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"Oil Questions"
Love you, tooSaturation Hall, Langstonedale
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We're planning to do a day of fully dressed oil shoots with Honeysuckle and Miss Abigail fairly soon, using sunflower oil.
I know that oil will destroy latex, and presumably also elastic-based materials like spandex, however how immediate is the effect - if say a swimsuit was worn in an oil scene, completely soaked in oil during the shoot, but then washed immediately afterwards, would the oil still ruin the spandex?
Up till now we've tended to assume any oil scene is basically all about cotton and denim, as materials that won't be harmed by it, plus jeans or other denims really glisten when soaked in oil, even more than they do when soaking wet with water. But wondering what other materials might be OK to oil up if we wash them promptly when the shooting day ends?
A point Honeysuckle raised that I'd not thought of before, a model drenched in oil would be at risk of serious burns were a fire to break out during a shoot. To that end we've just installed a wet chemical fire extinguisher (the type recommended for oil/fat fires) in the dungeon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? Some years ago, before she came to Langstonedale, Honeysuckle had to escape from a burning building, so she has a sharper sense of planning escape routes, even when covered in custard, than most folk do.
Should also probably mention Candy's most useful guide-blog article on oil, which we're already following in terms of getting oil out of hair and off skin and clothes after shoots.
https://www.spotlesssploshing.com/post/preparing-sploshing-with-cleaning-up-runny-oils-a-full-guide
Edit: A couple of pics to whet the appetite for oil, from a double-denim oil scene we shot with Fidelity and new friend Charity, in the dungeon, a couple of weekends ago.
I know that oil will destroy latex, and presumably also elastic-based materials like spandex, however how immediate is the effect - if say a swimsuit was worn in an oil scene, completely soaked in oil during the shoot, but then washed immediately afterwards, would the oil still ruin the spandex?
Up till now we've tended to assume any oil scene is basically all about cotton and denim, as materials that won't be harmed by it, plus jeans or other denims really glisten when soaked in oil, even more than they do when soaking wet with water. But wondering what other materials might be OK to oil up if we wash them promptly when the shooting day ends?
A point Honeysuckle raised that I'd not thought of before, a model drenched in oil would be at risk of serious burns were a fire to break out during a shoot. To that end we've just installed a wet chemical fire extinguisher (the type recommended for oil/fat fires) in the dungeon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? Some years ago, before she came to Langstonedale, Honeysuckle had to escape from a burning building, so she has a sharper sense of planning escape routes, even when covered in custard, than most folk do.
Should also probably mention Candy's most useful guide-blog article on oil, which we're already following in terms of getting oil out of hair and off skin and clothes after shoots.
https://www.spotlesssploshing.com/post/preparing-sploshing-with-cleaning-up-runny-oils-a-full-guide
Edit: A couple of pics to whet the appetite for oil, from a double-denim oil scene we shot with Fidelity and new friend Charity, in the dungeon, a couple of weekends ago.
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Hey thanks for the mention. I'm working on some updates to that article specifically to do with latex, not finished yet but this roughly the gist of it...
I've used latex with oily things before, it's fine for the length of a filming time, just clean it asap, handwashing is great with dish soap. Whatever you wash it with, rinse really well as soap is derived from oil too and can be a bit harsh.
Full confession I do mine in the washing machine, but I'd be scared to directly recommend that for anyone else so I'll continue to say handwashing is best because it very likely is, much more gentle and less time for potential damage and you can get it dried and protected more quickly.
Despite my washing machine laziness it does still come out with a lot of water trapped, so I pat it dry, lay it flat on towels and with a towel in between the front and back layers so it doesn't stick to itself and apply latex shiner/restorer.
Then a new recommendation I have is to put it in its own clean and clear plastic Ziploc type bag - I had a beautiful pink latex dress that got ruined because it was stored with some black PVC, and the colour leached out onto the pink dress and nothing can be done once it's absorbed.
As for spandex and elastic, I had never considered that but I haven't noticed any problems or anything wearing out too soon if it got oily. I'd suggest washing asap same as with full latex, and if you use a dryer, put it on the synthetics setting.
Fire - I think it would take a very high temperature directly applied to the skin to set any oil on fire, and with conscious people awake at a shoot, if there was a fire of any kind you'd (and your smoke alarm) would have found it and got out way before any risk of that temperature being anywhere near a human, but it never hurts to be careful and make sure models feel comfortable and safe and that there are 'just in case' options.
We have two very easy exit options to the studio but I have been thinking about fire extinguishers as well recently.
Another safety tip from Ariel Andersson for if there are only two of you present at a shoot (or handy anytime I guess) is to have a phone nearby that can be voice activated to dial emergency services via Siri or similar, in case you need to be using your hands to administer first aid or free someone from bondage or control a fire etc.
I've used latex with oily things before, it's fine for the length of a filming time, just clean it asap, handwashing is great with dish soap. Whatever you wash it with, rinse really well as soap is derived from oil too and can be a bit harsh.
Full confession I do mine in the washing machine, but I'd be scared to directly recommend that for anyone else so I'll continue to say handwashing is best because it very likely is, much more gentle and less time for potential damage and you can get it dried and protected more quickly.
Despite my washing machine laziness it does still come out with a lot of water trapped, so I pat it dry, lay it flat on towels and with a towel in between the front and back layers so it doesn't stick to itself and apply latex shiner/restorer.
Then a new recommendation I have is to put it in its own clean and clear plastic Ziploc type bag - I had a beautiful pink latex dress that got ruined because it was stored with some black PVC, and the colour leached out onto the pink dress and nothing can be done once it's absorbed.
As for spandex and elastic, I had never considered that but I haven't noticed any problems or anything wearing out too soon if it got oily. I'd suggest washing asap same as with full latex, and if you use a dryer, put it on the synthetics setting.
Fire - I think it would take a very high temperature directly applied to the skin to set any oil on fire, and with conscious people awake at a shoot, if there was a fire of any kind you'd (and your smoke alarm) would have found it and got out way before any risk of that temperature being anywhere near a human, but it never hurts to be careful and make sure models feel comfortable and safe and that there are 'just in case' options.
We have two very easy exit options to the studio but I have been thinking about fire extinguishers as well recently.
Another safety tip from Ariel Andersson for if there are only two of you present at a shoot (or handy anytime I guess) is to have a phone nearby that can be voice activated to dial emergency services via Siri or similar, in case you need to be using your hands to administer first aid or free someone from bondage or control a fire etc.
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CandyCustard said: Hey thanks for the mention. I'm working on some updates to that article specifically to do with latex, not finished yet but this roughly the gist of it...
I've used latex with oily things before, it's fine for the length of a filming time, just clean it asap, handwashing is great with dish soap. Whatever you wash it with, rinse really well as soap is derived from oil too and can be a bit harsh.
Full confession I do mine in the washing machine, but I'd be scared to directly recommend that for anyone else so I'll continue to say handwashing is best because it very likely is, much more gentle and less time for potential damage and you can get it dried and protected more quickly.
Despite my washing machine laziness it does still come out with a lot of water trapped, so I pat it dry, lay it flat on towels and with a towel in between the front and back layers so it doesn't stick to itself and apply latex shiner/restorer.
Then a new recommendation I have is to put it in its own clean and clear plastic Ziploc type bag - I had a beautiful pink latex dress that got ruined because it was stored with some black PVC, and the colour leached out onto the pink dress and nothing can be done once it's absorbed.
As for spandex and elastic, I had never considered that but I haven't noticed any problems or anything wearing out too soon if it got oily. I'd suggest washing asap same as with full latex, and if you use a dryer, put it on the synthetics setting.
Fire - I think it would take a very high temperature directly applied to the skin to set any oil on fire, and with conscious people awake at a shoot, if there was a fire of any kind you'd (and your smoke alarm) would have found it and got out way before any risk of that temperature being anywhere near a human, but it never hurts to be careful and make sure models feel comfortable and safe and that there are 'just in case' options.
We have two very easy exit options to the studio but I have been thinking about fire extinguishers as well recently.
Another safety tip from Ariel Andersson for if there are only two of you present at a shoot (or handy anytime I guess) is to have a phone nearby that can be voice activated to dial emergency services via Siri or similar, in case you need to be using your hands to administer first aid or free someone from bondage or control a fire etc.
I've used latex with oily things before, it's fine for the length of a filming time, just clean it asap, handwashing is great with dish soap. Whatever you wash it with, rinse really well as soap is derived from oil too and can be a bit harsh.
Full confession I do mine in the washing machine, but I'd be scared to directly recommend that for anyone else so I'll continue to say handwashing is best because it very likely is, much more gentle and less time for potential damage and you can get it dried and protected more quickly.
Despite my washing machine laziness it does still come out with a lot of water trapped, so I pat it dry, lay it flat on towels and with a towel in between the front and back layers so it doesn't stick to itself and apply latex shiner/restorer.
Then a new recommendation I have is to put it in its own clean and clear plastic Ziploc type bag - I had a beautiful pink latex dress that got ruined because it was stored with some black PVC, and the colour leached out onto the pink dress and nothing can be done once it's absorbed.
As for spandex and elastic, I had never considered that but I haven't noticed any problems or anything wearing out too soon if it got oily. I'd suggest washing asap same as with full latex, and if you use a dryer, put it on the synthetics setting.
Fire - I think it would take a very high temperature directly applied to the skin to set any oil on fire, and with conscious people awake at a shoot, if there was a fire of any kind you'd (and your smoke alarm) would have found it and got out way before any risk of that temperature being anywhere near a human, but it never hurts to be careful and make sure models feel comfortable and safe and that there are 'just in case' options.
We have two very easy exit options to the studio but I have been thinking about fire extinguishers as well recently.
Another safety tip from Ariel Andersson for if there are only two of you present at a shoot (or handy anytime I guess) is to have a phone nearby that can be voice activated to dial emergency services via Siri or similar, in case you need to be using your hands to administer first aid or free someone from bondage or control a fire etc.
The suggestion for a voice activated emergency services is phenomenal! Such a great idea and we will work into our messy adventures! Thank you for sharing
~~Mrs
Stay messy, friends!
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
CandyCustard said: Hey thanks for the mention.
No problem, it's a useful resource. We followed the "shampoo before water" advice when doing oil with Charity and Fidelity, worked a treat. They also used a ton of Fairy Liquid on their clothes during the hosedown, which got a lot of the oil out before they even took their clothes off.
CandyCustard said: As for spandex and elastic, I had never considered that but I haven't noticed any problems or anything wearing out too soon if it got oily. I'd suggest washing asap same as with full latex, and if you use a dryer, put it on the synthetics setting.
We hang stuff up indoors to dry, draughty medieval manor house = no condensation problems.
I usually put everything through the wash two or three times, first two times with spin cycle switched out, to save unnecessary strain on the bearing, and with 2 x the usual amount of detergent. Then a third was with full spin cycle, then take upstairs and hang up to dry.
CandyCustard said: Fire - I think it would take a very high temperature directly applied to the skin to set any oil on fire, and with conscious people awake at a shoot, if there was a fire of any kind you'd (and your smoke alarm) would have found it and got out way before any risk of that temperature being anywhere near a human, but it never hurts to be careful and make sure models feel comfortable and safe and that there are 'just in case' options.
What Honeysuckle was thinking about was the risk of having to run through a fire, while coated in flamable oil, and thus the risk of the fire igniting the oil with fatal results. We're going belt and braces with both exit plan and extinguisher.
CandyCustard said: We have two very easy exit options to the studio but I have been thinking about fire extinguishers as well recently.
You want Class F if oil will be involved. I was busy googling that yesterday.
CandyCustard said: Another safety tip from Ariel Andersson for if there are only two of you present at a shoot (or handy anytime I guess) is to have a phone nearby that can be voice activated to dial emergency services via Siri or similar, in case you need to be using your hands to administer first aid or free someone from bondage or control a fire etc.
Ohh, that's an interesting idea!
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DungeonMasterOne said: Some years ago, before she came to Langstonedale, Honeysuckle had to escape from a burning building, so she has a sharper sense of planning escape routes, even when covered in custard, than most folk do.
I've had a house fire myself, but I wouldn't have equated vegetable oil with fire either. Definitely always a good idea to have some chemical fire extinguishers on hand. Not sure what the laws there are, but over here, you HAVE to have them on hand or your fire insurance and/or home owners in some cases will be void. Also, have to be maintenanced or replaced yearly as well. As for other things in oil: Satin, silk, nylon
Eromaxx/Tainster/Sindrive whatever they call themselves now has made some of the best oil scenes that I can remember. WAMTEC Mark has also do some incredible oil scenes as well, if you need some inspiration. 
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That's a very thorough risk assessment of vegetable oil and fire risk.
Vegetable oil is not volatile at room temperature. Its volatility is extremely low. It has to be exposed to intense and prolonged heat to combust. The like of which a human wouldn't survive anyway even if fully clothed and soaked in water.
Compare it to fuel oils like kerosene and paraffin which are highly flammable but burn slowly. Even small amounts of kerosene can be proximately exposed to naked flames without combusting (Don't put this to the test, please. Take my word for it! - I service vintage oil stoves) - unlike highly volatile automotive fuels with their gaseous fumes constantly in a state of evaporation - which must always be contained.
Vegetable oil is not volatile at room temperature. Its volatility is extremely low. It has to be exposed to intense and prolonged heat to combust. The like of which a human wouldn't survive anyway even if fully clothed and soaked in water.
Compare it to fuel oils like kerosene and paraffin which are highly flammable but burn slowly. Even small amounts of kerosene can be proximately exposed to naked flames without combusting (Don't put this to the test, please. Take my word for it! - I service vintage oil stoves) - unlike highly volatile automotive fuels with their gaseous fumes constantly in a state of evaporation - which must always be contained.
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Potatoman-J said:
As for other things in oil: Satin, silk, nylon Eromaxx/Tainster/Sindrive whatever they call themselves now has made some of the best oil scenes that I can remember.
As for other things in oil: Satin, silk, nylon
Eromaxx/Tainster/Sindrive whatever they call themselves now has made some of the best oil scenes that I can remember. gonna second this. if you dont mind risking the destruction of the clothes (perhaps for rarely done special shoots) then sating, silk, nylon and thin/flimsy synthetics and cotton can survive long enough to complete a shoot (barring any accidents or playfulness) and Eromaxx/tainster/sindrive has a lot of great examples.
Trouso said: That's a very thorough risk assessment of vegetable oil and fire risk.
Vegetable oil is not volatile at room temperature. Its volatility is extremely low. It has to be exposed to intense and prolonged heat to combust. The like of which a human wouldn't survive anyway even if fully clothed and soaked in water.
Vegetable oil is not volatile at room temperature. Its volatility is extremely low. It has to be exposed to intense and prolonged heat to combust. The like of which a human wouldn't survive anyway even if fully clothed and soaked in water.
well, at the point that vegetable oil would combust, any water would just make things even worse but, yeah, it would be a moot point because it'd be lethal levels to humans no matter what.
The wider point about escape routes has got me thinking. My friend's makeshift studio has two exits (and two entrances, surprisingly! ), and it's only really used by other people now.
I've only ever been in one other, and again, it was a makeshift affair. I think it only had one door. Bit silly, really, but never thought of it, and off the top of my head, I don't really notice in people's videos.
I think I recall being told Candy has a big entrance and a small entrance. Or it might have been someone else.
), and it's only really used by other people now. I've only ever been in one other, and again, it was a makeshift affair. I think it only had one door. Bit silly, really, but never thought of it, and off the top of my head, I don't really notice in people's videos.
I think I recall being told Candy has a big entrance and a small entrance. Or it might have been someone else.
Pasta said: The wider point about escape routes has got me thinking. My friend's makeshift studio has two exits (and two entrances, surprisingly! ), and it's only really used by other people now.
I've only ever been in one other, and again, it was a makeshift affair. I think it only had one door. Bit silly, really, but never thought of it, and off the top of my head, I don't really notice in people's videos.
I think I recall being told Candy has a big entrance and a small entrance. Or it might have been someone else.
), and it's only really used by other people now. I've only ever been in one other, and again, it was a makeshift affair. I think it only had one door. Bit silly, really, but never thought of it, and off the top of my head, I don't really notice in people's videos.
I think I recall being told Candy has a big entrance and a small entrance. Or it might have been someone else.
Given that I said in my post I have two exits, that's probably right
Finding it vaguely weird and threatening that people are apparently out there discussing the egress points of my house though, re: 'you've been told'
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