This maybe a dumb question but I was curious about why most of the posts on UMD are of Men Pieing Women but not Women Pieing Men. Do Women like to be pied more than throwing the pie? Or do they feel like they are supposed to be pied because they are Women? Or maybe its more of an attention grabber for other Men?

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technically, there are no "dumb questions" and in the UMD, i don't think there are really any. (except by that one guy and maybe that one other guy)

it'd be a thrill for me to get pied by a female, but i would undoubtedly be embarrassed -- but could get over it, easily. Still, at the end of the day/session/scenario, it would require her getting pied, too. If it was just me i think it'd frustrate me and "suck" the same way it (mostly) sucked when a guy would get pied on TV whenever i would stuff as a young kid, and pies/mess would loom on the fringe of the scene, and then the guy is the only one who gets it and I usually felt like that was a giant tease/waste of a fine opportunity.

That said, there are a few female-to-male pieings that I have always liked, most of them via YCDTOTV. I was just actually thinking about the "Hey, what about the horrible thing that's supposed to happen to Eugene?" pieing the other day. Which, for some reason, is one of the more titillating male-pieings i can remember from my youth. (It was very specific/deliberate, and everyone else got theirs too/first. something about the specificity and the rhythm of that scene just...worked.)

I find being tied up, tickled, locked in a basement/closet, strapped to a chair, etc etc etc to be...well, not pleasurable to think about.

That said, I think if i were 1 on 1 with a female (rather than getting ganged up on by several, or frankly several of anyone period), I would come to find it a hell of a lot of fun. But I'm not sure (at least the first time, as there has been no opportunity thus presented) I would like it if only i were getting pied.

I have watched a few of the "males pied by women" things on UMD, but almost all of them cater firmly toward the "Ha! i've got you right where i want you...." crowd (often calling the male subject a "dirty little bitch" and things like that, I just don't go in for that stuff) and I don't necc get off on dominant women. (People, men or women, are sometimes cruel enough in every day life that I get more than my fill, thanks.)

JY

Wam is primarily a visual thing for me (especially right now since I ain't got no woman), so seeing a woman get pied is what does it for me. Even when I have had messy sessions with girlfriends, them pieing me was more of a fun thing/courtesy/turnabout is fair play thing for them than a sexual thing for me. My favorite was always giving my lady a pie sandwich just before I got off while they were riding me. Just my 2¢.

I would (and have) totally enjoyed being messed up by a woman. It's a shame that those types of posts are in the Male Wam category.

I had the same experience as Joe Young growing up. The woman was off limits for the pie in most cases and the guy always ended up getting it. Wasted opportunities culminated with the movie Overboard where Goldie Hawn played a snotty high society woman (still in her prime) who had amnesia and who Kurt Russell had convinced her that she was her maid, putting her in her place. At one point she is about to serve him a big chocolate cream pie and shakes it threatenly, and since she was being put in her place I thought why not have her get pied? It ended up as just a prop.

This type of frustration I think led many of us to get hooked on women getting pied! It also led me to pie my woman without the chance for retaliation - my contribution in evening the score!

I don't think a man getting pied by anyone, male or female, is sexy. That's just my opinion though, and if that's what you're into then go to the male WAM forum.

If this was indeed an insinuation of "Why can't there be Male Pieings/Pie Slave photos in the regular Messy Forum instead of being relegated to Male WAM", i'm sure this has been debated 1,000's of times (I have never engaged in said debate), but I think bringing "co-ed WAM" into the regular Messy Forum is just too thorny an issue, for similar (yet totally different) reasons as to why Crossdress/Trans WAM is kept out of Messy Forum.

It just opens itself up to be a free-for-all, and those that dislike or truly hate Male Pieings would be a very large and vocal majority. I could say that I wouldn't mind "having to wade through" co-ed/women pieing man WAM to get to the stuff I like to see -- hey, maybe I come across a Woman Pieing Man image that i happen to really like -- but i think the "bad outweighs the good".

The way the UMD has been separated and set up in the last few years is clearly working VERY well for me and 100's of others.

JY

I personally have no interest in seeing a man get pied and I don't have a huge interest in getting messy myself; my particular interest is seeing well dressed women get messy. To each, his own though...

-JD

Most fetishes are male-driven. This one, in particular, is about 99% male and maybe higher. Are there female WAMmers? Yes, but they're up there with unicorns. Just look around on the UMD... See how many true females are on here and DON'T have their own store or a husband/partner also into WAM.

Or, more cynically, see what happens when a female announces her arrival on the forum... TONS of attention, and God knows what her InBox looks like. And half the time (sorry) the "woman" disappears almost immediately after, which basically means "she" was a guy creating a female account to troll gullible UMDers.

All this is a roundabout way of saying that of COURSE the women-getting-pied ratio is skewed... Because nearly the entire UMD is men who have a specific fetish to see that. That's also why it's fairly easy to find "guy-pieing-guy" videos (mainly the gay subniche) or "guy self-pie" vids too. And again, MOST of the female pies you see are very orchestrated (the woman is either getting paid and/or running her own business)... Or taken from somewhere more innocent (YouTube) but repurposed here for sexual reasons.

In real life, I absolutely guarantee that women enjoy pieing men as much or more as the converse. (This is assuming the man does not have a WAM fetish.) But women aren't going to hire men to be the targets in their pie videos... Or set up a community with like-minded women wanting to see men get pied... Because, frankly, those numbers don't exist.

[And side note, this is why I grow tired of the constant "how do I meet a woman into WAM"? It's like asking, "How do I meet a unicorn?" You have a MUCH better chance of falling in love with a woman for real reasons, and then introducing her to your fetish. Just because she doesn't have it naturally doesn't mean she can't enjoy or appreciate it, within reason.]

You've never watched any of my stuff then, have you? I fell into shooting the occasional "woman pies man" scene almost by accident... Literally my very first shoot, when I could tell we were at the end & the model kinda wanted revenge. I let her have the last pie and she nailed me... and boy was she HAPPY. It taught me that some (not all) of the women I used would really enjoy being the "pie-er" once in a while... And the upshot: It also hit a new market too.

I don't have any real "dominant women" clips, but I have catered to that crowd a bit with specific scenes where the model starts clean and stays clean... And I, the man, am a total jackass... So you really WANT her to get me. And Shelly, in particular, would play that "humiliating the guy" aspect up.

But most of my coed clips are very loose and silly, usually at the end of scenes when the model is already messy, and there's a real fun quality to them. (All the ones with Jill, the SS51 one with Marissa, the SS69 one with Brandi, all the ones with Ginger...) Probably because I know the woman in real life and we ARE having fun with it. I even get guys who normally just buy female clips tell me they like these coed scenes because they can imagine themselves in my place...

I actually have seen several of your co-ed moments/clips and they're among the only ones i can ever stand and genuinely think are fun to watch.

you're a fun guy, Rich.

but obviously those ladies enjoyed pieing the hell out of you

JY

Which is my point. MOST ladies enjoy pieing a guy... They're just not gonna film it, and upload it, and try to sell it.

ANYWAY. I have a really good coed scene coming up in the next volume... Mainly because the model was very cute and fun and willing. It came out really well. (And yes, she loved nailing me.)

[And side note, this is why I grow tired of the constant "how do I meet a woman into WAM"? It's like asking, "How do I meet a unicorn?" You have a MUCH better chance of falling in love with a woman for real reasons, and then introducing her to your fetish. Just because she doesn't have it naturally doesn't mean she can't enjoy or appreciate it, within reason.]

sadly/bittersweetly, this is totally true. i used to occasionally post "seeking WAM partner" but then realized...the circus would not be coming to town that year. Or ever.

But seriously, yeah, all you need to do is look at the Classifieds and it tends to be "one dude seeking female to pie me/pie her" and zero responses. Tons of them. We are a bunch of lonely horny dudes, and I'm just thankful you, MessyGirl, Ariel, and frankly Derek for creating the UMD came along or I'd just be flogging the bishop to old YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON TV clips on YouTube my whole life.

I do think it's possible to find a WAM partner, but hard to start there. For the few who have managed to do it, you have found your unicorn. (Great, now i want to watch LEGEND...)

JY

To quote Mr. Dylan..."the WAM times....they are a changin'.

Ok not really Dylan. I'm using rhetorical license. Or this case maybe just learners permit.

I mostly agree with Rich....except one thing to consider. In the early days of the UMD there were very few females. Then they slowly started to pop up...in no particular order...Phoebe, Leah, Fawn, Ariel, Jessie and now many others.

A few of WLP's models still peruse this site every so often and they have all commented on how many more females there are now than say 10 years ago.

I think the whole culture of the internet has allowed women who are into WAM to "come out." They just did it a little later than the guys did.

Trust me, they are there in very large numbers.

Also, when it comes to WAM they are FAR more creative than guys.

And of course most women like to pie men....even without the WAM kink tossed in that's going to be true.

But here's a little stat.....when it comes to sales, we get a lot more downloads on shepiestheguy.com from overseas...England and Spain mostly. BUT....when it comes to custom requests of women pieing men....much more from the U.S.

If it wasn't such a niche kink, I would write a book on my WAM experiences. Then again, in some cases nobody would believe it. Hell, in some cases when I look back even I don't believe it.

Robby
WAMma Lamma Pie
www.wammalamapie.com

www.shepiestheguy.com

I think we're proving the same point here, though. Jessie, wouldn't you agree that you ARE a rarity? When you first came to UMD, did you get some of that "unicorn in the wild!!" reaction from male posters? And at some point, you probably did figure out that you WERE popular enough to stop giving your stuff away for free, and opened a store instead.

Basically, that's the MessyGirl trajectory... She starts off just posting & selling videos & pics of herself getting messy, then expands to including friends & fellow models... And now, most of the MG girls are paid models who probably aren't into WAM at all. (Even though MG herself still is.) Fawn & WAMF were the same way... Even Phoebe back in the day.

I'm not saying opening a store makes you LESS of a WAMmer than guys on here. I'm just saying that being a *female* WAMmer puts you in a unique position where UMDers value your contributions to the tune of real money (as opposed to the dozens of male "messy" pics that are mostly naked dick pics that NO ONE wants to see, much less pay money for).

I'm actually wracking my brain trying to think of regular female posters here who are NOT tied to a store. PGKay is the main one... Mrs. Bee as well, although her profile is gone now I think (and she's also connected to Bigshipper, not sure who got who into WAM)... And I correspond with Jenn regularly, but she stays private. (Apologies to the others I'm sure I missed.)

And I bet there are plenty of other females who lurk for obvious reasons. But even so, out of 31,752 users, that's a TINY minority.

Robby & I also have different experiences when it comes to females and WAM. I'm not necessarily a cynic, but after picking the brains of my best models (namely the ones most folks would argue "might" be into WAM), it's fairly obvious that they enjoy the shoots, but would NOT do them for free. Or just get messy in the privacy of their own home for the hell of it. [I learned the hard way that even models who seem to "get it" have no problem dropping out of WAM completely, and seemingly overnight. Shelly's the latest one, but SS111 Brit too and many others before.]

And my few attempts over the years to engage GFs in my fetish have been, to be blunt... Disastrous. So, nuff said.

Robby, on the other hand, is basically "The WAM Whisperer." He has managed to turn numerous women onto WAM in a way not seen before or since... I keep trying to get him to teach me his secrets, but then he mumbles something about the "many-faced God" and I get struck with temporary blindness.

While i tend to agree with most of everything you say in every post, Rich, this struck me as off/cynical:

"I'm just saying that being a *female* WAMmer puts you in a unique position where UMDers value your contributions to the tune of real money (as opposed to the dozens of male "messy" pics that are mostly naked dick pics that NO ONE wants to see, much less pay money for)."

How do you/we know?

I experience the opposite of whatever joy and/or arousal is when i see a naked male penis, messy or non, erect or non. But I'm straight and there has to be SOME kind of female sexuality in and around the penis for me to find it "appealing and or interesting".

But as a straight man yourself, how do we know that there are not women and gay men (and people somewhere in the middle) who enjoy seeing them?

It's probably a stereotype to say that women are more discreet/quiet about their sexual interests, especially on a fairly male-heavy message board on a sexual fetish/kink website. But pretty much all the women I've ever known/befriended tended to reinforce the stereotype that men look and leer and women look/file away in far more discreet/subtle ways.

Anyway...

I'm sure the guy who posted the initial question will be surprised when he sees that he's spawned an entire conversation to the left of his original question.

But, such is the beauty of UMD.

JY

Ding ding ding (but no dongs here please).

I thought there would be more people into being pied. Didn't a lot of people grow up seeing people get pied and want to get pied themselves? For me the vids I buy are all women being pied but I love the wam stories people write where men get messed by women. Whats odd though is I do not enjoy seeing a guy get pied. I think it's because in the stories I can visualize myself on the receiving end of the mess.

Theres my rambling two cents.

"Personally, I am just happy to see anyne being pied!"

Messy Jessie, you're my hero (to quote FERRIS BUELLER).

Totally agree with rich, per my post the other day on the female male wam thread, I wrote about how a long time friend I teased growing up loved the opportunity to just crush me with pies and slime

I know this wasn't the point of the thread but I have to second that statement

And coming back around towards the original topic, you have to remember there are different ways and levels that people enjoy WAM. I myself am a voyeur, I like watching someone else (female in my case) get messy way more than actively participating. I do get a sexual thrill out of seeing it, though. Now take Marci (TriGal2002) as another example. She loves actively participating in WAM but does not get anything sexual out of it; she does it purely for fun. There are a lot of different dynamics in play here I guess is my point. Hope some of that made sense

-JD

Great thread,

I was thinking about this the other day, but the short version -

- It has a closer thread to reality, a girl would be more likely to pie you than the other way around

- most of our first experiments were on ourselves, we link back to that feeling

- If you like to be submissive its more appealing

Oh and Rich, while I overall prefer Bizarre Novelties' work as the girl totally gets the turn on, this photo and pie hit is my all time favourite. And of course its great that she gets totally messed up too (we're in the messy forum after all)

I don't think it was a stupid question to be honest, as most people have already said it probably has more to do with that there are more males on here than female and that the majority prefer women to receive the pies. However as people have said there are going to be women who love to pie guys but as the demographics of this site are a tad unbalanced in favour of males you see what the majority likes to see. As for me I do like to see women on the end of the mess as for girls pieing the guys it's not really my thing, however I do like reading wam stories about where the guys get messy because I can imagine me been in that position but as for in reality I've never been able to have a in person session yet. I am however interested in trying it out when I have enough funds to do it, I'm sure Jessie would be a great choice for a first timer and would delight in bringing in a newbie to receiving the mess haha.

Eh, I was (humorously?) exaggerating there. Obviously someone somewhere loves every penis, right?? It's more just a comment on the needs of (some) men to throw their junk out there regardless of the context.... Whereas it's completely different with women. There's a reason "dick pics" is a term and "vagina pics" isn't.

[Aziz Asari has a great routine on this subject actually... Go to 14:03.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamSnRr5uUA

I dunno. Obviously such pics are welcome & encouraged in the Male WAM forum (many of your WOTD are actually guys getting naked)... But it just strikes me as funny/ironic that many guys on here stay far away from the male forum to avoid male genitalia... Then wind up seeing plenty of it anyway between UMD avatars and banner ads. :-S

Eh, I was (humorously?) exaggerating there. Obviously someone somewhere loves every penis, right?? It's more just a comment on the needs of (some) men to throw their junk out there regardless of the context.... Whereas it's completely different with women. There's a reason "dick pics" is a term and "vagina pics" isn't.

I back down/stand corrected. Move on, nothing to see here...

(But yes, I did notice that the last few Male Wammers Of the Day seemed to be dudes posting amateur/self pics, which while it doesn't hold any interest for me, I thought was kinda cool that it wasn't all just producers, nor the same ones.)

Carry on,

JY

Yeah, the guy who pours stuff down his pants is WOTD about once a week, I believe.
I haven't been WOTD in... 2 1/2 years?? Maybe you're referring to a different set of "just producers."

Never been but would love the chance...one of these days