not a good name said: In separate news: Trump voters are fucking morons.
I can appreciate that some Trump supporters were... ah... desperate , long before the election ever began. I suspect however, that many are just terrified of the prospect of that abusive, lying, warmongering bitch getting back into the White House.
To see her McCarthy era tactics already being relayed into the geopolitical arena is indeed frightening. Something I always thought that western societies were too smart to ever fall for again and yet it is blatantly obvious when (in the Western Press) the Syrian Army with Russia's help is fighting the ISIL/Daesh "Rebels" occupying the Syrian city of Aleppo and the casualties referred to as "War Crimes" while the Iraqi forces with the help of the US are fighting the same ISIL/Daesh forces occupying the Iraqi city of Mosul which they call "Terrorists" and the casualties "Collateral Damage".
If nothing else this election has indeed shown the true and criminally corrupt nature of the standing US Government with many political representatives world wide observing it as nothing less than "embarrassing".
No doubt this election is between the worst of the worst, it also seems to be the only choice available between the corrupt, narcissist drive of one of the world's superpowers towards WW3 for no other reasons but profit and ego and a slightly less confrontational stance.
not a good name said: All Trump supporters are either evil or willfully ignorant. Period.
Obviously. As is every Republican & Democratic supporter.
Election after election after election - what makes ANY MENTALLY INFERIOR SUBHUMAN think that somehow THEIR favorite pet republican candidate or democrat candidate will be DIFFERENT from ANY OTHER?
In separate news: Trump voters are fucking morons.
All Trump supporters are either evil or willfully ignorant. Period.
Fuck Cinnamon Hitler, and fuck his agitprop Russian puppet masters, too.
Well it's certainly hard to argue with such factually intelligent discourse as that, and too, what would be the point.
Please though, do not take me as a Trump "supporter", I just fear him less than Killary and suspect a Trump Presidency would throw the shadow government's plans for more illegal wars of regime change for a loop, and perhaps postpone WWIII.
Likewise, you needn't fear my vote either, I'm Canadian
It's hard to argue with someone so deluded (or who hates the way society has gone since the 1950s) as to think Clinton is worse than Trump on anything.
So utterly pointless & waste-of-time to argue over which of Hillarity or Trumpanzee is worse, when we have so many excellent Presidents to elect: Dr Jill Stein, Clifton Roberts, John McAfee, Zoltan Istvan.
It's hard to argue with someone so deluded who thinks that putting meat-eaters into prison for needlessly causing animals to be forced into existence, without their permission, confined in factory farms, and tortured to death is somehow worse than allowing anti-vegans to get away with
Fact: Nobody is entitled to the status quo.
Fact: Nobody is entitled to the continued existence of any institutions: police, judges, courts, FBI, NSA, nations - any nation - I am NOT just making some tired old unfair cherrypicking rant against the United States. I HATE that bigoted antiAmerican crap.
Fact: Every organism is a soldier, fighting for a cause. The only difference between a violent protestor or terrorist versus a cop or soldier is the soldier or cop gets paid.
Fact: ALL decisions are utilitarian decisions, from whether to brush your teeth in the morning, or whether to drop nuclear bombs all over Saudi Arabia to stop the endless persecution of atheists & free speech activists, or whether to drop nuclear bombs all over Wall Street There almost always are never unique solutions. The computation/calculations get massively complex. The non-uniqueness of solutions requires other conditions to break ties. Nevertheless....
But, in NO situation - say, a conflict over antinatalist animal rights - i.e. the right of animals - both human & nonhuman - to not be forcibly bred by the billions just to give pleasure (meat, fur, etc) to someone else - or Occupy Wall Street activists fighting Goldman Sachs & JP Morgan financial terrorists from forcing poverty on 300 million Americans just because financial terrorists want to do no real hard work & get rich by printing money for themselves & using that corrupt money to steal real physical assets - can one say unilaterally & asymmetrically "the negative of violence is never justified" or "I can't stand militant atheists" (without considering WHY they are militant & WHAT they fight for) - and then in another situation - say, American troops fighting ISIS in Syria - "judgement is made based upon how much the positives outweigh the negatives".
Fact: the INSTANT you use the excuse that such-and-such behavior is bad or such-and-such behavior is good or justified "because that's what society thinks", then you are a socialist. The instant you support LAWS - ANY laws - you are a socialist. The instant you call the cops on your to stop somebody from reproducing a zillion copies of your copyrighted material just because you don't want them to, you are a socialist. The instant you are not an anarchist, you are a socialist. Hence, if you disagree with ANOTHER socialist about
Election time, each year, is a particularly difficult time for me. And the leap years - US presidential years - are the worst. Because all the stupid erupts out of people. And it reminds me and gives me absolute courage to be a nihilist.
For ANY X you cannot tell / preach to X to be respectful of Y for Y doing, or advocating doing, something (event E) that X thinks is negative, for any particular instance of X & Y & E, unless you tell it to ALL X & Y for ALL events E.
Partially using some of the notation I have worked up for this X respect Y even though (E<~E)#X ^ (~E
My favorite video of all time (EXCEPT for the usual bullshit provably-wrong conspiracy propaganda - which proves that the FIRST part of the video is even greater & more important than it otherwise would be in order to offset the conspiracy crap that I don't agree with)
I absolutely & proudly plan to kill myself on election day if either Dr Jill Stein or Zoltan Istvan or Clifton Roberts or John McAfee is not elected President. Fuck the political correctness of anyone who disagrees with that.
The extreme rightwing fascism of republicrats & demopublicans is EXACTLY why I REFUSE to give my money or do any business with anyone who thinks that a soldier is anything more than a violent protestor or radical who is lucky to get PAID to kill whomever they want.
It is why I refuse to give my money to or do business with known meat-eaters or anyone known to vote for republicrats & demopublicans.
It's their own damned fault.
Fact: There is no difference between a "terrorist" or violent protestor versus a soldier. Logic demands you either honor the side in any conflict/crime/war that did not initiate an injustice. Or you must honor everyone. Every "pedophile", every "criminal", every "terrorist" every violent protestor, every soldier on all sides of a war.
Hey buddy, I hope your election day plans didn't materialize for you! There is so much ignorance and so little critical thinking in the world and the US, we desperately need people like you. I don't agree with you on some things, I strongly agree with you on other things, BUT I RESPECT YOUR CRITICAL THINKING and want you and people like you in the world I live in. We can hardly afford to lose even one human being who is not intellectually lazy.
sploshcouple said: Hey buddy, I hope your election day plans didn't materialize for you!
Thank you for your support. But, it's not for lack of trying. I've tried already many times.
e.g. I NEVER drink alcohol. By "never", I mean I never drink it EXCEPT for suicide attempts. Never for myself to relax me nor at parties.
One of those most recent attempts was yesterday, with a combination of alcohol & pills. The alcohol simply made me horribly horribly dizzy. I probably drank perhap 4/3 of a cup of brandy at noon yesterday. Yet, my extreme dizziness cleared up after 6 hours in order for me to walk the 1.3 miles to my pharmacy and back last night.
I can't imagine why anyone would drink alcohol for pleasure. It TASTES horrible, and just makes one incredibly dizzy.
I mean, what a BIZARRO world, where the extremist conservative (Trump) is anti-war while the slightly less conservative (Clinton) is pro-war.
That's what the TONS & TONS of pro-Trump comments on videos for RT News youtube channels claim, & that that is the reason, THEY say, they voted for Trump.
If these anti-war voters vote for someone BECAUSE they want an anti-war president: then WHY NOT VOTE FOR JILL STEIN?
And I am not even categorically anti-war.
I am simply pro-war on issues OTHER than nationalistic ones or trying to steal another nation's oil & resources, or pro-war to protect FANATICALLY anti-gay anti-woman anti-democratic dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, who force global warming on all of us.
I am pro-war for antinatalist animal rights issues, pro-war to end factory farming, pro-war to free all prisoners, until the USA decides whether to put people in prison for the right reasons: for breeding & eating-meat & trying to force religion into our public schools, and churches given an UNDESERVED handout/welfare bailout in the form of not paying taxes.
OR, do not put ANYONE in prison at all.
I don't care what the fuck the crime is: go solve it yourself if you are one of these preachers who calls all liberals & communists & socialists "statists", THEN WHY WOULD YOU VOTE AT ALL? WHY DOES a PRESIDENT OF a nation such as the USA need to exist? If you are so anti-statist, then to you, ALL politicians - president, senator,etc - SHOULD NOT EXIST! THEIR JOBS SHOULDN'T EXIST! BECAUSE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT EXIST!
FUCK nationalism, FUCK political correctness. FUCK the status quo. FUCK religion. NOBODY is entitled to the status quo existing. NOBODY is entitled - no military, no prisons, government tax offices, - to their jobs continuing to exist. ALL these jobs can be destroyed, and most (not all) of them should be.
I hope you stop trying to kill yourself. We'll all be dead soon enough. Like I said I appreciate people who are not hypocrites. If you have a position and you defend it logically, whatever it is, I appreciate that. Of course having a position usually requires some thought, so kudos to you my friend. You should find a friend or neighbor closeby, especially a young person, and talk to them. If they see you're a critical -thinking, non-hypocrite you'll probably influence them. At least they'll have something to think about!
I must be living in opposite world. All these people who voted for Trump, voted for Trump because they think he is conservative and anti-war, and these same people hate Hillary because they think she is "liberal" and pro-war.
So, how did the liberal become pro-war & the conservative anti-war?
And, all these same Trump voters voted for GWBush because 1) they vote Republican no matter what & 2) because G W Bush is pro-war: invaded Iraq in 2003
What lunatics think that a Republican or a Democrat will EVER cause CHANGE (least of all, for the better) or is anti-establishment?
Does this STUPID inferior country just STUPIDLY BRAINLESSLY alternate every 8 years between Democrats & Republicans?
In fact, I admire the 80 million or more eligible American voters who did NOT VOTE AT ALL. THEY are the TRUE, PURIST anti-establishment types.
How can you VOTE FOR ANYBODY (even Jill Stein, even Gloria La Riva and Eugene Puryear, Socialism and Liberation Party even Monica Moorehead and Lamont Lilly, Workers World Party Alyson Kennedy and Osborne Hart, Socialist Workers Party) to hold a government job, such as President, be "anti-establishment"?
So where are all the cries NOW from extreme conservatard Republicans that THE VOTING BOOTHS ARE RIGGED! THE VOTING BOOTHS ARE RIGGED!?? Why don't I hear THAT bullshit NOW?
Stupid conservatards have ONLY themselves to blame when NOBODY takes THEIR issues seriously - including the ones I agree with them on, such as fighting immigrants who are islamofascists.
There exists no proof whatsoever that anyone has ever broken any law ever. Not Hillary Clinton. Not Bill Clinton. Not communists. Not socialists. Not animal rights activists. Not OJ Simpson. Not Timothy McVeigh. We MUST stop mixing SCIENCE - which is NOTHING more than PROVING WHAT IS - with politics: forcing laws onto people. Because THAT is what the AGW-deniers say.
Only when we have ABSOLUTE 100% PERFECT MATHEMATICAL PROOF of what is or isn't, what was or wasn't, about ALL of reality, before we act in our jobs as teachers or soldiers or cops or bomb-defusing squads or UMD moderators or judges or secretaries - only then should we not take drastic necessary action to stop burning fossil fuels and breeding & murdering animals for meat, to slow anthropogenic global warming (AGW).
The Principle of Explosion in Logic is pretty simple: those who want unjust laws should die / be imprisoned/suffer for them. Not those who want just laws, as MLK & Gandhi did, or allies fighting the Nazis in WWII. (the list goes on & on & on)