Hi guys, wasn't sure which Forum to put this in, as Nadia is a somewhat "controversial" figure, so here goes; for all fans of Nadia Valentine, (old, new or as yet undiscovered), who enjoyed HER being the star of the show and getting all the mess:splat:, here's a clip you will LOVE; "Kiss Or Pie" recently available in her "Humiliation-Girls" clipstore here; http://clips4sale.com/62563 Nadia descibes it thus;
"A quick video of Nadia Valentine playing a game that Goddess Jass thought up. It's called "Kiss or Pie". First, she tells Nadia that she wants to put some lipstick on the contestants lips because she wants to taste fresh lipstick if she chooses to give a kiss. But Goddess Jass evil plan is to just draw a huge red lipstick bulls eye on the contestants face to let the audience know that she has no intention of kissing this loser.
She makes losers close their eyes and pucker up... then she decides if you get a kiss or a pie... The contestant gets 5 chances to get a kiss but it's always a pie! Goddess Jass had no intention of ever kissing this pathetic loser. This video has 2 camera angles and both are included back to back." Do check it out:devil:!

Nadia Valentine is a transwoman.

Since there is no transgender forum, this is the best place to post this I think. Here's a GIF of the mean sexy Goddess Jass:devil: plying her pie-dom on the poor hapless Nadia. Is there a better slapstick receiver?:splat: Enjoy And you can buy it along with many other humiliating slapstick clips, here http://clips4sale.com/62563

Piesub, since you are far and away Nadia's #1 fan (plus her connection to the UMD that allows her to keep promoting videos despite being banned)... Is there a reason most of the videos avoid closeups?

Clearly there's plenty of space for cameras in this house, and the lighting is fine, but most of the preview pics and clips tend to focus on the wide angle, with little to no closeups. Just wondering if that's a specific decision.

From my sales over the years, I've found that the closeups tend to sell the best and the wide angle the worst. If I were down a camera, I'd probably jettison the wide first.

Well, the obvious solution (which Rich and other, including myself, already do/did) i to shoot with at least two cameras -- one for close ups and the other for wide angles (full body) shots)...the trick then becomes smooth editing between the two (best is to just repeat the scene in wide angle, forget about the seamless editing like on TV)...but has anyone actually seen this video to determine if there is only opne camera angle?

Why was she banned? Banned from what?

Nadia and Pete Rose... Both banned.

Banned from the UMD as a user. (Clearly not as a topic... She gets more press than most of us producers do with our own posts!)

She is a TG and has also employed other TGs in her videos. When asked about her past, she lied point blank... Then with the truth came out, she was banned for lying. (Not for being a TG.)

At least that's how I remember it... MM was the one doing the banning, so he might be a better authority.

Johnny - This was originally posted in the "Male WAM Forum" by Piesub (OP). Messmaster moved it over here.

Norman

I've always enjoyed the pics and trailer clips of Nadia's stuff! For me, if the person looks like a woman (and not a man in drag), I'm ok with it.

While Nadia may officially/legally be a man, Nadia is transgender and is a woman, for all intents & purposes (quoting Bruce Jenner).

Nadia does a perfect humiliated subject, always the butt of the (pie) jokes, and is certainly humiliated in various ways by the other ladies in her scenes.

The only reason I haven't gotten any of her vids yet is the cost.

Now I'm waiting for Bruce Jenner to take a pie while in a dress! Or, maybe not!

Norman

She has a great imagination for humiliating scenes and then playing them out.

So just don't click on the link if you see Nadia Valentine in the subject. Easy.

Awesome

Yeah I agree with the opinion this is probably better suited to the male wam forum. I respect everyone's decisions in life. Should always do what makes you happy but his/her (no disrespect I dont know what they prefer) deceitful ways and the fact you have no clue who's in the videos plus price is why I'll never spend my money on these videos.

It is strange how someone can be banned yet still have there videos promoted. Kind of defeated the punishment.

i have nothing against transgender or any other orientation...however...it's just not my thing...it's not what i'm in to...any more than mud is not my thing...i bought two videos from her for about $25...and while she was in them both minimally...and the other girls were sexy...the videos turned out to not really be what i had hoped for bc of that reason...and i don't recall any statement on her page stating that she was transgender...i could tell once i watched her on screen...but again...i probably wouldn't have bought them if i had known...the scenes were well scripted and directed though...oh well...at least she wasn't covered in mud...

My two cents:

Technically the post here is fine in that this is the "messy forum", though most everyone I think at this point considers this as the female wam forum since there is a male wam forum.

Personally, I don't like it posted here, but deal with it because I know the background on Nadia and just steer clear. However I think this can cause issues for someone who doesn't know the story. There are new people coming here every day that don't know the history. Proof is in every thread about Nadia, there's always a post about why she's banned and explaining the whole TG thing all over. Lucky for them, we are quick to give caution.

To each his own on what he/she wants to be defined as... But personally, my definition of gender is whats in your DNA. Thinking of a man sexually to me is pretty repulsive, penis or no penis, hormone therapy or no hormone therapy, etc. While it's clear there are people who don't care, it's also clear there are people of a similar mindset as me.

If I were a new user coming in and thinking I'm seeing a woman, but later found out it was a man, I would be disappointed in both myself and that I was deceived.

A new forum for TG may be the right move. Those who want to see it will still have access and those repulsed by it can avoid it easier. Or even flagging a thread as TG might work as well just so users are aware.

Again to each his own thing, be it gender identity, sexuality, etc... But some of us will also have our own expectations as well.

Everyone knows who she is, so you are faced with the choice of browsing or not. If it repulses you then don't look at the post.

Apparently she lied once - so fucking what! As if we are all honest people? Plenty of people on this site pretend to be something they are not including me.

We hear so much about how members are fed up with creeps on line scaring women, and trolls being a pain or people complaining over being conned by a producer not delivering the goods, yet..... There seems to be an awful lot of anti feeling towards one person because of a lie despite the fact we get to see pretty girls pied in her videos.

Man up you big fairies!!!

Nope, you're wrong. There is almost always someone in the threads that doesn't know. He's doing a great job of informing newbies. Everyday someone turns 18 and could join the UMD (unless it's up to 21 now?). You may be okay with it, but it would wreck some of us to wank to a guy. And yes, Nadia is a guy. You can mutilate your body however you want, but the DNA doesn't lie. XX chromosomes means you're a woman. In Nadia's case, it's XY, so he's a guy.

Many people dislike Nadia b/c he tries to play both sides. He advertises as a guy who's had surgery and on other sites tries to pass himself off as a man. I understand you like that kind of thing for obvious reasons, but there are straight men on this forum. IMO, vids with only Nadia belong in the Male WaM forum.

The issue is its deceiving. There are new people here every day that don't know the background.

Not only is fantasizing about a man not my thing, but as a Christian, it's a big deal and some people could really be destroyed with regret over his content.

Note... I'm not in any way against people doing their own thing, but fantasizing about a man is a line I am not cool with crossing and I'm sure there are others in the same mindset.

You automatically assume a cross dresser is gay which is incorrect and I personally don't want to see male WAM and equally gay guys probably don't want to see CDs and TVs.

As for the poor 18 year old, they don't come onto fetish sites expecting to see a perfect world. When they click onto the site the are accepting responsibility for their decision and have to accept what's out there. This is not about looking out for the well being of the naive youngster it's about you not be able to accept things.

I don't see anyone saying this.




Let me ask this. What impact does it it have by putting this content in a separate forum or at least labeling it as TG? Naive or not, its not cool to deceive someone.

I recall slightly different circumstances.

From my memory, Nadia never denied or lied about being a TG. What she did was made posts promoting herself going to some club to be pied and did not give full disclosure as to her gender/identity/whatever.

When people started "noticing" or asking about her status as a TG, at that point she did not deny it or lie about it and admitted it. None of the girls who star in videos with her were TG like her and all of the non-Nadia women were born that way or natural or whatever the term is nowadays for a non-TG.

This rubbed people the wrong way and the shit hit the fan, quite literally, as she promoted a video of hers that involved some slapstick comedy prior to the pieings, in this case it had her stepping in chocolate ice cream which was supposed to be dog fecal matter. At this point it escalated into something of a Witch hunt with some people making way too big deal about the joke in her video and trying to use that to demand she be removed. Others goaded her and eventually the moderators at the time gave her the boot.

Also, at the time MM himself was generally rather silent so I can not speak to how much influence, activity or involvement he had with this ban. On the surface he was inactive when compared to his current level of involvement. He might have been very active behind the scenes for all I know, I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors here.

So as I saw it, she f-ed up from the start by not fully disclosing her identity but after that was pretty open about it and some people were too aggressive with her and eventually drummed her out. She posts here now though, under a different alias, so someone doesn't seem to have as big a problem about it as they used to have.

With this video, which is only of Nadia and the question of what forum it belongs in, the answer to me is wondering if most or many or even some people who are into female WAM would be interested in a TG being WAMmed. I would say, that No most do not and for that, were it my decision, I would move this to the male section or ask that some kind of disclosure be made at the top of the post and in the title to inform anyone that the sole recipient of the WAMming was a TG.

Nadia never lied about anything. She posted her material and simply didn't say that she was transgender. As I remember it, this caused an angry explosion of ridiculousness. I'm not sure if she got banned or not, but every time she made a post there were some embarrassingly hostile replies. I think she just got exhausted with the one or two idiots on this site that were harassing her and decided it wasn't worth the hate. Peace Of Mind is always a good choice.

As for whether or not she ever used other transgender models in her movies. Yes, she did. They were in some of the early clips which she has removed from all websites. The reason she removed them was the quality. Her newer movies are of a much greater quality and she feels that removing the poorer quality stuff enables her to secure higher quality models going forward. I think it makes sense. As for her current movies, she is the only transgender model that appears. I can personally assure you that every other model is 100% female. And they're crazy smokin' hot!! (And most are available for in-person sessions at The Mean Girl Manor in LA!! It's a magical place!).

Good god y'all, why are you being such jerks to Nadia? Out of all the places in the world, I never expected a FETISH COMMUNITY to be so judgemental to a beautiful woman. Yes, since Nadia is passable as a woman, and presumably wants to be one, I consider her one. Y'all should too!

This post is obviously trying to illicit bannable responsible. On that note, don't you EVER tell me or anyone else on here what they should accept as a man or woman. It's not your call. Nadia is a guy who chose to have his body mutilated. It did not in any way make him a woman. He's actually quite the opposite. He's a man with severe mental problems. I don't know what caused them, but I can guarantee you that somewhere when he was young, crap happened to him to warp his mind and make him start down the road he took.

If I started dressing up as Batman b/c deep down in my heart I thought I was Batman, people would just accept me and say I'm Batman. They would have me committed. It's no different here. A man has deluded himself into believing that he CAN be a woman when he can't be anymore than I can be Batman.

I'm Captain America.

Way to fit the stereotype of the intolerant and ignorant Southerner, dude

Er, it's not like Batman has superpowers. Get yourself a cape and a mask and you pretty much ARE Batman.

That is the point you were trying to make, right, protostar8?

Actually, I'm a scientist. Yes, I live in the south, but that doesn't immediately make me an intolerant or ignorant Southerner. I just see things as they are instead of deluding myself into thinking otherwise. You wanna cut your co** off, fine. You're still a guy...just a guy without a di**.