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"Is UMD plagued by Misogyny?"
I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey 
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey
What is your solution to the problem?
dalamar666 said:
What is your solution to the problem?
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey
What is your solution to the problem?
Well either expose what I know and risk repercussions, or with the help of the users here we turn this ship around and put our foot down and try and correct the path we are headed down. You have any solutions or are you just the "good luck with that" guy?
Half the issues you've raised aren't misogyny. Of course there's misogyny among UMD users; it's a big group of people there's bound to be every ism you can think of represented. Humans are flawed. Do I think that the site does its best to have policies to combat the isms? Yep
At the end of the day what are you expecting from UMD? It's not a charity. It's a site owned and run by WAM fetishists who produce WAM porn and provide a platform for others to sell WAM porn. If you're looking for something else join a group. If there's no group offering what you want then create one. UMD doesn't have to have a groups section or encourage a community in any way. We had WAM sites that were set up purely so support a WAM community. They're gone. There wasnt the resources to keep them going. The internet had to change to help combat the exploitation and worse that was rife. I miss the days when anyone with the time and inclination could set up a geosite, link it to a google or yahoo group and have a free for all with total freedom of speech but we all know what humans did with that freedom. I miss a lot of what goes on here because often don't pop in for weeks or months at a time. When I hear some of the news I'm often shocked or saddened. The same goes for when I catch up with old associates and colleagues. Humans are humans they will be and do worse and better things than you ever imagined they would.
I've noticed a couple of negative changes to UMD. It's more difficult to identify where and when events/ splunches are occurring. Also we're back to people demanding and criticising organisers instead of thanking and supporting them. There's little thankfulness or gratitude. When I was younger I'd have done something about it. Years ago attended and helped organise events but now days I have a finite amount of time and energy which I'd rather spend where it makes a greater positive impact.
So WAMdalorian how much does it matter to you what happens on UMD? Enough to find what's good here and support it? Enough to put some of your time and effort into doing so? or do you like me have more important uses for your resources.
At the end of the day what are you expecting from UMD? It's not a charity. It's a site owned and run by WAM fetishists who produce WAM porn and provide a platform for others to sell WAM porn. If you're looking for something else join a group. If there's no group offering what you want then create one. UMD doesn't have to have a groups section or encourage a community in any way. We had WAM sites that were set up purely so support a WAM community. They're gone. There wasnt the resources to keep them going. The internet had to change to help combat the exploitation and worse that was rife. I miss the days when anyone with the time and inclination could set up a geosite, link it to a google or yahoo group and have a free for all with total freedom of speech but we all know what humans did with that freedom. I miss a lot of what goes on here because often don't pop in for weeks or months at a time. When I hear some of the news I'm often shocked or saddened. The same goes for when I catch up with old associates and colleagues. Humans are humans they will be and do worse and better things than you ever imagined they would.
I've noticed a couple of negative changes to UMD. It's more difficult to identify where and when events/ splunches are occurring. Also we're back to people demanding and criticising organisers instead of thanking and supporting them. There's little thankfulness or gratitude. When I was younger I'd have done something about it. Years ago attended and helped organise events but now days I have a finite amount of time and energy which I'd rather spend where it makes a greater positive impact.
So WAMdalorian how much does it matter to you what happens on UMD? Enough to find what's good here and support it? Enough to put some of your time and effort into doing so? or do you like me have more important uses for your resources.
WAM_in_Bed said: Half the issues you've raised aren't misogyny. Of course there's misogyny among UMD users; it's a big group of people there's bound to be every ism you can think of represented. Humans are flawed. Do I think that the site does its best to have policies to combat the isms? Yep
At the end of the day what are you expecting from UMD? It's not a charity. It's a site owned and run by WAM fetishists who produce WAM porn and provide a platform for others to sell WAM porn. If you're looking for something else join a group. If there's no group offering what you want then create one. UMD doesn't have to have a groups section or encourage a community in any way. We had WAM sites that were set up purely so support a WAM community. They're gone. There wasnt the resources to keep them going. The internet had to change to help combat the exploitation and worse that was rife. I miss the days when anyone with the time and inclination could set up a geosite, link it to a google or yahoo group and have a free for all with total freedom of speech but we all know what humans did with that freedom. I miss a lot of what goes on here because often don't pop in for weeks or months at a time. When I hear some of the news I'm often shocked or saddened. The same goes for when I catch up with old associates and colleagues. Humans are humans they will be and do worse and better things than you ever imagined they would.
I've noticed a couple of negative changes to UMD. It's more difficult to identify where and when events/ splunches are occurring. Also we're back to people demanding and criticising organisers instead of thanking and supporting them. There's little thankfulness or gratitude. When I was younger I'd have done something about it. Years ago attended and helped organise events but now days I have a finite amount of time and energy which I'd rather spend where it makes a greater positive impact.
So WAMdalorian how much does it matter to you what happens on UMD? Enough to find what's good here and support it? Enough to put some of your time and effort into doing so? or do you like me have more important uses for your resources.
At the end of the day what are you expecting from UMD? It's not a charity. It's a site owned and run by WAM fetishists who produce WAM porn and provide a platform for others to sell WAM porn. If you're looking for something else join a group. If there's no group offering what you want then create one. UMD doesn't have to have a groups section or encourage a community in any way. We had WAM sites that were set up purely so support a WAM community. They're gone. There wasnt the resources to keep them going. The internet had to change to help combat the exploitation and worse that was rife. I miss the days when anyone with the time and inclination could set up a geosite, link it to a google or yahoo group and have a free for all with total freedom of speech but we all know what humans did with that freedom. I miss a lot of what goes on here because often don't pop in for weeks or months at a time. When I hear some of the news I'm often shocked or saddened. The same goes for when I catch up with old associates and colleagues. Humans are humans they will be and do worse and better things than you ever imagined they would.
I've noticed a couple of negative changes to UMD. It's more difficult to identify where and when events/ splunches are occurring. Also we're back to people demanding and criticising organisers instead of thanking and supporting them. There's little thankfulness or gratitude. When I was younger I'd have done something about it. Years ago attended and helped organise events but now days I have a finite amount of time and energy which I'd rather spend where it makes a greater positive impact.
So WAMdalorian how much does it matter to you what happens on UMD? Enough to find what's good here and support it? Enough to put some of your time and effort into doing so? or do you like me have more important uses for your resources.
Damn bro you seem triggered by my response did I touch a nerve or or you afraid of me exposing someone you care to protect? Not to mention you completely glanced over me pointing out someone here using their 3 y/o to promote wam on YouTube got swept under the rug. So are you involved in one of these shady productions?
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff...Between store owners posing as models/ ex's,
What are you talking about? On every shoot, somebody decides what to do. Some models can write their own stuff. Of course that's behind the scenes.
and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls)
There is nothing wrong with blurring gender lines on a fetish site. Hey, there's nothing wrong with crossdressing or with blurring gender lines off this site. It's one of those things that should just be okay.
I don't care about the dolls. They aren't people.
Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness....
If they didn't post the child scene here, they have not broken our rules against children. What they do on another site is another site's problem. Go report it there.
I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here..
I think you are here to cause problems.
Nessie
Loch_Ness said:
What are you talking about? On every shoot, somebody decides what to do. Some models can write their own stuff. Of course that's behind the scenes.
There is nothing wrong with blurring gender lines on a fetish site. Hey, there's nothing wrong with crossdressing or with blurring gender lines off this site. It's one of those things that should just be okay.
I don't care about the dolls. They aren't people.
If they didn't post the child scene here, they have not broken our rules against children. What they do on another site is another site's problem. Go report it there.
I think you are here to cause problems.
Nessie
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff...Between store owners posing as models/ ex's,
What are you talking about? On every shoot, somebody decides what to do. Some models can write their own stuff. Of course that's behind the scenes.
and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls)
There is nothing wrong with blurring gender lines on a fetish site. Hey, there's nothing wrong with crossdressing or with blurring gender lines off this site. It's one of those things that should just be okay.
I don't care about the dolls. They aren't people.
Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness....
If they didn't post the child scene here, they have not broken our rules against children. What they do on another site is another site's problem. Go report it there.
I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here..
I think you are here to cause problems.
Nessie
The fact you are all attacking me and defending my bullet points instead of hearing me out just proves my point. Ya'll are pathetic and part of why this community went to shit... Instead of hearing someone out you immediately attack them. Bravo
Loch_Ness said:
If they didn't post the child scene here, they have not broken our rules against children. What they do on another site is another site's problem. Go report it there.
If they didn't post the child scene here, they have not broken our rules against children. What they do on another site is another site's problem. Go report it there.
Wow that has to be the most tone Def defending of child exploitation in the sex industry if I've ever seen it... "oh they did it on YouTube to promote their fetish site" take it up with them... Fucking stupid. That's some pedo sympathizer shit wtf has this community turned into
Loch_Ness said: I see you've been here for 14-1/2 beautiful years.
I guess I'll just click a "report" and let 'em handle you from there.
Nessie
I guess I'll just click a "report" and let 'em handle you from there.
Nessie
Yup sweep it under the bus when I was trying to have a constructive open forum on the topic... But don't worry I have ways of getting the word out
Loch_Ness said: I see you've been here for 14-1/2 beautiful years.
I guess I'll just click a "report" and let 'em handle you from there.
Nessie
I guess I'll just click a "report" and let 'em handle you from there.
Nessie
For someone who's profile claims to be female youre defaulting to misogynistic defending has me questioning if you are one of these fake producers who used to pose to make sales...
This post gets deleted it just proves my point.
Ignorance is Bliss
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Loch_Ness said: I see you've been here for 14-1/2 beautiful years.
I guess I'll just click a "report" and let 'em handle you from there.
Nessie
I guess I'll just click a "report" and let 'em handle you from there.
Nessie
Please do tell me how it's okay that someone was doing this to advertise their fetish content whether it was stated or not. When they make fetish content here and have shit like this on another site and it gets swept under the rug ya gotta wonder who's on who's team...
Pic edited bc A it involved child and B not trying to DOX, but as a parent and as many parents here would never even think of introducing their fetish to their child let alone including them in it... It screams child exploitation and grooming. So we just okay with that here?
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TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
Silver_sea said:
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone it just seemed they were ignoring the point I was making.... And I'm not attacking community but we saw what happened with wambabes and how it left Jayce... I'm more looking out for models who are finding themselves in that position where shady background stuff happens and they get taken advantage of.. And mostly looking for models inputs as to whether it's prevalent or not... And as for the other issue it was brought up and seemingly swept under the rug so I figured id bring it to light bc it fits the bill of shady background shit. Mods can do a job to distance our community from gross things that have plagued the porn industry but if we are just gonna be compliant I'm gonna say something because as much as this is porn I think it's art too... Just think how great wam could be if everyone looked at it as a form of entertainment than a way of making money.
TheWamdalorian said:
I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone it just seemed they were ignoring the point I was making.... And I'm not attacking community but we saw what happened with wambabes and how it left Jayce... I'm more looking out for models who are finding themselves in that position where shady background stuff happens and they get taken advantage of.. And mostly looking for models inputs as to whether it's prevalent or not... And as for the other issue it was brought up and seemingly swept under the rug so I figured id bring it to light bc it fits the bill of shady background shit. Mods can do a job to distance our community from gross things that have plagued the porn industry but if we are just gonna be compliant I'm gonna say something because as much as this is porn I think it's art too... Just think how great wam could be if everyone looked at it as a form of entertainment than a way of making money.
Silver_sea said:
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone it just seemed they were ignoring the point I was making.... And I'm not attacking community but we saw what happened with wambabes and how it left Jayce... I'm more looking out for models who are finding themselves in that position where shady background stuff happens and they get taken advantage of.. And mostly looking for models inputs as to whether it's prevalent or not... And as for the other issue it was brought up and seemingly swept under the rug so I figured id bring it to light bc it fits the bill of shady background shit. Mods can do a job to distance our community from gross things that have plagued the porn industry but if we are just gonna be compliant I'm gonna say something because as much as this is porn I think it's art too... Just think how great wam could be if everyone looked at it as a form of entertainment than a way of making money.
Well you did attack people. You posted about misogyny then attacked 2 women who replied. Want to know where the mysoginists are go look in the mirror. As for the accusations you levelled at me your original post made a brief mention about a model having her child on you tube. Now you're talking about child exploitation. That wasn't the title of your post. Don't post about misogyny then accuse those who answer your original question of supporting child exploitation. As to your accusations that I'm protecting someone. WTF! Yes I have been shocked and saddened when I've read about acquaintances being banned from UMD for good and valid reasons. I have neither the power or inclination to protect them but of course it's upsetting to find out that people you have sat down at a table with and discussed something as private and personal as your fetish with have been banned from here for good cause. You go on about community but it's clear your definition of community is customers such as yourself and the professionals they buy their porn from. Your definition of misogyny seems to only cover WAM models leaving you free to hurl unfounded abuse and accusations at other women and call them pathetic for daring to disagree with you.
TheWamdalorian said: Well either expose what I know and risk repercussions, or with the help of the users here we turn this ship around and put our foot down and try and correct the path we are headed down. You have any solutions or are you just the "good luck with that" guy?
I am not the one that raised the issue to complain about. You started this with a bunch of complaining about something with no solutions.
If you had any intentions of "exposing what you know", you would have done so in your initial post.
TheWamdalorian said: Pic edited bc A it involved child and B not trying to DOX, but as a parent and as many parents here would never even think of introducing their fetish to their child let alone including them in it... It screams child exploitation and grooming. So we just okay with that here?
So you have known about this for 4 years and are now just saying something about it. What does that say about you?
WAM_in_Bed said:
Well you did attack people. You posted about misogyny then attacked 2 women who replied. Want to know where the mysoginists are go look in the mirror. As for the accusations you levelled at me your original post made a brief mention about a model having her child on you tube. Now you're talking about child exploitation. That wasn't the title of your post. Don't post about misogyny then accuse those who answer your original question of supporting child exploitation. As to your accusations that I'm protecting someone. WTF! Yes I have been shocked and saddened when I've read about acquaintances being banned from UMD for good and valid reasons. I have neither the power or inclination to protect them but of course it's upsetting to find out that people you have sat down at a table with and discussed something as private and personal as your fetish with have been banned from here for good cause. You go on about community but it's clear your definition of community is customers such as yourself and the professionals they buy their porn from. Your definition of misogyny seems to only cover WAM models leaving you free to hurl unfounded abuse and accusations at other women and call them pathetic for daring to disagree with you.
TheWamdalorian said:
I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone it just seemed they were ignoring the point I was making.... And I'm not attacking community but we saw what happened with wambabes and how it left Jayce... I'm more looking out for models who are finding themselves in that position where shady background stuff happens and they get taken advantage of.. And mostly looking for models inputs as to whether it's prevalent or not... And as for the other issue it was brought up and seemingly swept under the rug so I figured id bring it to light bc it fits the bill of shady background shit. Mods can do a job to distance our community from gross things that have plagued the porn industry but if we are just gonna be compliant I'm gonna say something because as much as this is porn I think it's art too... Just think how great wam could be if everyone looked at it as a form of entertainment than a way of making money.
Silver_sea said:
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
TheWamdalorian said: I know im stirring the pot. But when I say Misogyny I don't mean the in your face sexist type... I mean the manipulative behind the scenes controlling of stuff.... Between store owners posing as models/ ex's, and people posing as other sexes (and even dolls) I feel this site is just tainted. Go ahead sweep this post under the rug like most things around here.. Need I mention a model who was using their child on another site and they were still allowed to post on here after I raised awareness.... So are we all some scumbags who blinldy support the use women and sweep child exploitation under the bus? Because I'm starting to get sick everytime something pops off on this site... We either trend in the right direction or I think this community needs a new place where serious issues don't get swept under the rug and people get canceled by community for being right to question fake profiles like kelsey
OK. Firstly, please don't attack folks if they disagree with you, it harms any valid arguments that you may have.
If there is behind the scenes manipulation, then the vast majority of us can't see it and are unaware until it is reported. That is not the communities fault. We don't know when a cis-man pretends to be a cis-female model e.g. Kelsey. When it is reported, we generally have a long conversation about it, but ultimately it is up the the mods about what is done, I have no way of policing this site (thankfully) so any issues about how the site is run needs to be taken up with the admins/mods/owners.
Honestly, if someone on here is using a child to promote porn on another site, then it needs to be reported here, even though the offence is on another site, BUT, does it need to be made public? Probably not, maybe after it's been sorted out if they have had they're account removed. Again, not our decision. Being made public before the sentencing just causes bad blood and trial by public.
You are right, we do need to protect users. This means the safety of the models and the users if the 'models' are acting illegally or with deceit. But how we go about that is tricky. I have not heard about this child thing until you mentioned it, so how can I be a bad person if I click on their stuff here? If you know something, report it and if you don't like the outcome then it's up to you what you do next.
But accusing an entire community, in a black or white way is not the correct way. Neither is claiming you are correct if you get deleted. You have asked a good, useful question, but are answering in highly defensive way when people start replying.
I hope this thread isn't deleted as it is a. useful and b. sounds like something needs to be done about a certain user if they are abusing their kid.
I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone it just seemed they were ignoring the point I was making.... And I'm not attacking community but we saw what happened with wambabes and how it left Jayce... I'm more looking out for models who are finding themselves in that position where shady background stuff happens and they get taken advantage of.. And mostly looking for models inputs as to whether it's prevalent or not... And as for the other issue it was brought up and seemingly swept under the rug so I figured id bring it to light bc it fits the bill of shady background shit. Mods can do a job to distance our community from gross things that have plagued the porn industry but if we are just gonna be compliant I'm gonna say something because as much as this is porn I think it's art too... Just think how great wam could be if everyone looked at it as a form of entertainment than a way of making money.
Well you did attack people. You posted about misogyny then attacked 2 women who replied. Want to know where the mysoginists are go look in the mirror. As for the accusations you levelled at me your original post made a brief mention about a model having her child on you tube. Now you're talking about child exploitation. That wasn't the title of your post. Don't post about misogyny then accuse those who answer your original question of supporting child exploitation. As to your accusations that I'm protecting someone. WTF! Yes I have been shocked and saddened when I've read about acquaintances being banned from UMD for good and valid reasons. I have neither the power or inclination to protect them but of course it's upsetting to find out that people you have sat down at a table with and discussed something as private and personal as your fetish with have been banned from here for good cause. You go on about community but it's clear your definition of community is customers such as yourself and the professionals they buy their porn from. Your definition of misogyny seems to only cover WAM models leaving you free to hurl unfounded abuse and accusations at other women and call them pathetic for daring to disagree with you.
Sorry I don't go through every profile to see sex's... And I was raising the topic to see if anyone would come forward and confirm rumors I heard about producers taking over sites and posing as ex's.... That sort of shit... So kudos... And the point of this post was to prevent such things from happening to innocent wammers such as your friends... That's part of the reason this was made because we've seen good people go and slowly umd becoming a sesspool. Soon we gonna have scat and piss here so don't be shocked. Stop being so defensive and chill. Dm me if you wanna chat about it
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TheWamdalorian said:
Pic edited bc A it involved child and B not trying to DOX, but as a parent and as many parents here would never even think of introducing their fetish to their child let alone including them in it... It screams child exploitation and grooming. So we just okay with that here?
Pic edited bc A it involved child and B not trying to DOX, but as a parent and as many parents here would never even think of introducing their fetish to their child let alone including them in it... It screams child exploitation and grooming. So we just okay with that here?
Well, it seems like you have some sort of inside information. So... what are you going to do with it. If you're that concerned, report it. Not just here to MM, but to law enforcement too.
We don't have the info, but apparently, you do.
Damn fool of a tuber
3/15/25, 12:04pm: No-bump reply
mFeelzGood said: I hope umd is not plagued by misogyny. Thankfully the big controversial issues seem rare. 
When there is money to be made, there will be people that lie, manipulate, exploit, and deceive to get it. Or maybe they do it for their own sexual gratification. I am only talking about the people that cheat the system, scam, or catfish.
If a person has this wam fetish or benefits from the wam fetish, it feels wrong for them to use their child to make wam fetish videos that are intended for an wam fetishist audience. I think this should be reported.
Quote from youtube's content rules:
"...humiliating fetishes are not allowed on YouTube. ...content that sexually exploits minors is not allowed on YouTube. Don't post content on YouTube if it shows: Pornography, the depiction of sexual acts, or fetishes that are meant for sexual gratification."
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802002?hl=en
When there is money to be made, there will be people that lie, manipulate, exploit, and deceive to get it. Or maybe they do it for their own sexual gratification. I am only talking about the people that cheat the system, scam, or catfish.
If a person has this wam fetish or benefits from the wam fetish, it feels wrong for them to use their child to make wam fetish videos that are intended for an wam fetishist audience. I think this should be reported.
Quote from youtube's content rules:
"...humiliating fetishes are not allowed on YouTube. ...content that sexually exploits minors is not allowed on YouTube. Don't post content on YouTube if it shows: Pornography, the depiction of sexual acts, or fetishes that are meant for sexual gratification."
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802002?hl=en
Hey mess aster whyd you sweep this under the rug?
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