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"What Do You Think About Plus-Sized Models?"
The person enjoying themselves is more important than their size but to echo previous posters, there's a difference between morbidly obese and a few extra curves.
Each to their own etc etc etc but above a certain size I'd expect there to be less potential customers. Who knows how the dynamics of such things work, when in the month a video gets released could be a more significant factor than the size of the model! Then there's the question of how many clothes they're wearing lol.
There must have been bbw wam sites before?
Each to their own etc etc etc but above a certain size I'd expect there to be less potential customers. Who knows how the dynamics of such things work, when in the month a video gets released could be a more significant factor than the size of the model! Then there's the question of how many clothes they're wearing lol.
There must have been bbw wam sites before?
Mr_MG said: IMHO natural curves in all right places is much better than a model who has very little body fat and a six pack. WAM was made for girls with curves. 
I have a couple of female friends outside of the forum who are Plus Size and I have no problem with them because BBW are among my type. So, the more plus size models with curves and big boobs, the better.
formerly cfoster_316
I'd love to see a curvy gal get some slime!
Noone said:
I smoke a pack a day, when people tell me it's unhealthy I don't ask to see their medical qualifications, they are just stating the obvious. Clinical obesity is no different (and no less of a health risk).
I smoke a pack a day, when people tell me it's unhealthy I don't ask to see their medical qualifications, they are just stating the obvious. Clinical obesity is no different (and no less of a health risk).
But a diagnosis doesn't come from what other people see. You don't know their medical history, genetics, etc. Anyone can tell that you are doing it to yourself with the choice to smoke. But you don't understand by looking what glands, genetics, etc are affecting the way someone looks. Temporary? Not temporary? You don't know. Inherited? You also don't know, and it's none of your business to judge. This kind of judgment should be condemned to the same pile of unacceptable BS as racism and homophobia.
Sure, everyone ahs a type, but that doesn't mean saying degrading things and making uninformed medical judgments about people who don't fit your type is OK.
You know what? I'll use this example since she already spoke up on the thread. In fact, she called out just this sort of thing, then did it in a general sense back to the girls not like her in that same message. (It's fine to have a preference--but look at the emphatic capitalization, word choices, and the playing medical doctor--the message got unfriendly fast.) Jayce isn't my type at all. But I don't feel the need to let her know that every time she posts pics. She doesn't need to be my type. I don't need to find her attractive. It benefits no one to have that discussion (except to point out to the people who are generally using this thread for that how stupid it would be and that I don't do that--well, with this single exception). Those pics aren't for me, so I move on, silently. But then, I have to deal with all the BS in this where people are saying negative things discouraging the very models I (and many others, judging by this poll) like to see. Somehow, they act like that's acceptable. In a thread like this, just vote, and move on. I only felt like I needed to say something after reading all the ignorant crap I saw on page 1. As you said, there are people interested in all types. But some of us are polite enough not to actively discourage the types that they aren't actively into. Others, not so much.
So, y'all can probably tell that I'm biased due to my screen name, but what the hell, here's my two cents. I like models from curvy, all the way up to fat. And sometimes I come across a skinnier model who pushes my button as well.
Noone said: I don't find fat women attractive in any context. I don't dislike them as people or think they should be skinnier, everyone can do what they want, I just don't find it attractive. I'm sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't be into me too, so I refuse to be made to feel guilty about it.
Oh, get off your cross.
Ron Paul 1812
Texas bbw lover2 said: So, y'all can probably tell that I'm biased due to my screen name, but what the hell, here's my two cents. I like models from curvy, all the way up to fat. And sometimes I come across a skinnier model who pushes my button as well.
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
One last point. It isn't only the plus-sized models that I want to see that the community chases away with the behavior I called out above. I'm sure plenty of models who might fit a "skinny-" or "curvy but not fat-" lover's definition of what you like, but aren't confident or certain if their body will bring this kind of reaction have decided not to share it.
In fact, a while back, people wanted to see some sexy wrestling from Jerry Springer. The girls were to their liking. I mentioned that I used to keep that stuff, but never shared them, because people were so rude about the bigger girls on it whenever the show was mentioned. Since that's what I like, and people are like "don't share those clips of fat women" (not just to me, but in general), I don't really want to indulge them by sharing good clips of skinny women. I am de-incentivized by people creating a community that is in some ways hostile to what I want to see.
There are also three WAM producers I personally boycott because of stuff they said to me about bigger models. I'm just one person, but I doubt I'm the only one. Negging models, pro or amateur of any type is bullshit that hurts the community. I might say "are you going to have any more plus-sized models? You used to have lots of them" to a producer. But I won't post things that might make their current models wish they never tried a WAM shoot. You don't have to be talking about an individual model--just being rude to other people is enough to make them imagine you'll give them the same treatment.
If you see something you don't like, just click the back button.
In fact, a while back, people wanted to see some sexy wrestling from Jerry Springer. The girls were to their liking. I mentioned that I used to keep that stuff, but never shared them, because people were so rude about the bigger girls on it whenever the show was mentioned. Since that's what I like, and people are like "don't share those clips of fat women" (not just to me, but in general), I don't really want to indulge them by sharing good clips of skinny women. I am de-incentivized by people creating a community that is in some ways hostile to what I want to see.
There are also three WAM producers I personally boycott because of stuff they said to me about bigger models. I'm just one person, but I doubt I'm the only one. Negging models, pro or amateur of any type is bullshit that hurts the community. I might say "are you going to have any more plus-sized models? You used to have lots of them" to a producer. But I won't post things that might make their current models wish they never tried a WAM shoot. You don't have to be talking about an individual model--just being rude to other people is enough to make them imagine you'll give them the same treatment.
If you see something you don't like, just click the back button.
Myds said: In fact, a while back, people wanted to see some sexy wrestling from Jerry Springer. The girls were to their liking. I mentioned that I used to keep that stuff, but never shared them, because people were so rude about the bigger girls on it whenever the show was mentioned. Since that's what I like, and people are like "don't share those clips of fat women" (not just to me, but in general), I don't really want to indulge them by sharing good clips of skinny women. I am de-incentivized by people creating a community that is in some ways hostile to what I want to see.
I dunno, penalizing the entire community because a few people were jerks also sounds kind of hostile.
Regis said:
I dunno, penalizing the entire community because a few people were jerks also sounds kind of hostile.
Myds said: In fact, a while back, people wanted to see some sexy wrestling from Jerry Springer. The girls were to their liking. I mentioned that I used to keep that stuff, but never shared them, because people were so rude about the bigger girls on it whenever the show was mentioned. Since that's what I like, and people are like "don't share those clips of fat women" (not just to me, but in general), I don't really want to indulge them by sharing good clips of skinny women. I am de-incentivized by people creating a community that is in some ways hostile to what I want to see.
I dunno, penalizing the entire community because a few people were jerks also sounds kind of hostile.
It wasn't even penalizing. I was willing to go to a lot of work to put these things on a DVD then transfer them to my computer when I first looked into it. When it was stuff I enjoyed and wanted to share, no one was interested. In fact, the language people used when WAM on the show was talked about made me pretty angry. It wasn't worth the labor to transfer the stuff when I had to deal with some of the same folks actively trying to shut down the sharing of what I wanted to see.
It isn't hostile not to go out of your way putting up stuff that doesn't appeal to you, when the stuff you like keeps getting insulted and shot down.
Noone said:
Wtf? This is a thread asking what people think about plus sized models, and I said I don't find them attractive. I didn't propose some kind of Skinny Supremacism, I categorically pointed out that I don't think it makes them bad people, I just don't find it attractive. You want to compare that to racism or homohobia? Really? Absurd.
Myds said: it's none of your business to judge. This kind of judgment should be condemned to the same pile of unacceptable BS as racism and homophobia.
Wtf? This is a thread asking what people think about plus sized models, and I said I don't find them attractive. I didn't propose some kind of Skinny Supremacism, I categorically pointed out that I don't think it makes them bad people, I just don't find it attractive. You want to compare that to racism or homohobia? Really? Absurd.
My original comment wasn't even about you at first, you just wanted to defend the position that you should comment on who is healthy and who is not. Jumping on that was your own choice. I had no problem that anyone answered the poll; I actually think it can be valuable. My problem was how many had to weigh in with their own specific judgements, not always politely worded, about what is acceptable, and what is "unhealthy" or gross, as if they knew what they were talking about medically. That's not helpful to the WAM community in general.
It's part of a bigger cultural conversation about judgment. And yes. I do want to compare it to racism, because sometimes it overlaps--and can have the same root--being judged for your genetics. People from certain Pacific Islands, for example, have genetic dispositions to store weight. That's a fact. They also might not be unhealthy. Skinny people and medium people are also capable of being very unhealthy, so judging a book by its cover under the guise of pretending you have medical knowledge and are concerned for the person's health is just another form of ignorant discrimination pretending to be benign. Those familiar with the justifications offered by those engaged in segregation will recognize the tactic.
Sure. Don't listen to me. Take it from a specialist on weight with a PhD in Physiology:
https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/01/concern-trolling-is-bullshit/
Or, look at a weight discrimination comparison with rates of sexism and racism:. If you bother to read it, you'll find that people with more weight might find themselves discriminated against, possibly tot he tune of not getting around 4 jobs in a lifetime, a strikingly similar frequency to what one finds with racism. Again, something that they might be quite unable to change, and some idiot thinks that's something they can judge them for. Absurd.
http://www.nature.com/articles/ijo200822
Wow! I can't believe this was still going on. I thought I'd say what I said, and people would go "Oh, yeah, I now see that being insensitive to a whole group of people based on their physical characteristics alone is bad for the community. We should all be more careful with our language," instead of fighting tooth and nail against the notion. Sheesh!
Then, I thought a picture of my favorite thin girl would appease those forces. I must be naive or something. Can't we just say, "I'm personally not attracted to X" without using rude, judgmental language, or pretending we are only concerned for their health? I can.
The bigger the better i say...defo defo not enuf big women getting messy
Myds said:
But a diagnosis doesn't come from what other people see. You don't know their medical history, genetics, etc. Anyone can tell that you are doing it to yourself with the choice to smoke. But you don't understand by looking what glands, genetics, etc are affecting the way someone looks. Temporary? Not temporary? You don't know. Inherited? You also don't know, and it's none of your business to judge. This kind of judgment should be condemned to the same pile of unacceptable BS as racism and homophobia.
Sure, everyone ahs a type, but that doesn't mean saying degrading things and making uninformed medical judgments about people who don't fit your type is OK.
You know what? I'll use this example since she already spoke up on the thread. In fact, she called out just this sort of thing, then did it in a general sense back to the girls not like her in that same message. (It's fine to have a preference--but look at the emphatic capitalization, word choices, and the playing medical doctor--the message got unfriendly fast.) Jayce isn't my type at all. But I don't feel the need to let her know that every time she posts pics. She doesn't need to be my type. I don't need to find her attractive. It benefits no one to have that discussion (except to point out to the people who are generally using this thread for that how stupid it would be and that I don't do that--well, with this single exception). Those pics aren't for me, so I move on, silently. But then, I have to deal with all the BS in this where people are saying negative things discouraging the very models I (and many others, judging by this poll) like to see. Somehow, they act like that's acceptable. In a thread like this, just vote, and move on. I only felt like I needed to say something after reading all the ignorant crap I saw on page 1. As you said, there are people interested in all types. But some of us are polite enough not to actively discourage the types that they aren't actively into. Others, not so much.
Noone said:
I smoke a pack a day, when people tell me it's unhealthy I don't ask to see their medical qualifications, they are just stating the obvious. Clinical obesity is no different (and no less of a health risk).
I smoke a pack a day, when people tell me it's unhealthy I don't ask to see their medical qualifications, they are just stating the obvious. Clinical obesity is no different (and no less of a health risk).
But a diagnosis doesn't come from what other people see. You don't know their medical history, genetics, etc. Anyone can tell that you are doing it to yourself with the choice to smoke. But you don't understand by looking what glands, genetics, etc are affecting the way someone looks. Temporary? Not temporary? You don't know. Inherited? You also don't know, and it's none of your business to judge. This kind of judgment should be condemned to the same pile of unacceptable BS as racism and homophobia.
Sure, everyone ahs a type, but that doesn't mean saying degrading things and making uninformed medical judgments about people who don't fit your type is OK.
You know what? I'll use this example since she already spoke up on the thread. In fact, she called out just this sort of thing, then did it in a general sense back to the girls not like her in that same message. (It's fine to have a preference--but look at the emphatic capitalization, word choices, and the playing medical doctor--the message got unfriendly fast.) Jayce isn't my type at all. But I don't feel the need to let her know that every time she posts pics. She doesn't need to be my type. I don't need to find her attractive. It benefits no one to have that discussion (except to point out to the people who are generally using this thread for that how stupid it would be and that I don't do that--well, with this single exception). Those pics aren't for me, so I move on, silently. But then, I have to deal with all the BS in this where people are saying negative things discouraging the very models I (and many others, judging by this poll) like to see. Somehow, they act like that's acceptable. In a thread like this, just vote, and move on. I only felt like I needed to say something after reading all the ignorant crap I saw on page 1. As you said, there are people interested in all types. But some of us are polite enough not to actively discourage the types that they aren't actively into. Others, not so much.
my message was regarding when i felt like m.g. was saying that wam was ONLY made for girls that were CONSIDERED bigger girls....i replied that wam is for everyone....that I enjoy girls who enjoy wam BUT i do not enjoy seeing someone "morbidly obese" wamming. morbidly obese would be someone who is, lets just say, 10 times the amount of height to weight ratio....and yes, that is unhealthy. that is science. it causes MANY health issues. believe me, when i was medicated years ago and got up to 200 pounds (yes, i did!!) and i am 5'4, 5'5... i got pancreatitus at 23 and was my body was completely fucked. here is the MAIN THING THOUGH: drum roll please......TO EACH HIS VERY OWN. it doesnt matter what i think, you are correct, i am NOT a doctor. I do know what morbid obesity looks like, though and i do not prefer it...I do like seeing bigger girls (these would be girls that are considered bigger than the "model type" size) having a good time. vicky is fucking amazing. she is a bigger girl. shes stunning. i have seen girls bigger than her that i find very attractive wamming. I think that your opinion and what you like is COMPLETELY UP TO YOU!! that is just MY preference. I even commented on the fact that my stature is something I am trying to work on, as being this size, is genetics. i would like to have more muscle, a bigger booty and pack on some meat! lol! and i think it is great that you are HONEST. but i just want to clear it up......HERE COMES THE WRAP UP OF MY LONG WINDED RETORT....LOL....that I am 100 percent an equal opportunity wammer. what you like? hey, that is all up to you! I am not judging. I dont think that wamming is only for certain people. i think it is for all people....obese or not. i just dont prefer morbidly obese.....and real quick to kinda cover all you said about that we are not doctors, no, we are not....BUT, you really dont have to be a doctor to see if someone is morbidly obese, you also dont have to be a doctor to know that obese people do have more health issues than people who are not obese. there is a difference in having a big structure and being obese. my take? without doing a bmi chart and all that bullshit....if i see a woman that i can tell has a hard time getting around, or looks unhealthy with their weight (if it seems like their weight is the only defining thing about them) ....I do not find that attractive. There is a visible difference........BUT, TO EACH HIS VERY OWN!! the world is skewed with who is obese and who is not, who is a plus sized model and who is not....but obesity and morbid obesity is something that you can SEE and it is something that scientifically is NOT good for you.....but hey! i am ALSO NOT ONE TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIFE, EITHER!! if you are wamming, having a good time, PLEASE FUCKING MAKE SOME FUN OUT OF THIS FUCKED UP WORLD! so myds, i appreciate your honesty, and here is my honesty. bring on the butts, smutts! lol ! i do love a big ol ass, hips, thighs and titttaaaays! i just dont prefer to see someone who looks like their weight is the defining thing about them...that it takes over anything else about them... that is all. just my preference. just like you have yours
that is what the world of wam is about!!! all different takes in all walks of life!! that is why i love it so much!!! bc its ALL DIFFERENT!!! we all love what we love and i encourage everyone to do so!! 
omg that was so long...and no paragraphs. in true jayce style. and in third person. lol 
There isn’t a mess I don’t love!
Noone said: I'm not going to give point by point responses to your entire fat acceptance speech, you lost me with your absurd comparison to racism and homophobia. What I am going to point out is that I specified that people are attracted to people who LOOK healthy, it's not even a matter of whether they actually are healthy, we're talking about videos and appearances (although for the record being clinically obese IS unhealthy, regardless of the cause).
You didn't read the research, did you? Because scientists are comparing it to racism and sexism. I never said it was the same, just that it should be jettisoned to the same dungpile of prejudice and left to rot there. In fact, some of what's going on here is directly related to racism in structural ways: https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/09/psychologist-minorities-are-obese-because-racism-katherine-timpf/
And that's ignoring the influence of long periods of housing discrimination and "food deserts."
Also, as was pointed by this poll, your idea of what "looks" healthy is not shared by all. It's like if someone only liked blondes and was like, "eeeew, gross, redheads." It would be fine to say, "Nah, I don't like redheads personally." What you're saying I'm doing is EXACTLY what I haven't been. Is aid polls like this can be useful. I have a preference. I weighed in. But I didn't pretend there was something wrong with those who didn't fit my preference. No one should be shamed for a preference, only for being too militant in how they state it. We're talking about people, not hair products here. People have feelings.
Say, "That's not for me, and move on, without judgment, without "That looks unhealthy." Did the poll ask for your medical opinion? Why would it? I provided research and articles to show my point, but you choose willful ignorance. Therein itself is evidence of how it's like homophobia and racism. You retreat back to your viewpoint and dig in, instead of absorbing new information.
Models are judged on their appearance, and people are allowed to have preferences.
Darn right! So do the courtesy of treating the models I like as fully functional humans, and I'll do the same for the models that you like, and we'll have more models, not less, and everyone will be happy.
Jayce said:
my message was regarding when i felt like m.g. was saying that wam was ONLY made for girls that were CONSIDERED bigger girls....i replied that wam is for everyone....that I enjoy girls who enjoy wam BUT i do not enjoy seeing someone "morbidly obese" wamming. morbidly obese would be someone who is, lets just say, 10 times the amount of height to weight ratio....and yes, that is unhealthy. that is science. it causes MANY health issues. believe me, when i was medicated years ago and got up to 200 pounds (yes, i did!!) and i am 5'4, 5'5... i got pancreatitus at 23 and was my body was completely fucked. here is the MAIN THING THOUGH: drum roll please......TO EACH HIS VERY OWN. it doesnt matter what i think, you are correct, i am NOT a doctor. I do know what morbid obesity looks like, though and i do not prefer it...I do like seeing bigger girls (these would be girls that are considered bigger than the "model type" size) having a good time. vicky is fucking amazing. she is a bigger girl. shes stunning. i have seen girls bigger than her that i find very attractive wamming. I think that your opinion and what you like is COMPLETELY UP TO YOU!! that is just MY preference. I even commented on the fact that my stature is something I am trying to work on, as being this size, is genetics. i would like to have more muscle, a bigger booty and pack on some meat! lol! and i think it is great that you are HONEST. but i just want to clear it up......HERE COMES THE WRAP UP OF MY LONG WINDED RETORT....LOL....that I am 100 percent an equal opportunity wammer. what you like? hey, that is all up to you! I am not judging. I dont think that wamming is only for certain people. i think it is for all people....obese or not. i just dont prefer morbidly obese.....and real quick to kinda cover all you said about that we are not doctors, no, we are not....BUT, you really dont have to be a doctor to see if someone is morbidly obese, you also dont have to be a doctor to know that obese people do have more health issues than people who are not obese. there is a difference in having a big structure and being obese. my take? without doing a bmi chart and all that bullshit....if i see a woman that i can tell has a hard time getting around, or looks unhealthy with their weight (if it seems like their weight is the only defining thing about them) ....I do not find that attractive. There is a visible difference........BUT, TO EACH HIS VERY OWN!! the world is skewed with who is obese and who is not, who is a plus sized model and who is not....but obesity and morbid obesity is something that you can SEE and it is something that scientifically is NOT good for you.....but hey! i am ALSO NOT ONE TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIFE, EITHER!! if you are wamming, having a good time, PLEASE FUCKING MAKE SOME FUN OUT OF THIS FUCKED UP WORLD! so myds, i appreciate your honesty, and here is my honesty. bring on the butts, smutts! lol ! i do love a big ol ass, hips, thighs and titttaaaays! i just dont prefer to see someone who looks like their weight is the defining thing about them...that it takes over anything else about them... that is all. just my preference. just like you have yours that is what the world of wam is about!!! all different takes in all walks of life!! that is why i love it so much!!! bc its ALL DIFFERENT!!! we all love what we love and i encourage everyone to do so!! omg that was so long...and no paragraphs. in true jayce style. and in third person. lol
my message was regarding when i felt like m.g. was saying that wam was ONLY made for girls that were CONSIDERED bigger girls....i replied that wam is for everyone....that I enjoy girls who enjoy wam BUT i do not enjoy seeing someone "morbidly obese" wamming. morbidly obese would be someone who is, lets just say, 10 times the amount of height to weight ratio....and yes, that is unhealthy. that is science. it causes MANY health issues. believe me, when i was medicated years ago and got up to 200 pounds (yes, i did!!) and i am 5'4, 5'5... i got pancreatitus at 23 and was my body was completely fucked. here is the MAIN THING THOUGH: drum roll please......TO EACH HIS VERY OWN. it doesnt matter what i think, you are correct, i am NOT a doctor. I do know what morbid obesity looks like, though and i do not prefer it...I do like seeing bigger girls (these would be girls that are considered bigger than the "model type" size) having a good time. vicky is fucking amazing. she is a bigger girl. shes stunning. i have seen girls bigger than her that i find very attractive wamming. I think that your opinion and what you like is COMPLETELY UP TO YOU!! that is just MY preference. I even commented on the fact that my stature is something I am trying to work on, as being this size, is genetics. i would like to have more muscle, a bigger booty and pack on some meat! lol! and i think it is great that you are HONEST. but i just want to clear it up......HERE COMES THE WRAP UP OF MY LONG WINDED RETORT....LOL....that I am 100 percent an equal opportunity wammer. what you like? hey, that is all up to you! I am not judging. I dont think that wamming is only for certain people. i think it is for all people....obese or not. i just dont prefer morbidly obese.....and real quick to kinda cover all you said about that we are not doctors, no, we are not....BUT, you really dont have to be a doctor to see if someone is morbidly obese, you also dont have to be a doctor to know that obese people do have more health issues than people who are not obese. there is a difference in having a big structure and being obese. my take? without doing a bmi chart and all that bullshit....if i see a woman that i can tell has a hard time getting around, or looks unhealthy with their weight (if it seems like their weight is the only defining thing about them) ....I do not find that attractive. There is a visible difference........BUT, TO EACH HIS VERY OWN!! the world is skewed with who is obese and who is not, who is a plus sized model and who is not....but obesity and morbid obesity is something that you can SEE and it is something that scientifically is NOT good for you.....but hey! i am ALSO NOT ONE TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIFE, EITHER!! if you are wamming, having a good time, PLEASE FUCKING MAKE SOME FUN OUT OF THIS FUCKED UP WORLD! so myds, i appreciate your honesty, and here is my honesty. bring on the butts, smutts! lol ! i do love a big ol ass, hips, thighs and titttaaaays! i just dont prefer to see someone who looks like their weight is the defining thing about them...that it takes over anything else about them... that is all. just my preference. just like you have yours
that is what the world of wam is about!!! all different takes in all walks of life!! that is why i love it so much!!! bc its ALL DIFFERENT!!! we all love what we love and i encourage everyone to do so!! omg that was so long...and no paragraphs. in true jayce style. and in third person. lol I gave you credit for calling out BS at the beginning of your message. You were right to, but things went downhill as you seemed to want to capitalize OBESE again and again and make health claims that aren't medically backed up.
Very skinny people might well have an eating disorder, but you didn't see people is this thread go, "Well, there's OK skinny, then there's gross, unhealthy skinny!" I'm not saying some people aren't thinking it, but they don't have the same societal permission to express that view. The closest they came was saying something along the lines of "I like girl next door better than runway model." Why? There's a double standard that we are perpetrating. It affects peoples lives. It keeps them from enjoying themselves. It prevents them from getting jobs, or taking part in activities they enjoy (including exercise that they want to do, but there's so much stigma that they don't).
As I said, you might be separating the girls (Vicky is great, maybe someone else for you isn't, as you said). Imagine a new model who isn't sure where she fits in. Is reading this thread with all these little "well, it's OK to a point, but at undefined X place, it's unhealthy" (a point debunked int he articles I linked) going to make her more or less willing to try ourt WAM?
If people were just like "Yes. I like that., and "No, I'm not interested," she could read those comments without feeling attacked. She's far less likely to say, "what a group of a-holes, why would I psot pics on that place?" This isn't the first time I've thought about this behavior on UMD. Just state your preference. There's no shame in that, in spite of howe one poster above is determined to willfully misread my comments. (Usually when people think you're trying to make them feel guilty, it's because they already feel that way.) I'm just saying, don't be insulting, and leave the medical opinion to the doctors. The research does not support the public stereotypes.
I don't want an argument here, I want people to be more aware of how they are treating others. Society has said for years that it's OK to act this way. But let's hope that the long arc of history will trend toward justice for more and more human beings to be treated with dignity and respect.
Let's have fun, that's what this site is about. Respectful fun.
Myds said:
I gave you credit for calling out BS at the beginning of your message. You were right to, but things went downhill as you seemed to want to capitalize OBESE again and again and make health claims that aren't medically backed up.
Very skinny people might well have an eating disorder, but you didn't see people is this thread go, "Well, there's OK skinny, then there's gross, unhealthy skinny!" I'm not saying some people aren't thinking it, but they don't have the same societal permission to express that view. The closest they came was saying something along the lines of "I like girl next door better than runway model." Why? There's a double standard that we are perpetrating. It affects peoples lives. It keeps them from enjoying themselves. It prevents them from getting jobs, or taking part in activities they enjoy (including exercise that they want to do, but there's so much stigma that they don't).
As I said, you might be separating the girls (Vicky is great, maybe someone else for you isn't, as you said). Imagine a new model who isn't sure where she fits in. Is reading this thread with all these little "well, it's OK to a point, but at undefined X place, it's unhealthy" (a point debunked int he articles I linked) going to make her more or less willing to try ourt WAM?
If people were just like "Yes. I like that., and "No, I'm not interested," she could read those comments without feeling attacked. She's far less likely to say, "what a group of a-holes, why would I psot pics on that place?" This isn't the first time I've thought about this behavior on UMD. Just state your preference. There's no shame in that, in spite of howe one poster above is determined to willfully misread my comments. (Usually when people think you're trying to make them feel guilty, it's because they already feel that way.) I'm just saying, don't be insulting, and leave the medical opinion to the doctors. The research does not support the public stereotypes.
I don't want an argument here, I want people to be more aware of how they are treating others. Society has said for years that it's OK to act this way. But let's hope that the long arc of history will trend toward justice for more and more human beings to be treated with dignity and respect.
Let's have fun, that's what this site is about. Respectful fun.
Jayce said:
my message was regarding when i felt like m.g. was saying that wam was ONLY made for girls that were CONSIDERED bigger girls....i replied that wam is for everyone....that I enjoy girls who enjoy wam BUT i do not enjoy seeing someone "morbidly obese" wamming. morbidly obese would be someone who is, lets just say, 10 times the amount of height to weight ratio....and yes, that is unhealthy. that is science. it causes MANY health issues. believe me, when i was medicated years ago and got up to 200 pounds (yes, i did!!) and i am 5'4, 5'5... i got pancreatitus at 23 and was my body was completely fucked. here is the MAIN THING THOUGH: drum roll please......TO EACH HIS VERY OWN. it doesnt matter what i think, you are correct, i am NOT a doctor. I do know what morbid obesity looks like, though and i do not prefer it...I do like seeing bigger girls (these would be girls that are considered bigger than the "model type" size) having a good time. vicky is fucking amazing. she is a bigger girl. shes stunning. i have seen girls bigger than her that i find very attractive wamming. I think that your opinion and what you like is COMPLETELY UP TO YOU!! that is just MY preference. I even commented on the fact that my stature is something I am trying to work on, as being this size, is genetics. i would like to have more muscle, a bigger booty and pack on some meat! lol! and i think it is great that you are HONEST. but i just want to clear it up......HERE COMES THE WRAP UP OF MY LONG WINDED RETORT....LOL....that I am 100 percent an equal opportunity wammer. what you like? hey, that is all up to you! I am not judging. I dont think that wamming is only for certain people. i think it is for all people....obese or not. i just dont prefer morbidly obese.....and real quick to kinda cover all you said about that we are not doctors, no, we are not....BUT, you really dont have to be a doctor to see if someone is morbidly obese, you also dont have to be a doctor to know that obese people do have more health issues than people who are not obese. there is a difference in having a big structure and being obese. my take? without doing a bmi chart and all that bullshit....if i see a woman that i can tell has a hard time getting around, or looks unhealthy with their weight (if it seems like their weight is the only defining thing about them) ....I do not find that attractive. There is a visible difference........BUT, TO EACH HIS VERY OWN!! the world is skewed with who is obese and who is not, who is a plus sized model and who is not....but obesity and morbid obesity is something that you can SEE and it is something that scientifically is NOT good for you.....but hey! i am ALSO NOT ONE TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIFE, EITHER!! if you are wamming, having a good time, PLEASE FUCKING MAKE SOME FUN OUT OF THIS FUCKED UP WORLD! so myds, i appreciate your honesty, and here is my honesty. bring on the butts, smutts! lol ! i do love a big ol ass, hips, thighs and titttaaaays! i just dont prefer to see someone who looks like their weight is the defining thing about them...that it takes over anything else about them... that is all. just my preference. just like you have yours that is what the world of wam is about!!! all different takes in all walks of life!! that is why i love it so much!!! bc its ALL DIFFERENT!!! we all love what we love and i encourage everyone to do so!! omg that was so long...and no paragraphs. in true jayce style. and in third person. lol
my message was regarding when i felt like m.g. was saying that wam was ONLY made for girls that were CONSIDERED bigger girls....i replied that wam is for everyone....that I enjoy girls who enjoy wam BUT i do not enjoy seeing someone "morbidly obese" wamming. morbidly obese would be someone who is, lets just say, 10 times the amount of height to weight ratio....and yes, that is unhealthy. that is science. it causes MANY health issues. believe me, when i was medicated years ago and got up to 200 pounds (yes, i did!!) and i am 5'4, 5'5... i got pancreatitus at 23 and was my body was completely fucked. here is the MAIN THING THOUGH: drum roll please......TO EACH HIS VERY OWN. it doesnt matter what i think, you are correct, i am NOT a doctor. I do know what morbid obesity looks like, though and i do not prefer it...I do like seeing bigger girls (these would be girls that are considered bigger than the "model type" size) having a good time. vicky is fucking amazing. she is a bigger girl. shes stunning. i have seen girls bigger than her that i find very attractive wamming. I think that your opinion and what you like is COMPLETELY UP TO YOU!! that is just MY preference. I even commented on the fact that my stature is something I am trying to work on, as being this size, is genetics. i would like to have more muscle, a bigger booty and pack on some meat! lol! and i think it is great that you are HONEST. but i just want to clear it up......HERE COMES THE WRAP UP OF MY LONG WINDED RETORT....LOL....that I am 100 percent an equal opportunity wammer. what you like? hey, that is all up to you! I am not judging. I dont think that wamming is only for certain people. i think it is for all people....obese or not. i just dont prefer morbidly obese.....and real quick to kinda cover all you said about that we are not doctors, no, we are not....BUT, you really dont have to be a doctor to see if someone is morbidly obese, you also dont have to be a doctor to know that obese people do have more health issues than people who are not obese. there is a difference in having a big structure and being obese. my take? without doing a bmi chart and all that bullshit....if i see a woman that i can tell has a hard time getting around, or looks unhealthy with their weight (if it seems like their weight is the only defining thing about them) ....I do not find that attractive. There is a visible difference........BUT, TO EACH HIS VERY OWN!! the world is skewed with who is obese and who is not, who is a plus sized model and who is not....but obesity and morbid obesity is something that you can SEE and it is something that scientifically is NOT good for you.....but hey! i am ALSO NOT ONE TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIFE, EITHER!! if you are wamming, having a good time, PLEASE FUCKING MAKE SOME FUN OUT OF THIS FUCKED UP WORLD! so myds, i appreciate your honesty, and here is my honesty. bring on the butts, smutts! lol ! i do love a big ol ass, hips, thighs and titttaaaays! i just dont prefer to see someone who looks like their weight is the defining thing about them...that it takes over anything else about them... that is all. just my preference. just like you have yours
that is what the world of wam is about!!! all different takes in all walks of life!! that is why i love it so much!!! bc its ALL DIFFERENT!!! we all love what we love and i encourage everyone to do so!! omg that was so long...and no paragraphs. in true jayce style. and in third person. lol I gave you credit for calling out BS at the beginning of your message. You were right to, but things went downhill as you seemed to want to capitalize OBESE again and again and make health claims that aren't medically backed up.
Very skinny people might well have an eating disorder, but you didn't see people is this thread go, "Well, there's OK skinny, then there's gross, unhealthy skinny!" I'm not saying some people aren't thinking it, but they don't have the same societal permission to express that view. The closest they came was saying something along the lines of "I like girl next door better than runway model." Why? There's a double standard that we are perpetrating. It affects peoples lives. It keeps them from enjoying themselves. It prevents them from getting jobs, or taking part in activities they enjoy (including exercise that they want to do, but there's so much stigma that they don't).
As I said, you might be separating the girls (Vicky is great, maybe someone else for you isn't, as you said). Imagine a new model who isn't sure where she fits in. Is reading this thread with all these little "well, it's OK to a point, but at undefined X place, it's unhealthy" (a point debunked int he articles I linked) going to make her more or less willing to try ourt WAM?
If people were just like "Yes. I like that., and "No, I'm not interested," she could read those comments without feeling attacked. She's far less likely to say, "what a group of a-holes, why would I psot pics on that place?" This isn't the first time I've thought about this behavior on UMD. Just state your preference. There's no shame in that, in spite of howe one poster above is determined to willfully misread my comments. (Usually when people think you're trying to make them feel guilty, it's because they already feel that way.) I'm just saying, don't be insulting, and leave the medical opinion to the doctors. The research does not support the public stereotypes.
I don't want an argument here, I want people to be more aware of how they are treating others. Society has said for years that it's OK to act this way. But let's hope that the long arc of history will trend toward justice for more and more human beings to be treated with dignity and respect.
Let's have fun, that's what this site is about. Respectful fun.
i certainly dont want to argue and i commend you for standing up for what you feel is right! i do! and i appreciate your honesty, wholeheartedly! i love women of all sizes wamming, i do. i just dont like women who clearly have trouble getting around....that are clearly very much obese. is this a double standard? fuck yes it is. i am guilty of it bc i have been obese and my health went to shit, i have been skinny and my health has been shit. i would blame society but i am in control of my own thoughts. (i should be anyway) but it is easier to call someone who is very very large, unhealthy than someone who is skinnier. this is very true. If i see a woman who is wamming and is very very skinny, I dont really care for that either.....but if we talk about the whole "science" of it all, either ONE can be unhealthy. I probably should have led with that. lol. i, myself, am working towards gaining more weight in my body to become what i feel like is a healthy weight where I feel proportionate and i can teach my pole aerobics classes and have the muscle tone and the fat on my body to be able to reach my goals!
and once again, i appreciate your honesty on the matter! I honestly have not come across a lot of wam i DONT like. there have only been a few here and there that i do not enjoy because of a body type and it was either EXTREME over weight or EXTREME skinny, in my eyes.....i guess we all have our own ways of seeing the world and the people around us and that is okay! I am not disagreeing with you that you like what you like. there are some things you said i do not agree with but, hey! that is what makes murica great! we all dont HAVE to agree 
There isn’t a mess I don’t love!
Estragon said:
Oh, get off your cross.
Noone said: I don't find fat women attractive in any context. I don't dislike them as people or think they should be skinnier, everyone can do what they want, I just don't find it attractive. I'm sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't be into me too, so I refuse to be made to feel guilty about it.
Oh, get off your cross.
What is wrong with respectfully stating a sexual preference? How is that is any way offensive? Maybe you should get off YOUR cross. I agree as well for the record - slim is beautiful. To ME. That OK with you?
zozotown said:
What is wrong with respectfully stating a sexual preference? How is that is any way offensive? Maybe you should get off YOUR cross. I agree as well for the record - slim is beautiful. To ME. That OK with you?
Estragon said:
Oh, get off your cross.
Noone said: I don't find fat women attractive in any context. I don't dislike them as people or think they should be skinnier, everyone can do what they want, I just don't find it attractive. I'm sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't be into me too, so I refuse to be made to feel guilty about it.
Oh, get off your cross.
What is wrong with respectfully stating a sexual preference? How is that is any way offensive? Maybe you should get off YOUR cross. I agree as well for the record - slim is beautiful. To ME. That OK with you?
And literally NO ONE has said that either of you should feel guilty about that preference or that such a preference is not okay. Meanwhile, BOTH of you have insisted that despite that you are being persecuted for simply having a preference. That was my point.
Ron Paul 1812
For me, there are a number of variables that come into play, regardless of body type - outfits, substances used, hair, skin tone, facial features and scenario all play a big role in whether or not I'll buy a scene. What you're calling "plus-sized" also varies quite a bit. I like skinny girls. I like what I call "Hollywood plus-sized" girls who are curvier than the skinny ones. I like some girls that carry a bit of fat. I'm not into the whole "BBW" thing particularly though.
I get being concerned about whether or not your product is going to sell but ultimately, I'd say just make and sell what you want. Even if a certain model doesn't sell to some of your regulars, you can pick up new fans. Or, you could use the sales data to decide the kinds of people you shoot with in future. Ultimately though, they're your videos, so it's up to you to decide who you want to work with.
(Oh, and regardless of which way it's being done, body shaming is fucking gross.)
I get being concerned about whether or not your product is going to sell but ultimately, I'd say just make and sell what you want. Even if a certain model doesn't sell to some of your regulars, you can pick up new fans. Or, you could use the sales data to decide the kinds of people you shoot with in future. Ultimately though, they're your videos, so it's up to you to decide who you want to work with.
(Oh, and regardless of which way it's being done, body shaming is fucking gross.)
All flesh is equal when gunged.
Myds said:
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
Texas bbw lover2 said: So, y'all can probably tell that I'm biased due to my screen name, but what the hell, here's my two cents. I like models from curvy, all the way up to fat. And sometimes I come across a skinnier model who pushes my button as well.
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
zozotown said:
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
Myds said:
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
Texas bbw lover2 said: So, y'all can probably tell that I'm biased due to my screen name, but what the hell, here's my two cents. I like models from curvy, all the way up to fat. And sometimes I come across a skinnier model who pushes my button as well.
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
No, boring is listening to you whine on about how you should be able to play doctor and make assumptions about things like BMI when you haven't even measured someone's BMI and generally nattering on like some pedantic 19 year old who can't get laid.
Ron Paul 1812
Man, this lighthearted banter is my JAM!
I appreciate OP putting the question to the masses. It is 100% a matter of personal preference (aka, It depends), so I think it would all depend on the model for me. Like many have posted or are definitely thinking, I think London Andrews is absolutely gorgeous. Most other models of a similar size don't really do it for me. That's just me, though. It shouldn't affect anyone else, other than the fact that I likely won't be spending my money on scenes with plus-sized models. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage anyone else from buying or producing scenes with models of all shapes, sizes, and appearances.
That said, I really like the material that Pie Zone produces, so if a bigger girl was super charismatic and seemed to have a lot of fun in the scene, I'm in!
I appreciate OP putting the question to the masses. It is 100% a matter of personal preference (aka, It depends), so I think it would all depend on the model for me. Like many have posted or are definitely thinking, I think London Andrews is absolutely gorgeous. Most other models of a similar size don't really do it for me. That's just me, though. It shouldn't affect anyone else, other than the fact that I likely won't be spending my money on scenes with plus-sized models. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage anyone else from buying or producing scenes with models of all shapes, sizes, and appearances.
That said, I really like the material that Pie Zone produces, so if a bigger girl was super charismatic and seemed to have a lot of fun in the scene, I'm in!
Estragon said:
No, boring is listening to you whine on about how you should be able to play doctor and make assumptions about things like BMI when you haven't even measured someone's BMI and generally nattering on like some pedantic 19 year old who can't get laid.
zozotown said:
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
Myds said:
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
Texas bbw lover2 said: So, y'all can probably tell that I'm biased due to my screen name, but what the hell, here's my two cents. I like models from curvy, all the way up to fat. And sometimes I come across a skinnier model who pushes my button as well.
I agree 100%. For me, the example of that skinny model is Jessica from GooeyGirls UK. I hope they don't mind me reposting a single pic here. She's the one in the middle. Total stunner.
See? We had a lovely exchange. We didn't call anyone OBESE or ANOREXIC. We didn't decide who's healthy without a medical license, or talk about who "doesn't care about themselves" or "needs to eat more."
We can behave like civilized humans. It's possible. And we can make the thread better with an awesome pic!
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
No, boring is listening to you whine on about how you should be able to play doctor and make assumptions about things like BMI when you haven't even measured someone's BMI and generally nattering on like some pedantic 19 year old who can't get laid.
OK, you win. I've been outflanked. I retire from the fray, chastised and bested. Now if you'll excuse me...I have to return some videotapes.
gardnjs said: Man, this lighthearted banter is my JAM!
HAHAHAHAHA! im dying laughing. i swear i talk just like that!! lol XD EVERYTHING is my JAM!! hahah
....it IS getting a little stuffy in here, isnt it?? i agree, london aka vicky is someone on here who is a curvier chick and who i have had a total wam crush on! there are a few other girls who have modeled that i totally crushed on with super curvacious bodies but they were one and done types.
i dont think there is a mess that vicky aka london could get in, that i wouldnt love!!There isn’t a mess I don’t love!
zozotown said:
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
If someone is obese, what's wrong with "calling" them obese? it relates to a body mass index threshold, perfectly well-accepted in the medical literature. A bit like "calling" someone 183 cm tall, "183 cm tall". A statement of fact, not a value judgment. So park your virtue signalling, white knight shtick for the day, it's BORING.
I don't care that you think I'm boring. You're definitely not my type.
Here's what's wrong with that: the mdiecal profession has realized that that whole system is wrong, or at best, of limited use. It certainly can't determine one's health:
http://healthland.time.com/2013/08/26/why-bmi-isnt-the-best-measure-for-weight-or-health/
At best, it's another antiquated way of classifying people so they can be discrimianted against.
I could jsut as easily ask you to stop your "bigotry signalling," because defending a right to act in a discriminatory manner is boring as heck.
Well, we all learned we can't have a discussion about what we find attractive on UMD (at least with regards to females). Either we feel guilted/shamed for our preference having to go into some debate about it, or empowered about our BMI doctorates etc.
Jesus, just stop. If that's not enough, here's a picture of my stretch marks to kill the thread.
Jesus, just stop. If that's not enough, here's a picture of my stretch marks to kill the thread.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
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Potatoman-J said: Well, we all learned we can't have a discussion about what we find attractive on UMD (at least with regards to females). Either we feel guilted/shamed for our preference having to go into some debate about it, or empowered about our BMI doctorates etc.
Jesus, just stop. If that's not enough, here's a picture of my stretch marks to kill the thread.
Jesus, just stop. If that's not enough, here's a picture of my stretch marks to kill the thread.
No one is being guilted or shamed for preferences; that's a false narrative because some people love to feel like victims. I was just saying we could treat others more kindly.
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