Hmmm....I managed to find a pie scene from 1967 that Hurley missed (because it was not on any of his pie compilations, and I have them all) and no pie fan ever sent this scene to me in the last 20 years, so it seems this one eluded everyone. It was an intro skit for a 1967 episode of the variety series "Hollywood Palace". I uploaded it to my Youtube channel. Here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFNTCKV4Y_s

Now if only I could find that scene Hurley reported seeing from The Steve Allen show in the mid 60's where several folks reported they saw a pie fight with several Playboy Bunnies on his show.

MK

HA! Back in those pre-Internet days a guy like Hurley could make those calls without arousing suspicion. Nowadays someone would Google "pie in the face," find the fetish in about 5 minutes, and dismiss Hurley as a sex creep....

Anyway. Nice pickup, Mark. Reminds me of a few pie bits from the Edie Adams Show... Do you have any of those in your collection? (She was the wife of Ernie Kovacs. Her variety show only ran a year or so.)

The setup every time is that two twin blondes sing a song together before getting decked with pies from off-camera. The classic "pie blackout." The show was B&W and the bits aren't long, but sometimes the hits are excellent... I wish I knew someone with all the shows to see how often they did it. I've only found three total. (Plus one where they throw pies at Soupy Sales instead...)

FYI Edie Adams apparently got pied many times by her husband... But I've found no trace of that whatsoever online.

As a senior in this community I remember this as one of my very early pie memories. I think Milton Bearle was the guest host that night and I remember how excited it made me.

Which brings up another early memory - I thought there was one show (maybe Red Skelton) where there was a chorus line of men and women and they went down the row pieing the person to their left. Anyone else remember this?

And while we're at it, does anyone have the pieing from Laugh In where a beautiful woman is dressed as a waitress and has a series of mishaps as she goes through a swinging door and finally ends up pieing herself when the door hits her?

If it was, she was wearing a brunette wig - I think Goldie Hawn was pied separately - then again I was probably too young to tell the difference. But I definitely remember a long haired brunette getting pied.

Hi Myohpie

I dont think the redhead is abbe lane. Abbe Lane is much more sultry and better looking and I think she was on the Brady Bunch as Fifi something in the episode Mike has to build a factory like a powder puff

Lenny

nice find Mark! The ladies got clobbered the best and their reactions were more off-script, as it were. One wonders how many more 'undiscovered' clips there are out there (I know there's plenty from the old Truth or Consequences game show, and, the American version of the Anniversary Game)...as pie throwing was really big in the 60's through the 70's TV era...with game shows doing the lot of it.

Great find Mark.

Another missing clip from that era is from the Jonathan Winters Show where many people (men and women) say something mean and get clobbered with a pie. I remember seeing the scene once as a kid and couldn't believe my eyes. Hurley searched for it for years with no luck.

At one point while singing the red head glances down and to her right and its easy to imagine she is looking at the pies meant for them.

Love it

FYI I think that the 2 ladies in that pie clip were 2 of the King sisters, cos The King Family were listed in the credits of that show and the King Sisters were a family act with 6 sisters and another dozen of their relatives and husbands who appeared in their tv specials in the 1960's, so those 4 people are probably 2 of the 6 King Sisters and their husbands.

MK

Let me know what you find out... I'm always reluctant to order any VOD from Amazon, only cuz their copyright protection is impossible to crack (for me anyway). The HD vids look really good, but can ONLY be streamed to the Amazon player and are impossible to transfer.

These clips were obtained from the Historic Films site. (I actually paid for a subscription thinking I'd find lots of vintage pie clips on there... Not really.) Unfortunately, the resolution is low (360p) and they're all watermarked, so I'm reluctant to just post them publicly. But again, email me at the website and I can pass them along. They're short but good.

And of course, I would LOVE to see more clips if anyone finds others, so keep me in the loop.... I might check if any clips are streaming for free on Amazon Prime. I was actually able to review a lot of vintage Electric Company episodes that way. (Sadly, I didn't spot any lost female pie clips, but a lot of good memories!)

Also, I'm toying around with an idea in the spirit of the old "Pie Mafia" newsletter, but redesigned for the 21st century. I'm thinking of starting a side service where I upload some of my old mainstream clips to a private email group... Like a new clip uploaded once a week (or maybe more frequently) to GoogleDrive, and then the download link is ONLY sent out to those emails on the list.

With business being what it is, I have to think of new ventures! And hosting clips from licensed sources publicly is a tricky business... I guess the WAM Bank does OK with it, but the WAMTEC download store is now overseas for those who noticed. (And The Mothership doesn't allow those clips at all, for obvious reasons.) But I don't think sending a private link to 20-30 people would do any harm.

ANYWAY. It's still in the infant stage, but if you're interested, just email or PM. I'd at least like to gauge interest. And maybe these clips would be a good "test run" to see if private links via GD are feasible.

Just to clarify (cos you guys have sidetracked the conversation of this thread, which was about The Hollywood Palace show, not Edie Adams show) my comment about the King Sisters was related to the clip I posted for Hollywood Palace, and nothing to do with the Edie Adams show (which was called "Here's Edie" btw). I think the 2 ladies in the above clip may be from the vast King Family...i.e. there were 6 original sisters and many of their children and cousins also later joined in their act. It is not true for anonymous to say "they were all blondes"....see here....they had a variety of hair colors over the years...

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+king+sisters&biw=1120&bih=628&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=AcuZVY61BcGr-QGC64GYBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&dpr=1.71

The all blonde group were the King Cousins...who were all daughters of the original 6 sisters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDx52NM663I

The most famous one who had an acting career was Tina Cole (she was very cute on the "Hawaiian Eye" tv series who took over after Connie Stevens left the series).

Changing the subject...viz the "Here's Edie" tv series, there were 21 episodes made and they have now released the entire series re-mastered on a 4 disc DVD set....I have a friend who has this set and plans to trade it with me when he is done watching the episodes.

MK

FYI I did some surfing and I found that the entire 21 epsiode series of "Here's Edie" has now been loaded to the free streaming service at Hulu.com - so if you live in the USA you can watch all the complete episodes for free...streaming to your pc from here....

http://www.hulu.com/heres-edie

(sorry this site is for U.S. viewers only and is blocked outside of the USA)

Personally I hate the annoying time waiting and ads you have to sit thru with Hulu and I just do not have the time or patience to sit thru all the annoying Hulu ads on these 21 shows....so perhaps one of you pie fans will save us some time and do us all a favor and scan thru these 21 shows and then tell us which episode numbers have the pie scene running gags on them.

MK

Will do! Thanks for the tip!

FYI I've actually hunted for these clips for a while but always using "The Edie Adams Show." No idea I should've been searching under a different name...

The Soupy Sales one does NOT have the blondes getting pied. You'd think that... But instead they "flip" the gag and throw pies at him. :-S

I checked some of these Edie Adams Hulu shows at random in the last hour....and I picked the last episode (#23) first...cos that is one with Soupy Sales on her show...and I could not find any pie scenes in that episode...which would be the most logical place to look cos Soupy Sales was a pie legend.

I checked some of the earlier show intro titles and oddly some of the earlies shows have the title "The Edie Adams Show" while the later shows are titled "Here's Edie"...so it seems they changed the title later in the series.

But from the quick scanning I made of several episodes...I could not find nuttin' wam related so far....but I gave up cos the horrid ad system will not let you fast forward thru the episodes....so perhaps you will have better luck finding something....

MK

Here's a Hulu tip (this works on my iPad at least): Let the 30-second ad run at the beginning. (I had something to read in the interim.) Then pause the episode, and immediately scroll... You can see thumbnails of the scenes, and if you're careful you'll catch everything. The ads don't start again until you "stop" on a spot to play... So if an episode is worthless, you just back up and start again.

ANYWAY. Disappointing news in that the only pie scenes I found were the ones I already had. I started at the end like you did, Mark, and they were all clustered in a row which worried me... Sure enough, as I went backwards, the format changed and the comedy bits basically disappeared. By the last 5 episodes I was just doing a perfunctory check to confirm there was nothing there.

So, for those who care:
Episode 19, 16 min
Episode 18, 23 min
Episode 17, 24 min

I assume if the show had kept going, we might've had more comedy bits, pie bits, and other skits? Who knows. Episode 20 didn't have the quick comedy bits, so I guess they were still tweaking the formula. And there SHOULD be a scene where Soupy gets pied by the twins in Episode 21... Would Hulu have cut it for space? It doesn't really matter to us, and anyone who desperately wants to see Soupy Sales get pied has (literally) 1000 other clips to choose from...

Streaming is a special kind of hell, isn't it? And Hulu is the absolute worst.

It depends. Netflix is finicky (although that might just be my portal) but once it gets going, the experience is very user-friendly. I've definitely stayed up late WAY too many nights binging Daredevil... or OITNB... or the new Nina Simone documentary. And HBO Go works well too, possibly better than Netflix.

Hulu, though... Do they REALLY expect people to pay $8 a month for unskippable ads every 5 minutes? Especially when most of their content is easily available elsewhere? If I was paying $0 for the service, ads would be a necessary evil, but for a pay subscription..... :-S

Sounds like a scene from the Carrol Burnet show. Lousy pies with no stickiness, as I recall.

What I hate about Hulu....is that they want you to subscribe for their premium service, but their premium service sucks cos you still have to sit thru all the ads even if you buy a premium membership. If their premium membership were ad-free like Netflix and Amazon Instant video is...it would be worth subscribing to...but Hulu still forces you to sit thru their ads even when you buy a premium membership.....and that is the WORST experience you can offer.

The very WORST experience on Hulu happened last year when they were running these constant anti-smoking ads every 5 minutes....showing you pictures and videos of people's faces that had been destroyed due to smoking and cancer....thank you very much....you just destroyed my viewing experience cos I cannot enjoy my entertainment when you put pics of dying cancer victims in my face every 5 minutes.

Tks for the research Rich....I am not disappointed there is nothing more to find...cos to me this is all a "bucket list" and things to cross off my list before I die....and so we can cross this off our lists now and carry on searching for things we know do exist somewhere but have yet to be found ...e.g. the long lost Esther Muir slapstick scene from the Marx Brothers "A Day At the Races" where we only have still photos and the film footage is missing. BTW I was watching an interesting documentary on the Marx Brothers last week where Harpo's daughter mentioned that in their stage shows Groucho used to cover Margaret Dumont in whitewash and wallpaper her into the wall 5 nights a week in their stage show, but that never happened in their theatrical films.

MK

ps...one overlooked and seldom mentioned Edie Adams scene was her messy paint scene with Sid Caeser in "It's a Mad Mad Mad World". The film is so commmonly shown that I have never bothered to save that scene...but now it is out on Blu-Ray I will probably track down a BluRay or HD download of that scene now and add it for posterity.

Yup. I find it's both disappointing and satisfying... I was always hoping there were other scenes out there from this show, but at least now I know there aren't.

FYI you can stream these episodes without signing up for Hulu, and honestly for the same amount of ads. I just did a video capture of the relevant moments... I might upload that soon. Streaming in general tends to lose frames, but it's still an improvement over my previous version (better quality & resolution + no watermark).

I would assume the DVDs would offer the highest quality when you get those, Mark.

So speaking of Edie Adams... Am I mistaken that her various pieings on her husband's show are lost to the ages? AKA most Kovacs shows weren't preserved and the tapes are destroyed/unavailable now? Only because I can't find any evidence online. There's a few "pie blackouts" with females that have surfaced over the years, and I think those are all on the DVD compilations now. Edie's not one of them. But according to interviews, she certainly took her share of pies over the run of episodes....

Rich,

I can't help with 50's and 60's era shows that aired in the USA because I did not arrive in the USA and become a resident until 1979. In the late 50's and early sixties I was just out of diapers and attending infant school in the UK, so I never saw any shows in the USA before 1979. So I can only go by whatever info Hurley and his Pie Mafia passed along to me as tips. I don't know what pie scenes Edie Adams may or may not have done on the Ernie Kovacs show. All I know can be found in this wiki article....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Kovacs#Lost_and_surviving_work

Which says that Shout Factory have released most of the surviving episodes, and whatever other surviving episode may exist and have not been released, those are all held by UCLA Film and Television Archives and the Paley Center Archives.

Right now, we are awaiting for Lobster video to release their restoration of the recently found 2nd reel of "Battle of the Century"....because all versions of that pie scene we have seen in the last 90 years came from Robert Youngson's abbreviated cuts of the film, and Youngson only used 300ft of that film and now there is another 700ft of film that Youngson discarded, so we may see a lot more unused footage from that pie scene when it get's fully restored. But we may have to wait awhile, cos Lobster only own the rights to show the film in theaters in France, and they have not yet secured the rights to release it on DVD or release it outside of France.

MK

Mark, how old do you think I am???
I'm not sure Edie Adams and I were even alive at the same time.... Anyway, I have a few fond (if distorted) memories of pie scene I caught as a little kid in the '70s, but even more than you I had NO way of recording them or tracking them down back then.
Some have since appeared (a few Electric Company clips, Donny & Marie, etc) and many more I'm still waiting to surface (the Sesame Street "Surprise" clip for one). My hazy recollection is there were a LOT of pies being thrown around on network TV, especially considering my prime-time viewing consisted entirely of what my parents or relatives had playing on the TV in the background....

Nope, it seems like very few people were actually recording EC back then. One YT user was posting regular clips and I finally spotted "Spidey Meets The Sack" (great in my memory, lousy in reality)... But I guess copyrights or whatever made him stop.

Noggin had an opportunity to broadcast everything but they only went with a handful of episodes to reair. Then the DVD sets were good but haphazard in selection, and I doubt we're getting any more. And finally, Amazon added episodes not found on the box sets, but none of those scenes were there. There's just too many episodes and clips aren't "unique" to any particular one, so it's a total crapshoot if or when a lost clip surfaces.

Sesame Street is even worse. I only have "Three Pies On The Wall" because the official channel uploaded it. (And that audio alone... Priceless!) We're lucky someone recorded the "Linda gets pied" sign language clips, but I swear there's a LOT more pie clips from the '70s that are probably lost to the ages.

I am not sure, but I might have that Rita Moreno Electric Company scene...I know I have several Rita pie scenes from that series....this is what I have...

MK112 ELECTRIC COMPANY 1976 USA LADY IN FLOWERY DRESS GETS BUCKETS OF
WATER
MK155 ELECTRIC COMPANY 1979 USA STOCKARD STOCKARD AND ANOTHER LADY SOAKED WITH
CHANNING WATER
MK171 ELECTRIC COMPANY 1972 USA JUDY GRAUBERT JUDY GETS SOAKED WITH A WATERING CAN
OVER HER HEAD
3720 ELECTRIC COMPANY 1972 USA THE CLASSIC "CREAM PIE MANIAC" SCENE
4401 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1979 USA - THE PIE MANIAC STRIKES IN THIS SCENE
4401 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1978 USA RITA MORENO RITA HITS HERSELF WITH A PIE
4401 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1978 USA JUDY GRAUBERT JUDY GETS A PIE WITH MECHANICAL CLOWN
4401 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1979 USA BETTY JEAN BETTY JEAN GETS SEVERAL PIES WHILE
PROMOTING A CAR
4401 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1978 USA JUDY GRAUBERT JUDY GETS A PIE IN THE "NASTY" SKETCH
3717 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1977 USA JUDY GRAUBERT JUDY PIE'D AGAIN...AS "MEAN BETTY JEAN"
3717 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1974 USA JUDY GRAUBERT JUDY GETS PIE'D TWICE, WHILE AT THE
CIRCUS
3717 ELECTRIC COMPANY, THE 1977 USA JUDY GRAUBERT JUDY'S OTHER PIE SCENES

This is a real needle in a haystack though...cos there were 780 episodes made in that series and only a small handful have been released on DVD and only a handful are currently playing on Hulu.com - so who knows what we may have missed.

MK

Mark, I could be wrong, but I think the non-MK tapes were both Hurley ones? Regardless, I think I had both of those at some point... The "Cream Pie Maniac" scene is quite good and inspired a LOT of bad SlapstickStuff skits. (You have it listed twice but there's only one version.) The "Mean Betty Jean" one is a fun concept but poor execution. (Again, just one version.) Rita pieing herself is good but very short.
Judy getting 2 pies from a mechanical clown was one of my favorites as a kid (it hypes the word "IF") so I enjoyed seeing that scene finally... An official version would be nice as the quality could be better AND there's a cut in the scene.

I know the Rita "Oops" scene hasn't surfaced. It's even harder to find because the version I saw as a kid was cut... The "original" version runs longer and gets Rita even messier. And the "Pie In The Face" gameshow is the one where cast members stick their heads through holes in the wall (I think)... I've never seen that one, only heard about it.

The water scenes on EC never impressed me as a kid. There was a GREAT soaking of Linda on Sesame Street though... I think it might be on one of your cliptapes actually? Pretty sure that's how I saw it again.

Rich,

Only the 37 series came from Hurley. The 44 series clips all came from a guy who, as I recall, used the nickname "Stan N Ollie" who also knew Hurley very well and was a member of Hurley's original pie mafia circle of pie fans. The numerical prefix I used for my database are actually the wamtec member numbers of the people I first met when I started wamtec in 1992....so the lower the number is, tells me how early I first met that wam fan....e.g. Rob Blaine was wamtec member #1 in my records, Roger Carpenter of Aquantics UK was wamtec member #5, pie fan JR from Toronto was #7, Mud Moxie was #13, pie fan Bob S was #22, Lenny was #28, pie fan Steve H was #32 etc...you were contact #337 in my system....so this gives me an interesting piece of nostaligia cos it shows me that the very first pie clip collector I met who traded tapes was not Hurley nor Lenny, and it was Jay Richardson from Toronto (not his real name, just his pen name).

MK

I saw the original 'Oops' sketch from Electric Co when I was a kid and found it very exciting. They must have paired the scene down shortly after because the next time I saw it, I was still in junior high(1975-76) and the messiest stuff was already cut.

Mark...

Thank you...this is pretty freakin' cool.

Robby
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