We are planning on filming a point of view video with a go pro on The Plunga! so people can get a visual idea of what it's like to be plunged into 3,000 litres of thick slime.
We plan to film the build-up with a female host and a male host. Time allowing.

In the video, the bottom half of the stooge who has to wear the go pro and be plunged for no reason than to capture this, will be in shot probably a few times when on the ramp. So, our question is what should he wear?

It'll be mostly anonymous (in terms of the victim) with no voice and there will be no other identifiable marks and you will not see his face, the plan is to create a generic setting so anybody could imagine themselves in the position.

We were thinking of non-intrusive black trousers and black socks but any suggestions welcomed?

IMHO the female gungee should be bare foot, and the camera should show some shots of her bare feet and IMHO it'd be really cool if they were in either a blue or yellow t-shirt so it would look like they were being gunged on GYOB

Y'all definitely missed the memo when they said ANYONE. Please let's not get our bare foot fetish into the conversation and actually give the team a response.

Yes, black everything... or white everything... but something neutral.

Personally if I were in your position about to do this I would strongly consider shoving them in either a blue or green morph suit (whichever colour is furthest away from the gunge you are using so if using green gunge go with a blue morph suit).

Fix the camera angles and shoot a version with the chair coming down without anyone on at all. Then what you film with them in the morph suit can be chromakeyed out and the GoPro mounted on their head can also be removed using the no one in seat footage to replace the background element it occluded.

Why do all this?

Here's why:

As well as capturing the footage that you want to create a simple POV video to sell you've also got the footage necessary to create a couple more things with the same footage...

1. You can then remove the occupant in the video and replace them with an animated character which you could then package and sell as a brief quiz game. I don't know what software you have available but back when I was doing more 3D modelling and animation I had a go at using Blender and MakeHuman (both free though the first has a steep learning curve) to try a hand at some animated WAM. Only problem at the time was that the fluid sim in Blender was majorly bugged around liquids remaining stuck to moving objects. However the fluid sim has been completely overhauled since then (as has the entire UI) such that not only would it likely be possible to completely CGI it but if you have the reference footage from someone going in in a morph suit then you may be able to skip having to simulate the most difficult bits.

Given the way the simulated parts would work you could then easily create a couple player avatars in MakeHuman for people to select various playing characters ranging across genders, physical appearances and clothing.

The coding bits for such a quiz game would be relatively straightforward in comparison to the above.


2. If you also went to the extent of the stooge using a GoPro Max with the wide fisheye lens to capture 180 degree video and instruct them to ensure they avoid moving their head looking to the side through out filming (when editing for the regular video pan within the field of view captured of where you think people will be looking - ie between host and the gunge). With this you could also potentially sell it either as a VR 360 degree (more 180 degree as obviously GoPro Max being strapped to head will have forehead for back view) video or even potentially VR quiz game if you take the previous example further. Similarly you could also overlay animated CGI model legs over the morph suit legs so you could sell a couple of versions with various legs such as men's legs in jeans to women's legs with skirt so that you can cater to a wider audience who can look down in the VR experience and see legs more like their own.



Anyway I realise a lot of that sounds like a big pain in the arse when you were just planning to do 1 POV video but the special effects/animator part of me just saw the potentials here and thought I'd chuck them out there for if you ever did want to do either a full VR video experience or an interactive Plunga game - either 2D for mobile/PC or VR then you wouldn't need to shoot half this stuff over again and could kill two birds with one stone now especially if what the person going in the plunga is wearing doesn't matter and you're going to cover up the face anyway.

Not in jeans? For charity?

Yes barefeet all the way

Just so no one feels mislead we want to make clear that the full emphasis is on the *female* model gunging the viewer. (A male if we have time). So the focus is fully on the girl not the camera holder.

Just so everyone knows.

Disclaimer: LiquidX did not put this in the male category

Interesting, because my settings are 'male / strict' and it showed up on mine.

Your original post reference to the person in the chair with "he" and "his", someone reported it as wrong gender, and one of the admins then changed the post to male. If the gender of the person to be gunged hasn't been selected, or is meant to be neutral, shoukd probably have used they/them instead of he/him.

Bear I mind most people take things literally, so you use he/him in a thread and many will immediately assume male wam.

I'll change it to coed, but no guarantee it won't get reported again.

White clothes. Black won't show the gunge nearly as much and part of the fantasy of going down the Plunga is to see yourself fully covered after. Black won't do that. White is the way to go.

This also comes from 20 years in community theater and short movies as a technical director. You want it to show as much as you can to help the scene.

No, because we believe that would be misleading to our viewers. If there is even a 5 second glimpse of someones leg or foot in shot we think we should be transparent about the gender so as not to deceive anyone.


That implies that both a male and female are getting messy. That is not the case. Again that is incorrect labelling. I'm sorry but n/a is the most descriptive as it is about the viewer. Unless we can work out the gender of the camera lens

In which case it needs to be coed.


That's a common misconception but is incorrect. You might want to refer to the ToS sections on gender tagging and "one sided wam", but also consider the audience your post will reach:

People who have selected "Female, Strict" want to only see posts about women. They very specifically do not want to come across any posts or scenes with males in, regardless of whether they get messy or not. By tagging your post about a man going down the Plunga as "N/A", you are forcing your "man getting gunged" post into their feed. This isn't acceptable, you do not have the right to over-ride their preferences.

Those who have their preference set to "Female, non-strict" are less bothered, they mainly want to see women getting messy but don't mind if there are also men in scenes, and mostly won't object to your proposed scene appearing in their feed if there are women in it, even if they stay dry (though mostly they'll want that made clear in the description). By setting your scene to coed, it will appear in the feeds of those whos preferences are set to "Any", "non-stricty Female", and "non-strict Male". It won't appear in the feeds of thoe who's preferences are set to "Strict Female" or "Strict Male", which is correct - the "Strict Female" users don't want anything with men in, and the "Strict Male" users don't want anything with women in, in any capacity (including just being host / staying dry).

The point of the gender tagging is it describes who appears in the scene (or is mentioned in the post), **not** who actually gets messy.

Hence for your proposed scene, where a male will go down the Plunga with a female compare in the scene, "coed" is the correct tag.

"N/A" is for discussions of gunge tank valves, or payment methods, or other items where people of any gender do not really feature.

Thank you for your response, we will reply to your points above.

N/A is neither strict male or female so I don't quite understand why that is relevant at all? You moved it to strict male, not us?

We rightly chose n/a so it wouldn't appear on strict gender settings and it sounds like we were right to do so.

It is a non-gendered POV but as we've made perfectly clear some of the camera operator could appear in shot hence we are asking how this can be made neutral. Suggesting a male is the focus of the video would be misleading to people who want to see men get messy. It is a POV only.

No gender is getting messy on video, we've explained that above quite clearly. A camera is getting messy. It's all about the viewers perspective. Coed is most certainly misleading.

You've just said that coed is a common misconception here... if that is the case, then that proves our point and that would imply that its misleading to people here and needs attention?

I would respecfully suggest that catagorizing is left to the producers who create the posts as they know accurately what they are creating and who they are targeting. Anything else is just guess work.
It is always when other people interfere that things tend to go wrong.

So once again, I state just for our own disclaimer, regardless of how others choose to categorize this post, LiquidX wants to make clear that we beleive wholeheartedly that this post is n/a to not mislead viewers here. That is our stance and will remain that way. I think that's a fair open and transparent response.

That sounds very well thought out. Thank you.

I don't think we would sell enough videos of this in order to justify the work hours involved.

But a good idea though

Have taken note of your ideas and feedback. Thank you

No, completely wrong. Setting something to N/A means it appears in *everyone's* feed, regardless of strict or otherwise gender settings. N/A is for discussion of entirely non-gendered subjects like gunge tank valves or payment methods. The only situation in which a post about an actual gunge scene could be N/A would be if the scene entirely featured non-humanoid androids. A scene with R2D2 from Star Wars getting gunged would be N/A. Anything with humans (or humanoids, like sex dolls) in it needs to be one of Male, Female, Coed, or Trans, according to the gender(s) of the human(oid)s involved.

You set your post, which you have cleary stated the scene it's about will feature male and female hosts, and a male stooge, to N/A. That caused it to appear in the feeds of people who have their preferences set to "Female, Strict", which in turn resulted in the post being reported. The admin who dealt with that report then changed your post to "Male". You objected to that several posts up, and on examination of your original post I can see that you mention there being both male and female hosts in the proposed POV scene. Which means the correct tagging of it to my mind should be Coed, so it appears in the feeds ot those who are set to non-strict Male or non-strict Female, or Any, but not those who are set to Strict Male or Strict Female.

You are fundamentally misunderstanding what N/A is for.


No, it is not. You've stated your POV scene will have a male and a female host. That makes it Coed, by definition. Here's the quote from your original post:

If you set that to "Female", strict female people will object because there's a man in it.
If you set that to "Male", strich male people will object because there is a woman in it.
If you set it to "N/A", then everyone with strict settings will object because they are finding a gender they don't want to see in their feeds.

Setting it to Coed solves all of these problems, and gives you a larger audience than if it was set to Male or Female.

As I said previously, the wishes of the users of this site to set their preferences and have them respected are paramount. A great deal of admin time is spent correcting things that have been incorrectly tagged, the most common issue being producers not including the male model in a multi-person coed scene resulting in it being incorrectly tagged female, which then creates a barage of complaints. Admins have to correct the forum post and then flag the underlying scene to MM to add the male model and update it, and inform the producer that they must include the male model in any scene that a male appears in, so that it then gets automatically tagged Coed, and hence does not appear in the feeds of people with "Female, Strict" set.


Sorry, but no. N/A will be seen by everyone regardless of gender setting and regardless of strict/non-strict. It should *only* be used for things like the construction of gunge devices, payment methods, and similar issues. Anything with people involved, and especially with people getting messy, needs to be one of Male, Female, Coed, or Trans.

Think of it this way: If your post is generating complaints, then you're annoying users. That's not a good way to encourage sales or interest in your content. If on the other hand you work with the site rules to ensure your posts are only seen by those who don't mind them, you're achieving far more positive engagement.

We've made our position perfectly clear and that will not be changing. You have misunderstood the post whereas other responders appear to have understood just fine. I think you are just arguing for arguing's sake here. We are not prepared to mislead viewers for what you have openly admitted are misconstrued categories here. We are not prepared to do that.

So, keeping it on topic...

The best solution for those viewers who want to make a valuable contribution without the politics & bureaucracy and join us in creating this amazing POV video plus hundreds more for everyone to enjoy...

Follow us on Twitter @Messyworld (female)
Or @MessyworldGuys (male)

This specific video will be created on both as it's for everyone and not gender specific so we'll move discussion to there so it's more about great wam content and having fun, less politics and arguing.

Plus you get loads of free content

There, that should solve it. Everybody wins.

From what we can see above everyone is perfect happy and making positive contributions

Sorry to be blunt but as a website that has grown to the size of ours and continues to grow and expand at a fairly rapid rate, you can probably take it that we know what we are doing

I apologize for any confusion with how we apply gender categories! This original topic asked what "he" should wear and mentioned that you won't see "his" face, so it's understandable that an admin saw that and changed it to the male tag at first. When LiquidX later mentioned that it would be females OR males doing the gunging, it was changed to coed.

Now it's clear this will be a POV-style video where you can only see the person who is delivering the action, but not the recipient (who is supposed to be you!). So the post should be tagged with the gender of who we do see on-camera, who LiquidX said would likely be female but also possibly male. With both female and male subjects the post should be coed, not n/a. Our n/a tag is really only for when gender is literally not applicable, like if there are no human participants at all.

Peace,
Messmaster

I'll reiterate again we are not changing our position or response because we respectfully don't want not mislead our viewers or have people getting the wrong idea. Just protecting our own interests and clarifying what *we* feel for transparancy for the benefit of the people on this thread. It's entirely UMD's choice of course how they categorize things, but we'd simply like to politely distance ourselves from that as a general disclaimer and make clear that we are not marketing it in that way, even if UMD do. I hope you can understand why we are doing this. Just so everyone knows where we stand.

While a far more professional and dignified answer (perhaps the other mod you have could learn from you) I wonder if you might want to look at your tagging as the other mod even admitted to these titles being a "common misconception"? Just a thought?

But as stated earlier, we are doing the video on twitter now as we didn't feel the vibe presented here really suited what we want to achieve by your mods rather passive aggressive accusatory and unwelcoming tone. So, please all feel welcome to come and enjoy making the video with us, inputting and helping create on our twitter feeds, plus follow our plunga updates and come and have fun with us without any bureaucracy, politics or passive aggressive comments the vibe is always sexy, messy and buzzing with us and nothing else

Can't wait to get these videos filmed this weekend, it's going to be amazing. Our best ever. We're very excited.

And we have a bit of a surprise

Barefoot

"pissed that the thread was removed"

Very adult. Whoever wrote that needs to have moderator access revoked. Inflammatory.

Here's a pic to keep it on topic. Coming to Liquid X soon....

@Jonny From The Block.
I think you'll find that the Liquid X account is engaging in off-topic discussions AND your image is also off-topic.

I wrote that. That was the truth as I knew it after talking with him. The note also agreed that it shouldn't have been removed and explained why I undeleted the whole thread.

My image is off topic???

Thought the generalist topic was messy folk. Continue talking about parsnips and whatever

As you were.