I've just published our new Terms of Use and decided to start a thread for discussion because... you know how these things go. It states it better there, but basically the new rules are:

- No more linking to the adult tube sites.
- No more discussions about kids show episodes.
- On our stores, no more public crowd footage.
- No repeated sales pitches inside your forum posts.
- You must disclose if you're being compensated for a review.

Terms of Use

Peace
Messmaster

The new changes look reasonable, but here's something I hadn't noticed before:
"We never allow [..] celebrities, [..], nudists"

Does the ban on celebrities include things like "Famous actor X just got messy in their new movie"?

I don't understand the ban on nudists, since lots of videos involve nudity.

That list is basically from our biller. I think the banks don't want lawsuits from celebrities or whatever, and by nudist they mean like nudist camp stuff. I should clarify that those two things only pertain to content hosted on UMD. Thanks!

One thing has always troubled me. It's the quicksand fantasy where the model gets sucked under and presumably dies. (of course it's not real)

But when I read this: "death, dead people, or necrophilia, even if it's totally fake, implied, or spoken." it makes me wonder how this is permitted?

I suppose some people get off on seeing a girl sinking to her death, but it's never been my thing. I much prefer her to be enjoying the experience and live to do it again. I'm only commenting because I've seen links here to quicksand sinking videos with fake death and nobody seems to mind.

The rule is that it has to be clear that she survives in the end, is okay, etc.

Very helpful, thanks for the update!

Is having Jayce write in legible paragraphs considered "compensation?"

Asking for a friend.

Robby

The fact that it always has to be abbreviated says everything.

Hey MM, can you explain the rationale why youtube links are no longer allowed?

I must say I'm very disappointed over that. I like to watch "candid" non-porn WAM, and as long as it's clearly over 18, (e.g. college kids sorority pie fundraisers), why is it an issue?

And what about our diminishing but still existing collection of Latin American pie gameshows?

I meant the adult tube sites, not youtube. The actual TOS is more clear . Game shows are fine as long as they're not intended for kids.

Oh my bad... you meant *those* tube sites...

Hey! Regis!

This is an adult content site. We've got to own that.

Are heavy bondage pics allowed if they are of me on my own profile?
I deleted them all just incase because the new tearms seem rediculously vanilla :/

The bondage rules were already in place so there was no need to remove your pictures if they have stood without complaint. Discretion is always employed around a decision to remove any content. Rules like this allow the site owner to draw the line at flagrant or patent breaches and allow the easy removal of obviously dubious material. There's reasonable leeway for consensual images, on topic posted in good faith.

Well, the future ban on the kid's choice awards discussion is very, very welcome.

I'm a little surprised there isn't putting some distance between this place and the regular Youtube, to be honest. Although I like amateur stuff, when the front page is a litany of "Suckin' an fuk'n!", "Watch as Jigglygirl is rammed up the ass as she begs for more chocolate sauce!" kind of producer stuff, it's hard to be cool with some (of age) youtuber doing a silly dare and being posted here at this forum.

Gosh dang it watching other people share content of people having innocent fun to an adult site and having a rant over a kids award show was the main thing that made me feel better about my own WAM fetish.

See? THIS is how people need to write on the UMD.

As i've mentioned before, i'm a wammer, a naturist and a swinger. It always surprises me that the 3 never seem to want to associate with each other

That's a very emphatic way that you describe UMD. But a more realistic view is that there has always been an equal mix of clothed to x-rated content here, as the visitors and producers and ads all run the gamut.

But it's all fetishistic so I draw the line at any content that is intended for a child audience. It's unrealistic right now to ban linking to all wam finds.

I noticed quite a few people have avatars that are screencaps from Get Your Own Back. Will they have to change?

Bondage should only be by the wrists according to our biller's own TOS. But really the concern is over videos: It has to be clear that it's not *actual* bondage and the model can get free, and is alright at the end of the vid.


I'm really not out to bust balls over every user icon. We just can't keep linking to the shows and advocating for them in our discussions.

Messmaster

By "candid" I imagine that this means no going down town to watch (and photograph) students celebrating the end of term in the town fountain, or to the local river to see how many people 'fall in'. What about events staged in public such as the Moomins used to do, (at least more often than they do now)?

In the past I have posted pictures which depicted (usually) a young actress who falls in the pool as a publicity stunt.

Another well -known wetlook forum imposed a "no candids" policy and later just sort of shrivelled up and closed. I think the term 'candid' needs further clarification.

Is PoR a kids show? Most of the contestants are adults but occasionally they have minors. Will this be decided on an episode by episode basis?

What about the "Guerro" shows? The contestants are adults but the show is aimed at a youthful audience.

Mostly the new stuff is common sense-- no doubt we'll all still find plenty to argue over that isn't the KCAs.

Any suggestions? Personally I vote we re-open the whole 'does mud count' can of worms once a year instead as an outlet for all that pent-up aggression a good KCA rant used to let off.

In all seriousness though these are some minor changes that shouldn't have too big of an impact going forwards, but they'll help neaten things up here and there-- the fact that things tend not to stay neat around wammers notwithstanding-- and it's good to have stuff like the no linking to adult tube sites right there in the TOS to help deal with it on the rare occasions it does happen.

All in all I'd say this is a solid move, MM.

I don't use that term, but I do say that the "subject" of the photo or video must not be unwitting. If it's a shot of a crowd of people in a fountain, they're likely all unwitting subjects of the shot.

But that's different from people who really are in the background, or more accurately are not a focus of the shot (dry bystanders for example). So staged content with models in the fountains is fine.


No.


If the intended audience of the show is kids then it is off-limits, even if everybody in the shot is an adult. If you want to have a discussion about how such shows affected us growing up and triggered our fetish as kids that's different. But no more linking to, cheering on, reviewing, or otherwise advocacy of the kids shows please.

Messmaster

Messmaster...

You didn't answer if the "Guerro" shows are off limit. Or if you did, I didn't understand your response.



IMO it's difficult for us in the U.S. to determine exactly who the "intended audience" is for these Latin American shows due to cultural differences. Clearly, Guerro and EEG are not appealing to the Sesame Street crowd. However, they undoubtedly have many viewers under the age of 18. I see these shows as analogous to American Gladiators, with a Latin American twist.

Now I'm wondering if our threads about CM would've been prohibited under the new TOS?

Maybe you should make a list of shows we can and can't talk about. I'd rather know upfront than be banned (or have my comments removed) without warning.

Even across cultural differences it's usually possible to tell if something is aimed at kids or not by a combination of the overall feel of the show, and what time it's broadcast on its original TV station. Stuff shown between 4pm and 6pm is usually children's TV, likewise things shown on Saturday mornings. Saturady evenings or after 6pm on weekdays is generally "all audiences" and stuff after 9pm or 10pm is generally "mainly adult audience". TV culture is pretty global these days with shows syndicated all round the world so I'd imagine those timings or something close to them are probably fairly universal? The bits of those South American shows I've seen come across as meant for an "all ages" audience, very much like Gladiators or Noel's House Party was. In fact the South American ones seem to have a deliberately slightly sexier edge in how the women on them are dressed, so while younger people may watch them they are obviously intended for adults. I'm guessing they are broadcast at prime time on Saturday evenings? In which case I imagine they are still fine here.

It's not that complicated.

These shows (Guerro, CM, EEG etc.) are fine as they are intended for a general audience. It's only shows that are specifically and unambiguously targeted at and regularly feature children. Most TV aimed at a general audience is fine as long as minors are not included in any shared content.

In other words children's broadcasting content as deemed by its makers as intended for children and on a children's platform. General entertainment which MIGHT also be watched by children is NOT out of bounds.

The grey area is not this but how we apply this rule to historical shows like Tiswas TCDTOTV Get Your Own Back - talking about shows that influenced us as children.

I agree. Comic Relief is still in, but Scrambled is now out. I get it. I think it's a shame we're going to lose that aspect of UMD but, as Jayce once said, this is MM's world and we're just living in it.


That's occurred to me too. Does this mean that all those childhood/nostalgic threads are now out of bounds as well? It seems that they are, or at least would have to be limited in scope: we could talk about NHP, but not GYOB or Crackerjack. I also wonder if, under the new rules, we'll no longer be allowed to say we liked WAM from childhood, even though that is the case for almost all of us.

A final thought. Do these restrictions apply just to the forum or to PMs as well? I'm thinking of a situation where someone spots a rare and sought after TV clip of an adult celebrity getting gunged on a children's show, and knows that some people would be interested because they've mentioned it on the forums. (The example I'm thinking of is my Holy Grail of the Zoe Ball trailer for GYOB, that I've mentioned a few times now, although I'm sure most have got their own equivalent!) I assume the finder would no longer be able to start a thread, but would they be able to notify a few users via a PM?