Me:

1) Models sticking their tongues out for extended periods? Why? Don't get it.
2) Replays.
3) A male producer inserting himself into a scene unduly.
4) Crusts.
5) Only pie hits that completely obfuscate the facial features, particularly the eyes.
6) Longshot-only scenes.
7) A model who is clearly NOT enjoying herself.

Anything else?

Disclaimer: These are my thoughts, and I don't profess to speak for anyone else.

For me, sex. I understand that most of the people like sex. Few like WAM. Then, seems rasonable that joining both would work. Well, not for me.

And fake pies (mostly shaving cream). The pie has to be edible for me, is what makes it humiliating.

Those are my two cents about it...

Good question!!

This will go down like a lead balloon but I could do without the nudity in the videos.

I prefer to see the woman's clothes get trashed and leave it there!

Yea.....less clothes!!

Self pieings- they do nothing for me

Interesting...I love them!

I think the vast majority of pie fans prefer crusts, though. Please comment if you feel otherwise, but most think that simply putting anything (Cool Whip, shaving cream, etc.) into an empty pie tin is not a "true pie." The crust needs to be there.

That said, I've experimented with "slime pies" that are basically the same slime we dump on models, but in a pie tin for direct facial hits! And coming soon will be some "super gooey chocolate pies" which are basically chocolate mix in a cake tin, making for a very large (and sticky) pie, sans crust, that covers completely.

As for non-nudity, I can think of at least one site that does that all the time...

Same for me. The pie has to be delivered by someone else for it to have any impact.

Okay. .. so I understand I will be classed as fussy. But this is my preference. ...

I love to see a regular set of bra and knickers / panties getting messy while being worn under their blouses.

Please.. could more of the ladies wear a bra, it's great to see blouses and tops getting messy and trashed with a variety of substances... but please give the ladies a bra to wear, preferably a nice regular bra, not 3 sizes too small. Just part of a regular set they would wear everyday... I personally think it adds to the authenticity. .. keeping it real..

This isn't a criticism of any producer...justy personal taste... I apologise in advance if I have accidentally unintentionally offended any producers whom ladies do not wear a bra

I'm with you 100% on this one... clothed messy...none nude...simple.

less wam, for me...just want to see a model standing there fiddling with her hair, and talking about how she would love to get slimed or pied....but never getting it....tired of the same old thing....looking for something fresh, unexpected (working on a 'dry and clean' fetish)

You read my mind, zozotown: need fewer tongues stuck out.
And fewer self-pieings. The needed humiliation aspect for me happens only when someone else pies them.

I know I'll make friends here with this one. Complete coverage, especially in the first couple of minutes. Most of these models are for the most part are attractive. So I ask myself why do they cover their faces / bodies so quickly.
And also I will never get the humiliation aspect of wam.

Basically repeating/coalating some points already made. Less (immediate) nudity, sex and self wamings. Definitely more messy clothes/clothes filling. Definitely less producer involvement! Also less videos without context or plot-a bit of background as to why the messing up is occurring, especially as part of a story, rather than random bikini clad giggling model stuck in a paddling pool and having slime thrown at her for no reason. Personally I'd love to see less mess thrown in from off camera style wammings, always preferred proper food/mess fights.
Think that's it......

I want to echo some of Zozo's complaints:

I also think there is too much sex, self pieings are definitely worse than pies applied by another model, and "full coverage" is a negative if there is a hot woman under the pie. Pie sandwiches tend to suck as they mostly end up hitting the ears and leaving the face entirely alone. I also think there are too many pies colored ridiculous color with food coloring--a real bit of canned fruit filling and some whipped cream looks a lot better.

I also want to add that, for me, the pie thing is like a comedy show plot. If a pie gets applied to bare breasts before the face, it kind of ruins the magic. For me the first hit should be a direct facial hit. The model shouldn't be completely lost--we should see her reaction. I'd like if the next pie or two also followed this pattern, giving her time to superficially wipe it off (and the camera zooms in on the face for these.)

I'm a fan of crust, and of humiliation, of the "sorority hazing" or "mean girls" comedy genre rather than a full BDSM style.

Is there a way to give this a "Thumbs-down"?

Sorry, I LOVE pie videos!

Norman

** No offense intended, I'm just yanking your chain. But I DO love pie vids!

What would I like to see less of? Foot fetish crossovers and that white jeans thing that I'll never understand.

I know what you mean. Now a random bikini clad giggling model stuck in a paddling pool and having pies thrown at her for no reason - THAT, I love to see!

Norman

I assume everyone has noticed the *opposites* that have been mentioned!

It's all interesting to hear, because we all have different things that turn our cranks.

And the same way that some of our wives/Gf's don't "get" wam, some of us don't "get" what turns someone else on about white pants, or total coverage when you can't see the beautiful models face or reactions, etc., etc. That's what makes so much of this a "niche within a niche"!

But whether or not it's your "thing", a lot of the stuff can be there and just not noticed. For example, I enjoy the look of white pants on a lady, but it's not a trigger for me, or necessary for me to enjoy the scene. But I just look and think that the lady looks nice dressed the way she is, which "happens" to be white pants/jeans.

Btw, Rich, it's not a pie to me unless it has crust. But it's also not a real pie to me unless it has filling, whether it's pudding, or fruit (cherry or blueberry are my favorites), or something else. Then, the cool whip topping (or real bakery-type whipped cream).

As the wise, old philosopher said: To each his own!

Norman

I would like to less story-free WAM. Less self-pie-ings. Less single-girl videos.

In other words, I like multigirl videos, full of story/plot that involves girls pie-ing one another and causing humiliation.

1) An overly edited story with visual graphics...
2) a male character
3) a male reaction edited to make the story funnier
4) Self pies
5) Not good enough acting
6) No humiliation/comeuppance effect, total enjoyment
7) foam or non edible, real, materials.

This is an interesting thread and have enjoyed other's perspectives. I agree with Rich and Norman on the crusts.

Pies on top of pies never added much for me. I have a heavy preference for that first pie, that transformation from clean to suddenly pie-faced is the highlight for me. Pies on top of pies don't add much for me.

I know that it adds a lot of time to clean a model up between every hit, but in my personal videos of my wife, she cleans off before almost every next pie hit, providing a new and relatively clean canvas for each new pie in the face, plus I enjoy watching her clean off . I like when Rich hits his models with the water, and always especially enjoy the next pie hit as it feels fresh.

I was going to post and say "Self-pieings" -- I thought I would be the only one, but surprised to see others agree with me. I prefer a self-pieing to no pieing at all, but generally they tend to be pretty lame (just my opinion). In fact that was the biggest disappointment about the famous 3s Company pie fight and the reason why it doesn't rank among my fave mainstream scenes. The woman you REALLY want to see pied, ends up pieing herself -- LAME.

Anyway, since y'all stole my answer I will answer with the following nebulous answer: Pies to the top of the head and other body parts outnumbering pies to the face (again, JMHO) -- so freaking frustrating!

Yeah, I just thought the "less crusts" ran counter to what I've heard from almost EVERY other pie fan. Like, if you find "charity pieings" on YouTube, 9 times out of 10 it's spray whip cream onto a paper plate or pie tin, and it works about as badly as you'd expect.
Whereas the handful of times where they use a store-bought crust? Those are almost always excellent pieings, even done by amateurs!

I go back and forth with water. I have several customers who really like it... and several who REALLY hate it. (As with almost every micro-niche now, water is a dealbreaker for many folks. Like, "your video was absolutely perfect.... except the model got watered at minute 20. No sale!!")
If the model WANTS to get watered, I'll do it... especially because it does clean off her face and body, as you put it. But there's also a "model gets cold and wants the scene to end" factor that makes me hesitant to water them all the time.

I've found a good compromise is to let the model wipe her face off with wet (and dry) paper towels... She doesn't get cold, it doesn't annoy the anti-water contingent, and her face is (mostly) clean for future hits. My best current model for this is Breana... Not sure if you grabbed the Christmas scene, but that has something like 6-7 "nearly clean" hits because she does such an amazing job of wiping off between hits.

Back in the 80's slimings were a slight turn-on, but now if they are in a video I just FF through them.

No more Sliming in the middle of a pie session. Why do so many good pieings get ruined this way? I like to see a girl wear the pie on her face for a couple of minutes. The stupid bucket of sludge just takes all the joy out of it.

Fake boobs and bare cooters.

There are a lot of both sides of thing I agree with, for me, it would be for the model to be wearing an outfit they would not want to get messy, so less swimsuits and lingerie to start with. Street clothes for me do it every time.
I would like to see less of scenes where the model has no idea where the pie (or slime) came from. Better to just start off, talking to the camera for the audience, "I'm here to get messy."
Less slow motion replays and switching between front and side view cameras.
Less face only shots.
Less hand held cameras with the operator practicing their ability to zoom while they miss the shot.
Less of the models looking away from the camera while talking to the producer off camera. Love eye contact.
It's hard to do all of what I would like less of without going into more of what I want to see more of.

glad there's agreement about self-pieing.

With a self-pie you get no smushing, humiliation, surprise, and it's usually too soft

I couldn't agree less. Shaved pussies are really a disappointment to me. They are unexciting to look at. I like women as nature intended down there.

Without attempts at comedy, we'd have less plot, and how serious can the plot of a pie video be?

I do agree with you that I'd like to see less blondes, but I wasn't going to say it. Since you took it to personal characteristics, I'll add one: less skinny girls, as well.