This is something a person and I were talking about in the hangout section. It started off with "what if I was a wam producer?" and progressively got more interesting. We both were in agreement that the US isn't as connected as the UK is when it comes to this fetish. Splunches, friendly stuff for people to connect. So what if the US had something like that? Then I started thinking about how I went to PA for a week long event for something a little more nerdy, but thought: what if wam had something like that?

So I pondered on that idea. And what came to mind was the thought of a week long wam event taking place at something like a rented out campground, hosting all sorts of messes. Throughout the week, there could be events. Pie throwing contests, mud runs, messy wrestling. This is the more practical and fun side of it, but of course, there should be sexy events mixed in with it. People connecting with other wam lovers, indulging in the fetish all week long. Bakers, body painters, photographers and whatnot could set up shops. Producers could also use it as an opportunity to find some new models or shoot something on site.

Considering there's over 30,000 people registered on UMD, I imagine I'm not the only one who would go to something like that. What do you think? What would you want to see or do at something like that?

I would love to go to something like this. To start off it might be good to have a one day Splosh party event. But I'm wondering if it would end up being all guys? It would be important to have a mix of men and women at an event like this.

Oh, most definitely. But using the weeklong annual event I go to in PA for example, people come from all across the country. And depending on how big or successful this could possibly be, maybe even people from neighboring countries. The ratio would probably be off for sure, but I don't expect it to be all men (though, then again I'm imagining something along the lines of over a thousand people showing up. No guarantee if there would be a turnout like that if this actually becomes a thing).

Not to be completely cynical, but....
--What you're talking about requires a massive amount of time, planning, and cash. So you either need someone with deep pockets organizing this... Or a corporate benefactor who's cool with pouring money into a niche fetish event.
--Without monetary incentive, I would suspect the ratio would skew 99% men, maybe higher.
--You probably CAN get models to attend for a large incentive. (See monetary, above.)

Five years ago, you had a few big names who might've gone for this (maybe Lenny and WAMTEC Mark together?) as they could've recouped most of the cost by recording and selling video from the event. But in the current climate, there's absolutely no guarantee of that. So again, basically you need to find a WAMmer (or three) with deep pockets and a charitable streak to make this happen.

Unfortunately, the phrase "WAMmer with deep pockets" has been an oxymoron for over 10 years.....

I agree. On paper, it sounds good. But unless properly executed, it would be the difference between a success and a disaster. Your concerns aren't without reason. The bigger part I was thinking of was the possibilities that could be done with it if money and resources weren't an issue.

But even if this were to never happen, scattering about smaller events/get togethers throughout the states would even be nice. Something like that would probably get more people into this kind of thing.

a deep pocket spread across 100's of producers might make you think that. Remember this is still a very much niche fetish, even with 30,000 people, there are many different twists on what people enjoy and are willing to pay for.

Well, a former model of mine recently shot with a different local guy who does "wrestling fetish" videos... Basically two girls in skimpy clothes doing choreographed wrestling matches. Video quality is crap, lighting and staging basically non-existent, so I assume the ONLY overhead costs are the model fees and the cost of the hotel room (where the model stays, and also where the guy shoots everything).

Anyway. This model won't shoot with me anymore because I don't pay her enough. When I asked what "wrestling guy" paid out, she told me TWO GRAND.

A bit more research: Wrestling guy doesn't pay a PENNY of that. That all comes from a single sponsor. He's already covered costs before the shoot even happens. (FYI he later sells the downloads on his website... Standard-def videos, about 15-30 minutes total, $30 and up... )

So when someone talks about WAMmers having "deep pockets," that's the bar other niche fetishes are setting. That said, I am happy to be proven wrong. If you have a custom idea for a particular model of mine, and $2K to put behind it, I guarantee there is an EXCELLENT chance I can make that happen. (Even with models that are now "retired." I'm guessing I can un-retire them for that price.)

I'm sure loads of people will queue up at their local airport for a 4+ hour flight to go get their rocks off.

That does go to show you how much people pay for this kind of stuff. And that was a single sponsor, no less.

actually 2 grand is right about the ballpark for what I would expect...how long was the video they produced? About an hour or so? Most of the fetish girls that are any good are getting $100-200/10min of video. And like you said, most fetishes don't have the overhead of WAM.

Well, she doesn't really "do" fetish. I was frankly surprised she was doing this. No nudity, the clips are about 30 min total.

Are WAM producers honestly paying that much for models?? Because talking to a variety of producers, the days of making two grand off a single video are long gone. You pay that much for a model, you're losing your ass even BEFORE supplies are factored in.

I know back in the 90s, Lenny was paying fetish models around $3K (I could be wrong)... But that was for several days of shooting, and upwards of 10 scenes or more over that period.

And again, customs pricings can have a lot of variation, but a while back someone was complaining about a model who had "failed" to deliver her custom within a reasonable period of time... And the guy had paid less than $100 for it!

I'm sorry, I just can't honestly believe anyone (producer or sponsor) is paying a model $2K for 1-3 WAM scenes. Feel free to offer evidence otherwise.

Most likely something like this would become a sausage fest. But, let's say for optimism sake ladies do show up.....with 99% guys to 1% females it will end up like the worst mating season ever.

In the UK we see those Gungee clips where girls line up to get gunged in nightclubs and dunked into huge vats of slop. There's an element of fun to that for the average person. Same with the tomato fights that have been popping up in the US to copy the event in Spain.

I wonder if Splosh parties could be introduced to adventurous couples in the same way? It plays on the feeling of liberation an adult gets by stepping outside the bounds of what is "acceptable" and going crazy for a brief amount of time.

I wish more photographers would set up "food fight" shoots, because people seem to enjoy these kinds of crazy photos.

Even if something on a large scale isn't possible, smaller stuff around the country like splunches and small wam parties should happen. I was doing this more as a "what if" scenario.

Ok so there is some merit in setting up an event that is not classified or seemed to be sponsored by the fetish. For example, in the UK recently there was a Gunge Run, similar to the tough mudder run. If you cater the interest to something general, like running then you will get a good crowd. The Gunjee clips cater to the nightclub crowd so they break out of the boundaries and go crazy (i agree with the post on that). Your not selling WAM, your selling an experience within a general interest.

I see potential in doing something along those lines.

Well, that's nuts. If I were to sponsor scenes for that much dough, I'd either insist on retaining the copyright and licensing it back to the producer, or (more likely) some arrangement whereby I recouped part of my investment if & when a certain number of videos were sold. And if no producer would agree to that, I'd just start producing myself ('cause if I had that much money to pay fetish models, I could probably afford the other stuff, too).

I've always wondered about this, though .... You have to figure there ARE some wealthy wammers out there, paying for shitloads of videos and private sessions/parties, but they're so wealthy that they don't have a financial incentive to publish any of it. JERKS.

I wish this was feasible. The only way that it would work is if it was tacked on to another convention. Fetishcon would be pretty good, and I have been pushing for a huge messy clown pie fight, so fingers crossed. And everyone knows, when there are a bunch of crazy clowns together, all bets are off...

Oh, and about the models pricing... I have heard crazy numbers for non wam models for a scene or two.

Asshats with too much money ruin everything, including wam.

That's what I thought too. FTR I wasn't probing for content... It was more a situation when I realized this model I'd shot, who did NO other fetish stuff and seemed on the prudish side, was suddenly shooting R-rated fetish material with the production values of 1980s home video. So when she mentioned "two grand," it all made sense.
Through a different source I discovered it wasn't the guy shooting ponying up the cash. Now, maybe someone got facts wrong and it's a group of guys all contributing custom money to get to that $2K... Makes more sense anyway.




I thought this too before starting SS, and that still might be happening... But I can tell you that I've never been approached by anyone willing to pay a lot of $$ for their own "private" scene. But it could've happened to someone else. Also, I've never once spotted a "celebrity" name on an order. (Granted, if I was a celeb into WAM, I doubt I'd use my own personal credit card to order.)

I did sell a Bob Dylan record to Peter Buck of R.E.M. once. Not the same thing, I know.

Travel is a major thing that would limit a lot people too. In the UK you can pretty much travel in a car from one end of the UK to another in a day, assuming you have 2 driver or a stock pile of caffeine.

In the US we're much more spread out. Remember, the entire UK is about as as big as 2-3 states. So you would have a lot more people traveling further distances. That means over nights at hotels, flights, time off work. It's not just a couple hours drive for lunch and then back home.

Sure, but my point was really that the part a true zillionaire wouldn't need is YOU. If Donald Trump were a wammer, he'd just tell one of his assistants to hire six bimbos, a catering firm to bake 1,000 pies, and a professional videographer.

The closest thing at fetishcon was the demo a few years back but that was lots of fun. i would be up for a pie fight at fetcon. do i have to be a clown though?

I agree to a point, but I still think he would do himself a favor by hiring Lenny, or Neil, or MG, or myself... We don't have Trump's resources but we DO have a lot of very random pie expertise that 99.9% of the population doesn't. I suspect a Trump WAM scene would have amazing production values and gorgeous models, but could still be a letdown for us. ("Use all lemon merengue pies! Merengue is the greatest flavor in the history of America!!")

I'm sure Donald Trump's wam scenes would suck for US, but if a rich guy has unlimited resources to indulge his fetishes, they won't suck for HIM. Unless said rich guy just doesn't have the time, in which case, yes, he'd want to contract out to a fetish producer. But, c'mon, if perving out isn't a DIY activity, what is?

PS: I can always switch back to Bea Arthur if you'd rather hear this coming from her.

Do I have a third option??

I suppose if we're carrying this analogy to its logical conclusion... Trump as a die-hard WAMmer probably DOES think about pies/slime/mud constantly, and probably already knows in his head how his "perfect" scene would go. That said, I was rewatching some of my very old clips and just cringing... Very inconsistent because I didn't really know what I was doing. So, for instance, an amazing pie hit would be followed by... A very mediocre one. Like my second attempt at sliming (SS07) is pretty good. My first attempt? (SS06) Just TERRIBLE.

I walk away from this thread for a few hours and now there is talk about Donald Trump... Okay then... ._.

Great idea but who is going to do it? I surely would like to attend, but nothing like this has been organized in the US.

Fetcon idea sounds great, is it just an idea or do we have a confirmed WAM scene during fetcon this year?

Right, but as Fitzgerald said (sorta), "The rich are different from you and me." No matter how good they get, videos are ultimately a surrogate. If you were megarich enough to hire some babes to roll around in a mudpit any time you wanted, would you even care about recording it? And if you did film it, you still wouldn't have any motive to connect with the community here.

Sorry to have hijacked this thread .... but the hurdles blocking a US wam event are insurmountable anyway, alas.

There is an option here. Pick a date, time and location and just see who shows up. If the skeptics (which I am one but may surprise myself and go against the grain on this one) decide not to show but a beautiful woman does....then you've just become the coolest and most respected dude in the community!

Yeah. Studio 588 might be a good place to meet up too. It's in a middle of nowhere, but at least there are appropriate WAM facilities, and it's run by a known entity here in the community. I've always wanted to make the trip there, but it's only worth it if there is some friends there to share the joy with.