I refrained from posting in this thread because this sort of post comes up about every 6 months. From a producer standpoint, it tends to feel a bit like, "People aren't making the exact specific videos I like, so I'm gonna complain about it, rather than paying for a custom that delivers the goods." And as [name removed] said so eloquently, you're never gonna please ALL the people even SOME of the time.

I tend to reuse a LOT of scenarios and setups, and I make no apologies. Why? Well:
1) They work well, and sell well.
2) Putting a new model in the same old scenario changes it up a LOT.... from her basic personality, to her delivery, to the way she reacts to the mess.
3) For all the talk about wanting "new" scenarios and storylines, the hard truth is that a LOT of my original ideas tend to flop. HARD. I had a great actress named Brin for about a year, and we tried a couple original ideas for the first time: One was her running a "slapstick marathon" complete with green screen footage.... The other a parody of "Ex Machina" where Ava the android would be discovering slapstick for the first time. (Also, Brin in a skintight catsuit!) I thought the last one, in particular, would be a huge success. Nope! Both wound up underselling.
The Brin scene that wound up selling like hotcakes? Just her lying on the ground, while pies and slime were dropped from above and landed on her face. No unique scenario, just a version of something I saw more than 20 years ago. But it's a setup that people still want to see, apparently.

Is originality and uniqueness a factor in your willingness to buy? Sure. Is it a Top 10 priority for most? Nope. A model you love, in a setup you love (tried-and-true or not), trumps all else.

That said, I still like to try completely original ideas from time-to-time. This one had a pretty simple origin: What's a premise where a super-sexy model with an Eastern European accent would get the most thorough caking of ANY SS girl in history? And thus was born the Cake Thief. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7mDG3-JOQ

Leon having been a fan for many years.. would you not consider looking more into the xxx Or is it very difficult? Your wam through you started off so promisingly....I and this poster, plus many others would pay well to see some xxx mud on location or in the mud wrestling pool etc....wrestling that turned to an orgy would be amazing .... What has been the main reason behind not??

As long as there are ways to get messy and people being sexual, there will be WAM. As far as boring, I don't think so but there are varying degrees of enthusiasm about it for sure.

Just needs more feathers!!!

One of the best replies so far.

Over stimulation creates even more boredom.

We only get the WAM community we each deserve.

Basically what I did. I just gave it a shot and it was at a time when there weren't 10,000 other sites around.

Producers have to do the same thing over and over because its what sells. So they sacrifice being able to experiment or try something new because no one is going to like it or become interested and the producers wont be able to make up the costs.

And when you offer suggestions, some producers may consider it but will probably forget it or like most on here will not only lecture you but even mock you on why it can never be done. Making you feel like you should have never opened your mouth in the first place. Its like, why even bother having ideas.

Sure we could do it ourselves but how many of us have that capability?

You were in such a good place here, I was right on board!



And you lost me. You don't have to make it public, but I'd love to know what producer lectured or mocked you. Because honestly, not only is it rude, AND cruel; it's a terrible business model.

Ideas are a wonderful thing, they're what make the world go round and create innovation. Some aren't always practical, so you go back to "the drawing board" as the saying goes. You don't necessarily have to throw it out, maybe just tweak it.

The beautiful thing about fantasy is that you don't know everything that goes into it. There are things a producer can do to "cheat" that will never appear to the consumer. This is where "thinking outside the box" comes in.

If I recall, you're primary interests are mud and cosplay. Well dude, Halloween is over and costumes are on the CHEAP! Now is the time to maybe stock some up for that custom you had an idea on. Black Friday is around the corner, might be able to scoop some supplies up for cheaper than normally.

Set backs are disheartening, but you need to see them as opportunities to redirect your aim. So the first arrow misses the target, but you see what you did. Now you can use that experience to adjust your aim and be more precise.

What a great post.
To keep my wam interests going I've had many customs made Over the last 15 years or so.
Some amazing and others not so.
I found I was asking to much of my producer and my model to get things perfect, it was an impossible task for them.


You see I do have a smoking fetish too along with the occasional crossdressing! So to reference all of that along with certain dialogue as well was a step too far in some cases lol
I did however have some awesome scenes done by a few of the guys on here.

What keeps it fresh for me now is that i enjoy having a wam session every few months , usually going all out and getting all made up as Sharon.
I act our scenes, lots of time getting help with ideas from my umd friends.
It's really enjoyable , in return I'll post the pics and sometimes where I can give them a shout out via a pie message on the pie plate lol

I was huge fan of Tiswas back in the day , so shaving foam pies galore!
I did adore Gilllys silly house some years back as well.
just loved my clothed wam and humiliating slapstick scenes lol

So with me occasionally dressing as Sharon it's good fun and has re iginited my love of wam mixed with smoking.

Anyways that's where I'm at this moment in time

Here's a few pics from a recent sessions.

Well yes, that would be a cool thing.
But I also see the difficulties of making videos.
Tried more than one time. mydirtyhobbies is born in my homecountryx.... I think. I participated in that. But promises promises. Had a bag full of goodies as it was the plan and it ended up as ordinary XXX clip. Well at least the girl was awesome. She interviewed me later on about wam but never did something into this direction.
Another girl was so keen on this, already sent me photos doing some chocolate stuff in the shower. .... but when I had all the stuff together.... she was so busy and so on.....
I'm still in contact with her but doubt there will be ever a clip with here.
I have the hell of an actress. She would do anything, more than most people can imagine. But different country..... 10 hrs flight.

Sexwork is legal here..... I can find 100 sexworker (60% also doing filming) doing scat and pee games. Asking them about a session with Nutella they just say .... that's gross I don't do such things.....

And ask people for custom stuff. Yeah I'm on it. But also difficult. First they promise they could do everything and have 200 models......
And afterwards... it's 2 models and they don't do mud or outside shoots etc.

As soon as there is a real opportunity and they do a clip I think is cool, I'm doing something into this direction.......

Yes I know that. The pics in my head are different then the results.
I aslo can't describe it so good, or in a way I want to see it.
I think the next times, I'll just take clips refer to them and tell them to do this or that in a different way.

http://www.messy-online.com/

Get in touch with Tyra or Nadine. They aren't really on UMD anymore, but their site still exists. There HAS to be someone to contact. They are the quintessential German WAMmers!

Missed this thread but I'd like to comment on what is is wrong with this statement. What you described is for quicksand not "mud" videos. At MPV this is broken down into two categories and while there is some overlap the typical mud scenarios are not what you have here. For us mud or MPVBleck is a playful, fun, sexual, situation 98% of the time. To that end we have made efforts to keep searching out new things usually at the suggestion of the ladies involved. Mud bubbles, MPVBleck, three girls at a time, long dresses, etc are all new features added to the mud catalog over the last two or three seasons. If MPV overdoes any particular theme it might be masturbation and working outdoors in the sun.

Always willing to listen to suggestions. This is good thread even if it comes up every six months.

I don't see why this is a bad thing? If someone gets turned on by a specific action or situation, then they'll generally enjoy seeing lots of variations on that situation, this is why gunge tanks are so popular. There's not a lot of variety with a gunge tank, the recipient sits or stands in the tank and gunge is then poured on them from above. You can vary how fast the gunge is delivered but the basics are pretty much always the same. And yet there are lots of gunge tank videos sold.

Likewise if you know a certain producer does things in a way you like, you can buy future videos from that producer being reasonably certain you won't get any nasty surprises or missed shots.