Found on ye Bookface - guessing that most people on here are likely to share the same views on this character (a far right bigot for those outside of the UK who are lucky enough to not know who he is)

I would remind the person there to set it to "video" and to set up the camera above the tide mark. Use a tripod for stability.

'far right bigot ' in your opinion

I think, regardless of politics opinions, we should keep kink and politics very separate. Websites like UMD are one of fewer and fewer places where a shared interest can be political free.

It's not my post, but I don't think anything like this has a place in the kink world, regardless of how nuanced the link to kink is.

May I suggest deleting this post before it gets into a X / Twitter style mob discussion? We want to connect with people on a kink level, and exposing political opinions can suddenly break those connections.

This is the non-wam section so is already separate from WAM itself, it is not "in the kink world". I personally have no issues with politics (from any country) being discussed here as I find it interesting to hear folks opinions.

The non-wam section is for everything non-kink related, that is the point of this section of the forum, as this is a community I enjoy this section. Here you can connect with people on a NON-kink level.

If you only want porn, then don't click on it, if you don't like the post then ignore it (unless opinion was asked for, obviously). I do notice though on the few more 'right-wing' posts that happened here, no one complained about them being up. Funny how the right hate cancel culture unless they are doing it...

Telling people they "shouldn't discuss it here" or to delete the post is tantamount to silencing so my opinion is to leave it up

Is it the "far right" that you dispute? Or the "bigot"? My understanding is that UKIP is self-identified as a far-right party, so to me--an American, admittedly--it'd be a little strange if you disagreed that Farage himself was far-right.

Which leaves "bigot." I guess there's always room to debate the nature of another person's soul, but I do think he tends to say things that sound like the things that bigots say. Apparently he said that he feels "uncomfortable" around people speaking other languages, he uses racial slurs, he's not okay with breastfeeding (somehow????), and he seems to have a lot of affection for other politicians who themselves are bigots.

Now, does that make him a bigot? Again, there's only one person who's inside Nigel Farage's head, and that's Nigel Farage. I'm not psychic. You're not psychic. We can only draw reasoned conclusions. But at the very least, he spends an awful lot of time meandering around in the general vicinity of being a bigot. If you know differently--say, if you have some evidence of Farage's abiding love and concern for racial or religious minorities--I'd be happy to hear it. Otherwise, I think the best you can do is to admit that, even if he's not a bigot per se, he's certainly more bigot-like than he ought to be.


This strikes me as a very strange comment. If you personally are afraid that you won't be able to sustain a connection with someone after having a political conversation with them... why join the political conversation? Surely you could just click away?

I'd also like to ask that you not speak for the whole community. "We" have had lots of constructive political conversations, both connected to WAM (because, yes, sexuality is political) and not. I think it's important to allow people to connect with people on multiple levels. Indeed, I think that you're proposing to recreate the exact problem that we're all here to solve, which is the challenge of being able to express ourselves honestly without being shamed into silence. We shouldn't be shamed into denying our goofy sexual kink, we shouldn't be shamed into giving up on the songs or TV shows we enjoy as guilty pleasures, and we shouldn't be shamed into staying silent about politics.

And like, again, I understand if you're not ready to join the conversation yet. Political conversations can be scary, and it often feels like there's a lot of bad faith, and and and... etc. So I'm not trying to force you to do something that you're not comfortable with. But if you look around, I think you'll see that it's very possible to have a productive political conversation here. So I don't really think that we need the mods to come in and censor those conversations before they even get off the ground.

Given that his party is openly smear-campaigning against Diversity, Equality and Inclusivity in a manner which is spreading hate against anyone who's different by disability, neurotype, gender, ethinicity, sexual orientation (and no doubt other examples beyond my recall right now) I rather think that almost certainly relates to very many of us here on UMD.

My post was intended as a bit of humour but if you want to suggest to me that I withdraw it to keep the peace then perhaps you may wish to consider the perspectives of those who are directly maginalised by the politics of this man and his cronies.

No, I'm not taking it down.

Firstly, I didn't realise it was in the non-WAM section, nor did I realise that the non-WAM forum could become an extension of Twitter.

I have to emphasise that "cancelling" free speech, or spouting vitriol at anyone with an opposing view is absolutely NOT what I am advocating for. Free speech and being able to express one's opinions is a basic human right; sadly not all seem to want to treat that fairly.

What I am trying to say, and this would apply to any political commentary be it left, far left, centre, right, far right, is that when kink and politics mix, in my opinion, it makes for uncomfortable bedfellows. In my view, kink should be neutral, impartial, and should be above politics, which by its very nature can be divisive. Then there are those who may hold certain political views that go against the grain, and likely in a minority, may then feel excluded from the world of kink that - on the face of it - is apolitical.

Should a place like UMD - that is a fetish website for those who like messy play - also be a place for political discussion or opinions? Don't we have Twitter for that? Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but is a kink website the place for it?

That's all.

As for my suggestion of taking down the post, was not because I found it offensive - peoples opinions are that and they are entitled to it - I was for the above mentioned reasons I thought it may be wise to avoid creating any negativity, seen or unseen.

Personally, if someone holds political views that are bigoted in any way, be they racist, homophobic, transphobic or otherwise, I'd rather they did feel excluded. I would assume that the majority of us, especially in the world of kink, would not want to associate with those people in any way. People's rights to exist are not "political." Not that I'm suggesting you personally hold these views, of course

Sorry, I guess I'm still a little confused. What I was trying to say was, if you don't want to have this conversation, why are you having it? Like, actively still choosing to have it? "I didn't realize I was in the non-WAM forum" doesn't seem like it explains it, because now you know that you're here and you are, well, still here.

And that's not a bad thing! Again, you're welcome to keep talking about this stuff. It just seems very odd to me that you say you don't want to do this and then you actively continue doing it. Surely there must be some reason why you're going against your own stated desires, yes?


Er, it isn't? What's the difference between that and what you're doing? You've entered into a space where people are speaking freely and then told them to stop because their speech is bad. I guess you think there's a distinction to be made here. Maybe you can explain it. Right now I don't see it.


Yeah, for sure. I don't think you'll find too many people here who disagree with your premise. As you say, politics is innately divisive, which makes it innately uncomfortable. Where I (and seemingly others) disagree is the step you take after that, which is to argue that we should just stop doing it *because* it's uncomfortable.

Again, to reiterate: no one is forcing you to read this thread, have this conversation, or whatever. If you personally are too uncomfortable to continue, that's okay! No one is going to judge you for seeing a post like this, thinking to yourself, "Nope, that's not for me," and then not participating. But that's very, very different from jumping in and saying, "*I* am uncomfortable, therefore *you* must all stop." Do you see why that's different? And why it does more to stifle community than to support it?


Certain political views like... what, exactly?


Yeah, I mean, I'm explicitly saying yes. At least two or three other people in this thread are explicitly saying yes. Is there some reason why you think our opinions or preferences just shouldn't count?


But who's creating negativity here? Not to belabor the point, but let's run back through the series of events. Someone started a political thread. A couple other people showed up and started having a conversation. Then you said that all of it had to stop and insinuated that the very act of posting about politics was damaging to the community. Surely your post, which directly tells other people what to do, is creating at least some negativity. So if you didn't want to create negativity, why, again, did you not just shake your head in the privacy of your own home and think to yourself, "Ah well, that's not what I would have done, but to each their own"?

There's some very incisive responses on here, thank you to those who have contributed. I'm autistic and in situations such as these, whilst I might sometimes know that something is very uncomfortably wrong, I might not always be able to express why. Thank you to those who've added depth to the debate.

In respect of my original post, I felt it bore a similarity to the time when a film of Mark Zuckerberg's grilling by the US Congresswoman Alexandria Occasio-Courtez (no promises I spelt that name correctly) reportedly appeared on another website known for sexual content under the title 'Femdom - Public Humiliation' which I found absolutely hilarious.

1. Comparing this to twitter is stupid. There are far fewer people and we can write and converse way better than that troll-site.

2. I know you were no advocating against free speech, as this is not free speech. That is the right for a government to not arrest you for what you say. (This will help you understand free speech and cancel culture aka boycotting a lot better. only takes about 30 seconds: https://xkcd.com/1357/).

3. If you feel excluded because of your political views from ANYWHERE, then you probably deserve to be excluded. Maybe look at who you are hurting with said views. FYI, if you are anti-LGBT, anti-immigrants, anti-women's rights, anti-POC etc, then you are hurting minorities/suppressed...plus I will do my VERY BEST to make you feel unwelcome, unwanted and excluded.

4. Again, other parts of this forum are kink related, this is bit is not kink related. You noticed that in your opening line...yet still try with this pointless argument.

Basically this you are just doing the old right wing snowflake "waa waa waa, I don't like this, take it down" routine, yet are more than happy when folks dog-pile on others you don't like. I bet if this turned into a 100% save 'Farage while giving Trump a blowie' thread, you wouldn't have even piped up.
Take that kink to twitter.

To participate in Twitter you really need to spend some time gathering followers posting things etc. I prefer forum sites where I can dip in and out. I probably spend more time on this forum than the rest of the site. Growing up with a fetish definitely influenced how I developed. I feel it made me more open minded and more considerate of others views. I feel that this applies to the other users on this site and that's why I enjoy the off topic discussions here so much. I completely get your point that among other groups conversations that high light beliefs etc can decide people. I don't feel that's as big a risk here. Even when I manage to say the opposite of what I mean people rarely jump on their keyboards to berate my posts. I think that's why some felt your post was a bit divisive which must suck as it was the complete opposite of what you were trying to do.