This is the official announcement that, for any content uploaded to UMD (not including external content and links), we will no longer be allowing anything containing a depiction of titles or logos from kids' shows or movies. Existing content may stay for now.

You can do derivative works or use themes that resemble that from the show or movie, but not the exact ones. Beyond the copyright implications, we must do more to try to avoid appearing to give the nod-wink to visitors who might want to fantasize about that content. This is the most obvious step.

I knew that such scenes had already been shot by producers who never even got to sell them yet. So the original idea was to phase this type of content out over time by disallowing new uploads of this type of content, while still letting producers launch or post-date it if it was already produced and uploaded. But I screwed that up because I never really made a proper announcement.

So now I am asking all producers to please just go ahead and launch any such content NOW if you have it. I will allow up to May 3 to get it in and uploaded, but no more after that. If you have such a scene already uploaded but post-dated, please move the date to be now or the next day so we can get it all up and done with. Obviously the reason is that I may eventually have to remove this type content altogether. But for now we're just trying to ramp it down.

Thanks and have a great weekend
Messmaster

Does this include a lot of videos where people are wearing GYOB shirts?

That would be the most common example I can think of for what MM is talking about.

We have one coming up where Chloe is wearing a shirt that says Barbie but we don't mention that in the description or the title- does that count?

Kind of sad that we have to do so much to prove we aren't sex offenders, they will be asking us to post criminal record checks ne t :-p
I appreciate that because of certain nasty newspapers printing salacious gossip and innuendo means we do need to be whiter than white I guess hts because of the very weird situations our fetishism is found in, I mean, there are plenty of kids tv shows where gorgeous women get pied or slimed, [admin: redacted, we can't mention kids show celebrities by name] but very rare to see adult programmes where women are pied or slimed.

How much is acceptable vs not? For example, people who use the background from You Can't Do That On TV and use green slime in the scene. Would they have to change the slime colors, or not use the background? What about plays on shows like a You Can't Do That In The Multiverse?

At a guess it'll be OK as long as doesn't feature the logos, or similar-looking logos (the sort of almost-copies that a trademark lawyer would object to) of the kids shows. The objective is to avoid UMD content encouraging people to search for, or watch, made-for-kids content for fetish purposes.

I may be in the minority, but in all the years I have been online and knew I was into WAM, I have never searched out "made-for-kids content". I have always been in the if there are kids in it, move on side of things. Which is why that rule makes sense to me. However, I understand the nostalgia part of it and how many people found their fetish through these shows. How using the themes as adults, the nostalgia grows with you.

Out of curiosity, how close to the line would you say is the logo I use for my videos? It's a fairly transparent knockoff/spoof, so I'll link a copy of the image rather than upload it here (just to be safe).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13ariGn-0R2jwKSLnB_6Ka_Myeqo_RSVD/view?usp=sharing

Yes, any actual logos from the show can't be permitted anywhere in the scene. Not on any shirts or labels or props, not on the title graphic, etc. Also, please don't mention the title anywhere, including in the dialog.


Barbie has become such a generic name that it could be considered more than just a kid's thing, especially if it's just a logo on a shirt and not really related to the scene (or related to WAM like Double Dare). So I could potentially allow it to be used. But please don't portray the characters in a Barbie skit or anything like that.


That's part of it, but there's more to it than PR. There really are people out there who just don't get it, or who are actual pedos or whatever. We need to do all we can to make sure we aren't sending out the wrong signals.


For now we're concerned with using actual logos and titles from the shows. You can still do takes on the theme.


You're not in the minority. Most of us are able to leave the actual kiddie content where it belongs in past, and are now enjoying the *concepts* of the nostalgic shows in a grown-up adult format. There are people who don't understand the difference, so we want to be clear to them that this site is not for them.


That seems perfectly fine to me

Thank you for the clarity!

What about characters, cosplay etc? I just don't understand the push or why with some of these things and why we're being targeted so hard.

Meanwhile huge porn companies like Brazzers get away with making porn parodies of every copyright IP in existence including lots of shows that are clearly targeted at kids. I saw a fucking Spongebob Porn Parody FFS.

Then costumes, just go on spirit halloween, yandy, or any place that does costumes can you find costumes of characters specifically from kids shows that have been sexified like the Powerpuff Girls, Scooby Doo, Nintendo, etc.

I get your point, I just fucking hate the double standard of now a Double Dare shirt being more controversial than naked tiddies while other companies make huge XRATED porn productions and slutty costumes specifically based off child content.

But ya know, here's a "sexy" Luigi outfit from Walmart.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Leg-Avenue-Gamer-Sidekick-Women-s-Fancy-Dress-Costume-for-Adult-M/594259178?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=737

MM can probably give a clearer answer but my take from the current rules and mod policies is that there are several strands to it.

1. Morals. MM does not want UMD to be a starting point for the kind of people who genuinely do want to get off from watching kids get gunged. And expanding from that, doesn't want to be sending fetish traffic to made-for-kids content, even if it's adults that get messy.

2. Finance. In the grand scheme of things we are a very small niche, which means that unlike huge multi-million dollar corporations who can afford top lawyers and have enough financial clout that banks don't want to drop them, we have to follow the rules. There's an old saying, "Owe the bank ten thousand, you worry. Owe the bank ten million, the bank worries."

3. Future-proofing. The adult market is only going to get more regulated, we all know that. So it makes sense to try and stay ahead of those regulations, rather than be caught out by them later on.

Corporations like the ones you mention a) don't care about morals as long as money is made and b) can hire the sort of lawyers that means any kind of legal action is going to hurt the other side, badly. UMD is neither rich enough nor powerful enough to take those kind of risks, plus MM wants to keep adult stuff to adults, which seems reasonable to me.

I know many of us got into WAM while watching gunge shows on kids TV back when we were kids ourselves. But as with most things in life, there's a time to move on. Also, it's not exactly a privation to say "don't use those logos". I used to watch GYOB back in the day, adults in plain black tracksuit trousers and coloured tops having gunge poured over them and then dropped into a pool of it. There's no ban on doing any of that, and in fact MessyWorld have a fairly good tribute to it in their "Plunga" contraption. And as they don't use any logos or branding from the show, so have effectively made their own fully adult version. Likewise on the US side, there's no restriction on dropping green slime on someone for saying "I don't know", just don't stick a Nickelodeon logo on it anywhere.

As to Wal*mart, again, wealth. The world's biggest retailer can more or less do as it pleases unless a major public furore involving thosands of people kicks off.

Obviously it's possible to pick holes and point out all kinds of double-standards, but I think the overall objective, "when you're a grown adult, don't cross kids and adult stuff", is reasonable enough to follow?

With the mention of morals, what are the morals of the UMD?

Everything is pretty much fair game as long as actual logos and titles from kid's shows are not shown, and the story line doesn't pretend to be the show itself. Derivative stuff should be okay.


It's fallout from the Mastercard rules that made us start having to verify accounts. One of the rules was that adult sites MUST make sure that they are not publishing any material that potentially lures people looking for kid-themed content.


To be clear, the specific rule about no logos or titles is completely mine. It's my interpretation of what UMD must do to comply, given the unique nature of our content and sources for inspiration.


Brazzers, Pornhub, and other adult sites are under the same rules that we are. We're not being targeted with different ones. UMD just has such a high proportion of content that's based on childhood memories that I feel we're especially vulnerable in this area.


Our entire TOS used to be summarized at the top by "Don't be a dick" but now it's "Don't Ruin the Party Vibe!" That pretty much sums it up!