lot of people tag pics coed if it's a male giving the treatment to a female, but not visa versa. You'd think with explicit instructions, you can't mess that up, but never underestimate people's ability to screw things up. Hell, I sometimes amaze myself with my uncanny abilities to royally blunder.

The strict setting makes it MUCH better - thanks, Messmaster!!!!

Yes, the strict setting seems to return things to much more like how they were. Thank you, it seems like a good elegant solution.

Apologies if I was a little harsh before - I totally get that there's always been a bit of co-ed wam stuff even on the Male forum, but it seemed mostly confined to one particular thread which I never opened, and the rest was little enough to barely register. It's just that all of a sudden it seemed like a deluge of girl pictures (which, again, awesome beyond awesome if that's your thing).

Thanks Messmaster for all you do and for trying to accommodate all the various quirks and kinks of the membership. There really are so few places that cater to this (and so many have come and gone over the years) that it makes this place even more appreciated.

Excellent, i've adjusted my filters to strict, and on the messy forum, seems to have done the job. Female only WAM. Just the way i like it. How do i know this? I logged out, looked at the posts, and compared them when i logged back in, no tranny/co-ed/male wam in sight. This is good to see. Makes this part of the forum which i mainly visit and post in much more pleasant for me indeed. Tried it on the videos section, still see co-ed stuff there showing, but i never go there anyway so that doesn't bother me too much. Great job with the 'strict' feature - like it a lot Messmaster, thanks, it's worked a treat for me there

Maybe I'm missing something here, but where does the former "Women pieing Men" thread (that was in the male forum) appear?

Or is that gone, and the women pieing men is just under "Coed" now?

Norman

Must admit from a catageorisation POV I wish the selectors could be checkboxes (you can pick more than one) instead of radio buttons (you can only pick one). Personally I'd like to be able to see all content that contains females, whether cis or trans or CD, and whether contains just females or males and females. But from the number of times MM has mentioned that it's not possible from a site performance POV, I gather that's a technical obstacle that we need to wait for the next generation of servers to resolve. It does sound like the "strict" option may have resolved most of the issues for people who only want specific things though.

As ever, appreciate the work MM puts into running this site. Must be quite an epic task these days! :notworthy:

I apologize in that I have not read all of the prior posts and perhaps I am redundant. I think the idea of the filters is brilliant but I also feel they can be used more effectively. I really miss the women pieing men forum and the current system does address it but not entirely. I just feel this is getting more complicated than need be. Listed below is my suggestion.

Male - Only male.

Women getting Messy - (either by men, women or themselves) but only women getting messy. No men getting messy.

Coed - Perhaps some overlap with women getting messy section? but also where both men and women get messy

Women Messing/Pieing men - (kind of self explanatory) women messing up men or women with men where the man gets messy but not the women.

I think this would placate everyone and yet be a streamlined and conducive system. Please understand, i am not complaining and appreciate this forum and the efforts put in.

thanks

Just to throw my two pence in.. MM I am with Jessie on not envying your job here!

I have a couple of vids where it's me staying clean and messing up a Tgirl. I've never uploaded them because I wasn't sure where to put them - and this system seems a little bit better but it would seem a bit wrong/insensitive putting it under just coed or just trans.

Forgive me if I'm being dim but I don't see any option that allows users to select both female and trans content. Female and male, yes but female and trans nope.