Just now I realize that the "person" with the most likes on the site (#1) (since "it" got there it still is until now) is an account that uses AI to create WAM content?
You can create thousands of images daily with different WAM themes without any type of cost (neither physical nor monetary) and obviously receive unlimited likes.
Do you think that AI will at some point replace us real producers who, with a lot of effort, dedication and time, strive to generate the best REAL WAM content every day?
I don't believe so in my opinion. It's a case of quantity vs quality. AI producers can produce lots of content daily but only goes so far as likes. Anytime a major/notable producer drops content there is good level of immediate engagement.
This is a fascinating topic! I think its a valid question, considering the amount of time, money, and resources it takes to film this content. It feels like it's an unnecessary amount of competition for people trying to actually build a platform for themselves and the work they put a lot of effort and funds into. Not trying to sound salty...and I've gotten some decent feedback on my content but have never gotten WAM of the day, and it is somewhat discouraging that AI content can take that spotlight from people trying to grow their presence on this site.
I also know that male content on here is not the highest downloaded, but still, it does beg the question of whether or not new WAM producers and models will be going against AI art and whether or not these things should be in the same rating system together or not?
To me AI will never replace the real thing. Part of the appeal is knowing that there is someone experiencing the sensations and elements of the session. Without a real person, it's just a soulless series of animated pictures.
Between piracy, cheapness, inappropriate behavior from some customer base, cynical competition from mainstream porn producers trying to make a quick buck, and good ol' fashioned burnout, being a WAM producer was never without a ton of challenges. I can't imagine these computer-generated cartoons posing any more of a threat than what producers have faced for years and years and years.
Seeing how profit was never really there for most producers, it's more likely those who leave will do so out of choice than by being "replaced." And those who have found a loyal and dedicated fanbase shouldn't face a too much of a dropoff because how many people are saying, "Sure, I spend hundreds of dollars on WAM because I love watching hot men/women get messy, but these unnatural drawings..."
ETA: As has been mentioned by others, AI "artists" are getting wammer of the day and likes and accolades because A) they can produce content at a much larger scale than real WAM producers and B) the work is still a novelty. People are more likely to praise a "realistic" image from a computer than mediocre image from a real person, even if the mediocre image is still better. But liking a picture is free and you can't spend "Wammer of the Day" awards at the grocery store so there's no cause for alarm there.
I don't think AI will replace real life content. Some of the AI stuff is getting really good and has the advantage of being able to conjure up scenarios that just couldn't be realistically achieved in real life without vast amounts of money. However, it can't replace the emotions that are captured with live models. Personally I love seeing the brief flash of nerves cross a models face as the mess starts to flow or the look of regret when they lose a game and know they're facing a messy forfeit. So yes, definitely a place for both.
Even though I'm no expert in this field, I have a lot to say:
At the stage we're at now, generative AI WAM content is at a point where most people can still tell its AI. I've seen profiles on UMD that have hundreds of pictures that all seem to follow the same prompts, as they're all variations of the same theme. Granted some of the end results are impressive, and can definitely scratch someone's WAM fantasy itch, but there are still plenty of cues thats show the image was artificially generated.
To me, it's no different than WAM content created via photoshop ("Manipulations," as I hear them called a lot). They can produce some interesting results, but it's usually not hard to tell the difference from the real deal; and to me at least, it's never preferable over the real deal.
Now when it comes to video, we've only recently seen generative AI videos that are impressive enough that the untrained eye might mistake it for the real deal, or at least hand-crafted CGI. But even the most impressive demos have flaws in them that give away the fact they were created with AI. Point being: video is way more complicated than single pictures, with so many things needing to be labored over and remain consistent in order for it to work, and that's without any audio.
All that being said, I doubt the technology is going to get worse; more than likely it's only going to improve. So we may reach a point where AI content will be virtually indistinguishable from the real thing. And I know that's a scary thought for a lot of people.
But regardless of how far generative AI advances, I do believe that there will always be people who will appreciate real producers and prefer their content or content with their favorite models with real messes combined with a real human touch. And I think producers/models need to embrace that while also finding ways to create content that AI can't compete with at this point. For instance: I think engaging with the community/customer base while establishing a personality and presence with people will go a long way, forming a connection with the audience and establishing a fanbase that will want to support you going forward.
Bottom line: Generative AI is going to be a tough competitor, but not an unbeatable one. There's always going to be folks out there who will prefer the real deal
All this cake, there must be a princess somewhere.
I'm always going to land well and clearly on the side of the real thing, as far as WAM is concerned, because for me it's focused on personal interaction with someone else and mutual gratification. There's nothing that can beat the reactions of a real target - be it acted humiliation, shock, and outrage or real enjoyment. Even WAM art and writing only work for me if there's clearly a human hand behind it - the enthusiasm for the situation comes through in a way AI-generated images haven't yet been able to mimic.
All this is not to discount the contributions made by AI prompters - it takes effort to find a combination of prompts to produce a good pic, of course - but it's just not for me. It's just my preference for the real thing...
Whatever it's worth, I have not seen any AI wam that is remotely interesting to me. I generally find it repulsive, in an uncanny valley sort of way. Maybe at some point it will be better, but that seems a long way off and it is a lot more enjoyable for me to order customs from actual humans.
Real SHOULD ALWAYS beat AI . No disrespect to those who generate these AI pics and fair play to them , everything as it's niche . But in my opinion AI pics pretty much ALWAYS have that ' Uncanny Valley ' thing going on . Women in them kinda look like they're ' Stepford Wives ' or like they're from Westworld . They're lacking the one thing Real has that they'll never have ..... a SOUL ! People say the eyes are the windows to the soul and if you look at the eyes in AI generated people you'll know what I mean . By the way , I'm not religious in any way so I'm not talking in a religious sense . Rather I'm talking in a human sense . Some of what Ive just said might not make sense but it's kinda hard to explain and make sense to be honest . In simple terms , there's more to being ' human ' than ' looking ' human .
Even as someone who *can* create compelling lifelike AI WAM images, I don't even really enjoy them that much at this point since I can't help but see the overlap and similarity between them. Not to say that it's impossible to create compelling narratives with AI, but it still requires an artistic hand, good technical prowess, and a lot of creativity to use the tools to create something interesting.
An area I *have* had some success with is utilizing real images I own to inform the generations. For example, in a civilian clip from a gameshow, I can use the image to create a depth map and then use my model to fill in the details as I would like to see them, changing the hair color, outfit, etc. This middle ground of taking real things and modifying them with AI blurs the lines quite nicely.
One of the more compelling options that people don't explore is stories and roleplay. I'm not an author, but being able to conjure up decent stories of tens of thousands of words is amazing. Local, uncensored, AI models give me the freedom to explore scenarios I've only ever imagined in my head, giving them substance. While there aren't as many WAM authors as there used to be, this is definitely a space I could imagine AI actively competing with them in today.
Alternatively, using a chatbot for roleplay is another particularly solid option. You define the scenarios, characters, etc. and then you're off the the races with a truly interactive and compelling option.
The drawbacks currently (at least from what Ive personally seen) is basically that none of the actual coverage looks "real". Slime/gunge especially. There's one user that's sorta getting there but it more often than not looks like a persons skin, and especially hair have just been coloured in. Compared to a screen cap from an actual video, its not remotely close. And that's just for screenshots. Im not aware of AI managing to create actual WAM videos yet, I assume that's even further away (but Im sure it'll happen eventually)...
And that's also not taking into account how 90% of AI stuff has characters who either have 1000 yard stares, or look like dolls, or just have really weird expressions on their faces. It just doesnt do it for me. Crowds/backgrounds look even worse, some real weird uncanny valley stuff going there.
Wam Bagheera Studio said: Just now I realize that the "person" with the most likes on the site (#1) (since "it" got there it still is until now) is an account that uses AI to create WAM content?
You can create thousands of images daily with different WAM themes without any type of cost (neither physical nor monetary) and obviously receive unlimited likes.
Do you think that AI will at some point replace us real producers who, with a lot of effort, dedication and time, strive to generate the best REAL WAM content every day?
As far as I'm concerned, if WAM is something you *watch*, then ... maybe. (As others have noted, there's no substitute for watching what you know to be another person having this experience. FWIW, I have my UMD settings to filter out AI because it does nothing for me.)
If it's something you *do*, on the other hand ... well, we're a very long way from having fully-functional WAM-bots to physically get wet and/or messy with us!
Going to play devil's advocate here. I absolutely think AI will replace real WAM producers material that is viewed on the internet, just like internet WAM material replaces experiencing it in real life. AI is in its infancy. I believe it will soon develop to the point where you will not be able to decipher real vs AI. I recently did a UMD poll for real vs. ai preference and the results were 293 pro real and 5 pro ai. Many of the comments suggested knowing it was fake was a boner killer or non-starter. I believe in the near future you will not know ( Lieutenant Dan has legs). The hassle of creating real WAM for internet consumption (expense, cleanup, personalities, liabilities, limited scenarios, time), is infinitely more difficult than generating AI images , which I believe will be indecipherable in the near future. That being said, experiencing WAM in real life cannot be replaced with AI, or even real internet pictures, but a small percentage of us get that opportunity. Just my opinion.
As I've said before, AI WAM as it is now is like steam railways were when "Rocket" was built. To coin a phrase, "We ain't seen nothin' yet."
But even so, I think there'll always be a market for videos of scenes where you know the event depicted actually happened for real, that an actual breathing human person experienced and reacted to the actual sensations of having their swimsuits filled with gloop, or rolling in the mud, or getting into a pool fully dressed. That realness cannot be replicated even by the best image generator.
Yes, people can get WOTD by creating lots of amazing AI WAM images - there are AI artists here I follow closely because they make amazing content. But getting WOTD from heart-clicks is one thing, actually selling content to people is something completely different.
Hyper realistic AI WAM is coming and will be a significant part of the future. We're at the "Rocket" stage, just wait till we're at the "Flying Scotsman" stage. But I think there will always be a market for real WAM too.
Real content isn't going anywhere, and even if it is usurped it won't be for a while. The AI WAM I've seen, on top of the issues others have mentioned (lifeless, expressionless, generally just kinda weird) is all really boring. I'm sure there will be (or already are) sites that let you use crude words, but for the time being it's just kinda not very interesting.
As a writer I find WAM AI imagery to be in this really weird spot. If you want it to be lewd, you kind of have to use your imagination about what would hypothetically happen AFTER the image takes place... at which point, why not just read or write a story/scene about it, since you're already doing most of the work.
At the end of the day, I also find it soulless and frustrating. Even if it does catch up or overtake the efficacy of real WAM (or even fictional WAM), there are plenty of people who have no interest in "art" (for want of a better term) that has no humanity in it.
I've got no problem with AI producers, but I do think it's a bit of an insult to all the real producers out there when one gets WOTD. Likes given to synthetic content shouldn't count toward WOTD imo.
I don't doubt how far technology will be able advance in a relatively short period of time. I'm old enough to remember playing Pong and Asteroids and being amazed by a triangle shaped ship shooting space rocks. Look at video games now. AI is in its infancy. It's the "pong" era. I have no doubt that 20 to 30 years from now no one will be able to tell AI videos from reality. And sorry for the tangent, but just imagine the implications to society when that happens. How bad will it get? Well, 16 states already have AI laws in place.
skirtpie said: Going to play devil's advocate here. I absolutely think AI will replace real WAM producers material that is viewed on the internet, just like internet WAM material replaces experiencing it in real life. AI is in its infancy. I believe it will soon develop to the point where you will not be able to decipher real vs AI. I recently did a UMD poll for real vs. ai preference and the results were 293 pro real and 5 pro ai. Many of the comments suggested knowing it was fake was a boner killer or non-starter. I believe in the near future you will not know ( Lieutenant Dan has legs). The hassle of creating real WAM for internet consumption (expense, cleanup, personalities, liabilities, limited scenarios, time), is infinitely more difficult than generating AI images , which I believe will be indecipherable in the near future. That being said, experiencing WAM in real life cannot be replaced with AI, or even real internet pictures, but a small percentage of us get that opportunity. Just my opinion.
I agree. And like Skitpie says, i find AI images fun, but not boners like the real thing.
Wam Bagheera Studio said: Just now I realize that the "person" with the most likes on the site (#1) (since "it" got there it still is until now) is an account that uses AI to create WAM content?
You can create thousands of images daily with different WAM themes without any type of cost (neither physical nor monetary) and obviously receive unlimited likes.
Do you think that AI will at some point replace us real producers who, with a lot of effort, dedication and time, strive to generate the best REAL WAM content every day?
The bad news is that while AI won't "replace" real WAM it will inevitably put some producers out of business. The costs involved in production of real WAM and the ubiquity of AI WAM will cause the market for real WAM to shrink rendering WAM production economically unfeaseable.
If there is one thing that trends in popular culture teaches the aware observer it's that relatively few people will refuse to consume a mediocre entertainment option when it is cheap and convenient.
Hobbyists without a profit motive may continue for a while, but once these hobbyist producers don't get the type (or amount) of feedback they want, they will be unlikely to continue. The guy who thinks that his new girlfriend is a world-class beauty (despite being 30 lbs overweight) will be butt hurt and salty when he discovers not everyone shares his opinion. Then he will stop making content. Additionally, these tools will be increasing in power and available to everyone. So, we can continue making personal use videos of our ideal MessyGirl (Lexi) until she's a great grandmother. This is the future as I see it. It's a pity because I personally prefer the scarcity that is inextricably linked to the genuine.
Listen guys, one day you are going to be able to talk to your tv and basically design your own entertainment and it will look and sound as real as real can be. When that day comes producers are gonna get hurt, but right now, its a non factor as far as wam.
'Real' content isn't going to go away, even though most of it is not very good. To be good at producing 'real' content requires a lot of skills, both technical and artistic, and those that have those skills produce outstanding work
AI is also not going to go away, even though most of it is not very good. To be good at it you need to understand how to craft a prompt (or train a LoRA for SD), and be very selective about what you publish. There are a few users doing AI stuff that do this, and produce outstanding work - I feel that when most people talk about AI, they are judging it by the lower quality efforts.
I'll keep on releasing my weekly packs of 28 AI images, people that like it like it, but in no way is it going to stop anyone buying a decently produced video.