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"Rude, Entitled Behavior"
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So I had a couple of rude encounters with 2 members here and I feel the need to explain to everyone about the polite way to interact with models. You are not entitled to mine or anyone else's time on this website. I will answer my messages and my emails when I have the time to. I work 2 jobs, and on top of that, life happens and you have more than just work to deal with. You have no clue what is going on in a person's life, I could be out of town grieving the loss of a loved one with my family so I'm obviously not available to help you fap. So the polite thing to do is to ask if a person has time to get horny with you. We're not robots here, so please have some compassion.
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with in the past before I was making content, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. But then he went to my OnlyFans page and left his comment there because I have less followers there and no one would respond to him there. And his big complaint is about buying subscriptions here on this site to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
***EDIT*** If any of you here feel harassed by another member, you can block and mute them. When you do, there's an option to explain why you're doing that, and this will actually help Mess Master know if someone is being problematic because they might be harassing everyone they encounter. And Mess Master will contact this person for you and warn them not to continue this behavior on your behalf. Mess Master will listen to you and wants everyone to have a good experience here, so please let him know if you're having a bad experience, he will answer your messages. Some people will get banned from the site if they're being abusive so please feel free to message Mess Master if someone is harassing you. ****END EDIT****
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with in the past before I was making content, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. But then he went to my OnlyFans page and left his comment there because I have less followers there and no one would respond to him there. And his big complaint is about buying subscriptions here on this site to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
***EDIT*** If any of you here feel harassed by another member, you can block and mute them. When you do, there's an option to explain why you're doing that, and this will actually help Mess Master know if someone is being problematic because they might be harassing everyone they encounter. And Mess Master will contact this person for you and warn them not to continue this behavior on your behalf. Mess Master will listen to you and wants everyone to have a good experience here, so please let him know if you're having a bad experience, he will answer your messages. Some people will get banned from the site if they're being abusive so please feel free to message Mess Master if someone is harassing you. ****END EDIT****
CreamMeAgain said: So I had a couple of rude encounters with 2 members here and I feel the need to explain to everyone about the polite way to interact with models. You are not entitled to mine or anyone else's time on this website. I will answer my messages and my emails when I have the time to. I work 2 jobs, and on top of that, life happens and you have more than just work to deal with. You have no clue what is going on in a person's life, I could be out of town grieving the loss of a loved one with my family so I'm obviously not available to help you fap. So the polite thing to do is to ask if a person has time to get horny with you. We're not robots here, so please have some compassion.
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. And his big complaint is about subscriptions to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. And his big complaint is about subscriptions to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
I'm genuinely sorry you encountered that BS and I am highly inclined to suggest "name and shame" because these are the same tools who will act like that and in the same breath, wonder why the models are so inaccessible.
Yeah, guys. These ladies are not running a charity. Yes they enjoy what they do but they also need to be compensated for their time. If you want a free chat, try Tinder or a dating app. To add, just don't be a dick. You will be surprised how much a little patience will pay off.
As for the worth comment? They are most welcome to hire their own models, buy their own gear, buy their own materials, launch their own site, pay their own taxes and overhead start up costs, do their own editing, open up socials and network their site. We will wait. Seriously, though. Wanna see yourself on my bad side in a hurry? Try telling another creator that their content isn't worth such and such. It's harder than it looks and the hard is what makes it great. If a producer/model decides to charge an amount for their scenes, that's their choice to make. Keep your comments to yourself and shop elsewhere if you don't agree with them.
Again, truly sorry you encountered that bullshit here. It shouldn't happen but of course, the internet:/
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
CreamMeAgain said: So I had a couple of rude encounters with 2 members here and I feel the need to explain to everyone about the polite way to interact with models. You are not entitled to mine or anyone else's time on this website. I will answer my messages and my emails when I have the time to. I work 2 jobs, and on top of that, life happens and you have more than just work to deal with. You have no clue what is going on in a person's life, I could be out of town grieving the loss of a loved one with my family so I'm obviously not available to help you fap. So the polite thing to do is to ask if a person has time to get horny with you. We're not robots here, so please have some compassion.
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. And his big complaint is about subscriptions to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. And his big complaint is about subscriptions to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
That honestly sucks. I sincerely hope that whoever it was has thought about their actions, and might think about reaching out to you to apologize.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Stuff like this just pisses me off, and I will never understand this type of behavior as I can't imagine what anyone hopes to get or expects to be the end result of it.
Be respectful and appreciative of everyone both in life and on the internet. Everyone here is a Person.
This is not complicated...is it?
Be respectful and appreciative of everyone both in life and on the internet. Everyone here is a Person.
This is not complicated...is it?
Sorry to hear about this Creamy, you deserve better, in fact we all do. I think you're an absolute superstar so don't go anywhere and leave us bereft of your amazing messy videos and pictures. Matt x
I'm sorry to hear this as you are not only a well loved individual here but quite notably one of the most generous and wholehearted performers not least in terms of quite unconditional sharing of your experiences and content.
It's a pity that there is always a small minority who always have to be told. And then it possibly still won't make any difference. But moreover how they denigrate the experience of the performer in this community
Of course, these few odd-balls tend to gravitate towards the most kind and sensitive souls, too.
To the offenders: there's some tolerance for misunderstanding - but please remember that all communications within this site are recorded and can be retrieved by the site owner.
The perpetrators of the worst behaviour do tend to rack up a portfolio of abuse fairly quickly and can and will be shut down.
But please be aware that a dim view is taken of being excessively 'pushy' in communications especially where there have been boundaries set.
It's a pity that there is always a small minority who always have to be told. And then it possibly still won't make any difference. But moreover how they denigrate the experience of the performer in this community
Of course, these few odd-balls tend to gravitate towards the most kind and sensitive souls, too.
To the offenders: there's some tolerance for misunderstanding - but please remember that all communications within this site are recorded and can be retrieved by the site owner.
The perpetrators of the worst behaviour do tend to rack up a portfolio of abuse fairly quickly and can and will be shut down.
But please be aware that a dim view is taken of being excessively 'pushy' in communications especially where there have been boundaries set.
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Really sorry you had this experience, and glad that you called it out here - its only through unending education that the underlying problem will ever be tackled.
Pretty much every female wammer I've ever spoken to, who revealed themselves in public, has had the same experience, sadly. There are people who just do not seem have any concept of boundaries or respect.
I would suggest you direct message MM and report whoever made the comments, so he has a record of the issues, in case a pattern develops.
Pretty much every female wammer I've ever spoken to, who revealed themselves in public, has had the same experience, sadly. There are people who just do not seem have any concept of boundaries or respect.
I would suggest you direct message MM and report whoever made the comments, so he has a record of the issues, in case a pattern develops.
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Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Yeah, guys. These ladies are not running a charity. Yes they enjoy what they do but they also need to be compensated for their time. If you want a free chat, try Tinder or a dating app. To add, just don't be a dick. You will be surprised how much a little patience will pay off.
As for the worth comment? They are most welcome to hire their own models, buy their own gear, buy their own materials, launch their own site, pay their own taxes and overhead start up costs, do their own editing, open up socials and network their site. We will wait. Seriously, though. Wanna see yourself on my bad side in a hurry? Try telling another creator that their content isn't worth such and such. It's harder than it looks and the hard is what makes it great. If a producer/model decides to charge an amount for their scenes, that's their choice to make. Keep your comments to yourself and shop elsewhere if you don't agree with them.
Again, truly sorry you encountered that bullshit here. It shouldn't happen but of course, the internet:/
Yeah, guys. These ladies are not running a charity. Yes they enjoy what they do but they also need to be compensated for their time. If you want a free chat, try Tinder or a dating app. To add, just don't be a dick. You will be surprised how much a little patience will pay off.
As for the worth comment? They are most welcome to hire their own models, buy their own gear, buy their own materials, launch their own site, pay their own taxes and overhead start up costs, do their own editing, open up socials and network their site. We will wait. Seriously, though. Wanna see yourself on my bad side in a hurry? Try telling another creator that their content isn't worth such and such. It's harder than it looks and the hard is what makes it great. If a producer/model decides to charge an amount for their scenes, that's their choice to make. Keep your comments to yourself and shop elsewhere if you don't agree with them.
Again, truly sorry you encountered that bullshit here. It shouldn't happen but of course, the internet:/
This is exactly what I mean. Especially the part about if you don't agree with it, shop somewhere else. He didn't need to leave his comment, he could have just decided not to buy a subscription. But because he's got a toxic personality he wants my attention, and it has more to do with that than anything else.
And as far as the chatting goes, I'm not available to sit down and chat and type out a whole conversation, I'm just too busy in a day. But I will message with anyone of you for free. Any of you who reaches out to me respectfully will get my time. I will answer my messages when I have time, so I may not answer right away. But I will definitely give you the time that I do have when I have it.
CreamMeAgain said:
This is exactly what I mean. Especially the part about if you don't agree with it, shop somewhere else. He didn't need to leave his comment, he could have just decided not to buy a subscription. But because he's got a toxic personality he wants my attention, and it has more to do with that than anything else.
And as far as the chatting goes, I'm not available to sit down and chat and type out a whole conversation, I'm just too busy in a day. But I will message with anyone of you for free. Any of you who reaches out to me respectfully will get my time. I will answer my messages when I have time, so I may not answer right away. But I will definitely give you the time that I do have when I have it.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Yeah, guys. These ladies are not running a charity. Yes they enjoy what they do but they also need to be compensated for their time. If you want a free chat, try Tinder or a dating app. To add, just don't be a dick. You will be surprised how much a little patience will pay off.
As for the worth comment? They are most welcome to hire their own models, buy their own gear, buy their own materials, launch their own site, pay their own taxes and overhead start up costs, do their own editing, open up socials and network their site. We will wait. Seriously, though. Wanna see yourself on my bad side in a hurry? Try telling another creator that their content isn't worth such and such. It's harder than it looks and the hard is what makes it great. If a producer/model decides to charge an amount for their scenes, that's their choice to make. Keep your comments to yourself and shop elsewhere if you don't agree with them.
Again, truly sorry you encountered that bullshit here. It shouldn't happen but of course, the internet:/
Yeah, guys. These ladies are not running a charity. Yes they enjoy what they do but they also need to be compensated for their time. If you want a free chat, try Tinder or a dating app. To add, just don't be a dick. You will be surprised how much a little patience will pay off.
As for the worth comment? They are most welcome to hire their own models, buy their own gear, buy their own materials, launch their own site, pay their own taxes and overhead start up costs, do their own editing, open up socials and network their site. We will wait. Seriously, though. Wanna see yourself on my bad side in a hurry? Try telling another creator that their content isn't worth such and such. It's harder than it looks and the hard is what makes it great. If a producer/model decides to charge an amount for their scenes, that's their choice to make. Keep your comments to yourself and shop elsewhere if you don't agree with them.
Again, truly sorry you encountered that bullshit here. It shouldn't happen but of course, the internet:/
This is exactly what I mean. Especially the part about if you don't agree with it, shop somewhere else. He didn't need to leave his comment, he could have just decided not to buy a subscription. But because he's got a toxic personality he wants my attention, and it has more to do with that than anything else.
And as far as the chatting goes, I'm not available to sit down and chat and type out a whole conversation, I'm just too busy in a day. But I will message with anyone of you for free. Any of you who reaches out to me respectfully will get my time. I will answer my messages when I have time, so I may not answer right away. But I will definitely give you the time that I do have when I have it.
Precisely. He felt he was "owed" your time and that's just the sort of crap that doesn't fly in my book. The transaction ended the minute he got his clip or scenes. He's not owed anything else beyond that and anything provided after the fact is simple kindness or pleasant interaction with fans. It's a privilege. Thing people forget though is privileges can be taken away.
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DungeonMasterOne said: Really sorry you had this experience, and glad that you called it out here - its only through unending education that the underlying problem will ever be tackled.
Pretty much every female wammer I've ever spoken to, who revealed themselves in public, has had the same experience, sadly. There are people who just do not seem have any concept of boundaries or respect.
I would suggest you direct message MM and report whoever made the comments, so he has a record of the issues, in case a pattern develops.
Pretty much every female wammer I've ever spoken to, who revealed themselves in public, has had the same experience, sadly. There are people who just do not seem have any concept of boundaries or respect.
I would suggest you direct message MM and report whoever made the comments, so he has a record of the issues, in case a pattern develops.
Thank you so much for pointing this out. I did actually let Mess Master know first when this happened, and I edited the post to let everyone know that you guys are working tirelessly to make this site a happy, safe place for everyone here. I really appreciate everything you guys do!
That is some downright grimy behavior. Feel free to name the users here; clearly they aren't the least bit concerned about their reputation.
Creamy, I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. I'm one of the Ace posters you mentioned in another recent chat, so for me, your content just doesn't hit the spot, which means I do exactly what we mentioned: I just don't snag it. And that's ok! You seem like a very lovely and genuine person and you're a breath of fresh air to this community, so just because you're making content that doesn't meet my specific needs doesn't mean I'm gonna go on a rampage about it.
At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon complaining about how times are changing, arguments as old as time ("These kids these days and their RAGTIME music, they've got pianos that play themselves, now that's the Devil's Music if I've ever seen it!!")...is anyone else seeing an uptick in this kind of crap across the site? We've got Creamy's story above, which is surely not the only incident, and then I've personally seen threads completely hijacked by people with an axe to grind with MM about what is/isn't allowed to be posted here.
I've also seen threads hijacked by sidebar conversations troubleshooting site issues that go something like this:
Random Poster: "I bought a scene from [producer] but I can't access it."
Someone else, often a mod: "Ok, message MM and he'll take care of it."
Random Poster: "Well why can't I access my scene."
MM appears: "Dunno, but if you message us the details and specifics we'll fix it."
Random Poster: "I'm pretty irritated I can't access my content."
MM: "Yep, it sounds frustrating, but we're happy to address your concerns, just message us the specifics and we'll look into it right away."
Random Poster: "Wouldn't you be irritated too if you paid good money for something and couldn't use it?"
MM: "Yes, that sounds irritating, but really, we can't fix this problem unless you message us the specific details, which it seems like you have not yet done."
Random Poster: "Why has no one fixed my problem yet?"
MM: "Are...are you serious?"
It's not just me, right? It seems like what Creamy is dealing with here is part of a rash of trolls and...buffoons?...and at the risk of overstating the obvious, it's killing the vibe and not great for the community members.
Edit: Fixed up a spot where I used a double negative and accidentally said the opposite of what I'd meant, apologies!
At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon complaining about how times are changing, arguments as old as time ("These kids these days and their RAGTIME music, they've got pianos that play themselves, now that's the Devil's Music if I've ever seen it!!")...is anyone else seeing an uptick in this kind of crap across the site? We've got Creamy's story above, which is surely not the only incident, and then I've personally seen threads completely hijacked by people with an axe to grind with MM about what is/isn't allowed to be posted here.
I've also seen threads hijacked by sidebar conversations troubleshooting site issues that go something like this:
Random Poster: "I bought a scene from [producer] but I can't access it."
Someone else, often a mod: "Ok, message MM and he'll take care of it."
Random Poster: "Well why can't I access my scene."
MM appears: "Dunno, but if you message us the details and specifics we'll fix it."
Random Poster: "I'm pretty irritated I can't access my content."
MM: "Yep, it sounds frustrating, but we're happy to address your concerns, just message us the specifics and we'll look into it right away."
Random Poster: "Wouldn't you be irritated too if you paid good money for something and couldn't use it?"
MM: "Yes, that sounds irritating, but really, we can't fix this problem unless you message us the specific details, which it seems like you have not yet done."
Random Poster: "Why has no one fixed my problem yet?"
MM: "Are...are you serious?"
It's not just me, right? It seems like what Creamy is dealing with here is part of a rash of trolls and...buffoons?...and at the risk of overstating the obvious, it's killing the vibe and not great for the community members.
Edit: Fixed up a spot where I used a double negative and accidentally said the opposite of what I'd meant, apologies!
CreamMeAgain said: So I had a couple of rude encounters with 2 members here and I feel the need to explain to everyone about the polite way to interact with models. You are not entitled to mine or anyone else's time on this website. I will answer my messages and my emails when I have the time to. I work 2 jobs, and on top of that, life happens and you have more than just work to deal with. You have no clue what is going on in a person's life, I could be out of town grieving the loss of a loved one with my family so I'm obviously not available to help you fap. So the polite thing to do is to ask if a person has time to get horny with you. We're not robots here, so please have some compassion.
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with in the past before I was making content, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. But then he went to my OnlyFans page and left his comment there because I have less followers there and no one would respond to him there. And his big complaint is about buying subscriptions here on this site to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
***EDIT*** If any of you here feel harassed by another member, you can block and mute them. When you do, there's an option to explain why you're doing that, and this will actually help Mess Master know if someone is being problematic because they might be harassing everyone they encounter. And Mess Master will contact this person for you and warn them not to continue this behavior on your behalf. Mess Master will listen to you and wants everyone to have a good experience here, so please let him know if you're having a bad experience, he will answer your messages. Some people will get banned from the site if they're being abusive so please feel free to message Mess Master if someone is harassing you. ****END EDIT****
This person was not only rude to me, but he felt the need put down another model here that I'm friends with just because she requires that you pay to chat with her. So let me explain it to you. Every professional adult performer I know charges for their time to chat. This is called sexting, and it's a service that you're asking from them. These models get a ton of requests every day to spend time with them online sexting. If we gave everyone our time that wanted it for free, we'd never have time to work or do anything else. So yes, if you want them to stop what they're doing to spend time with you just so you can fap, then make it worth their time.
Another rude member here who I've actually met up with in person and gotten messy with in the past before I was making content, decided they wanted to leave rude comments on one of my forum threads about how I'm not worth the money I'm asking people to pay for my scenes. He immediately deleted his comment because he knows that he's being an asshole and didn't want to listen to any responses about his obviously entitled behavior. But then he went to my OnlyFans page and left his comment there because I have less followers there and no one would respond to him there. And his big complaint is about buying subscriptions here on this site to get access to videos in my store. So let me break this down for you.
I spend my own money to make scenes. I want to make good quality scenes with good quality equipment. I want to hire other models to create good scenes. I live in a state where these things cost way more money. I need to make a certain amount from the scenes I produce so that I can make a profit. And at the most successful, I'm not even gaining income, I'm breaking even. So I'm only making enough money from one scene to make the next scene. So if you want me to make more scenes that you enjoy, I will need to price my scenes based on how much I made it for and how much I need to make from it in order to keep business going.
So yes, there are subscriptions for access to my videos, and after you subscribe, you get free access to my older content. The newer content is not free, but it's discounted. But if you didn't want to pay for the new scene after already buying a subscription, then all you have to do is just fuckin wait a few months and you'll get to download it for free. It's just that fucking easy, you just have to fucking wait.
So in conclusion, don't expect rude comments to get you anything from anyone just because you feel entitled to it. I don't owe anyone anything just because they want it from me, and the same applies to all models. Please be kind and be respectful of our time. That is all
***EDIT*** If any of you here feel harassed by another member, you can block and mute them. When you do, there's an option to explain why you're doing that, and this will actually help Mess Master know if someone is being problematic because they might be harassing everyone they encounter. And Mess Master will contact this person for you and warn them not to continue this behavior on your behalf. Mess Master will listen to you and wants everyone to have a good experience here, so please let him know if you're having a bad experience, he will answer your messages. Some people will get banned from the site if they're being abusive so please feel free to message Mess Master if someone is harassing you. ****END EDIT****
I am really sorry to hear about this. I completely agree. Models should be treated with 100% respect at all times! It saddens me to hear this because unfortunately there are a few bad apples out there that will try to bring people down to make them feel bigger. However, they don't have the type of influence they have by discouraging others.
JazzTalker said:
At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon complaining about how times are changing, arguments as old as time ("These kids these days and their RAGTIME music, they've got pianos that play themselves, now that's the Devil's Music if I've ever seen it!!")...is anyone else seeing an uptick in this kind of crap across the site? We've got Creamy's story above, which is surely not the only incident, and then I've personally seen threads completely hijacked by people with an axe to grind with MM about what is/isn't allowed to be posted here.
I've also seen threads hijacked by sidebar conversations troubleshooting site issues that go something like this:
Random Poster: "I bought a scene from [producer] but I can't access it."
Someone else, often a mod: "Ok, message MM and he'll take care of it."
Random Poster: "Well why can't I access my scene."
MM appears: "Dunno, but if you message us the details and specifics we'll fix it."
Random Poster: "I'm pretty irritated I can't access my content."
MM: "Yep, it sounds frustrating, but we're happy to address your concerns, just message us the specifics and we'll look into it right away."
Random Poster: "Wouldn't you be irritated too if you paid good money for something and couldn't use it?"
MM: "Yes, that sounds irritating, but really, we can't fix this problem unless you message us the specific details, which it seems like you have not yet done."
Random Poster: "Why has no one fixed my problem yet?"
MM: "Are...are you serious?"
It's not just me, right? It seems like what Creamy is dealing with here is part of a rash of trolls and...buffoons?...and at the risk of overstating the obvious, it's killing the vibe and not great for the community members.
At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon complaining about how times are changing, arguments as old as time ("These kids these days and their RAGTIME music, they've got pianos that play themselves, now that's the Devil's Music if I've ever seen it!!")...is anyone else seeing an uptick in this kind of crap across the site? We've got Creamy's story above, which is surely not the only incident, and then I've personally seen threads completely hijacked by people with an axe to grind with MM about what is/isn't allowed to be posted here.
I've also seen threads hijacked by sidebar conversations troubleshooting site issues that go something like this:
Random Poster: "I bought a scene from [producer] but I can't access it."
Someone else, often a mod: "Ok, message MM and he'll take care of it."
Random Poster: "Well why can't I access my scene."
MM appears: "Dunno, but if you message us the details and specifics we'll fix it."
Random Poster: "I'm pretty irritated I can't access my content."
MM: "Yep, it sounds frustrating, but we're happy to address your concerns, just message us the specifics and we'll look into it right away."
Random Poster: "Wouldn't you be irritated too if you paid good money for something and couldn't use it?"
MM: "Yes, that sounds irritating, but really, we can't fix this problem unless you message us the specific details, which it seems like you have not yet done."
Random Poster: "Why has no one fixed my problem yet?"
MM: "Are...are you serious?"
It's not just me, right? It seems like what Creamy is dealing with here is part of a rash of trolls and...buffoons?...and at the risk of overstating the obvious, it's killing the vibe and not great for the community members.
Facts!
Part of me wants to say it is entitlement while the other wants to point the finger to with how the ease of access of content has made some people, by and large, spoiled. In any event; generational, cultural, and policy differences are going to continue being a friction point as long as time moves forward.
We are coming into the generation that will never know the pains (or they just forgotten) of scouring Geocities and Yahoo Groups for 30-60 second mainstream clips on dial up or the scarcity of a handful of trailblazers who would pioneer the first WAM-centric clip stores.
We are long past the day of mail in orders or web orders for cliptapes on VHS from Wamtec or MPV. As such, people today and their expectations run along the lines of what they will experience from Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu and Ebay. To make matters more complicated, factor in now the ever increasing availability and ease of access of adult oriented entertainment such as Onlyfans, IWantClips, Manyvids and more, I feel people have misplaced expectations of what a single hybrid forum like UMD ran by a single human being can accomplish.
Of course none of the things mentioned above excuses shitty behavior but it does present a paradox of sorts when a new generation of clientele who are used to the "have it now in 5 minutes or less" culture meets with a fetish where some, if not most of the handful of models/producers have lives outside of this niche and kinda want to spend that time with their families or doing other things. Some models have careers already outside of fetish and this is simply a means of expressing their passion where others, they might do this periodically because they work with various producers in various other genres. In fact, almost every woman I have worked with so far could easily walk away from fetish shooting altogether and be totally fine. They all are talented models in their own right and have lives, professions and passions outside this very small bubble of ours. Take my word for it; They don't NEED to do this. Something to keep in mind of for the next person who wants to act like an asshat to a model simply because they don't reply to a message or charge for their time so you can play out a fantasy.
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I am SO sorry this happened to you. I posted about a week ago about a troll I had! The thing is-this is our fun, so assholes need to stop trying to ruin it. You are an amazing model, not only in your quality, but also in your passion, and your time is worth probably more than you charge. I am not sure why certain people feel as if they could post negative commentary without any type of backlash. I do not mind constructive criticism, someone left a comment about filming angles and I have since updated, no problem! But to be outright a fucking idiot to a person, nahhh not gonna fly! MM has been an angel! Supporting the fetish community and making us feel safe to express ourselves! Thank you for bringing this to light-step out of the shadows assholes and face your mistake to not repeat this behavior! 
I'm a hot mess ;)
I actually don't want to name these individuals publicly mainly because this is MessMaster's site and responsibility to address these issues peacefully and without aggression first before resorting to that. If they were a danger to others, I certainly would call them out, but this was just minor encounters of annoyance. I feel that public shaming can further anger or agitate these individuals and cause them to get defensive and act out more.
Brattyshortcakes said: I am SO sorry this happened to you. I posted about a week ago about a troll I had! The thing is-this is our fun, so assholes need to stop trying to ruin it. You are an amazing model, not only in your quality, but also in your passion, and your time is worth probably more than you charge. I am not sure why certain people feel as if they could post negative commentary without any type of backlash. I do not mind constructive criticism, someone left a comment about filming angles and I have since updated, no problem! But to be outright a fucking idiot to a person, nahhh not gonna fly! MM has been an angel! Supporting the fetish community and making us feel safe to express ourselves! Thank you for bringing this to light-step out of the shadows assholes and face your mistake to not repeat this behavior!
I was actually thinking about your thread about your troll when this guy acted out, I wondered if this is the same person because he mentioned someone else here and that made it obvious he was rude to other people here too. These people are definitely the minority, and don't influence how I feel about this community, I'm not easily swayed by these kinds of people. I just want them to learn and understand so they hopefully change their behavior for the better
CreamMeAgain said: I actually don't want to name these individuals publicly mainly because this is MessMaster's site and responsibility to address these issues peacefully and without aggression first before resorting to that. If they were a danger to others, I certainly would call them out, but this was just minor encounters of annoyance. I feel that public shaming can further anger or agitate these individuals and cause them to get defensive and act out more.
Nah, you're doing it right. I simply mentioned "name and shame" as an illustration of my frustration because you are not the only model who has encountered this behavior and to be honest, it's getting old. Hell, even I have encountered it and there is just no reason for it. None at all.
That being said, hand it to MM and see what he shakes loose. Perhaps a simple warning will suffice or depending on the level offense, suspension or banning. In any event, as much as I find their behavior detestable, I loath mob mentality just as much.
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The entitled incel assholes know they're entitled assholes. They get off on being that way and the anger and frustration they generate from women.
CreamMeAgain said: I actually don't want to name these individuals publicly mainly because this is MessMaster's site and responsibility to address these issues peacefully and without aggression first before resorting to that. If they were a danger to others, I certainly would call them out, but this was just minor encounters of annoyance. I feel that public shaming can further anger or agitate these individuals and cause them to get defensive and act out more.
Fair enough, I understand that. My point more so was that if they aren't ashamed of how they treat you via DM, then they must not be that ashamed to be outed, either. At any rate, your reasoning for not sharing who they are isn't so much out of any pity for them as it is to not stoke the fire any further than necessary.
CreamMeAgain said:
I was actually thinking about your thread about your troll when this guy acted out, I wondered if this is the same person because he mentioned someone else here and that made it obvious he was rude to other people here too. These people are definitely the minority, and don't influence how I feel about this community, I'm not easily swayed by these kinds of people. I just want them to learn and understand so they hopefully change their behavior for the better
Brattyshortcakes said: I am SO sorry this happened to you. I posted about a week ago about a troll I had! The thing is-this is our fun, so assholes need to stop trying to ruin it. You are an amazing model, not only in your quality, but also in your passion, and your time is worth probably more than you charge. I am not sure why certain people feel as if they could post negative commentary without any type of backlash. I do not mind constructive criticism, someone left a comment about filming angles and I have since updated, no problem! But to be outright a fucking idiot to a person, nahhh not gonna fly! MM has been an angel! Supporting the fetish community and making us feel safe to express ourselves! Thank you for bringing this to light-step out of the shadows assholes and face your mistake to not repeat this behavior!
I was actually thinking about your thread about your troll when this guy acted out, I wondered if this is the same person because he mentioned someone else here and that made it obvious he was rude to other people here too. These people are definitely the minority, and don't influence how I feel about this community, I'm not easily swayed by these kinds of people. I just want them to learn and understand so they hopefully change their behavior for the better
I've seen more and more of this type of behavior and entitlement too. It does seem to be getting worse. Instagram has always been the worst offender for me but UMD has been creeping up with the asshats recently. Sorry you have to deal with this stuff. It gets exhausting having to explain ourselves and why these guys are assholes.
~Chloe
I'm sorry this happened to you but not surprised: If you weren't attractive, you wouldnt be as much of a target. Sadly.
I have to admit I thought the title of this dicussion was the setup for a photoset.
I have to admit I thought the title of this dicussion was the setup for a photoset.
Well said, CreamMe! I especially like what you said, "You have no clue what is going on in a person's life..." That is so true! We don't know what's going on in a person's life when we get on here. And to expect that person to be the same every time one chat's with another is unrealistic expectations. Just because the same "vibe" is not there all the time does not mean anything.
I'm sorry that you've had those encounters of people being rude on here. You definitely do not deserve it! You, nor anyone does. If I had been rude to someone in the past, I always go back and apologize for my selfish behavior! I wish more people learned the act of apologizing and meaningful forgiveness in this day and age.
I'm sorry that you've had those encounters of people being rude on here. You definitely do not deserve it! You, nor anyone does. If I had been rude to someone in the past, I always go back and apologize for my selfish behavior! I wish more people learned the act of apologizing and meaningful forgiveness in this day and age.
I know some people above mentioned generational differences being a culprit, but from what I've seen and heard, some of the older members are among the worst offenders when it comes to entitlement and a lack of boundaries.
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rtgdes1gner said: The entitled incel assholes know they're entitled assholes. They get off on being that way and the anger and frustration they generate from women.
This infortunately is definitely part of the issue. I always used to believe that if you explained things to people clearly and in detail, they'd learn, understand, and moderate their behaviour. Sadly I've learned that isn't the case and some people will be obnoxious and oppressive no matter how much you explain to them that it's not helpful.
WAMOptimist93 said: I know some people above mentioned generational differences being a culprit, buy from what I've seen and heard, some of the older members are among the worst offenders when it comes to entitlement and a lack of boundaries.
I dopn't think its generational at all, it's entirely down to how someone thinks of women in general, and that cuts right across the generations.
When I send someone a message, I expect that they'll reply in their own good time, when is convenient to them and they feel like putting the effort in to reply. And that might be five minutes, or five months, later. They don't owe me anything, and I've no right or reason to demand an instant response.
But a lot of people seem to have taken the instant messaging facilities we now have, where you can see whether or not someone has received a message, as meaning that they're under obligation to immediately respond to it. My view? To hell with that. Replies should happen at the convenience of the replier, not the demand of the sender.
Different of course in a paid-for sexy chat session, where either a set amount of time or X number of messages have been agreed on, and it's taken as read that the purchaser is getting off on the conversation. But that's a paid-for service. Messaging someone for free? Any reply at all is a privilege, and should be respected, and entitled or demanding behaviour should result in a blocking.
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DungeonMasterOne said:
This infortunately is definitely part of the issue. I always used to believe that if you explained things to people clearly and in detail, they'd learn, understand, and moderate their behaviour. Sadly I've learned that isn't the case and some people will be obnoxious and oppressive no matter how much you explain to them that it's not helpful.
I dopn't think its generational at all, it's entirely down to how someone thinks of women in general, and that cuts right across the generations.
When I send someone a message, I expect that they'll reply in their own good time, when is convenient to them and they feel like putting the effort in to reply. And that might be five minutes, or five months, later. They don't owe me anything, and I've no right or reason to demand an instant response.
But a lot of people seem to have taken the instant messaging facilities we now have, where you can see whether or not someone has received a message, as meaning that they're under obligation to immediately respond to it. My view? To hell with that. Replies should happen at the convenience of the replier, not the demand of the sender.
Different of course in a paid-for sexy chat session, where either a set amount of time or X number of messages have been agreed on, and it's taken as read that the purchaser is getting off on the conversation. But that's a paid-for service. Messaging someone for free? Any reply at all is a privilege, and should be respected, and entitled or demanding behaviour should result in a blocking.
rtgdes1gner said: The entitled incel assholes know they're entitled assholes. They get off on being that way and the anger and frustration they generate from women.
This infortunately is definitely part of the issue. I always used to believe that if you explained things to people clearly and in detail, they'd learn, understand, and moderate their behaviour. Sadly I've learned that isn't the case and some people will be obnoxious and oppressive no matter how much you explain to them that it's not helpful.
WAMOptimist93 said: I know some people above mentioned generational differences being a culprit, buy from what I've seen and heard, some of the older members are among the worst offenders when it comes to entitlement and a lack of boundaries.
I dopn't think its generational at all, it's entirely down to how someone thinks of women in general, and that cuts right across the generations.
When I send someone a message, I expect that they'll reply in their own good time, when is convenient to them and they feel like putting the effort in to reply. And that might be five minutes, or five months, later. They don't owe me anything, and I've no right or reason to demand an instant response.
But a lot of people seem to have taken the instant messaging facilities we now have, where you can see whether or not someone has received a message, as meaning that they're under obligation to immediately respond to it. My view? To hell with that. Replies should happen at the convenience of the replier, not the demand of the sender.
Different of course in a paid-for sexy chat session, where either a set amount of time or X number of messages have been agreed on, and it's taken as read that the purchaser is getting off on the conversation. But that's a paid-for service. Messaging someone for free? Any reply at all is a privilege, and should be respected, and entitled or demanding behaviour should result in a blocking.
I don't think it's inherently a generational issue, but for the people arguing that it is (especially that this is unique and new to younger people somehow) that attitude is not only prominent amongst older men but also passed down to the younger generation. That mentality toward women is perpetuated, not something people just "have." It's not as simple as me saying "older people are this way, younger people aren't," it's more me saying that if you're looking at the younger generation to place blame, you still have to look at the older people, too.
WAMOptimist93 said: I know some people above mentioned generational differences being a culprit, buy from what I've seen and heard, some of the older members are among the worst offenders when it comes to entitlement and a lack of boundaries.
Generational in terms of expectations was how used the phrase and I use the term VERY loosely because I don't subscribe to it being the end all be all, especially when the information is so readily available out there.
For instance, a model who I've worked with booked a wrestling custom for a client. Not one hour after the money hit her account, he started bombarding her inbox. This lasted about a couple of days before she just refunded the money after he started getting belligerent, told him to go fuck himself and blocked him.
Now, I haven't been in the game NEAR as long as some folks but I will bet dollars to donuts that the likelihood of someone acting that way to me is low simply because I'm a male.
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Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Generational in terms of expectations was how used the phrase and I use the term VERY loosely because I don't subscribe to it being the end all be all, especially when the information is so readily available out there.
For instance, a model who I've worked with booked a wrestling custom for a client. Not one hour after the money hit her account, he started bombarding her inbox. This lasted about a couple of days before she just refunded the money after he started getting belligerent, told him to go fuck himself and blocked him.
Now, I haven't been in the game NEAR as long as some folks but I will bet dollars to donuts that the likelihood of someone acting that way to me is low simply because I'm a male.
WAMOptimist93 said: I know some people above mentioned generational differences being a culprit, buy from what I've seen and heard, some of the older members are among the worst offenders when it comes to entitlement and a lack of boundaries.
Generational in terms of expectations was how used the phrase and I use the term VERY loosely because I don't subscribe to it being the end all be all, especially when the information is so readily available out there.
For instance, a model who I've worked with booked a wrestling custom for a client. Not one hour after the money hit her account, he started bombarding her inbox. This lasted about a couple of days before she just refunded the money after he started getting belligerent, told him to go fuck himself and blocked him.
Now, I haven't been in the game NEAR as long as some folks but I will bet dollars to donuts that the likelihood of someone acting that way to me is low simply because I'm a male.
Oh for sure, in terms of expectations of how quickly to get something, I can see that. I'm thinking more in terms of entitlement to a model's time, etc.
WAMOptimist93 said:
It's not as simple as me saying "older people are this way, younger people aren't," it's more me saying that if you're looking at the younger generation to place blame, you still have to look at the older people, too.
DungeonMasterOne said:
This infortunately is definitely part of the issue. I always used to believe that if you explained things to people clearly and in detail, they'd learn, understand, and moderate their behaviour. Sadly I've learned that isn't the case and some people will be obnoxious and oppressive no matter how much you explain to them that it's not helpful.
I dopn't think its generational at all, it's entirely down to how someone thinks of women in general, and that cuts right across the generations.
When I send someone a message, I expect that they'll reply in their own good time, when is convenient to them and they feel like putting the effort in to reply. And that might be five minutes, or five months, later. They don't owe me anything, and I've no right or reason to demand an instant response.
But a lot of people seem to have taken the instant messaging facilities we now have, where you can see whether or not someone has received a message, as meaning that they're under obligation to immediately respond to it. My view? To hell with that. Replies should happen at the convenience of the replier, not the demand of the sender.
Different of course in a paid-for sexy chat session, where either a set amount of time or X number of messages have been agreed on, and it's taken as read that the purchaser is getting off on the conversation. But that's a paid-for service. Messaging someone for free? Any reply at all is a privilege, and should be respected, and entitled or demanding behaviour should result in a blocking.
rtgdes1gner said: The entitled incel assholes know they're entitled assholes. They get off on being that way and the anger and frustration they generate from women.
This infortunately is definitely part of the issue. I always used to believe that if you explained things to people clearly and in detail, they'd learn, understand, and moderate their behaviour. Sadly I've learned that isn't the case and some people will be obnoxious and oppressive no matter how much you explain to them that it's not helpful.
WAMOptimist93 said: I know some people above mentioned generational differences being a culprit, buy from what I've seen and heard, some of the older members are among the worst offenders when it comes to entitlement and a lack of boundaries.
I dopn't think its generational at all, it's entirely down to how someone thinks of women in general, and that cuts right across the generations.
When I send someone a message, I expect that they'll reply in their own good time, when is convenient to them and they feel like putting the effort in to reply. And that might be five minutes, or five months, later. They don't owe me anything, and I've no right or reason to demand an instant response.
But a lot of people seem to have taken the instant messaging facilities we now have, where you can see whether or not someone has received a message, as meaning that they're under obligation to immediately respond to it. My view? To hell with that. Replies should happen at the convenience of the replier, not the demand of the sender.
Different of course in a paid-for sexy chat session, where either a set amount of time or X number of messages have been agreed on, and it's taken as read that the purchaser is getting off on the conversation. But that's a paid-for service. Messaging someone for free? Any reply at all is a privilege, and should be respected, and entitled or demanding behaviour should result in a blocking.
It's not as simple as me saying "older people are this way, younger people aren't," it's more me saying that if you're looking at the younger generation to place blame, you still have to look at the older people, too.
I honestly don't think this a who to blame or what to blame scenario. I think this is a simple "don't be a fucking wall to wall asshole" scenario.
Have some empathy. Don't be a dick. Show some grace and all that.
If you message someone, take in account that you are probably not the sole message in their inbox. They might have kids, or a family or a husband. They might be on vacation. They might be at work. In any event, they will get to you when they get to you. Or they won't and guess what? That's ok, too! The fate of the world isn't relying on whether your message gets answered or not.
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