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"Republican Presidential Campaign"
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I received a letter from President Trump requesting my financial support for his bid for reelection. I'd put a check in the envelope and mail it back except for the fact I voted Democratic in the last election coupled with the notion it probably won't make it back before election day.
I live in the UK, so I can't claim to know enough about the U.S. election.
But I find it utterly astonishing, that having Made America Great Again, Trump can not trust the U.S. Postal Service to deliver one envelope to each household and voter on the register.
And return them to a counting centre!
Between now and November!
Voter suppression seems very worrying too!
But I find it utterly astonishing, that having Made America Great Again, Trump can not trust the U.S. Postal Service to deliver one envelope to each household and voter on the register.
And return them to a counting centre!
Between now and November!
Voter suppression seems very worrying too!
Splash me
Our beloved President's back is against the wall; he will leave no tactic unexplored. I'm glad your PM beat Covid 19, good for you and your lovely country.
MrWetShirt said: I live in the UK, so I can't claim to know enough about the U.S. election.
But I find it utterly astonishing, that having Made America Great Again, Trump can not trust the U.S. Postal Service to deliver one envelope to each household and voter on the register.
And return them to a counting centre!
Between now and November!
Voter suppression seems very worrying too!
But I find it utterly astonishing, that having Made America Great Again, Trump can not trust the U.S. Postal Service to deliver one envelope to each household and voter on the register.
And return them to a counting centre!
Between now and November!
Voter suppression seems very worrying too!
I've been voting in American elections since 1980 and I've yet to encounter a single instance of "voter suppression". I have seen people who don't register, try not to vote in their registered district, etc and try to label their misuse of the electoral system as "voter suppression".
The entire business of mail in ballots is nonsense. There is a difference between a voter requesting an absentee ballot and a mass mailing to unverified address that can be returned by anyone.
I also received a request for campaign donation from President Trump and Joe Biden. This is not unusual in American elections. It's not an indication of desperation but the way the election system is financed by private donations in this country.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
Yuu chan said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe you quite understand how mail in ballots work. Mail in ballots aren't sent out randomly to every household, that would be rediculous. You can only receive one if you request it and show a form of voter ID. Once that is done you can't vote in a traditional way as your ID is already tied into a active ballot. I worked in America and during my time I spent a lot of time researching politics and how they work. Absentee ballots ballots and mail in ballots are the same thing, it works exactly the same here in Japan. I don't know what you mean by your quote but it's either I'm misreading it or you're very misinformed on the topic.
As for the voter suppression in the United States, it was extremely blatant and obvious with the cutting of funding towards USPS branches in primarily Democratic cities which was done because as the government said, would delay mail in (absentee) ballots till after the election. Blatant abuses of power by the current president of the United States cannot be overlooked and the vast amount of people who do is just sickening.
DuncanEdwards said:
The entire business of mail in ballots is nonsense. There is a difference between a voter requesting an absentee ballot and a mass mailing to unverified address that can be returned by anyone.
MrWetShirt said: I live in the UK, so I can't claim to know enough about the U.S. election.
But I find it utterly astonishing, that having Made America Great Again, Trump can not trust the U.S. Postal Service to deliver one envelope to each household and voter on the register.
And return them to a counting centre!
Between now and November!
Voter suppression seems very worrying too!
But I find it utterly astonishing, that having Made America Great Again, Trump can not trust the U.S. Postal Service to deliver one envelope to each household and voter on the register.
And return them to a counting centre!
Between now and November!
Voter suppression seems very worrying too!
The entire business of mail in ballots is nonsense. There is a difference between a voter requesting an absentee ballot and a mass mailing to unverified address that can be returned by anyone.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe you quite understand how mail in ballots work. Mail in ballots aren't sent out randomly to every household, that would be rediculous. You can only receive one if you request it and show a form of voter ID. Once that is done you can't vote in a traditional way as your ID is already tied into a active ballot. I worked in America and during my time I spent a lot of time researching politics and how they work. Absentee ballots ballots and mail in ballots are the same thing, it works exactly the same here in Japan. I don't know what you mean by your quote but it's either I'm misreading it or you're very misinformed on the topic.
As for the voter suppression in the United States, it was extremely blatant and obvious with the cutting of funding towards USPS branches in primarily Democratic cities which was done because as the government said, would delay mail in (absentee) ballots till after the election. Blatant abuses of power by the current president of the United States cannot be overlooked and the vast amount of people who do is just sickening.
You are wrong. Current proposals are for exactly what I stated. The USPS reduces expenses for business reasons on a regular basis. Much of this is due to Postal service use having declined by half in the last 20 years and the trend is accelerating. With decreased need comes decreased infrastructure so the USPS can pay it's bills. Even if what you say were true how does that keep anyone from dropping a ballot in the mailbox? I'd like to see anyone who believes the USPS to be a secure delivery system put $5000 cash in an envelope and mail it to themselves.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
Yuu chan said:
To "drop" a ballot in the mailbox your need to first register to vote in person, request a absentee ballot months in advance, then fill it out and sent it back in the designated envelope with matching voter ID numbers. If someone copies the ballot, how will they send it back in a government issued envelope, and when the vote counting system sees that the same ballot ID had been counted twice they'd obviously look into it. Mail in ballots aren't a new thing, they've been around since the civil war. They're a key piece of voter infrastructure for people who live in rural areas or voters who cannot go to a polling station. The only reason people care now is because during the current pandemic more people have requested absentee ballots to avoid going to a polling station and risk getting the virus. It isn't because a bunch of 18 year olds are going to rig the election, it's because 80 year olds don't want to die.
As well, when it comes to your claims about how the USPS is suffering, why were the budget cuts only in places with large populations? You'd expect that if one was making budget cuts due to a lack of mail it would be a equal amount of cuts in all areas. Also, the USPS handles almost 50% of the world's mail, doesn't seem they're suffer too much. Finally, if it was all true and it was because the mail system is obsolete, why did the administration back track on the cutting of mail infrastructure after they got called out by the people for attempting to disinfrachise voters? If it was actually budget cuts you'd assume they'd be able to present the evidence to the people rather than refund the areas, mostly metro areas, so they could handle the ballots again?
I've heard that private mail carrier industries want to USPS to be abolished but Fedex and UPS combined carried the same amount of mail last year that USPS carried in the last 16 days. Especially more than ever in the pandemic the USPS is a vital piece of communication infrastructure.
Your argument about trusting the USPS with 5000$ doesn't make any sense. You could basically say you don't trust them with anything at that point. As well I much prefer to send mail via the government rather than a private business because the government won't try to rip you off like a business would if they lost the mail. Why does the USPS fall under fire for losing more mail than private mail carriers? Just remember the staggering amount of mail the USPS carries over private mail carriers.
Also, the USPS doesn't count the votes, the the job of state election officials, and if they get a bunch of fake votes that have either the same voter registration number as other ballots or non existent registration numbers and they still count them anyways, that's not on the USPS, that's on the fault of the state election officials.
Even if this big conspiracy is true that the radical left is going to make fake ballots and rig the election, that's a lot of work. First of all all the safe guards I've mentioned such as the requirement to be registered, request a ballot months in advance, voter ID numbers, ballot ID numbers, specific return envelopes, and the responsibility of state election officials to count the votes properly. If "the radical left" can bypass all those safe guards and actually trick the government, they'd need millions of votes to have any effect, as well they'd need to operate out of states that are swing states or states that are primarily conservative. The fact of the matter is that a few ballots, if this conspiracy is true, won't make any difference. The current president lost the election by three million votes, yet he's still the one in office.
The defunding of the USPS in primary Democrat cities is a blatant abuse of power and all the evidence and actions taken by the administration show that. Not only is there extreme safe guards in place to prevent voter fraud, the administration also backed off on the defunding after the people called them out. It seems there's many holes in your argument which makes me understand who you as well as others can believe these lies told to you. It's important to look into everything that the government says or does. The great thing about western democracy is how the government is very transparent. I understand that it's easy to hear the first thing said on the news and run with it, but in reality not all news is true and the best thing to do is verify all the facts for yourself.
DuncanEdwards said: Even if what you say were true how does that keep anyone from dropping a ballot in the mailbox?
To "drop" a ballot in the mailbox your need to first register to vote in person, request a absentee ballot months in advance, then fill it out and sent it back in the designated envelope with matching voter ID numbers. If someone copies the ballot, how will they send it back in a government issued envelope, and when the vote counting system sees that the same ballot ID had been counted twice they'd obviously look into it. Mail in ballots aren't a new thing, they've been around since the civil war. They're a key piece of voter infrastructure for people who live in rural areas or voters who cannot go to a polling station. The only reason people care now is because during the current pandemic more people have requested absentee ballots to avoid going to a polling station and risk getting the virus. It isn't because a bunch of 18 year olds are going to rig the election, it's because 80 year olds don't want to die.
As well, when it comes to your claims about how the USPS is suffering, why were the budget cuts only in places with large populations? You'd expect that if one was making budget cuts due to a lack of mail it would be a equal amount of cuts in all areas. Also, the USPS handles almost 50% of the world's mail, doesn't seem they're suffer too much. Finally, if it was all true and it was because the mail system is obsolete, why did the administration back track on the cutting of mail infrastructure after they got called out by the people for attempting to disinfrachise voters? If it was actually budget cuts you'd assume they'd be able to present the evidence to the people rather than refund the areas, mostly metro areas, so they could handle the ballots again?
I've heard that private mail carrier industries want to USPS to be abolished but Fedex and UPS combined carried the same amount of mail last year that USPS carried in the last 16 days. Especially more than ever in the pandemic the USPS is a vital piece of communication infrastructure.
Your argument about trusting the USPS with 5000$ doesn't make any sense. You could basically say you don't trust them with anything at that point. As well I much prefer to send mail via the government rather than a private business because the government won't try to rip you off like a business would if they lost the mail. Why does the USPS fall under fire for losing more mail than private mail carriers? Just remember the staggering amount of mail the USPS carries over private mail carriers.
Also, the USPS doesn't count the votes, the the job of state election officials, and if they get a bunch of fake votes that have either the same voter registration number as other ballots or non existent registration numbers and they still count them anyways, that's not on the USPS, that's on the fault of the state election officials.
Even if this big conspiracy is true that the radical left is going to make fake ballots and rig the election, that's a lot of work. First of all all the safe guards I've mentioned such as the requirement to be registered, request a ballot months in advance, voter ID numbers, ballot ID numbers, specific return envelopes, and the responsibility of state election officials to count the votes properly. If "the radical left" can bypass all those safe guards and actually trick the government, they'd need millions of votes to have any effect, as well they'd need to operate out of states that are swing states or states that are primarily conservative. The fact of the matter is that a few ballots, if this conspiracy is true, won't make any difference. The current president lost the election by three million votes, yet he's still the one in office.
The defunding of the USPS in primary Democrat cities is a blatant abuse of power and all the evidence and actions taken by the administration show that. Not only is there extreme safe guards in place to prevent voter fraud, the administration also backed off on the defunding after the people called them out. It seems there's many holes in your argument which makes me understand who you as well as others can believe these lies told to you. It's important to look into everything that the government says or does. The great thing about western democracy is how the government is very transparent. I understand that it's easy to hear the first thing said on the news and run with it, but in reality not all news is true and the best thing to do is verify all the facts for yourself.
I swore I wasn't going to get into such things here because it's everywhere else and I have things to do that actually matter. But here goes -
I do verify facts for myself. Having been a history major my first time through college I'm well familiar with the process. Unfortunately we have several sets of "facts" here depending on context. And living in a rural area myself I am also intimately familiar with the process of voting in person in the United States. All of my elderly family members are relatively unconcerned about a few minutes spent voting in person. They are familiar with things far more threatening than standing in line. I do confess I'm amazed at the level of detail and interest you posses from someone who spent only six months in the USA.
The majority of cuts in the USPS are in big cities because that's where the surplus is. How do you cut half of a single rural post office? Yes they are in Democratic controlled areas because most of our major cities are run by Democratic politicians. It's nothing malicious it's just the numbers. I think we all know the USPS doesn't count the votes.
Here's but one example of what I'm talking about -
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sos-mailers-sent-by-postal-service-to-nevadans-contain-inaccurate-information-regarding-the-states-voting-process-for-general-election
Everyone registered to vote in Nevada is getting a ballot. This relies upon accurate voter registration which includes dead people, changed addresses, relatives at the same address, etc. Anyone who gets one of these will be able to fill it out and return it. Maybe it arrives, maybe not. It will be easily identifiable by anyone along the way who might want to disrupt it's delivery or return or just fill it out as they see fit. The only way to verify this will be to examine each ballot individually. A challenging and time consuming task under the best of circumstances. The results will wind up in court. There is no way for anyone who mails it in to know if their vote was counted or thrown away. So much for the transparency you mention.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
Obviously, I'm only speaking for myself, but I would very much like it if the UMD forums were not politically charged.
When I come here, I honestly do not care where my fellow wammers come from, or who they voted for. Their politics are irrelevant.
There is only one relevant question: Do they like getting wet/messy and seeing pics/vids of other people getting wet/messy?
If yes, then what difference does it make what their politics are? That's for other forums. Let's dive in and have some fun!
If no, then what the hell are they even doing here?!? If you aren't into WAM, then you don't belong on this site and you should go elsewhere. There are plenty of other forums that have nothing to do with WAM where you can discuss politics to your heart's content.
Sorry, that's my rant for the day. I'm going to go back to looking at messy/muddy pics now. There are some good ones recently...
When I come here, I honestly do not care where my fellow wammers come from, or who they voted for. Their politics are irrelevant.
There is only one relevant question: Do they like getting wet/messy and seeing pics/vids of other people getting wet/messy?
If yes, then what difference does it make what their politics are? That's for other forums. Let's dive in and have some fun!
If no, then what the hell are they even doing here?!? If you aren't into WAM, then you don't belong on this site and you should go elsewhere. There are plenty of other forums that have nothing to do with WAM where you can discuss politics to your heart's content.
Sorry, that's my rant for the day. I'm going to go back to looking at messy/muddy pics now. There are some good ones recently...
I felt inclined as I'm very adiment about stoping the spread of misinformation. I'll avoid politics from now on as I feel the debate ended.
I agree that it's best to stop the spread of misinformation as early as possible. I was just ranting because I love WAM and I don't want to see politics destroy yet another forum that I value.
For what it's worth, I appreciate your perspective and I think you've got the right of it, factually speaking. I know you didn't inject the politics here and I don't blame you for the direction the conversation went.
Yuu chan said:
I agree. I realize it was not in my best judgement to respond, however I felt inclined as I'm very adiment about stoping the spread of misinformation. I'll avoid politics from now on as I feel the debate ended.
WritesNaughtyReviews said: I would very much like it if the UMD forums were not politically charged.
I agree. I realize it was not in my best judgement to respond, however I felt inclined as I'm very adiment about stoping the spread of misinformation. I'll avoid politics from now on as I feel the debate ended.
Point taken, but I guess that the "non wam" forum has a place too, as interest away from the main purposes of of the site!
My understanding of "voter supression" is that it includes setting up systems which make it harder for some groups to take part in the election than others!
For example, the issue of ID is mentioned above.
I understand that many States require photo ID to be shown, either at a polling centre or to obtain a mail ballot.
Fair enough.
Everything reasonable should be done to prevent fraud.
But what if you require forms of ID which are less likely to be held by poorer people and cost money to obtain? I understand that the proportion of black people who hold passports or driving licences is considerably lower than for whites, 63% to 93%.
And if you prevent voting by someone who has changed address since the register was compiled
(and I accept that checks should be made) then you have another barrier against transient populations, often the young!
I read, for example, that in Texas a gun licence is accepted as valid ID, but not a State university ID card!
Surely the checks on ID should be done in a way which everyone should be able to satisfy with equal ease?
Splash me
"Pursuant to Assembly Bill 4 recently passed by the Nevada Legislature and signed by Governor Sisolak, all active registered voters in Nevada will automatically receive a mail-in ballot for the 2020 general election," Cegavske said. "Voters who wish to vote by mail do not need to request a mail-in or absentee ballot this year. "
I know what I read.
The Brookings Institute is a liberal think tank.
I know what I read.
The Brookings Institute is a liberal think tank.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
MrWetShirt said:
My understanding of "voter supression"...
I read, for example, that in Texas a gun licence is accepted as valid ID, but not a State university ID card!
Surely the checks on ID should be done in a way which everyone should be able to satisfy with equal ease?
My understanding of "voter supression"...
I read, for example, that in Texas a gun licence is accepted as valid ID, but not a State university ID card!
Surely the checks on ID should be done in a way which everyone should be able to satisfy with equal ease?
You have a poor understanding of "voter suppression". A university ID can be held by a non-citizen of the United States much less a resident of the polling district. A gun license is updated annually and can only be held by a Texas resident.
Dirty Job but I got to do it 20+ years. Thanks.
Yuu chan said:
I agree. I realize it was not in my best judgement to respond, however I felt inclined as I'm very adiment about stoping the spread of misinformation. I'll avoid politics from now on as I feel the debate ended.
I agree. I realize it was not in my best judgement to respond, however I felt inclined as I'm very adiment about stoping the spread of misinformation. I'll avoid politics from now on as I feel the debate ended.
In my opinion, it was very much in your best judgment to respond as you have, and you should not feel dissuaded for half a second to continue to provide your insights in the future.
DuncanEdwards said:
I take your point.
But surely there are three issues here;
1) to verify ID,
2) to verify nationality,
3) to verify address
So why can a student ID not be sufficient for the first? That contains, as I understand the important photo ID
Could the second and third points not be verified by other documents, rent, utility bills, bank statements etc etc?
Am I wrong in just having a lingering suspicion that you would not be all that bothered if a number of young, often liberal-leaning students were not able to vote?
Was it Voltaire who said something about defending someone else's right to a voice, even if you disagree with them?
And I live in Scotland, for heaven's sake!
What is at about Trump that causes people all around the world to bristle with indignation?
I hope, for all our sakes, that your election is clean, fair and produces an indisputable result.
Mr W
MrWetShirt said:
You have a poor understanding of "voter suppression". A university ID can be held by a non-citizen of the United States much less a resident of the polling district. A gun license is updated annually and can only be held by a Texas resident.
You have a poor understanding of "voter suppression". A university ID can be held by a non-citizen of the United States much less a resident of the polling district. A gun license is updated annually and can only be held by a Texas resident.
I take your point.
But surely there are three issues here;
1) to verify ID,
2) to verify nationality,
3) to verify address
So why can a student ID not be sufficient for the first? That contains, as I understand the important photo ID
Could the second and third points not be verified by other documents, rent, utility bills, bank statements etc etc?
Am I wrong in just having a lingering suspicion that you would not be all that bothered if a number of young, often liberal-leaning students were not able to vote?
Was it Voltaire who said something about defending someone else's right to a voice, even if you disagree with them?
And I live in Scotland, for heaven's sake!
What is at about Trump that causes people all around the world to bristle with indignation?
I hope, for all our sakes, that your election is clean, fair and produces an indisputable result.
Mr W
Splash me
I'm not an expert in the subject, but I'd say gerrymandering and closing polling locations in certain neighborhoods or counties would be good examples of voter suppression.
New York tried mail in ballots this year in one district, just one and they still haven't figured it out. Same politicians who want mail in ballots for safety of 80 year olds also stuck covid patients in nursing homes.
The US postal service is a joke, if you want to mail so.ething important ypu go to FedEx or DHS.
The US postal service is a joke, if you want to mail so.ething important ypu go to FedEx or DHS.
Thank God I live in Australia.
I just watched a debate between 2 grown men that couldn't let the other speak without interruption.
If these are your two best candidates to run the 'greatest country in the world' im deeply concerned...
We have a saying in Australia "Don't speak about religion, politics or football"
This should be added into the code of conduct of this forum, especially one that is meant to bring us together in a messy sloppy mess, not divide us based on the choices we make politically.
Can you imagine going to a strip joint and having an argument with one of the dances about politics? This is one of the only places where its acceptable to 'think with your dick' and not with your brain... can we keep it that way?
Although politics can be messy, lets keep it out of the forums. This can be a release and opportunity for others to escape and forget reality... Lets keep it that way.
Vote for who ever you think will represent you and your family, don't try influence others, let the politicians do the heavy lifting...
Just my 2cents...
I just watched a debate between 2 grown men that couldn't let the other speak without interruption.
If these are your two best candidates to run the 'greatest country in the world' im deeply concerned...
We have a saying in Australia "Don't speak about religion, politics or football"
This should be added into the code of conduct of this forum, especially one that is meant to bring us together in a messy sloppy mess, not divide us based on the choices we make politically.
Can you imagine going to a strip joint and having an argument with one of the dances about politics? This is one of the only places where its acceptable to 'think with your dick' and not with your brain... can we keep it that way?
Although politics can be messy, lets keep it out of the forums. This can be a release and opportunity for others to escape and forget reality... Lets keep it that way.
Vote for who ever you think will represent you and your family, don't try influence others, let the politicians do the heavy lifting...
Just my 2cents...
MessyOZ said:
We have a saying in Australia "Don't speak about religion, politics or football"
We have a saying in Australia "Don't speak about religion, politics or football"
Right, but nine months ago your country was literally on fire while your right-wing PM was busy French kissing a chunk of coal. If you don't like that, you should talk about politics more.
maxandstar said: New York tried mail in ballots this year in one district, just one and they still haven't figured it out. Same politicians who want mail in ballots for safety of 80 year olds also stuck covid patients in nursing homes.
The US postal service is a joke, if you want to mail so.ething important ypu go to FedEx or DHS.
The US postal service is a joke, if you want to mail so.ething important ypu go to FedEx or DHS.
Washington State has been doing mail-in ballots for 40 years and has done ONLY mail-in ballots for 10. Any whining about them is 100% right-wing fucknuts desperately trying to hang on to power and knowing full well that if voting was a lot easier for everyone, they'd never hold a public office again.
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