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"Is wam getting boring?"
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messyhot said: I like to think I provide the opposite of boring. I don't do mud, so I don't really cater to your niche. But with regard to location, I've shot in abandoned prisons, on public beaches, in the middle of the desert, AT THE GROCERY STORE, an abandoned zoo, by the golden gate bridge, and lots of other fun locations. I also work with very non-traditional models. Very little girl next-door look with MessyHot. My art does center on cake/food mess, but is bright and colorful. When I compare my content sales in the WAM circuit with content I produce for other porn genres, it seems my problem is that I'm NOT boring. It took me a couple years of pushing what I guess counts as "alt-model" content into the WAM community before I managed to get any solid recognition. Oh well that's what you get for trying not to be boring 
i can agree that your stuff is never boring!! i love seeing all the different varieties of girls and the locations! you do have a certain "niche" or you DID until you just introduced the whole slime aspect of things and are doing it in a totally cool and different way!! your own way and i love it! I am ALWAYS looking at your new stuff!! i have particular models of yours i find more attractive than others but that is the beauty of it! i have choices!! yeeeeee!!!
Get Messy, Get Wet, C'mon Get Happy!
WetBootsLover said:
Everything on UMD is generic and reptitive.
WAM with a story is also much better than someone just tipping shit all over themselves.
Everything on UMD is generic and reptitive.
WAM with a story is also much better than someone just tipping shit all over themselves.
I refrained from posting in this thread because this sort of post comes up about every 6 months. From a producer standpoint, it tends to feel a bit like, "People aren't making the exact specific videos I like, so I'm gonna complain about it, rather than paying for a custom that delivers the goods." And as [name removed] said so eloquently, you're never gonna please ALL the people even SOME of the time.
I tend to reuse a LOT of scenarios and setups, and I make no apologies. Why? Well:
1) They work well, and sell well.
2) Putting a new model in the same old scenario changes it up a LOT.... from her basic personality, to her delivery, to the way she reacts to the mess.
3) For all the talk about wanting "new" scenarios and storylines, the hard truth is that a LOT of my original ideas tend to flop. HARD. I had a great actress named Brin for about a year, and we tried a couple original ideas for the first time: One was her running a "slapstick marathon" complete with green screen footage.... The other a parody of "Ex Machina" where Ava the android would be discovering slapstick for the first time. (Also, Brin in a skintight catsuit!) I thought the last one, in particular, would be a huge success. Nope! Both wound up underselling.
The Brin scene that wound up selling like hotcakes? Just her lying on the ground, while pies and slime were dropped from above and landed on her face. No unique scenario, just a version of something I saw more than 20 years ago. But it's a setup that people still want to see, apparently.
Is originality and uniqueness a factor in your willingness to buy? Sure. Is it a Top 10 priority for most? Nope. A model you love, in a setup you love (tried-and-true or not), trumps all else.
That said, I still like to try completely original ideas from time-to-time. This one had a pretty simple origin: What's a premise where a super-sexy model with an Eastern European accent would get the most thorough caking of ANY SS girl in history? And thus was born the Cake Thief. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7mDG3-JOQ
Potatoman-J said:
I guess he's more wondering if anyone else feels the same way. So, I would say I can relate since WAM is sexual/sensual for me. I'm bored because I have no one to do it with. But that's hardly the fault of any producer, model, etc. It's just the circumstances of my life currently.
leonmoomin said:
The title of the post is incorrect, I feel the poster should have posted:
No one is producing what I like any more, so I am bored.
The title of the post is incorrect, I feel the poster should have posted:
No one is producing what I like any more, so I am bored.
I guess he's more wondering if anyone else feels the same way. So, I would say I can relate since WAM is sexual/sensual for me. I'm bored because I have no one to do it with. But that's hardly the fault of any producer, model, etc. It's just the circumstances of my life currently.
Leon having been a fan for many years.. would you not consider looking more into the xxx Or is it very difficult? Your wam through you started off so promisingly....I and this poster, plus many others would pay well to see some xxx mud on location or in the mud wrestling pool etc....wrestling that turned to an orgy would be amazing .... What has been the main reason behind not??
Just needs more feathers!!!
sirclock said: Geez, there are alot of complainers.
Porn-addiction like any drug requires more and more outlandish mental material to get off and get the boost of dopamine and serotonin that keeps an addict hooked. If you do not take a break from porn and watch it every day redundantly it will get old. It wouldn't matter what porn it is or what the producer is creating. It will get old. The same is true for sex addiction, or any drug, if you don't take a break you will form a dependency and the drug of choice will lose its pleasure.
The redundancy that people in this thread are complaining about IS the wam fetish... The fetish has honed itself to the themes it has because that's what people want and request... That said, it always amazed me how many people complain about the material producers create: "Well this WOULD be hot (if she were wearing clown shoes...)". No. You just have a mental obsession and it's nobody's job to read your mind and cater for you.
Beggars cannot be choosers. If you want better wam create it yourself. Inspire the rest of the community with your creativity. Without a doubt this fetish has expanded immensely over the years because some people are doing just that.
Porn-addiction like any drug requires more and more outlandish mental material to get off and get the boost of dopamine and serotonin that keeps an addict hooked. If you do not take a break from porn and watch it every day redundantly it will get old. It wouldn't matter what porn it is or what the producer is creating. It will get old. The same is true for sex addiction, or any drug, if you don't take a break you will form a dependency and the drug of choice will lose its pleasure.
The redundancy that people in this thread are complaining about IS the wam fetish... The fetish has honed itself to the themes it has because that's what people want and request... That said, it always amazed me how many people complain about the material producers create: "Well this WOULD be hot (if she were wearing clown shoes...)". No. You just have a mental obsession and it's nobody's job to read your mind and cater for you.
Beggars cannot be choosers. If you want better wam create it yourself. Inspire the rest of the community with your creativity. Without a doubt this fetish has expanded immensely over the years because some people are doing just that.
One of the best replies so far.
Over stimulation creates even more boredom.
We only get the WAM community we each deserve.
Bringing pleasure to literally tens of people!
If you want better wam create it yourself.
Basically what I did. I just gave it a shot and it was at a time when there weren't 10,000 other sites around.
Producers have to do the same thing over and over because its what sells. So they sacrifice being able to experiment or try something new because no one is going to like it or become interested and the producers wont be able to make up the costs.
And when you offer suggestions, some producers may consider it but will probably forget it or like most on here will not only lecture you but even mock you on why it can never be done. Making you feel like you should have never opened your mouth in the first place. Its like, why even bother having ideas.
Sure we could do it ourselves but how many of us have that capability?
And when you offer suggestions, some producers may consider it but will probably forget it or like most on here will not only lecture you but even mock you on why it can never be done. Making you feel like you should have never opened your mouth in the first place. Its like, why even bother having ideas.
Sure we could do it ourselves but how many of us have that capability?
Nico Nico Nii
NicoNicoNii said: Producers have to do the same thing over and over because its what sells. So they sacrifice being able to experiment or try something new because no one is going to like it or become interested and the producers wont be able to make up the costs.
You were in such a good place here, I was right on board!
And when you offer suggestions, some producers may consider it but will probably forget it or like most on here will not only lecture you but even mock you on why it can never be done. Making you feel like you should have never opened your mouth in the first place. Its like, why even bother having ideas.
Sure we could do it ourselves but how many of us have that capability?
Sure we could do it ourselves but how many of us have that capability?
And you lost me. You don't have to make it public, but I'd love to know what producer lectured or mocked you. Because honestly, not only is it rude, AND cruel; it's a terrible business model.
Ideas are a wonderful thing, they're what make the world go round and create innovation. Some aren't always practical, so you go back to "the drawing board" as the saying goes. You don't necessarily have to throw it out, maybe just tweak it.
The beautiful thing about fantasy is that you don't know everything that goes into it. There are things a producer can do to "cheat" that will never appear to the consumer. This is where "thinking outside the box" comes in.
If I recall, you're primary interests are mud and cosplay. Well dude, Halloween is over and costumes are on the CHEAP! Now is the time to maybe stock some up for that custom you had an idea on. Black Friday is around the corner, might be able to scoop some supplies up for cheaper than normally.
Set backs are disheartening, but you need to see them as opportunities to redirect your aim. So the first arrow misses the target, but you see what you did. Now you can use that experience to adjust your aim and be more precise.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
What a great post.
To keep my wam interests going I've had many customs made Over the last 15 years or so.
Some amazing and others not so.
I found I was asking to much of my producer and my model to get things perfect, it was an impossible task for them.
You see I do have a smoking fetish too along with the occasional crossdressing! So to reference all of that along with certain dialogue as well was a step too far in some cases lol
I did however have some awesome scenes done by a few of the guys on here.
What keeps it fresh for me now is that i enjoy having a wam session every few months , usually going all out and getting all made up as Sharon.
I act our scenes, lots of time getting help with ideas from my umd friends.
It's really enjoyable , in return I'll post the pics and sometimes where I can give them a shout out via a pie message on the pie plate lol
I was huge fan of Tiswas back in the day , so shaving foam pies galore!
I did adore Gilllys silly house some years back as well.
just loved my clothed wam and humiliating slapstick scenes lol
So with me occasionally dressing as Sharon it's good fun and has re iginited my love of wam mixed with smoking.
Anyways that's where I'm at this moment in time
Here's a few pics from a recent sessions.
To keep my wam interests going I've had many customs made Over the last 15 years or so.
Some amazing and others not so.
I found I was asking to much of my producer and my model to get things perfect, it was an impossible task for them.
You see I do have a smoking fetish too along with the occasional crossdressing! So to reference all of that along with certain dialogue as well was a step too far in some cases lol
I did however have some awesome scenes done by a few of the guys on here.
What keeps it fresh for me now is that i enjoy having a wam session every few months , usually going all out and getting all made up as Sharon.
I act our scenes, lots of time getting help with ideas from my umd friends.
It's really enjoyable , in return I'll post the pics and sometimes where I can give them a shout out via a pie message on the pie plate lol
I was huge fan of Tiswas back in the day , so shaving foam pies galore!
I did adore Gilllys silly house some years back as well.
just loved my clothed wam and humiliating slapstick scenes lol
So with me occasionally dressing as Sharon it's good fun and has re iginited my love of wam mixed with smoking.
Anyways that's where I'm at this moment in time
Here's a few pics from a recent sessions.
sirclock said: Geez, there are alot of complainers.
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Beggars cannot be choosers. If you want better wam create it yourself. Inspire the rest of the community with your creativity. Without a doubt this fetish has expanded immensely over the years because some people are doing just that.
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Beggars cannot be choosers. If you want better wam create it yourself. Inspire the rest of the community with your creativity. Without a doubt this fetish has expanded immensely over the years because some people are doing just that.
Well yes, that would be a cool thing.
But I also see the difficulties of making videos.
Tried more than one time. mydirtyhobbies is born in my homecountryx.... I think. I participated in that. But promises promises. Had a bag full of goodies as it was the plan and it ended up as ordinary XXX clip. Well at least the girl was awesome. She interviewed me later on about wam but never did something into this direction.
Another girl was so keen on this, already sent me photos doing some chocolate stuff in the shower. .... but when I had all the stuff together.... she was so busy and so on.....
I'm still in contact with her but doubt there will be ever a clip with here.
I have the hell of an actress. She would do anything, more than most people can imagine. But different country..... 10 hrs flight.
Sexwork is legal here..... I can find 100 sexworker (60% also doing filming) doing scat and pee games. Asking them about a session with Nutella they just say .... that's gross I don't do such things.....
And ask people for custom stuff. Yeah I'm on it. But also difficult. First they promise they could do everything and have 200 models......
And afterwards... it's 2 models and they don't do mud or outside shoots etc.
As soon as there is a real opportunity and they do a clip I think is cool, I'm doing something into this direction.......
SmokySharon said: What a great post.
To keep my wam interests going I've had many customs made Over the last 15 years or so.
Some amazing and others not so.
I found I was asking to much of my producer and my model to get things perfect, it was an impossible task for them.
.......................
To keep my wam interests going I've had many customs made Over the last 15 years or so.
Some amazing and others not so.
I found I was asking to much of my producer and my model to get things perfect, it was an impossible task for them.
.......................
Yes I know that. The pics in my head are different then the results.
I aslo can't describe it so good, or in a way I want to see it.
I think the next times, I'll just take clips refer to them and tell them to do this or that in a different way.
http://www.messy-online.com/ 
Get in touch with Tyra or Nadine. They aren't really on UMD anymore, but their site still exists. There HAS to be someone to contact. They are the quintessential German WAMmers!
Get in touch with Tyra or Nadine. They aren't really on UMD anymore, but their site still exists. There HAS to be someone to contact. They are the quintessential German WAMmers!
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
Bobographer said: I have to say after many years of watching (and even producing) wam, that a lot of it is very predictable. There seems to be a formula.
A mud formula also exists:
1. Girl somehow steps into deep mud or clay or peat.
2. Girl struggles and sinks deeper and deeper.
3. Girl panics while the mud slowly pulls her in deeper.
4. Girl eventually goes completely under, presumably to die.
Also, if a producer tries something new, they sometimes keep doing that new thing, adding it to their predictable routine body of work. Then it's no longer new. We need some new ideas to be produced, and some producers do a good job at trying to do that, while others stick to the routine.
A mud formula also exists:
1. Girl somehow steps into deep mud or clay or peat.
2. Girl struggles and sinks deeper and deeper.
3. Girl panics while the mud slowly pulls her in deeper.
4. Girl eventually goes completely under, presumably to die.
Also, if a producer tries something new, they sometimes keep doing that new thing, adding it to their predictable routine body of work. Then it's no longer new. We need some new ideas to be produced, and some producers do a good job at trying to do that, while others stick to the routine.
Missed this thread but I'd like to comment on what is is wrong with this statement. What you described is for quicksand not "mud" videos. At MPV this is broken down into two categories and while there is some overlap the typical mud scenarios are not what you have here. For us mud or MPVBleck is a playful, fun, sexual, situation 98% of the time. To that end we have made efforts to keep searching out new things usually at the suggestion of the ladies involved. Mud bubbles, MPVBleck, three girls at a time, long dresses, etc are all new features added to the mud catalog over the last two or three seasons. If MPV overdoes any particular theme it might be masturbation and working outdoors in the sun.
Always willing to listen to suggestions. This is good thread even if it comes up every six months.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
Also, if a producer tries something new, they sometimes keep doing that new thing, adding it to their predictable routine body of work. Then it's no longer new. We need some new ideas to be produced, and some producers do a good job at trying to do that, while others stick to the routine.
I don't see why this is a bad thing? If someone gets turned on by a specific action or situation, then they'll generally enjoy seeing lots of variations on that situation, this is why gunge tanks are so popular. There's not a lot of variety with a gunge tank, the recipient sits or stands in the tank and gunge is then poured on them from above. You can vary how fast the gunge is delivered but the basics are pretty much always the same. And yet there are lots of gunge tank videos sold.
Likewise if you know a certain producer does things in a way you like, you can buy future videos from that producer being reasonably certain you won't get any nasty surprises or missed shots.
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