Hey all

Just wondering has anyone ever re-done WAM scenes like from tv and films?

It would be an ultimate dream come to see the Molasses scene from 101 Dalmatians, to me there is no other that has ever had so much good 'coverage' and getting dunked fullbody into a vat.
God only knows there a many actresses as well as women I would love to see this happen to!:devil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te2yYAQGoxk

Well, Rich has done Star Wars and Pulp Fiction, and he did 1500 ROCKY scenes...

Yes and based on the 3-5 sales per download I currently get... I'm sure I can afford to drop $10,000 to recreate this particular scene. :-S

Toldja you should've diversified into mud wrestling!*








* This taunt is based entirely on my own selfish needs, not upon any sound economic evidence or reasoning.

Yes and based on the 3-5 sales per download I currently get... I'm sure I can afford to drop $10,000 to recreate this particular scene.


For real or is this not, SStuff?

For real or not, SStuff?

What is it about this place lately?

I was wondering that.

I always wished someone would do an exact remake of the "Three's Company" pie fight.

Replace the male roles (Jack, Mr. Roper, Mr. Hoffmeyer, Dean Travers) from the original with women but keep the dialogue and scenario the same. Same set up and staging and once the original staging is done being reenacted then it can segue into the bloopers footage that is on You Tube.

This would be classic.

Naturally, all pies would have to be chocolate mouse pies and each actress would have to be wearing the best clothes - suits, dresses, skirts, blouses and heels.

How many mice do you use for a pie?

Every time I try to rein in the stupidity, I get slapped by the powers that be...

It's like, my cheap joke about some weather bimbo's spray-on tan turns into a snipe hunt, AND I WASN'T EVEN TRYING TO BE THAT KIND OF A DICK.

Sinking feeling I take it you mean is the 3-5 sales per download real?

All I can say is that may well be in the ballpark.

I used to have a notion that each clip a great producer makes would sell 100s, based on threads viewed by 1000s of people, where x no of people wrote what a great clip it was, & just the number of wammers in the world.

However before doing any filming I did a lot of research and found out from lots of producers it is MUCH much less than that, even for legends like Rich.

That's cool..we all go in with eyes open, do what we love, and hope there is enough of a market to mean, over a long period of time, we may make back the investment and not lose money (for me, I decided up front I could accept losing less on each clip than if I'd bought it as a custom)

That is why so many producers go with 1 girl scenes...less to lose if a scene doesn't 'take' with the market

I get the impression you were like me a few years ago, and can't believe a clip Rich makes could sell that little. But based on everything I have heard from other producers (& my own experience) I can, sadly, well believe it

btw I do trust you weren't seriously asking if Rich had the money to recreate the scene

Forgive me I did not know about the economics behind all this.

I was just wondering if it were really possible to actually do a scene like the the molasses one, I always felt it to be the ultimate WAM scene to do.

No worries. It's all good. It's a lovely dream to have. If you win the lottery, commision a custom

Or maybe not, surely what you need is a big round plastic round drum. like the pic below

then fill to the brim in sticky liquid

have a small scaffold with a plank over the huge plastic drum.

Then have a smart dressed model on the small scaffold before plunging into the liquid for a full body coating... :devil:

In my opinion (which is the only reason I bought certain clips and avoided others), it's the reaction that matters, rather than the authenticity of having an exact scale.
Take any comeuppance scene, where the (incredibly hot) big Villainess gloats, is mean and thinks she won, then she gets it and resorts to childish behavior, crying over her misfortune. other than that, you can keep substances and everything else the same. a hot girl, good acting.

What? I would have guessed you sold WAY more than that. In fact, even after reading what you just wrote I still find myself in disbelief and holding onto the idea that I have misread it or you wrote it wrong or something.

Still the funny part is, if you did re-create that scene, I'd give at least 50/50 odds that sinkingfeeling might not even get it. He seems pretty stuck on the specifics of that one scene and on Glen Close. I can easily see a, "gee I dunno. The model you used is wearing an off-white Cruella DeVille outfit, not at all plain white like from the movie. PASS"

I suspect that part of the low sales per new video is due to Rich's sheer volume of videos, too....he has so many, that would-be customers can pick and choose based upon the slightest details (what the models are wearing, how many models, types of pies, how much slime, etc.)...Rich has an "embarrassment of riches" so to speak...and the price paid is less revenue per video...also: his cost per download is not as cheap as it could be (as least for new ones)...add to this increased availability of material (competitive price and content)...and you get fewer sales.

I could be wrong with some of all of that, but I do believe it plays some role.

There is also a related factor: having so many videos means that Rich has less promotion time per video, where as, producers who have only a few videos, have more time to promote (routinely/regularly) those few videos -- keeping them in the public eye longer (posting here on the umd routinely)...even if that annoys the ones who have seen the pics already, there's always a good number who missed them previously, and newbies just discovering them...and also fence-sitters who maybe need a certain amount of pics to view, or comments from others, before they finally spend their hard-earned cash (I almost typed hard-on cash ) on a video (i.e., the video has stood the test of time/popularity).

Yeah, 3-5 downloads is NOT accurate. Even a bad seller gets more than that... Eventually. I was blowing off steam and I misrepresented my numbers. That said, to only get 3-5 sales over the first couple days for new scenes is... Disappointing.

As I mentioned in another thread, there's a LOT of saturation in the market (and has been for a couple years), and it's not just me. Most all producers I talk to have been really struggling with sales the last couple months. And now post views and responses are no guarantee, even for a name producer. The market is literally wide open to ANYONE. There's no difference between a guy who hits his wife with a few shaving cream pies in their shower and sells that video... Versus myself or Lenny or whoever spending north of $350 per scene to cover the cost of model fees and supplies. It all gets equal attention and equal promotion.

Anyway. The only way to stand out is to constantly promote... And that usually means constantly providing new content. I remember days not so long ago (SS42??) when I could release a new scene and it would STILL be selling well a month in. Nowadays it's more like 3-4 days before sales die off.

It is what it is, and sometimes a model hits big (Angie!) and that makes up for a lot of underselling clips. But on the flipside, all these people who talk about how Bree (for instance) is their favorite model and they love her reactions and they can't wait for me to bring her back... Well, unless you financially back that up by buying the scenes (and mind-meld to get others to do the same), I can't justify bringing her back if sales aren't there.

Which is a roundabout way of telling the OP that now's not really the best time for a producer to spend an exorbitant amount of money trying to accurately recreate a very specific scene....

Yeah, the days of clips selling hundreds are probably gone. Maybe if you're a producer with one fantastic video, and you promote JUST that video for a year straight, but otherwise... I can count on one hand the number of HD edited clips that have sold north of 100 since the store opened. And those are actually priced cheap!

Sad but true, the formula for actual SALES vs. post views is roughly Views/200 = Sales. So for every 1000 people who check out the post... Maybe 5 of them buy. It doesn't help that there's enough free content on YouTube to ensure that one could probably watch 5 new YT clips a day and not run out for years. (Plus, most of YT is mainstream clips, amateurs, and the kiddie shows that many posters on here seem to prefer for content...)

At least I have a good catalog to fall back on. If I was starting out today, I probably wouldn't be in the black for years... And I doubt I would've made more than a couple vids before giving it up. (Or at least treating it like the occasional 'fun' thing I do twice a year, rather than spending 20-30 hours a week on the site & videos.)

Did some fur coat scene myself with my wife a few years ago. Not that complex as the dalmatiens scene, but also not expensive.

It was fun to do and with the prices of (fake) coats it can be doable i think.

Sorry But I don't see it, is it meant to be sarcasm?

If there is an actual link to what is similar to what I am looking for, canbyou please send me a link?

Given that all of Rich's clips are priced at $2,000 each, I can understand how it's so easy to miss the sarcasm in that remark, even after he carefully explained the joke in his subsequent post.

Admitted I am slow to understand what its about, where are these Rich's videos?

Rich and SStuff are the same person. If you look at the websites in his signature, they contain all his videos. This is a good place to start:
https://umd.net/go/slapstick_stuff

Oh Christ, I did not realize.

Awesome!! A wamenomics thread!

You can totally get in the black, just starting out, if you have hot girls and do customs. It don't hurt to be niche, either. For instance, I do humiliation story stuff, and there's not much out there, so I have a fairly loyal customer base. But you'll need the dam holy grail to sell hundreds of any particular video.

Model/pproducers have an easier time, no model fees. But even then, I doubt that they are making a killing.

As for the giant molasses vat, ...yeah. that's probably a non starter. But you never know. If you were able to film it your self, I am sure you could sell 3-5 videos....

Dear Lord, when I was first starting out... SS01 was only available at first on VHS. Five scenes total... None of them longer than 10 minutes, unedited. I think I charged $35. Sold like 20 or 30 in the first two weeks. In the black before shooting video #2!

Of course it's all relative to the size of the market and the amount of competition. Back in the 90s the community was already a pretty good size but there were probably less than a dozen producers total. Robby once told me the insane numbers of VHS copies he sold of his early videos (seriously... insane...) and I responded, "But back then it was like you, Neil, Phoebe, and some dinosaurs..."