What do you guys look for in the scenes you like and buy? Is there one or more element that is essential, or more important that anything else?
Maybe it has to have a humiliation theme, or it must feature sliming?
Maybe it has to have some 'other' thing, like a watch or white jeans?
Maybe it just has to feature multiple hot girls?

Are there any elements that will absolutely kill a scene for you?

You might not like it, but your poll is missing the absolute most important dealbreaker for a scene... At least for (I'd estimate) 80% of the current UMD:

NUDITY.

Hehe, that's true - what was I thinking? Well, maybe that'll be confirmed in the comments...

It's confirmed in produced content, it's confirmed in overall sales, and it's confirmed in every nook and cranny of this site.

If you need confirmation from a poll as well... Then sure.

Attractive model, humiliation scenario, and nudity.

Rich is right!

This may sound rather shallow, but I have to think the model's attractive, or I just shrug and walk on by. Other stuff like substances, coverage and personality all of course then matter to various degrees, but the model has to do something for me before they come into play. "Girl next door" is often just as good as a more conventionally stunning model here, but if I'm going to buy a scene then that initial buzz of "She's nice!" is essential.

Then again, this is obviously a sexual fetish, so that my preference is for models that I think are attractive...? Wow, who knew?

Anomaly.

It's also an interesting experiment for me. Which will sell better... A heavily advertised scene at a cheap price with all five of the elements mentioned above? Or a completely unadvertised scene, much more expensive and not too different from my other clips, save that ONE important detail?

The answer... will probably not surprise anyone.

a gorgeous model, humiliation (but best woudl be BONDAGE for me) and NUDITY...or at least some topless!

Well, now that I know it's out there - I will be buying

I don't like nudity but panties yes. In fact what I value of clothless is the humiliating aspect of it, not the nudeness itself...

But substances are definetly the most important... edible substances or I don't buy nothing...

Molybdenum.

This is exactly correct. You can have the ALL the elements I like in a beautifully produced video and will ignore it if the model isn't attractive.

Ha! Glad it's not just me being shallow, then!

This isn't a news flash. No guy is gonna buy wank material starring a woman he finds unattractive.

The problem is there's no "agreed" standard for attractive. Ask 10 guys on here to pick the "Most Attractive Model," and you'll get 10 different answers. There are models I've seen over the years that I personally don't find attractive in the slightest... But clearly sales and time have proven I'm in the minority!

Different tastes are a fact of life on here. It just tends to make it even more challenging as a producer.

Are you saying, Rich, that YOU have hired women you don't find attractive? If so, why would you do that?

#1 has nothing to do with nudity. Zero. Zip. Nada.

RIch hit it dead on. Do you find the model attractive.

Nothing else matters until that is "fulfilled."

Regarding nudity, I have an interesting story. (Don't I always?)

Before we first started shooting videos as some of you know I talked to hundreds of wammers asking them what they wanted to see. The question was very open ended. Just tell me what you like to see with regard to WAM.

Now, this is back in 1998 keep in mind. But out of about 300 discussions, nudity was mentioned in 97 of them. And that DID surprise me. I thought it would be much more. So I dug a little deeper into why various people liked various WAM elements and found a consistent theme for one particular area. Once I figured it out I had a "DUH ROBBY" moment too because it made perfect sense.

Now, there's a lot of people who disagree with me I'm sure but i'm convinced from continuing to talk to wammers that it's right on target.

Rich....what happens on the UMD forum stays on the UMD forum.

What I mean by that is what you see on the forum is actually a very small part of those who are interested in WAM. In much the same way people who call into radio stations are a tiny fraction f their actual listeners.

Whenever we got an order we wanted to know where it came from. We were surprised to find while a lot were posters and members on this forum well over half were not.

How did they find us? Search engines.

I can't believe the number of conversations I have had with customers who

A. Have never heard of the UMD

and

B. Have no interest in reading what others have to say about WAM on the UMD.

They just know we made the kind of pienography that they enjoy.

The preceding babble is what happens when you spend the afternoon at a bar drinking Fuzzy Roosters (don't ask) with college buddies on a Super Bowl college reunion weekend.

Robby
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Hot girl.

• The outfit has to be right, something I find attractive.
  
• The model(s) have to look happy, like they are enjoying the scene.
  
• We have to be able to see the scene properly, no shaking cameras or zooming in or jigging about.
  
• We have to be able to clearly see the model(s) legs and bums getting gunged - not "pan down afterwards" - I want to see it happening.

• Nudity. I'm only into fully clothed WAM.
  
• Low-rise jeans and trousers.
  
• Model is obviously hating it.

Related to all this - decent previews and descriptions. It doesn't matter how awesome a scene is, if I can't tell what's in it, no sale. I used to have an absolute rule that I'd never buy from any producer who didn't allow you to enlarge the preview thumbnails, though I've now modified that in that I'll consider buying such a scene if there are a great many small thumbs so you can really tell what happens in the scene, or the text description is accurate and well written enough that you can really tell what the models are wearing, or there is a trailer that shows enough detail. Though making useful trailers is a real art - it takes me roughly three times as long to edit a trailer as it does to edit the original scene. A good trailer is worth its weight in electrons though for really letting the customers know what they are getting.

Finally, huge thanks to MessMaster for re-allowing bullet point lists in forum posts - cheers!

For me, the model generally decides whether I'll pay to see a scene, so the producers are absolutely right. If I don't think she's absolutely stunning, it's a no go.
From then on, it's content related, and primarily I'm on the prowl for NAKED cake sitting videos.
(Producers right again!)

There's a reason that the store listings at http://thewamstore.com are still separated into nude and non-nude categories. I discovered a decade ago that the non-nude contingent is an entirely different breed of fetishist and they tend to be more vocal about it. The market is still there.

I go the opposite way with nudity. I'm not interested in it (as far as WAM scenes go). I guess I like seeing clothes destroyed. I love naked women, I just like it when they put clothes on before getting pied. Something casual, like you'd see on the street.

Anyways, that's my random two cents. I can feel how frustrating it is for you producers. Keep fighting the good (food)fight.

On nudity. I don't care one way or the other. The situation, the mess and the model are paramount. But I found that I prefer producers who do not do nudity? Why? Because the scenes do not devolve into some version of what the producer thinks is erotic. Besides nudity is everywhere nowadays. Why do I need it in my fetish, which as a fetish, means that it is the "item" (pie, slime, mud,etc.) not the norm (boobs, ass, legs) that gets me off?

Nope, never. And sometimes it's frustrating... Because I would (very occasionally) get unprompted messages from models who wanted to shoot. There was no "convincing." They were 100% fine with getting pied. BUT... I just didn't think they were attractive. So I passed. What's the point after all? (One of them actually wound up shooting with another producer. It was ages ago. It doesn't matter. I think she sold well, actually.)

I think MY frustration is more the realization that just because *I* find a model attractive, that's no guarantee my customer base will. I contacted Shelly off FB because I liked her casual pics... No Photoshop, no filters, she looked like a really cute girl-next-door. And her attitude was awesome. Then after the first shoot, I just thought, "I've hit the gold mine! This girl is fearless & up for anything & does the reactions perfectly & has the best butt I've ever seen. Who isn't gonna love her?..."



FTR, my tastes tend to align with "yours" most of the time. The models where I think, "She's WAY better looking than most girls"... Those are the girls that do sell well. I think I have a soft spot for the ones that are less "conventionally" attractive but have perfect slapstick personalities (Shelly, Brin, a few others). Unfortunately, those are the tough sells. C'est la vie.

HOLD THE PHONE .... How'd I miss this?!

I'm going to have to buy this one, just for ... well, really for the boobs, but also for the comedy of Kylie being like "I absolutely cannot keep my top on, sorry" and Rich frantically trying to talk her back into it.

I would say the model and the mess are interchangeably important for me.

By that I mean, either could be a deal breaker. If the mess is great, but it's a model that has some of my deal breaker characteristics I won't buy a video. Example. Kaydens' looks waaaaay doesn't match my personal preferences.

On the other hand, a great model in a perfect outfit could be ruined for me if ya pour bean on her. Bleh, I hate beans lol.

The white plastic chair. Every time.

Absolutely sums it up for me, every word!

You might be joking, but that's actually absolutely how I scripted it. Except she has to "hand bra" all the time which means she can't wipe away all the mess coming at her.
It's also a shame I'll have to retire immediately. You know, "the day Regis buys something is the day...."

Nudity never used to be the deal breaker, its only in the past few years WAM has gone that way. For what its worth some of my most popular scenes have been clothed.

If the model is unattractive no amount of mess is going to make her pretty.