Man, I love bucket scenes. I hope we get to see more, and I'm glad there are producers willing to make them. The big question I think we're all wondering is what exactly is too much for this site? I know it's been tried before, but the weren't around for too long. Apparently they weren't suitable for sale here. I get there are rules that need to be followed. Are there any guidelines on how to create an acceptable pit scenes that can be sold on UMD? What exactly constitutes as too much?

This stuff is the bees knees

Great to read this post, I have some current information as a producer since we are right now in the process of approving my scenes in the pit that were eliminated in December.

As some here already know at the end of last year I uploaded several scenes in the pit (6 at that time) and they were available for a while but then they disappeared. After several revisions, tomorrow they will go on sale again in a trial period.

I think MM is the one to give you the details of what can or cannot be done to prevent your scenes from being deleted, but mainly the model must look safe and that she is not trapped or tied up and in a dangerous situation.

I hope everything passes the review and I can upload all the new scenes in the fun pit that I have recorded this year and that everyone here can see and enjoy them.

Good news for Pit Fans!

That's great news! I do think those rules are still a little too ambiguous. "Dangerous situation" is a scenario that plays out a lot on this site. For pit scenes in particular, maybe including a second wide angle would satisfy that requirement.

That's a really good question.
I'd say explore and learn along the way sense I don't know what the answer is. You could also reach out to messmaster or moderators to

If this is a genre that's going to flourish, I think it's better if everyone gets that answer. I'd hate it if I were to make a scene thinking it was good, only to find out later it isn't. Precedent is a hard one to go by because there have not been that many scenes so far.

Where is that from, is it yours?

The pit scenes from Bagheera are incredible. One of the reasons I'm into extreme WAM scenarios is the fear of drowning. Of course it has to be done in a safe way and not actually dangerous. But I like the fantasy of being in something like the slime pit and fearing it.

Not mine, but it is an amazing video available from another awesome producer!

https://umd.net/download_info/nikki-in-a-box

I have some scenes where I have recorded 2 different angles, that could be a good demonstration that the whole situation is "under control" and would give viewers another perspective of the model and the mess. In my new scenes I zoom out further to have a full body view, I think you'll like them even more than the first ones.

I like seeing mostly the closeup view of the face and I don't want to lose being able to see the details of what's happening to them. But it is nice to also see some shots of the person administering the mess and see her enjoying herself and being mean.

If you're doing a scene where you're torturing a guy, then I would lean towards showing more of the wide shots showing you. As a straight guy, I don't want to stare at just a guy for the whole video. Especially at the beginning when his face his clean.

And a bucket instead of "drowning" in a full-size quicksand pit is different because....? I'd think it'd be a bit more difficult for one videographer to get in and rescue a model from a claypit or an ooblek vat than pulling off a bucket if things go south, no? Someone walk me through the logic here.

It has The Slime Cave watermark

This discussion is not really about the logic, just the rules. I don't know where the line gets drawn, and I don't set the rules for UMD. If UMD doesn't want something, it's their right to get rid of it. I'd rather focus on figuring out what we can have. I'm willing to spend money on this type of product. If UMD has rules, I want to follow those rules until the product no longer resembles the thing I want. At that point, I won't be spending my money.

what if it's her pussy in the bucket?

just throwing the idea out there.

Aaaand, we're back. So no more pics. This thread is meant for discussion anyway on how we can support this kind of content.

I am also a huge fan of pit scenes. I have ordered a few custom pit scenes from Bagheera (some of which are on UMD) with another few on the way.
I think we can support them being made by ordering customs and supporting the producers. Being able to tailor the scene with choice of model and mess is amazing!

Ok I'm out of the loop here. Is there like a controversy or something wrong with the concept?

They were originally banned for being too extreme as it appeared the models had no way to extricate themselves if they wanted out - being able to withdraw consent and exit a scene is regarded as very important. In the UK for instance, if a model is gagged, they must have one hand free, so they can indicate "stop" if they need to.

But I gather MM has been in discussion with the billing compliance people to see whether such scenes can be sold here and what conditions are required.

TBH the reason all the pics are gone from this thread is because it was deleted and then undeleted - doing that nukes all the pics in a thread. But probably is best if this one is kept just for discussion while all the kinks (pardon the pun ) are worked out.

BTW, I do like the idea of a lying down scene that focuses mainly on submerging the (fully clothed) model's lower trunk, crotch, and upper legs in gloop. Someone wearing shiny shorts, or proper high-waist 2" leg Daisy Dukes, and it's the shorts area that gets the gloop, at least to start with.

It must be really weird to have to go to a credit-card company and ask their approval of strange, obscure fetish videos. I wonder what that job is like, how they hire exactly and what horrors they've seen.

Twenty years ago nobody would have predicted that Visa and Mastercard would end up ultimately being in charge of the pornography industry.

What constitutes a 'pit' in this discussion? Is Mud Mad Phil's mudpit a pit, for instance? Or Messygirl's backyard mud scenes? I wasn't aware this was an issue until now. (I'm probably missing the point entirely, in which case, apologies!)

True, but 20 years ago nobody would have believed that a major video site would allow multiple repeat anonymous uploads of rape videos of children, which is what led to the Mastercard clampdown.

No, not a mudpit, completely different. Imagine a model lying on their back, face up, on the floor. They you built a funnel-shaped pit round their head, sealed against their neck so it doesn't leak. And then you fill that with gunge till their face is entirely submerged below the surface.

A producer did a set of scenes like that a couple of months ago but they were banned for being too extreme, because there was no obvious way for the model to extricate themselves. But I gather some kind of a deal is now being worked out to allow them with conditions.

Would be interesting to know what the safety case is for them.

I'd love to have an example posted, but that isn't allowed ATM. These are turbulent waters we tread.

I have been told that guidelines are forthcoming so maybe there is a rainbow afterall.

Most of the pictures posted here are scenes that are currently being sold in the store which makes the original deletion of the entire thread incredibly confusing which is honestly the reason this thread exist in the first place. Some of the pics are from vids that weren't even ever sold on this site. How am I suppose to know what's been banned or not? We don't know what's right and what's wrong at the moment, and we need a place to discuss it in a public forum which is how it seems most convos go around here.

It's definitely my fault for asking the hard questions, but I feel somebody has to ask them. Otherwise, how are we ever going to find out? That's why I'm not interested in throwing shade on anybody. I'm more interested in making sure that content of this type can still be made and producers wouldn't have to worry about skirting the line between acceptable or not.

Asking those questions has definitely created more questions, but I've gotten a few answers out of it. I'm not qualified to be the mouthpiece of policy here, but some answers you can glean from this thread.

So, if this is a billing issue, are we able to discuss and post pictures of (pehaps more extreme) custom pit scenes that are not sold on UMD?