Being a film major, whenever I see a WAM-related fetish videos (be it pies, gunge, mud, quicksand, wetlook, etc.) I always like to take a look at more than just the enjoyment factor of watching the video and figure out what makes a video good.

I mean, I've written reviews for a couple of videos I've downloaded and have been happy to help provide feedback to the hard-working producers who make this stuff. So I constantly try to think hard about what makes those videos good, or even great - not counting the obvious sex-appeal.

Is it just the nature and the application of the mess itself? Is it the quality of the camera work? Is it the scripts and the performances? Is it the reactions of the participants?

Or is it something else that makes one fetish film more potent, and more enjoyable to watch, than another?

Now being an intellectual person, maybe I'm just over-analyzing this. Someone will probably just tell me to shut up and enjoy it for what it is.


But I'm curious to hear any thoughts from any members or even producers who might have an answer to this question. Now of course it is mostly subjective, but what do you think improves the "art" of WAM?

Ironically, production values are hugely underrated in these days where a phone can produce better results than a $3000 camera could 15 years ago. Too many people put all the thought and effort into the action, but then capture it badly. Simply framing the shot with more care would improve 75% of films. In my opinion, films that still look good ten years on are always, always the ones that have been well shot.

It's fair to say that some "professional" producers produce less than professional results in this regard, while some amateurs produce great results by keeping things simple. I guess this sounds somewhat critical, but I really think it's the thing that separates a classic wam movie from just another forgettable sliming.

I would agree. It boils down to the fact that you can have the hottest girl, in the hottest scene with the most well prepared mess... but if it's all shadowed, dark and the colors fucked up then you've made it just another video.

i have this feeling also with photography part of it. I am a photographer myself and the number of sites with good high end pictures is very very bad.
messyonline was one of the best in use of light, technical quality of the pictures,...

As I commented when I added this scene, sometimes you inadvertently capture something that IS a bit more "artistic" than usual.

My primary goal is simply to make a fun, funny, messy scene every time... I focus more on the lighting and framing and less on the "aesthetics" of how particular colors and mess combinations will look together. (Although I'm thinking about that too! Pudding and chocolate flavors break up the 'all-white-pies' look. Yellow or white slime on top of chocolate makes for a great look.)

BUT... Sometimes you get lucky. Take away the silly backdrop, and there's a definite Pollack vibe going on here.

[Also, in terms of shadows & darkness... I always walk the fine line between over- and under-lighting in post. I've found that the sort of lighting and contrast that makes clean pics "pop" also tends to wash out the detail of pie hits. FBOW, pies are whiter than practically everything else you're gonna shoot, and so you have to compensate. Some of my videos from 2013-14 frustrate me now because the white pies are blown out, so I've tried to correct that lately. Anyway, that's my tech talk for today....]

SStuf, that left picture would be great if you make a cut of just her back and bum

For me it is a big spolier if you see the plastic and so on the pictures

Artistic wam?

WAM as art always sounds a bit poncy to me. Technically... yeah. Sure.

Realistically... I'm not going to put it on the actual art scale. It may be a bit too disposable for that.

My issue was always with the folks (and granted there were only one or two) who would set up like an actual photo shoot, which is conducive for GREAT pics... But not really a great WAM scene. (Because a true WAM scene is basically gonna wreck any lights or backdrop within 10 feet of the model, so you can't do fill lighting or other techniques unless you want to destroy your equipment.)

So you wind up having some amazing pics... with a subpar video. (Or, alternately, no video at all.) And I do appreciate that some like (and prefer?) WAM photography.... But I'm always gonna err on the side of making a good video, and simply doing screen grabs from that, rather than focusing on setting up a perfect picture.

Rich, agreed...for the most part...but sometimes (back when i was making vids), an image would pop into my mind that was so compelling that I just HAD to make it happen, or try to, in the video....Tamara's scene 'Strawberry Dessert' was this way....

Arty doesn't have to be "poncy"...it simply means developing and/or sticking to a visual aesthetic, or adding visual touches (clothing, makeup, set design, etc.), that enhance the scene's visual appeal....the scene then becomes a bit more pleasing to the eye, thus more sensual, thus more enjoyable over-all (assuming that the main wam components are in place and effectively executed)....

In truth, though, I did this for myself (and maybe a few fans) to please myself...and rationalized it after the fact (see above)...it was just how my mind worked...and given the fact that all my videos grew out of artistic collaborations with my co-producer (we both shared a similar aesthetic and appreciation for messy chaos and slapstick)...it was never questioned for a moment.

i've done several shoots that were principally photography, and you can get some precious moments with careful preparation, that being said, there's very little advantage to it because HD video cameras and screencaps are so much better now. if you really want something sharp and well lit, you might need a strobe flash, otherwise there tends to be motion blur. but strobes going off during a video ruin it. a lot of DSLR cameras can also shoot 60 frames a second full photographs but those are really only useful for gifs.

here's some of the more photographic "artistic" wam i've attempted over the years. for most of them there is no corresponding video.

PDPNPS:

Love the solo blond burlesque sequence (topless and ruffled bloomers and fishnets!)...great work....Wish I had HD back in the day...