Well said! Agreed.

And, I most often DISAGREE with most things conspiracy theorists say,
which would take too much space to explain my disagreements with them.

NEVERTHELESS, I damn well admire their courage and damn well
would be honored to die for their freedom of speech.

Of course, I NEVER believe *I* or anyone who supports free speech should
die or be imprisoned. One should ALWAYS FORCE / make one's enemies -
those individuals in government or not in government - to die & suffer
for censorship.

Those who want unjust laws (injustice) should be forced to die, be imprisoned, suffer
for their stupid cause. Never those who want fair laws or justice.
That's why I am disgusted by thought of "nonviolent civil disobedience".

This woman (Alexandra Paul) has got ovaries/balls, too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxctzyNxC0

And once again we have the usual strawman fantasy idealistic world where all conflict in the world is just abstract disagreements, as if one side doesn't usually get their way more than the other in reality, as if no real actions ever occur.

So, according to you then, all US soldiers fighting ISIS are killing ISIS soldiers (and ISIS soldiers killing US soldiers) just because each side merely disagrees with the other. Yet, killing is one of the strictest forms of censorship.

Every WAM producer who tries to shut down a YouTube for posting videos is doing it just because the WAM producer disagrees with the YouTuber, where the YouTuber believes they have the legal right on their own channel to upload any videos -
whether the WAM producer made them or not. And the YouTuber countersues or counter-whatever: both sides are just disagreeing with each other but try to shut the other side down.

That's fine if you want to think that way.
But, know this: logic demands that your way of thinking APPLY TO ABSOLUTE EVERYTHING. You don't get to arbitrarily cherrypick.

Also, I support prisoners voting. :thumbsupo you, MessyDare Girl?

In fact, I proudly wear a button that says:
BOMB ALL PRISONS, FREE ALL PRISONERS

That's about as free speech as it gets.

And another courageous leader/patriot/freedom fighter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3VXmav0rk

So that the previous message does not confuse or isolate ISIS as the sole "source" of the problems in the Middle East it should be clarified that ISIS has been funded, trained and used as the CIA's proxy force... for the good ol U.S. of A. in it's illegal attempt to unseat the legitimate and popular government of Syria. Some degree of which was clarified in the above video.

Fortunately, Trump has ordered the CIA (lol) to stop funding them. Principally because it is no longer working. Unfortunately, neither he nor we, have any idea if they have, or will. Ten new illegal U.S. bases in Syria and the "air lift rescue" of 22 ISIS Field Commanders and their families in late August from Deir Ezzor to safer regions suggest they haven't quite given up hope.

It may however enable them to concentrate on their efforts to overthrow the legitimate government of Venezuela and continue their persecution of the Donbass region of Ukraine while they salivate over Iran, N.K. etc. etc. which will of course enable them to keep up their impressive accomplishment of being at War 93% of the time since their inception, 222 out of 239 Years.

These actions along with countless others enable the U.S. to continue to hold (for four years running now) the title of "the greatest threat to peace in the world today".

Something you probably won't hear within their borders.

Well my first thought would be that you didn't even watch the video that I posted to start this thread. That might help.

But in case you're seeking proof of my last statement, here's a few references I found in short order:

http://brilliantmaps.com/threat-to-peace/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/us-greatest-threat-peace-world-today-new-poll-finds

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/01/u-s-power-and-influence-increasingly-seen-as-threat-in-other-countries/

https://www.good.is/articles/the-world-is-afraid-of-americans


And from strategic-culture.org

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/08/07/polls-us-greatest-threat-to-peace-world-today.html

Polls: US Is 'the Greatest Threat to Peace in the World Today'

It has happened again: yet another international poll finds that the US is viewed by peoples around the world to be the biggest threat to world peace.

But, to start, let's summarize the first-ever poll that had been done on this, back in 2013, which was the only prior poll on this entire issue, and it was the best-performed such poll: An end-of-the-year WIN/Gallup International survey found that people in 65 countries believe the United States is the greatest threat to world peace, as the N.Y. Post reported on 5 January 2014.

On 30 December 2013, the BBC had reported of that poll: This year, first [meaning here, 'for'] the first time, Win/Gallup agreed to include three questions submitted by listeners to [BBC's] Radio 4's Today programme. And, one of those three listener-asked questions was phrased there by the BBC, as having been Which country is the biggest threat to peace? The way that WIN/Gallup International itself had actually asked this open-ended question, to 67,806 respondents from 65 countries, was: Which country do you think is the greatest threat to peace in the world today? #1, 24% of respondents, worldwide, volunteered that the US was the greatest threat. #2 (the second-most-frequently volunteered 'greatest threat') was Pakistan, volunteered by 8%. #3 was China, with 6%. #s 4-7 were a four-way tie, at 5% each, for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, and North Korea. #s 8-10 were a three-way tie, at 4% each, for: India, Iraq, and Japan. #11 was Syria, with 3%. #12 was Russia, with 2%. #s 13-20 were a seven-way tie, at 1% each, for: Australia, Germany, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Korea, and UK.

The way that W/G itself had phrased this matter, in their highly uninformative press release for their year-end survey (which included but barely mentioned this finding, in it as though this particular finding in their annual year-end poll, hardly even deserved to be mentioned), was: The US was the overwhelming choice (24% of respondents) for the country that represents the greatest threat to peace in the world today. This was followed by Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%). Respondents in Russia (54%), China (49%) and Bosnia (49%) were the most fearful of the US as a threat. That's all there was of it W/G never devoted a press-release to the stunning subject of this particular finding, and they even buried this finding when mentioning it in their year-end press-release.

I had hoped that they would repeat this excellent global survey question every year (so that a trend line could be shown, in the global answers over time), but the question was unfortunately never repeated.

However, now, on August 1st of 2017, Pew Research Center has issued results of their polling of 30 nations in which they had surveyed, first in 2013, and then again in 2017, posing a less-clear but similar question (vague perhaps because they were fearing a similar type of finding embarrassing to their own country, the US), in which respondents had been asked Do you think that the United States' power and influence is a major threat, a minor threat, or not a threat to (survey country)? and which also asked this same question but regarding China, and then again but regarding Russia, as a possible threat instead of United States. (This wasn't an open-ended question; only those three nations were named as possible responses.)

On page 3 of their 32-page pdf is shown that the major threat category was selected by 35% of respondents worldwide for US power and influence, 31% worldwide selected that for Russia's power and influence, and also 31% worldwide said it for China's power and influence. However, on pages 23 and 24 of the pdf is shown the 30 countries that had been surveyed in this poll, in both 2013 and 2017, and most of these 30 nations were US allies; only Venezuela clearly was not. None of the 30 countries was an ally of either Russia or China (the other two countries offered as possibly being a major threat). And, yet, nonetheless, more respondents among the 30 sampled countries saw the US as a major threat, than saw either Russia or China that way.

Furthermore, the trend, in those 30 countries, throughout that four-year period, was generally in the direction of an increase in fear of the US increase in fear of the country that had been overwhelmingly cited in 2013 by people in 65 countries in WIN/Gallup's poll, as constituting, in 2013, the greatest threat to peace in the world today.

Consequently: though WIN/Gallup never repeated its question, the evidence in this newly released poll, from Pew, clearly suggests that the percentage of people in the 65 nations that WIN/Gallup had polled in 2013 who saw the US as being the greatest threat to peace in the world today would be even higher today than it was in 2013, when 24% of respondents worldwide volunteered the US as being the world's most frightening country.

Perhaps people around the world are noticing that, at least since 2001, the US is wrecking one country after another: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Ukraine. Which is next? Maybe Iran? Maybe Russia? Maybe Venezuela? Who knows?

And this country has just increased its 'defense' spending, which already is three times China's, and nine times higher than Russia's. Do the owners of America's military-industrial complex own the US government, and own the US 'news' media, to permit this rabid military to control the government's budget, in a 'democracy'?

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And regarding some of the other statements I made:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/09/isis-is-us-israeli-creation-top-ten-indications.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/protecting-the-terrorists-us-forces-evacuate-isis-daesh-commanders/5580014

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-regime-change-in-venezuela-the-truth-is-easy-if-you-follow-the-money-trail-the-opposition-is-pro-washington-not-pro-democracy/5601933

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-venezuela-crisis-government-mike-pompeo-helping-install-new-remarks-a7859771.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/18/venezuela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake

I'm not going to go all the way back to Victoria ("Fuck the EU") Nuland and the 5 Billion US Taxpayer dollars she was so proud of dumping on that country to effect the coup in Ukraine, if you're not aware of that yet, then you just really aren't paying attention

But I can supply a list of...

Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Libya 2011*
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014*
Brazil (again) 2016*

Venezuela 2017 (attempt in progress)

>OldZoidberg said: This woman (Alexandra Paul) has got ovaries/balls, too!

Did you realize that is a former Baywatch actress.

The problem with her call for 1 child per family to save the earth is that it will never have any effect on world population growth, because some religions encourage having as many children as possible, so all that will happen is that population will still grow, but there will be a huge shift in population demographics..

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/pf_15-04-02_projectionsoverview_totalfertility_640px/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Apart from failing to mention this fact, she also avoids the topic of the ugly spectre of Eugenics....and we all know where that path leads.....a world where people are defined as either "producers" or "parasites".....i.e. people who produce more than they consume versus people who consume more than they produce. The 1 baby policy in China has led to jnfanticide among female babies....and in the western world such a 1 child policy would lead to designer-babies and increased abortions.

She asks why people don't like to talk about population growth.....well there is the answer....it invariably leads to the subject of Eugenics which is not something people want to think about.

She states the average American consumes about 30 times more water per day than the average African does....but fails to mention that the average Hollywood celebrity (like her) has a carbon footprint that is 1000 times more than the average non Celebrity uses. Celebs with several homes, several cars and travel by limos and private jets etc.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp

Personally, I don't like being lectured to by Hollywood Celebs like Ms Paul...because they never live by the same standards that they preach to us about....this is an elitist view where they want a world where we have to live by the rules set by the elites.

But I would agree that we need more population control.....we need far less Hollywood types and elites telling the rest of us how to live our lives one way....while they live like royalty.....so give up your private jets and limos before you start preaching to the rest of us.

If you want population control....then everybody should be held to the same standard...e.g. like the movie "Logan's Run".....i.e. everybody who reaches 30 goes into the vaporizing machine.....i.e. no special exemptions for Hollywood celebs....none of this carbon credits scam that Al Gore invented....where rich people can use 100 times more energy than others by buying carbon credt offsets....which Al Gore does...but then he OWNS a carbon credits company....so he pays money to HIMSELF.....nice one !!

I would agree that the world would be a better place if only 1 Kardashian was allowed. .

You DO realize that that is the fault of the actions & decisions of BREEDERS, don't you, and NOT Ms Paul, right?

Yes. Of course. I never watched the show. Although, I did rent the 2017 Baywatch movie on dvd from my library. The trailers shows it looks funny.

I watched a little bit of "The Vasectomist" - documentary on Netflix.
This wonderful urologist not alone giving out free vasectomies to Philipinos
but PAYING THEM $20 each to get one.
And these ungrateful scum hypocrites pieces of subhuman shit conservatives, the mayor of the town and the scum APOLOGISTS for him, TORE DOWN this vasectomist's billboard. Out come ALL the BULLSHIT excuses about "catholic this" and "catholic that".
I hope he fucking bombs that mayor's office. If this stupid mayor and his apologists want censorship so much, hate freedom of speech so much, then THEY deserve to DIE for their stupid unimportant cause.
NEVER those who want FAIR laws should ever die or go to prison for their causes.

Once you breed, you got NO/ZERO right to complain about ANYTHING ANY human does, since ALL humans are forced into this world by breeders.

Well, you are a mathematician....so work the math. The 2 largest groups that make up world population are currently 31% christian, 23% muslim and the current birth rate among Muslims is already nearly twice the birth rate among Christians so within the next 50 years Christianity will be a minority religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

By focusing only on birth control for Christians and ignoring Muslims you are basically setting the stage for planet Earth to becomes a caliphate within 100 years.

The unintended consequences will be that you will indeed have population control...not by controlling births....but by war....because currently you have 15% of the world population who are like me...i.e. Secular, Nonreligious, Agnostic or Atheist ... but the Koran does not recognize other religious or non religious factions....because anybody who is not a Muslim is defined as an infidel...who should be killed.

So there is the irony....by focusing on birth control only among Catholics you WILL get population control ....but it will not be by birth control, it will be achieved by ceding this planet to one major religion which will cause wars in their attempts to cull all the infidels on this planet.

Thankfully, I will not be alive in 50-100 years when these things happen.

OH..btw...you said

>Once you breed, you got NO/ZERO right to complain about ANYTHING ANY
>human does

Under your rule, then I have a right to voice my opinions...because my wife and I do not have any kids. But our decision not to have kids had nothing to do with Ms Paul's philosophy.....we just decided that it would unfair to raise kids in a WAM Adult video environment....because how is a kid at school gonna answer a question like "what does your daddy do for a living".....he can hardly tell his friends "My Dad covers women in wet and messy substances so that other men can jerk off to it". Actually many of the WAM producers I know are either single, divorced or childless....so being a wam producer is one of the best ways to control the population....because most of the people I know in the wam world do not have kids.

Yes. I've preached against Muslims overbreeding and overpopulating since the 1970s, back when feminists and the National Organization for Women (NOW) WERE speaking out in favor of getting birth control taught in theocratic nations. And spoke out against theocratic nations.

I have lost contact with NOW since the late 1980s, so I don't know what they stand for now. Back then, they most fought for abortion rights. I remember my mom
and the other members of NOW openly joking about sexism & feminism & racism.

How silly to condemn people for taking action against a problem in some part of the world - e.g. the US is still overpopulated RELATIVE TO ITS CARRYING CAPACITY -
i.e. ANY nation can be called overpopulated if it consumes UNSUSTAINABLY -
just because BIGGER problems exist in other parts of the world.

The BIGGEST FOOLISH thing that I see on YouTube are loudmouthed idiots of ANY political persuasion screaming "Why isn't there somebody working on or bringing attention to problem X?"
when in fact, with almost 99% certainty, there IS or HAVE been SOME group - past or present - who HAVE tried to bring attention to problem X, but get ignored or shouted down by big media, let alone imprisoned - and the loudmouthed idiot would not even be aware of the problem were it not for these previous earlier truthblazers.

Usually, a one-minute internet search will bring up the history of one group or even just an individual who HAVE pointed out some cruel injustice.

Such as this brave CIA agent whistleblower is bringing attention to the CIA's operations in other nations.

And, I would not be opposed to the CIA taking a stand against some brutal injustice in other nations, just as long as other nations could do the same to us.

But, as wamfgcom points out, in most of his examples (I'd have to read them all), the CIA seems to have a history of choosing the wrong side in a war/battle/conflict.

So, yes - obviously - my math DOES include WHO causes /forces the MOST problems onto others. But, it OBVIOUSLY includes who has SACRIFICED the most in the past or present or future, EVEN WHEN THEY FAILED - died in battle as a soldier, failed to get elected as a politician - to reverse those problems.

And, the thought that keeps triggering me when I state:

"Those who want unfair/unjust laws should die for them, not those who want fair laws"

is all the pro-war hawks during the Vietnam War who preached to hippies or young people that for some inexplicable reason, just because they were lucky (or unlucky) to be forced into a world, a nation, not of their own making, into a nation of historically extremely rare comfort, that they should "die for their country" or "die for their way of life", just because some of those war hawks had been in WWII and suffered under Nazis and Japanese. Those young people in the USA in the 1960s were NOT the Nazis & Japanese who fought for cruel and unjust laws. The Nazis and Japanese should have died for THEIR stupid cause. NOT the American young people (hippies or otherwise.)

While this Kevin Shipp IS courageous for speaking out against the EXTREME political power to obtain funds for unregulated uncontrolled private military contractors
getting ALL the money they demand, and while he IS courageous for pointing out
that that money is taken from Social Security & Medicare and OTHER vitally important
sources of support for Americans, and while I do NOT want to demoralize him in any
way in his crusade on those points, he is WRONG in one of the related videos about "geoengineering" harms or grossly exaggerated "geoengineering projects" and WRONG about vaccination harms.

But, again - NOBODY is going to be right about EVERYTHING 100% of the time.

As I clumsily tried to explain to WAMTEC, people are CONSTRAINED by ... time & space - i.e. geography - i.e. mathematics, to fight where they can what they can, without worrying about whether what they're fighting for or against is the biggest problem or most important cause of all possible causes.

The illogic of breeders...

Well...those ducks in the cartoon do not have to worry about whether they are illogical breeders or not.....because no matter what they do they will never be over populated because enough of them will always end up on our dinner table anyway. We have an over-population of pigeons that inhabit Trafalgar Square in my home town of London. That problem could be solved very easily....just open up a couple of Chinese restaurants there and those pigeons will soon disappear.....ha ha

I would be more worried about cockroaches...because they have been on this planet for 300 million years, that's 299 million years longer than Humans, so it is a sure bet that they will still be around long after Humans have become extinct because cockroaches can survive nuclear radiation. Although nobody can estimate the total sum of cockroaches on this planet, it is a safe bet that the number is many times higher than the 7 billion humans,,,,cos scientists say that the average apartment building in the USA contains 18,000 to 36,000 cockroaches.....which is many times more than the number of people living in the average apartment building.

Same goes for rats...along with cockroaches they will eventually inherit the earth....not us. Perhaps Alexandra Paul should give some speeches encouraging more controls over the rat and cockroach population. Better still....as a Baywatch star she could urge more lifeguards in the world to stop rescuing so many people....just place a notice on the beaches to say "swim at your own risk or accept the consequences of your own actions".

We don't need to worry about ducks....cos the illogical and the logical ones are both edible.

Except when we pass a law and enforce it banning people from breeding and murdering ducks.

Still ZERO distinction in your so-called "analysis" between forcibly breeding members of another species by the billions confined inside cages versus members of other species in the wild fucking & overpopulating.