The mods must have fucking x-ray vision. I went frame by frame and saw no minors. Maybe they're so paranoid now that they are hallucinating.

Fuck this shit. No wonder so many have left here.

If anyone ever starts a board for mature, serious discussion of WAM scenes, minus the paranoia, please publicize the hell out of it. You'll get a lot of traffic.

If I owned a fetish site I would definitely err on the side of caution to the point of paranoia about this, and I fully support MM running his site this way. You could make your own forum with your own lax rules.

It could be that your one video just isn't worth getting in trouble over. I'd also add that it's likely that they have vastly more experience at what to look for than you do. Erring on the side of caution is an absolute necessity today.

I'd be interested to see a histogram of the rate of new women that have joined ever since the mods started to get more serious about clamping down on amoral crap. My guess is that it has increased. In which case...

Edit: interested enough that I ran the numbers myself, so far as they're available. There was a surge of new female users in 2016, before the TOS Policy & Harassment thread and the TOS change (orange).

"Amoral crap???"

WTF??

Did you even see the video in question? Dude, it's like we're not even speaking the same language.

And what does the gender of the user have to do with it? Are you telling me that more women join because we're clamping down on those horrible "amoral" credit union pie throw videos??

My fucking head is spinning.....

Relax bro. Take a few deep breaths. Not worth raising your blood pressure over. So much good stuff here. Tomorrow is a new day.

No. Your thread was deleted, likely because of legal reasons. I was commenting on the portion of your rationale that found unpersuasive.


With the misogynistic, zero-chill, low-impulse-control climate of a community? Quite a lot.


That thread sucked donkeyballs for sure, but it was not exactly the hallmark I had in mind. I was thinking of the lengthy discussion on harassment and the new TOS, which you'll see in my edited comment above.

@cement , you have 9 posts on this site total and your profile is straight up blank, If you don't like the Terms Of Use you agreed to abide by in using this site feel free too leave. Its spelled out in black and white. Or would you rather go to prison on child porn charges, or be sued for Non consented use of a minor? The T.O.S were changed to protect the site owner and its users from this. I think you need to calm down.

Guys! Guys! After all these years we found our new Trevor!!! What a tool.

I went back and reviewed the original post and I stand by the decision of the host that made it. I did not specifically see a minor, maybe one of the women were teenage, I don't know.

The point is, that the announcer in the video makes it very clear early on that it's a charity for child adoption. What's VISUALLY in or not in the video doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that this is a site that sells and discusses adult content.

Do you see the problem here?

Honestly, I understand that this is a case of being extremely cautious, and while I don't see how anything in the video could seriously be called porn in any court in the land, it seems that the mere association of the clip with anything even tenuously related to children is enough. IOW, if the clip had been for an adult or generic charity, it would have been left alone? Or for that matter why can't the mods tell the poster specifically what the problem is, and give them a chance to fix the problem if possible? Like, the audio track on that clip could be edited in about 3 seconds to eliminate the reference to child charities. Or if there is a video with a quick "blink and you miss it" glimpse of a minor as the camera pans a crowd, it would be simple to just chop out a few frames.

But the bottom line is I guess any discussion, link, reference, or discussion about anything that is not 100% actual porn is forbidden here. Or should be. After all, without model releases, how do you know that ANYBODY in ANY mainstream clip is a minor or not. But when I see other mainstream or "classic" clips being posted and discussed -- videos in which actual children actually appear, however brief and transient (**cough**STARLAND**cough**) as opposed to the video that was deleted, it seems the policy is not applied uniformly. Or perhaps suspended for producers who are paying advertisers...I dunno.

Enough time wasted here.

You don't get it. It's not about what a court would say. It's about the fuss that comes from people who accidentally come across this being referenced at a sex fetish site while looking for something completely innocent. To the outside world it looks perverted and gets complaints sent to the internet host, generates negative publicity, etc. This is not good for what I would think are obvious reasons. It's not worth one little video clip to have to deal with that. Things are a little different when it's something from television or movies that are already out there in the public domain.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand unless you just love being the victim of nothing.

"Mods", "Hosts", whatever you want to call us are just users too. I'm not on UMD payroll, and I check things throughout the day as I can between doing other things. I'll have even less time once I start full time work back up.

Needless to say, we don't/can't see everything.

You don't have charity BDSM videos for a children's hospital, or to raise funds for adoption for instance. Nor do you for for a handful of other fetishes/kinks.

WAM done for purposes of slapstick is generally non-sexual, I get that, we all get that. But as someone above just said; here on this site, two threads down is a woman cracking an egg into another woman's anus.

Context is king. UMD is not a linkhub anymore, it's grown out of that and continues to grow. It's a site that has brought fetishists and producers alike together in a hub, and now hosts content. If ALL of that content were focused on PG content, this might not be an issue. However, that isn't the case.

No matter how you look at it, this is a kink / fetish site. If it shows kids, has to do with kids, is for a kids cause, is obviously something that shouldn't be linked to an adult site, etc. Then DON'T LINK IT HERE.

lets get real....

slapstick wam gets jerked off to. therefore it is porn.....by association.

but hell, i know men who could jerk it to a picture of a corn cob so....BUT if it is HERE on this FETISH FORUM?? SLAPSTICK, FULLY DRESSED, MESSY, NON MESSY OR WHATEVER IT IS CONSIDERED PORN BY ASSOCIATION. what the person said above. ^^ EXACTLY.

how do you think leon and the gang do so well?? bc men and women BUY those fully clothed videos to see what kind of pantyhose they are wearing or just because they want to watch a game show?? NO. people dont typically spend their hard earned money on something they dont jerk it to.

i mean, messmaster makes the rules and he has been here over 20 years for a reason. yeah, me and mm have had our disagreements about stuff but never about this. he knows more about what goes and doesnt than any of us on this note. i will not question this. this is the place i make my living, like my actual LIVING. i teach on the side but this is where I MAKE MY LIVING TO TAKE CARE OF MY OFFSPRING AND MYSELF.....i will do NOTHING to compromise this place. m.m. makes his living here too.....so you can see why people are extra careful. THIS IS WHERE WE LITERALLY FEED OURSELVES. not only that, its a place to express ourselves in a really cool way. why mess that up?? over something so small??

i understand you are frustrated and we are all allowed to feel emotions and be frustrated but after hearing what everyone is telling you, maybe you should kinda cool it. seriously, pick your battles. this one is silly to get upset over and we dont want to lose another member! its over and done and now, just move on and have fun with the rest of us!!!

I bet Jayce won't even respond to my request that she take a picture with a corncob.

We all just want a safe place and not to add any evil into the world. The human traffickers get enough platforms to hunt on. UMD should be good clean messy fun.