Hey,

I'm working on a possible idea with customs, and I'm wondering, if you are somebody who would want a custom, what is it thats stopping you from doing it?

Lack of funds? Prior bad experience? Don't know what you want? Model you like not around? Seems like too much work?

Most customs I have done have turned out great! I just try to be really careful if I've not done business with them before...i've been cheated twice. It sucks. It set me back, but it doesn't stop me. I do it when I have funds available.

(1) Model choice. I would shell out for a custom if I could find a model that hit most of my buttons.

Unfortunately I have not seen one yet that officers customs.

(2) Scenario preferences. I'm pretty straightforward in what I want from a scene: right model, facial coverage, no real distress. I'm one of those people that frustrates (some) producers that I can perfectly enjoy videoes where a model just sit down, smiles, does a bit of interview or banter then takes a bunch of pies and slime. No fancy set up/script needed.

Money, for the most part. Although I've been doing several lately. I prefer to do customs with girls who have never heard of the WAM fetish before because I like explaining it to them and watching a WAM virgin get messed up for the first time. So in that way I guess model choice is a limiting factor as well.

I've read too many bad experiences here, from the notorious fly-by-night scammers to even long-time prevalent producers providing poor customer service. The number of models / producers I'd trust with customs is very small and doesn't come easy.

Rarely am I compelled to come up with a custom... partly because my desires cross many models' hard limits (nudity and/or xxx), and frankly I'm not the most creative or specific-interest wam fan. I'd never write a 10,000 word super specific fantasy for a producer to turn into a custom, that's not my style. I'm more of a "I know what I like when I see it" customer and purchase download clips and such.

I much rather prefer the organic unpredictable interactive elements that come with virtual or in-person sessions over a custom clip.

I've ordered customs, but I tend to "hire the creator/producer (artist)" first and foremost, rather than "hire for a specific scene with 20 elements." I wouldn't tell Degas or Banksy or Picasso specifically how to paint and the 20 things to include in their painting. Instead, knowing their styles and approach, I'd instead say an element or two and the rest is up to their interpretation, and I'd be happy to receive their work. Same thing here for producers or creators of any content, be it prose or picture or video or art or whatever. Yup, I've been bilked on a couple of occasions, some regretfully, but overall, I've been pleased with the final results. I enjoy letting the creator do his/her 'thing', guided by a few suggestions, rather than box them into a tight non-negotiable corner.

My tastes tend to be more PG13 and there aren't a lot of producers that offer customs doing that kind of thing.

Curious...what would you define as PG-13?

I almost always have a custom in the works somewhere, but this stupid virus is making models wary to travel and producers wary to have 4 girls and 2 or 3 support people in a room filming. I like scenes mostly with 3 or 4 girls and that is hard to come by these days.

Simple:model not around

I am at present 'ordering' a custom video from two, what I hope are reputable sites.
One looking hopeful at present, the other has been on hold for a while so not overly optimistic on that.Previous attempts failed when the model I wanted was not available. To me model comes first then location etc. I am not after 'x' rated material. Will follow this up when more details/custom received.
Buying anything comes with risks but if I am really keen then I would go for a custom if possible.

Money is always an issue for me.

However, even though I have a few customs that I can watch over and over, more and more, the producers are removing items from my script without telling me beforehand... that's really upsetting to me, actually... and this refrains me of having other customs, to be honest...

Not mentioning some producers that shoot their video, with your money but not with your idea... but this happened to me rarely... but happened!!

Bad experiences with established people is why I no longer purchase them. It was an absolute nightmare trying to get my money back previously, and so will avoid it at all costs now.

I have ordered a few customs in my time ... the number 1 thing for me is a model that I find attractive!

My taste is also PG-13 ... which to me means fully clothed.

"Support people" are the bane of my life. Unless they're actually helping with photographing or videoing, they're just there to get a free eyeful, & a sneaky grope if they can manage it.

For me, it would first be money. Having said that, there is probably enough generic stuff on my hard drive so I don't really need a custom done . . . BUT . . .

There are some very specific things I'd love to see, requiring a fit model and one who would react in a way that I'd like to see.

Although my custom wouldn't be XXX, it also wouldn't be PG13, as some have talked about. For me, the excitement is more about the model's body getting messy than her face. She would need to be sensually into the whole feeling of mess all over, and not just 'over the head' or 'in the face' as most people here enjoy. So lighting, camera angles, etc. would have to be more 'body focused' than shot from head level.

So I'd need a producer who would understand what I was after and would make it happen with a model who would also understand and make it happen. There's more to it than my quick description, but the real possibility of them NOT getting it, plus the cost factor, these two reasons are why I've never had a custom done.

They aren't a monolith though.
If one doesn't want your business, there will be others that do.

From a producer's POV I wouldn't say the money is the main issue with customs, rather it's the amount of work it takes, especially from the models, to produce exactly what the customer wants. We've done a few customs and so far the feedback has been good, but every single time the period between when we make the video available to the customer, till they tell us they are happy with it, is terrifying as we worry about all the things we think we might have got wrong.

When we do a custom, assuming we keep the rights to sell it on our sites and stores, we charge cost price + a small profit + VAT. Cost price being model fees + substances used + any specific items of clothing or footwear we need to buy.

It's always a bit of a gamble as, being a custom, it'll be outside our usual range of work. I mean no-one needs to pay me for a custom to see two girls in boilersuits slathering each other in custard, because anyone who's been here for any length of time knows I'm going to shoot that anyway. So there's always a chance the scene may not sell any copies, hence why we do add a small profit figure to the price. But on occasion custom scenes have gone on to be great sellers, though in those cases chances are we will then shoot more similar scenes ourselves, as the concept is proven. After all, go back far enough and the first time a producer had a girl pied as a fetish video instead of a slapstick movie, they would have had no idea whether it'd sell more than about six copies. But once they knew it would sell, well now we have lots of producers pieing girls on a regular basis.

But doing any custom is very hard work. This isn't a genre where if someone fluffs a take you can just back up and re-shoot, you can't just suck the custard back out of a filled swimsuit or un-cut a shredded raincoat. So it has to be got right, first time, so the models have to remember exactly what to do and in what order, and the camera operator has to get every shot spot on. If the girls fluff the order of things in one of our own scenes we can just go with the flow, but if they do it in a custom, basically we have to abandon the shoot, wash / replace the clothes, and re-do it again next time everyone is available, costing a full extra set of model fees - we pay by the scene - that the already agreed price doesn't cover.

We propably could do some of the customs people have mentioned, we specialise in fully clothed and with the emphasis on body - personally I'm a leg man, my interest is almost entirely from the waist (high waist please, low-rise clothes are abomination) down. But right now we aren't accepting custom requests, it's complex enough shooting just standard scenes with the local girls at the moment.

Mostly the lack of funds for me is my limiting factor but for that I have always found someone interested in Sploshing and for a very cheap price but definitely wishing I had more funds to be able to order a custom from Ariel and Jayce as those 2 make amazing content that is just out of my reach for now

I'm far too lazy.

I have a butt-wam fetish and embarrassed to tell most producers about it

I'd rather be the focus of a session rather than get a custom. And I'm married, so the session probably not going to happen.

Further to my comments yesterday. - First custom 'on hold' by site so looks unlikely that I will get it done.
Second custom started off hopefully but I note that the site has not - as yet - replied to my question "is it likely to happen?" (the custom) sent over 24 hours ago. Looks like this is not likely to happen either.
At least no money has been paid.
Both are or seem to be reputable sites but reading some of the comments above, you never can tell...................

This sort of experience makes it less likely for me to go for a custom in the future. A great pity really.
Wills

Footnote 4.9.20
Have had a reply and apology for delay informing me that things are proceeding and when model/studio etc all come together will do my custom. Hopefully in a couple of weeks time!

24 hours tho? I would give a few days for a reply at least.

When I get an email I generally expect to reply within the week, just like I did with postal letters in the old days, before we had the Internet. But I gather a lot of people nowadays, used to things like Facebook Messenger where it tells you instantly when someone's read a message, expect a respons in a few hours at the most.

Of course there are now people old enough to buy erotica who never knew the world before mass electronic communications, and for whom smartphones became a thing when they were young children. That generation has a very different life and communications experience to people of my era, who grew up in the 1980s.

Re comments above. - I know 24 hours is not long but I am going from previous experience when I got a reply within an hour or so, hence my comments now.I agree that since then a lot has happened so will obviously give it more time.
We'll just have to wait and see.................
Thanks for your viewpoints though, I just wonder how many 'customs' have been done with everything going well and how many haven't gone so well? But I would not let this experience put me off from possibly trying for another one............
Thanks all
Wills

They simply don't interest me, there is plenty of material on Youtube and flikr for me thanks.

Main thing for me would be it would have to be the right model. For me it can make or break the video. I'm not too picky and I like a nice variety of women but if she doesn't work for me I wouldn't be interested

Since the price is always advertised as "it depends," I easily end up assuming that the price that they would ask (and properly deserve) is more than I'm willing to pay - especially since I prefer multi-player (multi-model fee) game scenes. So rather than ask, I head off to the catalog instead.

Also, "Model I want not around". When a model floats floats my proverbial boat so specifically that I would consider it as a special one-off treat, so often that model either has publicly or effectively retired.

Mostly because of the risk or possibility that the custom isn't done right, so you'd get probably a poor quality custom but then be out a grand or however much it cost to make. For me personally what I'm looking for is impossible to find so I almost HAVE to go the custom route, but again there's never a guarantee it works out. That and I actually have ordered a custom before, but after a year of the producer promising she'd film it I gave up trying to get my money back. That would be Reya Fet by the way so heads up don't order anything from her.

When it comes to WAM I prefer when the models DON'T enjoy it or at least act like they don't. My perfect custom would be a like Cruella de Vil from 101 Dalmatians situation where some glamorous villainess is somewhere where she is completely out of her element and inappropriately dressed for the situation and gets her outfit, hair, and makeup ruined by the surrounding elements and acts completely disgusted and horrified. These scenes seem to not exist anywhere outside of mainstream film so that's why I've been leaning towards having a custom done. Obviously it's unrealistic to expect an Oscar worthy performance from a model, but again there's that lingering risk that it isn't done well and now you're down a bunch of money for nothing.