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"Truth from Ukraine"
Still getting your news from the end of a remote control?
The American Government sure hopes so!
I appreciate that this is not the most observed venue for this type of information but in an effort to educate as many as possible to the lies that are being presented as truth here in the west, a small piece of truth...
Contrary to the Main Stream News BS about how Poroshenko's troops are claiming victory at the Airport, the following report shows how absolutely fresh green recruits were falsely sent in on a mission to "collect the injured" and ended up "as" the front lines. These "Cannon Fodder" troops were also used as a photo op, where pictures were taken to show them in the vicinity of the Airport for use in the Western Press.
Suffice to say, they got their butts kicked.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-kiev-lies-to-its-own-troops-sends-them-to-be-slaughtered-novorossiya-clearly-winning/5426286
It would be mild to say that the Western Press is in bed with Obama, Poroshenko and their Nazi cohorts in their efforts to obliterate the Novorossiyans and if you have any doubts left at all about that then please consider the following:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-propaganda-and-media-manipulation/23868
and for more truth on the genocide being driven by the Obama Administration, please see the following:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/indepthreport/ukraine-report
http://www.globalresearch.org
The American Government sure hopes so!
I appreciate that this is not the most observed venue for this type of information but in an effort to educate as many as possible to the lies that are being presented as truth here in the west, a small piece of truth...
Contrary to the Main Stream News BS about how Poroshenko's troops are claiming victory at the Airport, the following report shows how absolutely fresh green recruits were falsely sent in on a mission to "collect the injured" and ended up "as" the front lines. These "Cannon Fodder" troops were also used as a photo op, where pictures were taken to show them in the vicinity of the Airport for use in the Western Press.
Suffice to say, they got their butts kicked.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-kiev-lies-to-its-own-troops-sends-them-to-be-slaughtered-novorossiya-clearly-winning/5426286
It would be mild to say that the Western Press is in bed with Obama, Poroshenko and their Nazi cohorts in their efforts to obliterate the Novorossiyans and if you have any doubts left at all about that then please consider the following:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-propaganda-and-media-manipulation/23868
and for more truth on the genocide being driven by the Obama Administration, please see the following:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/indepthreport/ukraine-report
http://www.globalresearch.org
Oh, bullshit, already.
I've known "Professor" Chossudovsky (The owner/operator of GR) since the early 90s, and IMO - which is not an uncommon opinion at all- he's never been anything more than an utter crackpot obsessed with the restoration of the Soviet empire, and the downfall of the western world as a whole.
His father before him was another boot-licking Party shill with close ties to the Secret Police, and the acorn has fallen pretty close to tree, by the look of it. He's got close ties to Putin's personal pet propaganda project Russia Today (He's a regular columnist, for God's sake!), and is nothing but another lying sack of shit dancing to the tune played by that ex-KGB torturer and his entouage of billionaire theives. Posting de-stabilizing, West-hating bullshit is his job now. 24-7.
I don't usually care what people think of that idiot Ron Paul, or how much of your savings you want to piss away on propping up Alex Jone's under-the-radar kickbacks for shilling shaky investments in Gold and gourmet prepper rations, but for frig's sake, already, open your goddamn eyes. Getting mid-life, disenfranchised males jaded with the system to become sympathizers is one of the oldest plays in the book of this little Psy Op chess game, and you, buddy-boy, have fallen hook, line, and sinker.
Smarten the hell up, already; It's wall-to-wall bullshit online.
I've known "Professor" Chossudovsky (The owner/operator of GR) since the early 90s, and IMO - which is not an uncommon opinion at all- he's never been anything more than an utter crackpot obsessed with the restoration of the Soviet empire, and the downfall of the western world as a whole.
His father before him was another boot-licking Party shill with close ties to the Secret Police, and the acorn has fallen pretty close to tree, by the look of it. He's got close ties to Putin's personal pet propaganda project Russia Today (He's a regular columnist, for God's sake!), and is nothing but another lying sack of shit dancing to the tune played by that ex-KGB torturer and his entouage of billionaire theives. Posting de-stabilizing, West-hating bullshit is his job now. 24-7.
I don't usually care what people think of that idiot Ron Paul, or how much of your savings you want to piss away on propping up Alex Jone's under-the-radar kickbacks for shilling shaky investments in Gold and gourmet prepper rations, but for frig's sake, already, open your goddamn eyes. Getting mid-life, disenfranchised males jaded with the system to become sympathizers is one of the oldest plays in the book of this little Psy Op chess game, and you, buddy-boy, have fallen hook, line, and sinker.
Smarten the hell up, already; It's wall-to-wall bullshit online.
Interesting retort.
I posted reference to an article written by Harrison Koehli depicting videos of soldiers in the war theater and a news briefing from the Novorossiyan forces and of captured Ukrainian soldiers with their own commentary, and you attack the Founder/Editor of the website which republished it. Curious that you'd miss such important points in your response, not unlike a donkey with blinders on.
You then go on to attack the editor's father, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, belief in Gold as a currency and me. The irrelevance of these statements in respect to the subject presented is astounding and unfortunately for you, betrays your ignorant fears.
But why stop there? If you really want to lump all like minds who believe there should be a little less Russia bashing promoted by the American Government and it's press then you should by definition at least include some of the more vocal voices opposed, namely Chris Martenson, Dr. Paul Graig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Miitary Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.), Thomas Drake, former Defense Intelligence Senior Executive Service, NSA, Larry Johnson, former CIA and Department of State, David MacMichael, former Senior Estimates Officer, National Intelligence Council, Ray McGovern, former chief of CIAs Soviet Foreign Policy Branch & presidential briefer (ret.), Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer of the Near East, National Intelligence Council (ret.), Todd E. Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General Corps (ret.), Coleen Rowley, former Chief Division Counsel & FBI Special Agent (ret.), Peter Van Buren, former Foreign Service Officer, Department of State (ret.). And these are but a few in an enormously long and respectable list of persons who don't buy into the crap you're trying to peddle.
Likewise you make reference to Putin as a "torturer" which I find particularly myopic considering the recent release of the Senate Intelligence Committees executive summary on the torture conducted by the American Government on innocent people with the knowledge and acceptance of the former President and Vice President of the United States. There was in fact an editorial published in the New York Times calling for an investigation into these crimes. By your logic though we should look to the founders of that publication for their sympathies and family tree, not the information provided within. Obama would be happy. You gobble up the American shit with both hands.
In review of your response it's actually difficult to understand exactly what you're referring to as "bullshit". The Ukrainian war? The overstated rhetoric of the Ukrainian Government's forces sweeping the western press? Anything that is published on Global Research? Or anything published on the Internet? Or perhaps you are just swept up and blinded by the arrogant anti-Russian, American "exceptionalism" spewed forth by the American Government like a good little serf, and chose this opportunity to make a fool of yourself?
To clarify, and it would seem that's necessary, the subject presented was actually about the Ukrainian Government's false statements regarding their failing role in the War and the support they receive from the American Press, but you've completely avoided or missed that point, along with the fact that Ukraine is not part of Russia, at the moment. It would seem that your response was in itself an effort to post more de-stabilizing, East-hating bullshit. Something that would seem to already be getting way to much exposure.
And not that it matters in reference to the original post but Global Research is an internationally acclaimed website with multiple awards and has posted tens of thousands of articles from some 8000 writers on numerous subjects that have nothing to do with "the restoration of the Soviet Empire" - nor did the posting. It is also republished in French, with selected articles published in six additional languages, has a radio broadcast featured by seven radio stations and is ranked among the top 10000 most popular websites Worldwide.
I posted reference to an article written by Harrison Koehli depicting videos of soldiers in the war theater and a news briefing from the Novorossiyan forces and of captured Ukrainian soldiers with their own commentary, and you attack the Founder/Editor of the website which republished it. Curious that you'd miss such important points in your response, not unlike a donkey with blinders on.
You then go on to attack the editor's father, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, belief in Gold as a currency and me. The irrelevance of these statements in respect to the subject presented is astounding and unfortunately for you, betrays your ignorant fears.
But why stop there? If you really want to lump all like minds who believe there should be a little less Russia bashing promoted by the American Government and it's press then you should by definition at least include some of the more vocal voices opposed, namely Chris Martenson, Dr. Paul Graig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Miitary Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.), Thomas Drake, former Defense Intelligence Senior Executive Service, NSA, Larry Johnson, former CIA and Department of State, David MacMichael, former Senior Estimates Officer, National Intelligence Council, Ray McGovern, former chief of CIAs Soviet Foreign Policy Branch & presidential briefer (ret.), Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer of the Near East, National Intelligence Council (ret.), Todd E. Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General Corps (ret.), Coleen Rowley, former Chief Division Counsel & FBI Special Agent (ret.), Peter Van Buren, former Foreign Service Officer, Department of State (ret.). And these are but a few in an enormously long and respectable list of persons who don't buy into the crap you're trying to peddle.
Likewise you make reference to Putin as a "torturer" which I find particularly myopic considering the recent release of the Senate Intelligence Committees executive summary on the torture conducted by the American Government on innocent people with the knowledge and acceptance of the former President and Vice President of the United States. There was in fact an editorial published in the New York Times calling for an investigation into these crimes. By your logic though we should look to the founders of that publication for their sympathies and family tree, not the information provided within. Obama would be happy. You gobble up the American shit with both hands.
In review of your response it's actually difficult to understand exactly what you're referring to as "bullshit". The Ukrainian war? The overstated rhetoric of the Ukrainian Government's forces sweeping the western press? Anything that is published on Global Research? Or anything published on the Internet? Or perhaps you are just swept up and blinded by the arrogant anti-Russian, American "exceptionalism" spewed forth by the American Government like a good little serf, and chose this opportunity to make a fool of yourself?
To clarify, and it would seem that's necessary, the subject presented was actually about the Ukrainian Government's false statements regarding their failing role in the War and the support they receive from the American Press, but you've completely avoided or missed that point, along with the fact that Ukraine is not part of Russia, at the moment. It would seem that your response was in itself an effort to post more de-stabilizing, East-hating bullshit. Something that would seem to already be getting way to much exposure.
And not that it matters in reference to the original post but Global Research is an internationally acclaimed website with multiple awards and has posted tens of thousands of articles from some 8000 writers on numerous subjects that have nothing to do with "the restoration of the Soviet Empire" - nor did the posting. It is also republished in French, with selected articles published in six additional languages, has a radio broadcast featured by seven radio stations and is ranked among the top 10000 most popular websites Worldwide.
GlobalRearch.org
LOL!
You should just jump to Infowars.com - it's where I get my news!
Actually, I didn't read much of that. I have an aversion to people that post as if they are the only person in the world that knows what's going on and use the words "truth", "lies" and "Mainstream Media" then proceeds inflict Godwins Law into their own thread post...
Black and white thinking and a complete lack nuance makes Alex Jones' boat payments.
LOL!
You should just jump to Infowars.com - it's where I get my news!
Actually, I didn't read much of that. I have an aversion to people that post as if they are the only person in the world that knows what's going on and use the words "truth", "lies" and "Mainstream Media" then proceeds inflict Godwins Law into their own thread post...
Black and white thinking and a complete lack nuance makes Alex Jones' boat payments.
Your reference to Godwin's Law incorrectly suggests a "comparison" to Nazi's, where as I was referring to actual Nazi's within the Ukrainian government, a well documented fact.
Likewise grouping "truth", "lies" and "Mainstream Media" together as the basis for an opposing argument is tantamount to burying your head, but feel free.
"Actually, I didn't read much of that"
That my friend, is apparent.
Likewise grouping "truth", "lies" and "Mainstream Media" together as the basis for an opposing argument is tantamount to burying your head, but feel free.
"Actually, I didn't read much of that"
That my friend, is apparent.
wamfgcom said:
Likewise grouping "truth", "lies" and "Mainstream Media" together as the basis for an opposing argument is tantamount to burying your head, but feel free.
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Likewise grouping "truth", "lies" and "Mainstream Media" together as the basis for an opposing argument is tantamount to burying your head, but feel free.
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It's not burying my head in the sand, it's having enough experience to recognize those as red flags for someone who is only ever going to give some crazy nonsense conspiracy theory... and a link to Infowars isn't far away.
It's awesome you care about things on a global scale, but you may want to loosen up that tinfoil hat a little.
This is just all too typical.
I post reference to 3 videos including a News Briefing by the Commander of the Novorossiyan Forces to point out that their position in the War Theater is much different than what was widely being published.
A respondent, incorrectly and without any proof, associates this with Russian aggression, torture, Ron Paul, Alex Jones and any belief in Gold as a currency.
He then goes on to demonize those associations.
A second respondent stating that he actually "didn't read much of that" attacks the wording of my post and again associates it all with Alex Jones.
When I clarify his misunderstanding of the meaning of the words used to describe the Ukrainian Government, he retorts with a polite suggestion to "loosen up that tinfoil hat".
Too typical, associate and demonize.
Oh, and avoid any mention of the original subject.
Governments and News Associations have been doing this for so long, people now do if for themselves.
It is therefore not too surprising to understand how the planners of ObamaCare were able to factor in the "stupidity" of the public in their calculations to pass that bill.
http://nypost.com/2014/11/13/obamacare-architect-catches-heat-for-calling-voters-stupid/
And although I would be happy to further the discussion about the Ukrainian War, it's players, victims, motivations and instigators, I can see that is not possible here.
Keep taking the blue pill, you'll be happier I'm sure.
I post reference to 3 videos including a News Briefing by the Commander of the Novorossiyan Forces to point out that their position in the War Theater is much different than what was widely being published.
A respondent, incorrectly and without any proof, associates this with Russian aggression, torture, Ron Paul, Alex Jones and any belief in Gold as a currency.
He then goes on to demonize those associations.
A second respondent stating that he actually "didn't read much of that" attacks the wording of my post and again associates it all with Alex Jones.
When I clarify his misunderstanding of the meaning of the words used to describe the Ukrainian Government, he retorts with a polite suggestion to "loosen up that tinfoil hat".
Too typical, associate and demonize.
Oh, and avoid any mention of the original subject.
Governments and News Associations have been doing this for so long, people now do if for themselves.
It is therefore not too surprising to understand how the planners of ObamaCare were able to factor in the "stupidity" of the public in their calculations to pass that bill.
http://nypost.com/2014/11/13/obamacare-architect-catches-heat-for-calling-voters-stupid/
And although I would be happy to further the discussion about the Ukrainian War, it's players, victims, motivations and instigators, I can see that is not possible here.
Keep taking the blue pill, you'll be happier I'm sure.
wamfgcom said:
It is therefore not too surprising to understand how the planners of ObamaCare were able to factor in the "stupidity" of the public in their calculations to pass that bill.
It is therefore not too surprising to understand how the planners of ObamaCare were able to factor in the "stupidity" of the public in their calculations to pass that bill.
Awwww! You were putting up such a good little argument right until you went there. It's always the next step isn't? It's the voters taking the blue pill and you're oh so fucking up to date fully plugged into the matrix understanding everything and anyone that doesn't see things your way is stupid.
So, let's clarify something here. First, I'm not American. Thought I would drop that bomb on you as you want to use Obamacare. I didn't fucking vote here because I couldn't fucking vote here.
Would I have voted for him? Who gives a fuck, it's fucking irrelevant to this bullshit little thread.
But yeah, call me stupid because I don't agree with the bullshit you spout.
Then please, patronize me with the assumption I get my news from the end of a remote control! Please, educate me to the lies that are being presented as truth here in the west!
Crank up that rhetoric, because patronizing people and calling them stupid really does work!
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wamfgcom said:
It is therefore not too surprising to understand how the planners of ObamaCare were able to factor in the "stupidity" of the public in their calculations to pass that bill.
It is therefore not too surprising to understand how the planners of ObamaCare were able to factor in the "stupidity" of the public in their calculations to pass that bill.
Awwww! You were putting up such a good little argument right until you went there. It's always the next step isn't? It's the voters taking the blue pill and you're oh so fucking up to date fully plugged into the matrix understanding everything and anyone that doesn't see things your way is stupid.
So, let's clarify something here. First, I'm not American. Thought I would drop that bomb on you as you want to use Obamacare. I didn't fucking vote here because I couldn't fucking vote here.
Would I have voted for him? Who gives a fuck, it's fucking irrelevant to this bullshit little thread.
But yeah, call me stupid because I don't agree with the bullshit you spout.
Then please, patronize me with the assumption I get my news from the end of a remote control! Please, educate me to the lies that are being presented as truth here in the west!
Crank up that rhetoric, because patronizing people and calling them stupid really does work!
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The humorous thing about this is, I was putting up no "argument" at all.
My previous post was an attempt to show how ignorant the respondents had been in their personal attacks. That you thought I was doing a good job with that till referencing an additional article you could single out, says something, does it not?
Having been around this board for over a decade I am well aware of your nationality Noise and how you moved to California from G.B. Let's face it, like me, you can be a bit chatty. Likewise the original responder isn't American either to my knowledge (Halifax I believe) and I was aware of that prior to my recent post too, so gee, I guess I wasn't calling "you" stupid, specifically, with that comment.
My sympathies though, your "bombs" would seem to be impotent.
In fact it was a Government planner who referred to the American Voter as sufficiently stupid to factor that in to his equation. And in truth I was using it as reference to any voter base and specifically avoided the "American" handle. Trust me in that I think no more highly of Canadian, Australian or English voters in mass, or many others, where in lies part of our global problem.
Another part of the problem is that you "now" choose that as your focus in what could have been an informative thread regarding the Ukrainian situation.
And frankly I don't give a shit who you vote for in any country, even if you could vote.
What you seem to miss, or avoid in all of the above is that this thread is a perfect example of the deterioration in Geopolitical theaters, namely distraction, association and demonizing with the help of the press. With that front running force how could any but the most analytical and informed make any prudent choices.
As I attempted to focus you and the other poster's responses to the information presented you prefer to continue with the "bashing". OK I used reference to the Nazis within the Ukrainian Government, prove me wrong. I used reference to an apparent lack of factual evidence or commentary from the Western Press, prove me wrong. And yes I used a documented reference showing the lack of regard many lawmakers have for their constituents as an example of the impotency of the voting base. Again Sir, prove me wrong in those references.
As you can see I wasn't calling you stupid and more to the point you've not even mentioned the "bullshit I spout". You and the other responder have mentioned Infowars, Alex Jones, making his boat payments, Ron Paul, the Expansion of the Russian Empire, Torture, Tin Foil Hats, singled out well known expressions etc. but have yet to even read, by your own statement, what I actually posted. Which frankly makes all these comments and any further exchange with you, a complete waste of time. Ergo, it would seem, that it is you who is "fucking irrelevant to this bullshit little thread".
"Still getting your news from the end of a remote control?" Was a question, see the curvy thing at the end? How is that patronizing. In fact it presupposes that if you don't solely get your news through cable news shows then the balance of the posting is perhaps not news to you at all. Funny how you'd see that as relevant within the context of this thread, but still, it's hardly patronizing.
OK the "curvy thing" comment is patronizing but you deserve that much at least.
That unfortunately, was exactly what I was attempting to do, but you couldn't be bothered to read the article or apparently, even watch the videos. Your interest in this thread was and is solely to attack me and the wording which I have used in an attempt to fend off the personal attacks and get this thread back on to the original subject.
As noted previously,
"although I would be happy to further the discussion about the Ukrainian War, it's players, victims, motivations and instigators, I can see that is not possible here."
This is now, even more apparent.
As I mentioned I've been around this board for some time and understand that you Noise, like to have the last word. At this time I'm happy to accommodate as it's apparent we're getting no where (see above quote). I presented a topic about the Ukrainian situation and you want to pick apart my words, associate me with Tin Foil hat wearers and bash, and although I'm not in the least bit surprised, I am getting tired of it.
Congratulations Noise, you've won this "argument" (LOL) as well, and as usual without producing even one relevant statement or fact.
You have indeed lived up to your namesake...
Quoting Wikipedia: Noise
My previous post was an attempt to show how ignorant the respondents had been in their personal attacks. That you thought I was doing a good job with that till referencing an additional article you could single out, says something, does it not?
Having been around this board for over a decade I am well aware of your nationality Noise and how you moved to California from G.B. Let's face it, like me, you can be a bit chatty. Likewise the original responder isn't American either to my knowledge (Halifax I believe) and I was aware of that prior to my recent post too, so gee, I guess I wasn't calling "you" stupid, specifically, with that comment.
My sympathies though, your "bombs" would seem to be impotent.
In fact it was a Government planner who referred to the American Voter as sufficiently stupid to factor that in to his equation. And in truth I was using it as reference to any voter base and specifically avoided the "American" handle. Trust me in that I think no more highly of Canadian, Australian or English voters in mass, or many others, where in lies part of our global problem.
Another part of the problem is that you "now" choose that as your focus in what could have been an informative thread regarding the Ukrainian situation.
And frankly I don't give a shit who you vote for in any country, even if you could vote.
What you seem to miss, or avoid in all of the above is that this thread is a perfect example of the deterioration in Geopolitical theaters, namely distraction, association and demonizing with the help of the press. With that front running force how could any but the most analytical and informed make any prudent choices.
As I attempted to focus you and the other poster's responses to the information presented you prefer to continue with the "bashing". OK I used reference to the Nazis within the Ukrainian Government, prove me wrong. I used reference to an apparent lack of factual evidence or commentary from the Western Press, prove me wrong. And yes I used a documented reference showing the lack of regard many lawmakers have for their constituents as an example of the impotency of the voting base. Again Sir, prove me wrong in those references.
"But yeah, call me stupid because I don't agree with the bullshit you spout."
As you can see I wasn't calling you stupid and more to the point you've not even mentioned the "bullshit I spout". You and the other responder have mentioned Infowars, Alex Jones, making his boat payments, Ron Paul, the Expansion of the Russian Empire, Torture, Tin Foil Hats, singled out well known expressions etc. but have yet to even read, by your own statement, what I actually posted. Which frankly makes all these comments and any further exchange with you, a complete waste of time. Ergo, it would seem, that it is you who is "fucking irrelevant to this bullshit little thread".
"Then please, patronize me with the assumption I get my news from the end of a remote control!"
"Still getting your news from the end of a remote control?" Was a question, see the curvy thing at the end? How is that patronizing. In fact it presupposes that if you don't solely get your news through cable news shows then the balance of the posting is perhaps not news to you at all. Funny how you'd see that as relevant within the context of this thread, but still, it's hardly patronizing.
OK the "curvy thing" comment is patronizing but you deserve that much at least.
"Please, educate me to the lies that are being presented as truth here in the west!"
That unfortunately, was exactly what I was attempting to do, but you couldn't be bothered to read the article or apparently, even watch the videos. Your interest in this thread was and is solely to attack me and the wording which I have used in an attempt to fend off the personal attacks and get this thread back on to the original subject.
As noted previously,
"although I would be happy to further the discussion about the Ukrainian War, it's players, victims, motivations and instigators, I can see that is not possible here."
This is now, even more apparent.
As I mentioned I've been around this board for some time and understand that you Noise, like to have the last word. At this time I'm happy to accommodate as it's apparent we're getting no where (see above quote). I presented a topic about the Ukrainian situation and you want to pick apart my words, associate me with Tin Foil hat wearers and bash, and although I'm not in the least bit surprised, I am getting tired of it.
Congratulations Noise, you've won this "argument" (LOL) as well, and as usual without producing even one relevant statement or fact.
You have indeed lived up to your namesake...
Quoting Wikipedia: Noise
Sounds, particularly loud ones, that disturb people or make it difficult to hear wanted sounds, are noise.
