Obviously, we all have our quirks about what we like and there is probably NOTHING that we all agree on. But there are a few things that I am guessing a very large majority of us agree on and these things are listed in this post.

1. The first pie turns you on way more than, say, pie #14 after she is already covered.

2. Seeing her eyes and reactions are critical to your enjoyment of the scene. (Formless, eyeless blobs being pied again just don't do much for me, anyway.)

3. Good coverage is important. A girl getting hit once and having it only cover one quadrant of her face is a "miss" and very frustrating to watch.

4. The best pies in the face are ones where the girl gets NAILED, as opposed to ones where the hits are weak and fairly pathetic.

Agree? Disagree? What else might be included on this list?

Agreed on all points. Though the first two may be less universal than you think--some people may like increasing coverage, rather than people like me who love it if nearly every pie is the 'first' pie.

I'll add a few that I think might count as 'universal':

-If a scene contains multiple females, each should ideally be pied.
-We should ideally be able to see the entirety of the girl's face for (at a minimum), the couple of seconds before the hit, the hit, and a couple of seconds afterward.
-If a pie tin is involved, we want to see the girl's face after the pie tin drops.
-Lengthy videos should have a decent number of pie hits rather than being 90% scenario, 10% mess

Many other things are non-universal. Here are things I'd imagine vary wildly based on preference:

-Scenario/buildup vs. quick hits
-Face hits vs. other body parts
-Offscreen vs. onscreen pie-ers
-Thrown vs. impact
-Time between each pie
-Cohesive scenario vs. montages
-Type of cream--edible vs. non-edible is the biggest that comes to mind
-Crust vs. non-crust
-Whether Rich should sing Broadway or Disney in the slapstick stuff videos
-How long the pie tin should stay on
-Girl's facial expression in the 2 seconds before the pie hits
-What emotion the pied girl should display (ignore it, laugh, angry, upset, revenge)
-Smash vs. smear
-Ethnicity/body type etc.

I'm not even sure that's true. Some of my best sellers period have been TRUE inequality, AKA one girl gets it over & over and the other stays clean throughout. That said, I'm not sure you could sustain that. Put the same "clean girl" in enough videos and eventually she HAS to get messy.


Eh, I would assume this is universally disliked. Have I *really* sung Disney before? The fake Wonder Woman theme doesn't count!

If only SOMEONE would do research on this stuff.

Not many government grants for pie studies.

I'm definitely on the inequality side of the coin: I seeing one poor girl get hit with it (whether it be pies, slimes, or soakings) over and over while the other stays clean and dry. It's extra humiliating for the mark.

Its interesting seeing other's preferences for what makes a good pie. I'm always glad to share my preferences.

I especially agree on the first three, though on #2 'the reaction' I especially want to see mouth activity like licking of her lips (revealing the lips/lipstick), sputtering, etc.. Revealing the eyes is important too, as the pie drips down.

On #4, the force of the hit can sometimes be too hard for my liking. As long as the creamy substance sticks and adheres, I'm good with the hit. It's also nice when the cream drips down on her breasts (clothed or unclothed).

After about the 2nd or 3rd pie, the pie hits seem redundant to me, unless the target cleans up (or at least wipes themselves down). First hits are by far the most important to me. When I have pied my wife, she wipes down between pies, giving a fresh canvas for the next pie.

Obviously, we all have our quirks about what we like and there is probably NOTHING that we all agree on. But there are a few things that I am guessing a very large majority of us agree on and these things are listed in this post.

1. The first pie turns you on way more than, say, pie #14 after she is already covered. Check

2. Seeing her eyes and reactions are critical to your enjoyment of the scene. (Formless, eyeless blobs being pied again just don't do much for me, anyway.) Weak Check. Not as important as other aspects.

3. Good coverage is important. A girl getting hit once and having it only cover one quadrant of her face is a "miss" and very frustrating to watch. Sorta Check The final result being good coverage is important. But a gradual build getting there is important as well. My thought of a good sequence would be the model struggling to keep some garment from getting it and succeeding for a period of time before that garment gets plastered.

4. The best pies in the face are ones where the girl gets NAILED, as opposed to ones where the hits are weak and fairly pathetic. Sorta Check Depends on how many weak hits and what the final outcome is.

Agree? Disagree? What else might be included on this list?
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Agreed on all points. Though the first two may be less universal than you think--some people may like increasing coverage, rather than people like me who love it if nearly every pie is the 'first' pie.

I'll add a few that I think might count as 'universal':

-If a scene contains multiple females, each should ideally be pied. Check. Best sequence would be of one really well dressed female somehow avoiding mess till the end. Then she gets completely destroyed. Blake Edwards said that the reason he kept The Great Leslie clean throughout the scene was so everyone would be cheering for him to get it. Much better (in my mind) when all the combatants are female but one somehow stays clean. She can even wipe out other models so that their getting revenge is necessary.
-We should ideally be able to see the entirety of the girl's face for (at a minimum), the couple of seconds before the hit, the hit, and a couple of seconds afterward. Check
-If a pie tin is involved, we want to see the girl's face after the pie tin drops. Check
-Lengthy videos should have a decent number of pie hits rather than being 90% scenario, 10% mess Mostly Check. A good story can be fun.

Many other things are non-universal. Here are things I'd imagine vary wildly based on preference:

-Scenario/buildup vs. quick hits Buildup
-Face hits vs. other body parts Face First. But seeing cleavage holding pie is great.
-Offscreen vs. onscreen pie-ers Either Or.
-Thrown vs. impact Both
-Time between each pie At least enough to drink in the damage done by the just thrown pie.
-Cohesive scenario vs. montages Cohesive
-Type of cream--edible vs. non-edible is the biggest that comes to mind As long as it looks good and covers and sticks I don't care.
-Crust vs. non-crust Crust
-Whether Rich should sing Broadway or Disney in the slapstick stuff videos Disney
-How long the pie tin should stay on At least long enough to admire the damage done by the pie.
-Girl's facial expression in the 2 seconds before the pie hits Check
-What emotion the pied girl should display (ignore it, laugh, angry, upset, revenge) All are great.
-Smash vs. smear Smash. No Smear. No Smash Okay, either is fine by me.
-Ethnicity/body type etc. Just so long as the model is into acting the story being told by the producer.

I agree that these all could be "universal" or at least a healthy majority. Good job!

Obviously, we all have our quirks about what we like and there is probably NOTHING that we all agree on. But there are a few things that I am guessing a very large majority of us agree on and these things are listed in this post.

1. The first pie turns you on way more than, say, pie #14 after she is already covered. Check

2. Seeing her eyes and reactions are critical to your enjoyment of the scene. (Formless, eyeless blobs being pied again just don't do much for me, anyway.) Weak Check. Not as important as other aspects.

3. Good coverage is important. A girl getting hit once and having it only cover one quadrant of her face is a "miss" and very frustrating to watch. Sorta Check The final result being good coverage is important. But a gradual build getting there is important as well. My thought of a good sequence would be the model struggling to keep some garment from getting it and succeeding for a period of time before that garment gets plastered.
Garments don't interest me that much.

4. The best pies in the face are ones where the girl gets NAILED, as opposed to ones where the hits are weak and fairly pathetic. Sorta Check Depends on how many weak hits and what the final outcome is.
I'd rather have one good hit that really nails her than 10 weak hits that add up to the same coverage as the one good hit.

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Agreed on all points. Though the first two may be less universal than you think--some people may like increasing coverage, rather than people like me who love it if nearly every pie is the 'first' pie.

I'll add a few that I think might count as 'universal':

-If a scene contains multiple females, each should ideally be pied. Check. Best sequence would be of one really well dressed female somehow avoiding mess till the end. Then she gets completely destroyed. Blake Edwards said that the reason he kept The Great Leslie clean throughout the scene was so everyone would be cheering for him to get it. Much better (in my mind) when all the combatants are female but one somehow stays clean. She can even wipe out other models so that their getting revenge is necessary.
I agree that it can be sexy as hell for one girl to stay clean the whole time because (as Old Man said) it adds to the humiliation.
I also agree that it can be sexy to have one clean girl stay clean until the end and then get nailed. The anticipation is arousing.

-We should ideally be able to see the entirety of the girl's face for (at a minimum), the couple of seconds before the hit, the hit, and a couple of seconds afterward. Check

-If a pie tin is involved, we want to see the girl's face after the pie tin drops. Check

-Lengthy videos should have a decent number of pie hits rather than being 90% scenario, 10% mess Mostly Check. A good story can be fun.
The most ideal for me is a few minutes of setup, then start the pie hits and keep the story going when people are messed up.

Many other things are non-universal. Here are things I'd imagine vary wildly based on preference:

-Scenario/buildup vs. quick hits Buildup
-Face hits vs. other body parts Face First. But seeing cleavage holding pie is great.
-Offscreen vs. onscreen pie-ers Either Or.
-Thrown vs. impact Both
-Time between each pie At least enough to drink in the damage done by the just thrown pie.
-Cohesive scenario vs. montages Cohesive
-Type of cream--edible vs. non-edible is the biggest that comes to mind As long as it looks good and covers and sticks I don't care.
-Crust vs. non-crust Crust
-Whether Rich should sing Broadway or Disney in the slapstick stuff videos Disney
Rich should so some Sinatra stuff.
-How long the pie tin should stay on At least long enough to admire the damage done by the pie.
The pie tin should ideally not stick at all. I hate a lingering pie tin.
-Girl's facial expression in the 2 seconds before the pie hits Check
-What emotion the pied girl should display (ignore it, laugh, angry, upset, revenge) All are great.
I hate laughing and smiling. It's a boner killer.
-Smash vs. smear Smash. No Smear. No Smash Okay, either is fine by me.
-Ethnicity/body type etc. Just so long as the model is into acting the story being told by the producer.
The women can't just be ANY women. They have to be women I find attractive.

I totally agree.
Outfit and clothes. The most formal, glamorous or expensive they are, the better the scene.
The first pie must show the face tottaly covered. Don't need to mess the clothes so immediately.
Must show her reaction. Opening her mouth wide. Not only a close in her face, but also images of her first pie showing the model from head to toe.

Agree with rt2018. The outfits are important and the girls have to look really good first, fully made up etc.Bikinis and swimming costumes don't do it for me. I also like the idea of one girl managing to avoid the mess until the end, when she then gets absolutely pelted with pie after pie.

It depends on context when it comes to pie #14. For example, does she get pie #14 while being fucked in the ass, or is pie #14 used to pie the naughty bits of her body, or does she use pie #14 to smear all over her breasts.

I'm working on it.

You would be AMAZED at what the government grants money for.

That being said...I was referencing the one I did that encompassed about 10-15 years of researching WAM fans and their likes and dislikes that I posted here a few months back.

I definitely agree with point 2 about the victim not being transformed into a blob. It's nice to be able to see the victim's reactions throughout (whether amused, indignant or embarrassed).

However, skits should ideally finish with something big at the end. It might be a gunging, or a barrage or something else. But definitely a big finish.

What sort of big finish do you guys prefer?

Oh, definitely BROADWAY.





[see item # 9 in Avenger314 's list]

I would pick a non-pie humiliation. She gets fired, her lover dumps her, her boss catches her in her state of mess, etc.

I'm not sure if this is universal or even widely supported, and am curious: To me the recipient has to be attractive. So does her outfit. (I have no objections to bikinis but prefer dressed-up.)

I agree with rt2018 and Mr angry.

I like to see a woman who starts smartly dressed before she gets more and more messy, ending really filthy.

I like pies as much as anyone, but prefer to see a good gunging or sliming.

This has been brought up before and is a very good point. I realize that for most pie fans, it's all about the face. Then why promote a girl in a bikini getting pied if the video is from the shoulders up?

Also, a quick (usually blurry) camera pan down the girl's body and back up doesn't add much. I'd love to see an entire girl's body get pied, so that if any clean skin is showing, it gets a pie until she is truly covered. She's gonna need a shower anyways, so why not pie her everywhere? Again, a lot of people only want to see the face pied, but I suppose a different edit of the same shoot could be produced with mostly body hits. One shoot could translate into two videos for sale, or perhaps a third longer option showing it all. Some producers offer panned-out versions where a second camera captures a head-to-toe scene. I'd rather have the close-up camera, but of mess hitting each area individually. (with maybe a panned-back final scenario briefly at the end)

So for those of us who want to see more of the body getting pied, I would love to see certain areas zoomed in on, then pied, then maybe smeared with the model's hands. Just a suggestion.

Figure I'll add my two cents...


Usually, but not always - it depends on the sequence of events and where the 14th pie ends up. For example, there's a really fantastic pie barrage in "Tied and Pied" from PieVids (tws-22-0159) where this model named Victoria just gets annihilated, which happens well after the first time she gets pied. But because of the rhythm of the scene and how she takes the pies, that barrage is hhhhhhhot.


It doesn't have to be the eyes per se, but basically, yeah. I find that people can convey a lot with the tilt of their head or the way their mouth moves after they get pied. But yeah - if I can't even tell that I'm looking at a human, that doesn't do anything for me.


Yep.


I'm also a fan of a good smear, myself - and, actually, I think there's something to be said for when the pie doesn't fully take (so to speak) the first time and she gets hit with the same pie multiple times.


Nah. I'm okay with one ending up clean (or, alternatively, one being pied while another is slimed or messed with mud, etc.).


That sounds right to me.


Also sounds right.


I can't point to an actual instance where I disagree, but I think that says more about the quality of the scenarios than anything else. I can definitely imagine a scenario that would keep me rapt and turned on for a while until the mess finally arrives.


Again, I feel like this is more a matter of execution than principle. Messygirl has some really good slime-first scenes with Lexi, for instance.


Heh - nope, you missed me on this one. I do think it's fun to have a variety of types of pies, but for me it's about colored toppings and fillings; a good chocolate- or fruit-filled pie after a bunch of plain cream pies is something really special, in my opinion.


Yup.


Shrug - to me, this is more a matter of making a cohesive scene. I think many different types or styles of clothing work just fine.


Something, yeah. I don't think it has to be mess, necessarily - depending on what type of scene it is, there are other escalations or climaxes that might fit. But yeah, I'm on board with this.


Yes and no? I think sometimes this can get a little de rigeur - like, "Okay, now for the midriff, and now for the shoulders, and now..." One of my favorite things about pies is that they drip and splatter such that bodies get messy indirectly or accidentally. One of the sexiest things to me is when a pie to the face ends up also splashing onto a woman's cleavage or when a pie to the ass drips down her inner thighs. Personally, I wouldn't want to trade those moments of accidental/secondary mess for more direct pies to, y'know, someone's knees or whatever.

But these are all just my preferences, so don't feel aggrieved or anything if yours are different

Might do my masters degree on WAM for pure banter purposes

Agree completely

I agree. But to elaborate on #4 about being "nailed" good, I think it's critical that the pie also covers the hair as well. That's what does it for me, or if they simply pratfall into a pie with amazing coverage afterwards.
Oh I also forgot to add context. It's important that there is a reason for the pieing.

I agree, a good EXCUSE for why the girl is to be pied is important.

Having recently been provided a chance to review photos of Nadia (MostWAM) being pied over and over again I would add that I prefer seeing girls who are ready to enjoy the experience ... the opposite will be most likely a scripted scene ... and we all know the girl (or girls) are "in the room" for a reason ...

However ... having just said the foregoing I enjoy a good scene in which a girl (woman) has her face pushed into a pie (Casey doing this to Charlotte several times -- in a scripted scene -- was wonderfully done) ...

I guess what I'm saving is that I prefer the girls to enjoy getting messy ... cheers!

My brain only registered NOW that your profile icon is of a cannibal potato eater.

You really ARE Dr. Zoidberg!