We've had a couple of interesting threads lately about the divisions in WAM between those who enjoy the actual sensation of foodstuffs, and lovely happy foodplay in a consensual context..

and those who prefer there to be an instigator and a 'victim' to be humiliated and embarrassed. Words like 'humiliation' 'trashed' 'destroyed' etc seem to be trigger words for those who have this variant of wam fetish, and there seems to be a strong preference for a role play or context

I think it was Messmaster who posited that this sort of WAM is not a fetish in itself but an action in the service of the broader themed fetish of enjoyment of humiliation and embarrassment (either to self or others).

So for those of us who enjoy this type of wam I wondered what other fetishes you thought went well with it and also served that master fetish.

I had a think to see what I could come up with. Some of these I love, some I like, and some I don't..but I can see the connection with them all.

Any thoughts or other connections that I have missed. Or do you only like humiliation/embarrassment/loss of dignity when done through WAM

(I have started a poll but I don't think you can do a poll where multiple options can be chosen so it will just have to be favourite linked fetish)


CFNF / CFNM
Embarrassed nude female
Spanking
Enforced watersports
clothes ripping
Bondage
Bukkake


Not sure where the soapbox has gone so here is a random pic to ensure I am on topic

I thinks it's near on impossible to cover all the extra"s.
The victim being restrained slightly added with some verbal humiliation.. telling the poor victim what they are planning on adds a more pretend fear. The old shall I. ..or not...only for the inevitable to happen...the poor victim should really beg to be let off.

That's my thoughts

I don't enjoy humiliation in the sense of real discomfort/terror like you see in some scenes, but I do like some role-playing and story in a scene and I've mentioned before that a surprised or shocked reaction goes a long way in selling the fantasy (and your work looks pretty hot to me, so I guess we must be somewhat on the same page). Anyway I love clothes ripping/destruction--I won't turn down nude wam, but I'm a lot more excited by a nice outfit or sexy underwear getting trashed along the way. If I could vote more than once I'd add spanking and a certain amount of (light) bondage. Watersports and bukkake don't interest me at all.

Enjoy all sorts of mess/wam/mud as a tactile experience but I also like seeing, or being humiliated, whilst indulging Best of both worlds?!!!

I like the humiliation factor in messy.
But my taste is for something extremely subtle.
I do not like violence and stuff.
For me, a extremente humiliating thing is when two people are participating in a pie in the face of competition and a people can never settle the question.
He has ten clashes with the other person and the ten Sometimes he takes a pie in the face.
You see the person tries, the person does everything to get it right and wrong at the end.
And you can see in his face the frustration for having wrong again.
You see that the person is trying hard to pretend that this is fun, but no matter how much she tries, the smile does not appear.
Another interesting thing is when a person takes part in a game in which the other person can hit pie in it, but he can not throw the pie in someone else.
I remember a TV show in which one had to answer questions about someone from his family, and whenever he made a mistake, the family of the person could throw a pie in it.
And one of the family was very amused when playing the pie, even more knowing that at any moment she was going to take pie in the face, just throw
Also I think it's very humiliating when one is cheated and take pie in the face.
As you can see, that my fetish is nothing spanking, hurt, name-calling.
Only a person who wants to have fun or run, but it makes fun of others.

One exemple.
I dont know if this video is real or staged.
Buy always is the same girls who take the pie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4zu0eIDug

Catfighting, especially the clothes ripping part.

I also like bondage to a small extent. The problem with combining bondage and WAM is that doesn't allow the girl to clean her eyes. Open eyes on a faceful of pie is where its at!

You can pie the girl and clean her eyes with your hand.

There's definitely a lot of aspects that can go with humiliation, and I must confess that although I am primarily a fan of the innocent consensual sensation food play in terms of my actual fetish activity, I do find almost all of the sub-fetishes on your list somewhat sexy, in a sort of "sexperimentational" way.... all of them are appealing in concept and I would happily give them a try either as the master or the victim with a likeminded other.

Most appealing to me would be the clothes ripping, bondage and spanking from your list, but you missed a few more. You could have had crushing (pretending that the item being crushed is of value to the victim), masturbation instruction, orgasm denial, enforced cross dressing (those listed so far are usually with a male victim), hair cutting, enforced masturbation (usually using a combination of vibrator or sybian with bondage), incontinence, clowning, costume play (especially in an out of context environment); the list goes on.

The *great* thing about combining bondage and wam is that it doesn't allow the girl to clean her eyes.

The other good thing is that the "victim" can't get away from the wamming or do anything to stop it!

I love bondage & wamming!

Norman

I like it to be similar to the "comeuppance" scene in a 80's or 90's teen movie, something along the line of "mean girls." Whether the "mean" girl is winning with the WAM or losing, it's still a good time.

Wow..so no-one likes spanking. I really thought there was a clear corellation but I guess it's just me and 3 others.

Bondage on 35 surprises me too. Edward 73 has clearly started a trend

Glad to see clothes ripping in second

I remember seeing the messy part of this set! She is a cutie, and she was so shocked as she was getting pied!

Thanks for the other pics of her!

Norman

Make that *4* others!

I love spanking, but I like bondage even better and we could only vote for one. But spanking definitely correlates with bondage for me!

Butt (see what I did there?) I forgot to mention spanking in my post!

Norman

I love the humiliation aspect. I love being the victim that everyone stares,laughs and gasps at. That said I don't see anything on your poll list that I can "thumbs up". Public humiliation of any kind is fun. So is JOI and CEI videos, preferably with 2 girls working together.

Spanking is great...by far my second favorite.

The loss of control brought about by the bondage variant of wam is what makes this so popular, for those of us that have engaged in a bit of wam rather than just watching others, photos or video. The loss of control whilst someone else administers the mess is the ultimate improvement on a self wam.
I would have expected the CFNM, CFNF or even CMNM to be more popular as a wam variant as depicted by several producers.

I'm definitely an oddball when it comes to my specific interests.

I do very much like humiliation Comedy wam (she gets an unexpected pie in the face and reacts with surprise and indignation while onlookers laugh and we hear the "wAh wah" sound effect).

I don't like humiliation that isn't presented as comedy (she gets hit with foodstuffs and bullied until she's crying).

I don't like verbal humiliation, as that just tends to be bullying.

I love silly/sexy costumes and girls who wear them acting just a bit self conscious about it (blushing vulnerability is very attractive).

I absolutely hate nudity. Yes, I know I'm very weird.

I like "accidental" clothes ripping to reveal underwear when she acts embarrassed about it.

I don't mind light rope play if it's got a Snidely Whiplash vibe to it, but bondage isn't really my thing.

I hate bukkake, watersports, or any other human emissions.

I don't really care for spanking, but would use a slapstick.


So, I pretty much get everything I'm looking for from classic slapstick or old clown skits, except they tend to be in black and white, and I'd prefer something with a fresher cast.

If I'm not the only one here who's a mix between a fetishist and a boy scout (see? rope play) I'd like to hear about it.

I would not say I hate nudity. But otherwise your preferences match up very well with my own. Would love to see a remake of classic pie scenes from the stooges for example. Unfortunately I think we are both increasingly rare within the modern WAM scene.

I really like WAM as a form of punishment / humiliation, and I enjoy watching scenes where the girl doesn't appear to enjoy it.
As I like the punishment / humiliation aspect, I also believe that the girl should be kept in bondage so they can't avoid the gunge, nor can they protect their modesty if it is taken. I'm a big fan of girls being stripped naked prior to being coated with thick sticky slime and just to make it the ultimate torture the slime should be chilled.

My favourite 3 videos are all what I call Torture WAM:
1) Penny's schoolgirl bondage humiliation (2 part)
2) Lorna's Schoolgirl Bondage humiliation("")
3) Lane's Messy Foot Bondage

As well as mixing bondage & WAM, I've also got a foot fetish, and I love seeing gunge poured on a girl's bare feet.

I also like the idea of girls being treated liked "sex slaves" (in the sense of "The Training of O, but on the psychological side of them willingly submitting rather than the corporal punishment side). I therefore also like messy blow-jobs.

Just to explain my idea: give a look at the girl in pic...tightly tied up, effectively and well gagged and nipples clamped...

...in addiction to this, pour over her vulnerable body, starting from head to toe, all sorts of mess you can imagone...starting with cold milk, liquid chocolate, custard, molasses and so on....at the end, she gets enough pies to make her completely beyond recognization...this sounds good for you,my friends?


http://i64.tinypic.com/noavm8.jpg

I don't like bondage at all. Yet, I sometimes thumb up very mild bondage pictures because often the bondage scenes have the best pies to the face.

Ball-gag-in-mouth, nipple rings, etc = total turnoff for me

I'll throw my hat in with you guys, only for me it's not so much the sexy/silly costumes (though I do like those) as much as it is business or evening wear. I love the contrast of smartly dressed women allowing themselves to get pied and slimed. That willingness is key for me and very specific, much like Rogerio. It's better if she's not totally disgusted but certainly not happy about it but grudgingly allows it to take place anyway. Kind of like most of the newer girls from the later episodes of Top Gunge. CLEARLY not at all enjoying that gunge but sitting there anyway. If most of those newer girls didn't tend to put their faces down and lean forward so the gunge hits the back of their head and neck they'd have made some of my favorite scenes based on scenario and reaction. But hey, still some of the best produced stuff out there.

Damn! You must have some sort of telepathic connection with me!
You checked off every box on my checklist!

I guess what annoys me about big lamestream media:
the classic black-leather bondage get-up is like THE ONLY fetish ever mentioned. Always as the "punchline" of a comedy movie or tv show.
If it's a horror show, then as the "sick twisted villain".
Either way, I'd think that constant unoriginal incorporation of the S&M or BDSM world into the plot of a movie would enrage the S&M/BDSM/black leather bondage people. Funny - I am not into bondage, yet it bothers ME that the bondage fetish is constantly portrayed these two ways only.

I guess that's why those of us with sexual fetishes OTHER than that bondage stuff get so vocal in forums like this: because we feel so marginalized.

And, NO: I 100% agree with "the legal right of filmmakers to ...etc etc"
I hate to launch a 30-page analysis of the word "rights", because I'd have to go into defining: give me an observable testable falsifiable operational definition of what the word "rights" (moral or legal) means, just like any concept in science or math. I have an answer to my question, but not here and now.

Anywho, so, I - non-thong panty-lover and pie-in-the-face fetishist - wouldn't mind mention of OUR fetish in mainstream media once in awhile, whenever media refers to sex. Or, maybe not: I kind of agree with other pie-face fetishists that I'd prefer people NOT know about it. But, that's the thing: IDEALLY one could cover up one's particular fetish entirely from the part of the world that does not get it.

But, what if one can't? Probability, statistics will dictate that eventually in some singular instance, the news will come out. Most often, nothing comes of it.
Still, even though I've experienced the mildest negative reactions humanly possible: "Huh? What's that? That's weird and silly. You're a weenie boy."
(not my words), the fact that a minority of the handful of people who know my fetish reacted this way, as though "pie in the face in underwear" is not an "officially approved / sanctioned" fetish is what could ALWAYS later, in some situation, be a trigger for some much bigger serious scandal where someone tries to use the "he/she's got a sick twisted pie-face" fetish against them.

So, there IS a benefit to being "loud and proud".
So, gay people fight to be heard so that a gay couple marrying and falling in love and having sex is normalized - i.e. is just the background scenery in a story or in real life and is NOT made the primary issue of a story, just like straight couples marrying and falling in love and having sex are background scenery.

But that doesn't solve the problem for people who like bondage.
So, the bondage S&M and BDSM people do the same. Get heard and seen to be normalized in life and in stories. So, their love of bondage is not singled out and isolated as the point of some story or in real life.

King of the Hill and Family Guy have had episodes devoted to foot fetishists.
Bob's Burgers has made reference to characters with the bondage fetish.
B'sBs had an episode in Season 4 devoted to swinging and balloon fetish.

Certainly, mud wrestling has made the rounds in mainstream movies and tv shows many, many times. Throughout my life I've used mud wrestling as a cover for my main love: pies in the face in plain underwear. e.g. when I told family I was going to Florida to see a fetish shoot, I told them it was mud wrestling. Which does turn me on, too.

Sigh: and, no: there is no logical reason to be "proud" nor ashamed to be gay or straight or have a bondage or pie fetish or atheist. It's not an accomplishment. It's something we were born with.

Great post! Seriously though, what does 'weenie boy' mean?

I dunno. My mentally inferior brother uses it to describe me whenever I enjoy something he does not enjoy: a movie, type of fetish, choosing not to look for shitty non-existent jobs the way he thinks I should.

I know exactly what you mean!