BUT if a WAM producer went to all the effort to reproduce this scene moment by moment and didn't think to replace the men with women, they would deserve to lose their shirt. Most people on this site are men looking to see women messy, so you have to cater that.

For me its the end of Beethovens 2nd where the character Regina is wearing a red rain type coat and falls into a pool of wet mud. (sorry device i'm using doesn't allow me to take screen shots)

There is no reason at all people can't mention 101 Dalmatians.
1. It's not a kids film, it's a family film. This applies to most Disney movies.
2. It doesn't have any kids in it.

It's also perfectly fine to mention, as refences to things that may have influenced our own development, YCDTOTV, Going Live, TISWAS, etc. People shouldn't give detailed, "wam-story style", descriptions of specific events or appearances - nothing that would "signpost" specific things to search for, and absolutely no links to kid-centric material (which is why a certain annual awards ceremony is banned here), but it is OK to mention that in our youth we remember becoming aware of our developing tastes while watching those shows.

The rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to avoid situations where UMD is sending either link or search traffic to content intended for, or featuring, children.

*Family* movies (as long as they don't have kids in them) are fine. Disney's movies can be enjoyed by children as they have U certificates, but they aren't made specifically for children, lots of adults watch them too and not just as parents - Disney animation is among the best in the world to plenty of serious movie fans watch them as cinematic art, for example.

Mostlty the "Made for kids" thing will apply to TV shows, where there's a long-established tradition that stuff shown from 4pm - 6pm on weekdays, or 9am - 12pm on Saturdays, is specifically made for kids, and nowadays there are dedicated kids TV channels. That content shouldn't be described in detail or linked to from here, but even then it can be mentioned in passing.

There's a big difference between "I remember first becoming aware of my fetish seeing girl bands getting slimed on SuperKidSaturdaySplat" (which would be OK) and "I vividly remember seeing Bella McPooch of the GungeGungeGirls on SuperKidSaturdaySplat getting pelted with 50 pies and then six gallons of slime poured on her - they deliberately poured a full bucket inside her leotard and you could see it flowing over her bits as it went down - I got a massive erection there and then!" (which would not).

Disclaimer: Show, celebrity, and band name, in the paragraph above are fictional. Any resemblemnces to real people, bands, or shows, living, dead, or undead, are purely coincidental.

I've only recently begun taking note of when I see messy stuff in mainstream media. I recently went to a showing of blazing saddles at a cinema and was quite amused by the messy scene near the end.

I think the question is: "Why do people rate that scene so highly when they'd hate it coming from a WAM producer?"

I can suggest a few answers, but this will vary from person to person.

a) Nostalgia goggles. As a non-WAM analogy, the Honest Trailer for the original Superman film (1978) points out that there are no fight scenes in the entire film. That's something I never noticed when I watched it as a kid, but even now my reaction is still "Shut up, it's great".

b) Rarity value. This is linked to nostalgia: nowadays, I can stream/download videos that are full of mess, but back in the day it would be a rare treat to see someone get pied, relying on TV/films. In that context, seeing the lead actress get covered from head to toe would definitely be memorable.

c) More than the mess. If I pay £10 for a WAM video and I don't like the messy aspects, I feel like I've wasted my money. On the other hand, if I pay £10 to watch a film at the cinema and then someone gets pied, it's a nice bonus; hopefully I'd still enjoy the film even without that scene.

d) Production values. E.g. with "The Great Race", I can believe that I'm actually looking at a room in a castle. Similarly with the Three Stooges video that was posted above, I can believe that this is a dinner party in a posh house. Looking at WAM producers, I think that MostWAM's restaurant set could plausibly be seen as a real restaurant, but it's still not at this level. (That's not a criticism, because I'm sure it would be absurdly expensive to set up a location like this and shoot from multiple angles.)

e) Overall plot. I think there are lots of people here who wouldn't be interested in watching a WAM scene where most of the performers are male, but would be quite happy to watch an action/comedy film where most of the characters are male (e.g. lots of the MCU films). In that context, if the film has a messy scene then I don't think the audience will object to the men being in it, because it "makes sense" for them to be there. The audience will just focus on the positive aspect, i.e. the woman getting messy.

Combining those ideas, imagine a version of "Ghostbusters" (1984) where Sigourney Weaver had also been covered in foam at the end of the film, rather than a tiny smear in her hair: I'm sure that people would still be talking about that today, even though it would be one woman and a bunch of dudes.

Having said all that, I'm not a particular fan of "The Great Race". I don't hate it, but I don't treasure it either.

Agree with you about the great race, 100%

Going on a completely different tack, Alien Resurrection.

Winona Ryder gets soaked and swims underwater wearing a boilersuit, and Sigourney Weaver has a fairly epic scene where she's dressed in leather trousers and writhing, sensually, in alien slime.

I think plausibility is an attraction to mainstream content.

Produced wam content is totally implausible, long lingering shots, not a drop of mess wasted, and then suddenly naked for some reason. Ticks every box for a fetish video, but totally unrealistic of course.

I think the "realism" of a mainstream setup is what piques the interest, and keeps people talking about classic scenes and new finds!

That's easy. The rain scene from Emmanuelle 4

Just FYI there's a beautiful HD version of this short - a MGM 1930s tribute to the Keystone films, featuring many of their performers - on the recent Warner Archive blu-ray of Libeled Lady.

For me, it was Natalie Wood getting all those pies in "The Great Race" and Stella Stevens falling in that mud puddle in "The Silencers."

I was about 11 or 12 when I saw those movies on television and knew I was hooked forever. And I didn't even know there was a term called WAM!

Being careful I'm not showing early influences this one being mainly for adults this one struck out the most
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DsvrCq5GvnI

Phoebe Cates coming up out of the pool in Fast Times At Ridgemont High is the one that comes to mind as being my favorite.

Kathleen Turner thrown into some mud in The Man With Two Brains was a good one for me, and I'm not usually a mud fan - though I remember there being a discussion somewhere (probably here) as to whether or not it was a stunt double.

No-one seems to have mentioned the food fight in "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe". Lovely film anyway, and the food fight is just a real bonus! Theres some nice semiclothed bathing in clingy slips earlier on too, which I'd forgotten about until i watched it again recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmC-jHIqABM

There are for sure still a lot of "unknown" WAM-movie-scenes.
Just think about of all the tv-movies that are just made for one country or just in one language
and never synchronized to others and therefor never getting that popular.
And there can be incidents in every genre: From comedy to horror, from action
to romance and from historical films to sci-fi.


My favourit WAM = "wet AND messy" scene from fictional tv is not from a movie, it's from
the series "Cybill": The food fight scence of Cybill Sheperd vs Morgan Fairchild
formal oufits messed with food, a pie in the face and some wetlook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0JXI4wGgQ


And as a "more wet then messy"-fan I have to enumerate the following still unmentioned movies
for this thread:

- "River of no return": Marilyn Monroe in a wet jeans fans "must see"-movie
- "Anaconda" Jennifer Lopez swamp/river wading and siwmming (but just good if you have no snake-phobia!)
Nothing to post here but worth to watch the whole films if you can - both of this movies with not just one, but many/long wetlook scenes!

- "Barb Wire": The legendary opening scene with a topless Pamela Anderson hosed down on the swing.
a link to this scene (+ a tribute-scene) I just posted on a thread at the other forum

One of my first early WAM memories

I remember a WAM moment I liked in film and the movie was called Sex and Lucia. Their was a scene when Lucia was about to go skinny dipping in the ocean and her ex boyfriend Carlos was in a mud area close to the shore of the beach, and he was completely covered. He then invites Lucia to join him and he spreads the mud all over her naked body it was so hot.

Also the scene where Cruella gets baked into a cake in the second film, I'll say the scene is probably inspired by the 19th century German children's book Max and Moritz where two main characters got baked into bread when they're sneaking into the bakery by going to the chimney, but I won't show pictures of it since the main characters in the book are kids.

I'm amazed no-one has mentioned this clip!

For me it's the Birthday Party scene in the 1982 film 'Summer Lovers' starring Peter Gallagher, Daryl Hannah and the late Valérie Quennessen, when Michael (Gallagher) and Cathy (Hannah) have a party for Lina (Quennessen) when they all get covered in olive oil, champagne and cake!

(Having a thing for wet and messy jeans I always remember this scene where they get messy wearing tight 80s denim!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JrbT5X59wA

The scene in the womens club where the actress crawls across a table of cakes and other food stuff and drops her chest into a cream cake at the end. Amazing scene

always the great race

honorable mention mira sorvino lulu on the bridge
yes giorgio
sid ceaser in grease

"The Great Race" strikes a cord with many of us because it was a major star (Natalie Wood) wearing a sexy outfit. There wasn't much pie throwing in early 60s films - "too old fashioned" - and what we did see (on Saturday morning TV like Stooges) was women wearing boring clothes.

I keep hoping someday someone finds Great Race pie fight outtakes in the Warner Brothers vault. Books about the lead actors say Lemmon, Curtis and Edwards gave Wood a hard time in general during the filming. I can't imagine they went easy on her during the pie fight.

I've always admired the actor delivering the "lion fight" speech in "Sweet Pie and Pie." Can't have been too many retakes. Better pies-in-women-faces are the young blonde durng that sequence, who later says "Someone give me a pie."

In the 1963 film "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world" slapstick classic super-shaply Edie Adams comes so close to getting really messy. The scene in the basement of the hardware was hysterical. Alas nothing really was written for her or she wanted no part of getting messy. But the imagination can take over.

It's the big pie fight in the remake of "War and Peace" that starred Scarlet Johannsen, Jennifer Lopez and Margot Robbie.

Don't forget the Three Stooges.

I think you mean the movie "Village of the Giants", not the tv series "Land of the Giants" because as far as I know the footage of the long lost mud and quicksand scene from Land of the Giants has never been found and restored to any of the more recent DVD releases of that series. From what I gather Irwin Allen deleted that scene from the show, but it was definitely staged and shot for the last episode (The Graveyard of Fools) and had Deanna Lund and Kurt Kazner in deep mud.

From various interviews Deanna Lund gave in later years about that scene she recalled how Kurt Kazner was inebriated on the set and had wandering hands under the mud and he kept goosing her, causing her to break character so they had to do several re-takes of that scene. According to Deanna Lund she was not happy with Kurt Kazner's behavior and she said at one point she angrily shouted at shouted at the director, yelling "who do I have to sleep with to get off this show". I can only guess that Irwin Allen decided to discard the footage because Kazner ruined the scene and kept causing Deanna Lund to break character,

You are correct, and I mistyped. It was indeed Village, not Land. It was a low-budget thing, but that scene was ingrained in me. "Land" was the Irwin Allen series! - not very WAMmy over all.

bah, I can't find a clip for, albeit obvious reasons, but the Catholic High School Girls In Trouble clip from Kentucky Fried Movie had a pie to the ass which my absolutely dominated my mind and made me start looking this stuff up (outside of the usual suspects ,ycdtotv, wwyd, etc)

Whoever compiled all of these in high quality is a hero and a saint.